Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(PsyPost)   Getting COVID-19 causes "a substantial drop in intelligence", meaning the anti-vax and conspiracy theorists are going to end up even dumber than they already are   (psypost.org) divider line
    More: Scary, Psychology, Cognition, Educational psychology, Reasoning, large scale, cognitive ability, greatest deficits, intelligence test  
•       •       •

1356 clicks; posted to STEM » on 25 Jul 2021 at 1:12 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



42 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2021-07-25 10:09:08 AM  
c.files.bbci.co.ukView Full Size


I didn't think it was possible, but now I'm pretty sure Trump is the first person to have a negative IQ score.  He's actually making other people stupider.
 
2021-07-25 11:26:57 AM  
I had COVEX in Joon end I feel smrt.
 
2021-07-25 11:56:42 AM  
This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?
 
2021-07-25 12:15:02 PM  

Cafe Threads: This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?


Well, they can still feed and wipe themselves presumably, for now.
 
2021-07-25 1:15:28 PM  
This explains the GOP's attitude on vaccines, The dumber the voter, the more likely to vote Republican.
 
2021-07-25 1:24:00 PM  

Cafe Threads: This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?


They consider that a challenge.
 
2021-07-25 1:26:43 PM  
It says people who have had Covid have lower intelligence than people who haven't... but the study doesn't seem to account for the obvious: that smart people were doing everything they could to avoid both getting and spreading this thing, and were vaccinating at first opportunity... so smart people are far less likely to get this thing in the first place.

They mention in particular that people who had Covid were doing worse on things like reasoning, problem solving, and long-term planning... but again, those are exactly the skills you use to not get infected in the first place, so how do they know it's the result of brain damage, and not simply that people who lack these skills in the first place aren't taking precautions.

They further mention that people on vents had the worst scores of all... but again, the people who took zero precautions were most likely to get a larger viral load that would have landed them on a vent in the first place.

At the very end, it tells you that out of 80,000 participants, less than 300 took the test both before and after, and they present no data specifically on those people, as the sample size is too small.

So yeah, they definitely proved reduced intelligence is correlated with having Covid... but not that the second actually caused the first.
 
2021-07-25 1:33:21 PM  

null: [c.files.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

I didn't think it was possible, but now I'm pretty sure Trump is the first person to have a negative IQ score.  He's actually making other people stupider.


He's like a black hole of stupidity. Intelligence just gets sucked up and crushed forever.
 
2021-07-25 1:36:58 PM  
You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.
 
2021-07-25 1:50:40 PM  

Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell.


Depends on the part of the country you live. Here in Southern Tennessee, you'd be hard pressed even find an eco-hippie. But there are plenty of anti-vaxxers, and almost all of them are Trump-supporters.
 
2021-07-25 1:51:31 PM  
 They were born stupid and will die stupid ..
 
2021-07-25 1:56:23 PM  

null: [c.files.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

I didn't think it was possible, but now I'm pretty sure Trump is the first person to have a negative IQ score.  He's actually making other people stupider.


Person , Woman , Man , Camera  , TV was a tell ..
 
2021-07-25 2:01:16 PM  

Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.


Is this English?
 
2021-07-25 2:02:21 PM  

Cafe Threads: This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?


It might be related to the 'long Covid' effects

Decreased oxygenation means less oxygen going to the brain.  But there's likely a point at which you don't actually realize it's happening, like people who don't know when they're drunk.
 
2021-07-25 2:13:18 PM  

FlippityFlap: Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.

Is this English?


No, this is Patrick.

/I didn't realize I had no commas in it. Typing on mobile, vertical, with hammer thumbs. Autocorrect is my savior.
 
2021-07-25 2:17:58 PM  

Oneiros: Cafe Threads: This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?

It might be related to the 'long Covid' effects

Decreased oxygenation means less oxygen going to the brain.  But there's likely a point at which you don't actually realize it's happening, like people who don't know when they're drunk.


Inflammation with long Covid almost certainly causes brainfog.

I have brainfog now from a fever. It suuuuucks.
 
2021-07-25 2:18:34 PM  

Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1, Missoula and Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what laws it makes in an already cranky society.


There. I fixed it. And, yeah, we had a real fruit loop write the Gazette about how the vaccine will cause cancer. No, but, it might cause reproductive harm, because that was never tested. The Moderna vaccine was, but it was truncated to get it out the door. I got that version, because at least they TRIED to be rigorous...
 
2021-07-25 2:26:05 PM  

trerro: It says people who have had Covid have lower intelligence than people who haven't... but the study doesn't seem to account for the obvious: that smart people were doing everything they could to avoid both getting and spreading this thing, and were vaccinating at first opportunity... so smart people are far less likely to get this thing in the first place.

They mention in particular that people who had Covid were doing worse on things like reasoning, problem solving, and long-term planning... but again, those are exactly the skills you use to not get infected in the first place, so how do they know it's the result of brain damage, and not simply that people who lack these skills in the first place aren't taking precautions.

They further mention that people on vents had the worst scores of all... but again, the people who took zero precautions were most likely to get a larger viral load that would have landed them on a vent in the first place.

At the very end, it tells you that out of 80,000 participants, less than 300 took the test both before and after, and they present no data specifically on those people, as the sample size is too small.

So yeah, they definitely proved reduced intelligence is correlated with having Covid... but not that the second actually caused the first.


To be fair though, it's hard to take an IQ test when you're on a ventilator. A lot of the questions require a verbal response, which you really can't get right with that thing in the way.
 
2021-07-25 2:27:00 PM  

rue_in_winter: Oneiros: Cafe Threads: This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?

It might be related to the 'long Covid' effects

Decreased oxygenation means less oxygen going to the brain.  But there's likely a point at which you don't actually realize it's happening, like people who don't know when they're drunk.

Inflammation with long Covid almost certainly causes brainfog.

I have brainfog now from a fever. It suuuuucks.


I got what was likely whooping cough last January.   The brain fog didn't clear til August.  Most other symptoms had cleared by February/March of this year, but I still have some lingering low oxygenation, and my pulse rate shoots up randomly

You have my sympathy.  It was not fun.

Couldn't even lay around and watch TV as I'd lose track of what was going on, and have to back it up.   It'd take me 2 hours to get through a 30 min episode

I finally gave up and put on PBS Kids and didn't even try to follow any of it.
 
2021-07-25 2:37:12 PM  
 
2021-07-25 2:40:54 PM  

Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-07-25 2:49:27 PM  
xkcd_causation.png

science_journalism_life_cycle.gif

Did I miss any?
 
2021-07-25 2:50:34 PM  

Jedekai: Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1, Missoula and Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what laws it makes in an already cranky society.

There. I fixed it. And, yeah, we had a real fruit loop write the Gazette about how the vaccine will cause cancer. No, but, it might cause reproductive harm, because that was never tested. The Moderna vaccine was, but it was truncated to get it out the door. I got that version, because at least they TRIED to be rigorous...


Your anecdote is noted.

Now round up the holdouts and stick 'em.
 
2021-07-25 3:03:08 PM  
Now we know why the GOP is anti-vax - they're counting on stupid people to vote for them.
 
2021-07-25 3:12:13 PM  

saywhat: Now we know why the GOP is anti-vax - they're counting on stupid people to vote for them.


Well, they depend on people getting riled up and donating to them.  Hopefully before they die, or see too many of their friends dying, because the pols can't possibly admit that they might've been wrong, because otherwise someone might ask if they were wrong about 'trickle down economics' or global warming, or any of the other things that they've been insisting for decades.

This might've worked out in their favor when there were reports that communities of color were hit harder with Covid than their base.... but now they've got to gerrymander and voter suppress their way into getting re-elected faster than their base is dying off
 
2021-07-25 3:15:36 PM  

saywhat: Now we know why the GOP is anti-vax - they're counting on stupid people to vote for them.


Plan will backfire because their voters will not be smart and alert enough to, you know, register to vote, remember to vote, operate the touch-screen machines, fill in the right ovals, remember the correct names of their candidates, or even get to the polling place (kind of hard when you're bedridden or have to lug around an oxygen concentrator or bottle everywhere).  Oh and don't forget the restrictions on early voting and voting by mail and drop boxes and so on.  So unless their plan is for massive voter fraud whereby other people vote in place of the feeble idiots (which, hey, they are dumb enough to try despite voter ID laws), they're only gonna screw themselves over.
 
2021-07-25 3:19:54 PM  

trerro: It says people who have had Covid have lower intelligence than people who haven't... but the study doesn't seem to account for the obvious: that smart people were doing everything they could to avoid both getting and spreading this thing, and were vaccinating at first opportunity... so smart people are far less likely to get this thing in the first place.

They mention in particular that people who had Covid were doing worse on things like reasoning, problem solving, and long-term planning... but again, those are exactly the skills you use to not get infected in the first place, so how do they know it's the result of brain damage, and not simply that people who lack these skills in the first place aren't taking precautions.

They further mention that people on vents had the worst scores of all... but again, the people who took zero precautions were most likely to get a larger viral load that would have landed them on a vent in the first place.

At the very end, it tells you that out of 80,000 participants, less than 300 took the test both before and after, and they present no data specifically on those people, as the sample size is too small.

So yeah, they definitely proved reduced intelligence is correlated with having Covid... but not that the second actually caused the first.


I wondered about the reverse correlation there too. Seems like dummies would get COVID a lot easier than not-so-dummies.
 
2021-07-25 3:23:07 PM  

Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.


Actually, my mom is super crunchy and there are a fair number of anti-vaxx in her orbit. There's even a lady who's a geologist and throws her credentials around when talking about it. It drives me nuts.

But.

This has become political. There are far more conservative anti-vaxx than liberal now. I don't think you could have said that before COVID.
 
2021-07-25 3:26:31 PM  

Winterlight: Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell.

Depends on the part of the country you live. Here in Southern Tennessee, you'd be hard pressed even find an eco-hippie. But there are plenty of anti-vaxxers, and almost all of them are Trump-supporters.


Haven't dealt with anti-vax stupidity.  But anti mask attitudes in Maryland were largely Trumper and black (presumably distrust of the medical establishment).  But don't ignore the odd Karen who suddenly decided that she didn't like her mask and personally changed the rules exempting herself.

Where I work seems to have plenty of younger types willing to keep wearing a mask to avoid wearing that "vaccinated" ID tag.  Not sure if I'd trust complicated electronics to types that into superstition.
 
2021-07-25 3:32:47 PM  

trerro: It says people who have had Covid have lower intelligence than people who haven't... but the study doesn't seem to account for the obvious: that smart people were doing everything they could to avoid both getting and spreading this thing, and were vaccinating at first opportunity... so smart people are far less likely to get this thing in the first place.

They mention in particular that people who had Covid were doing worse on things like reasoning, problem solving, and long-term planning... but again, those are exactly the skills you use to not get infected in the first place, so how do they know it's the result of brain damage, and not simply that people who lack these skills in the first place aren't taking precautions.

They further mention that people on vents had the worst scores of all... but again, the people who took zero precautions were most likely to get a larger viral load that would have landed them on a vent in the first place.

At the very end, it tells you that out of 80,000 participants, less than 300 took the test both before and after, and they present no data specifically on those people, as the sample size is too small.

So yeah, they definitely proved reduced intelligence is correlated with having Covid... but not that the second actually caused the first.


If anything, the causal relationship is the reverse: being stupid gets you COVID. And I think we can all see how true that is.
 
2021-07-25 3:48:20 PM  

Cafe Threads: This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?


never assume things can't get worse
 
2021-07-25 3:58:22 PM  

trerro: It says people who have had Covid have lower intelligence than people who haven't... but the study doesn't seem to account for the obvious: that smart people were doing everything they could to avoid both getting and spreading this thing, and were vaccinating at first opportunity... so smart people are far less likely to get this thing in the first place.


FTFA: After controlling for factors such as age, sex, handedness, first language, education level, and other variables, the researchers found that those who had contracted COVID-19 tended to underperform on the intelligence test compared to those who had not contracted the virus.

They're saying what they found is, when you do adjust for all other factors, they can show a correlation between the fact itself of someone having had a symptomatic COVID infection lowering the IQ a little afterwards. TFA goes on to explain that they believe they found that the more severe the case the more prominent the effect - likely due to damage from hypoxia and/or the infection itself. So Uncle Ralph the who barely survived his brush with the 'Vid might not think quite as clearly afterwards, for an as of yet unexplored length of time. (Forever? For a few weeks? Months? Years? Is this like the new leaded gasoline for our generations?)

Not wholly unexpected. COVID binds to ACE2 receptors when infecting a cell, and brain tissue is one of the tissues which have a lot of those. Along with lungs, heart, digestive tract, and some other stuff IIRC. So in essence this is just another small study saying COVID seems to affect the tissues rich in ACE2 receptors. It merits more follow-up and confirmation, but it's quite plausible.
 
2021-07-25 4:03:47 PM  

Cafe Threads: This is ridiculous. How in the hell could they be any dumber?


This data is from 2020, pre-vaccine, so it wasn't looking at anti-vaxxers vs vaccinated.

However, considering how many anti-vaxxers are catching in now...
 
2021-07-25 7:23:45 PM  
"it's just like the flu!"

and the flu can also cause brain damage

https://www.yahoo.com/news/flu-may-im​p​act-health-brain-193039234.html
 
2021-07-25 10:04:25 PM  
After controlling for factors such as age, sex, handedness, first language, education level, and other variables, the researchers found that those who had contracted COVID-19 tended to underperform on the intelligence test compared to those who had not contracted the virus. The greatest deficits were observed on tasks requiring reasoning, planning and problem solving, which is in line "with reports of long-COVID, where 'brain fog,' trouble concentrating and difficulty finding the correct words are common," the researchers said.

Lefty's.....dragging everyone down.
 
2021-07-25 10:08:37 PM  

mongbiohazard: Not wholly unexpected. COVID binds to ACE2 receptors when infecting a cell, and brain tissue is one of the tissues which have a lot of those. Along with lungs, heart, digestive tract, and some other stuff IIRC. So in essence this is just another small study saying COVID seems to affect the tissues rich in ACE2 receptors. It merits more follow-up and confirmation, but it's quite plausible.


The vaccines tend to help the immunity system kill off cells in the lungs when they get infected.  When those cells get taken out quickly the viral load to other organs goes way down.   What isn't known is how long the virus can hang out in other cells and still be active.  It seems to hang out in some gut bacteria but doesn't seem to have the ability to infect humans via that path (but it would sure increase mask usage if it was proven).

An issue that isn't well understood yet is can neurons hold the virus and what are the neurological long term effects with long haul covid and infections in immunized people.  Wearing a mask after getting the shots helps reduce those unknown factors a bunch.
 
2021-07-26 12:55:02 AM  

Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.


Your personal liberty ends when you threaten to kill me. The unvaxed are willing to use weapons of mass destruction to directly kill me. The SCROTUS ruled on this more than a century ago - mandatory vaccination, quarantine enforced at gunpoint, and pest houses are all constitutional and compatible with essential freedoms.
 
2021-07-26 12:55:27 AM  

FlippityFlap: Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.

Is this English?


It's Merkin
 
2021-07-26 6:29:53 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: Winterlight: Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell.

Depends on the part of the country you live. Here in Southern Tennessee, you'd be hard pressed even find an eco-hippie. But there are plenty of anti-vaxxers, and almost all of them are Trump-supporters.

Haven't dealt with anti-vax stupidity.  But anti mask attitudes in Maryland were largely Trumper and black (presumably distrust of the medical establishment).  But don't ignore the odd Karen who suddenly decided that she didn't like her mask and personally changed the rules exempting herself.

Where I work seems to have plenty of younger types willing to keep wearing a mask to avoid wearing that "vaccinated" ID tag.  Not sure if I'd trust complicated electronics to types that into superstition.


Anecdotally, black Marylanders seem to be the most adamant mask wearers now.  I've assumed it was due to the ferocity of the epidemic in black communities last year... like, I can count on one hand the number of people I personally know who have gotten it, and don't personally know anyone who died from it.  For black members of our communities, that's more likely to be untrue. On top of that, the municipalities with the largest black populations were the most reluctant to relax masking/distancing requirements (PG, Baltimore City); places like Harford were far more "Give me liberty (cough, cough)

/at least in this part, because this state is like 5 different states all jammed together in its bizarre borders.
//suburban DC and greater Baltimore surrounded by chunks of pseudo-Delaware, pseudo-Pennsylvania, and pseudo-West-Virginia
///if I see someone wearing two masks in the grocery store, they're almost always black
 
2021-07-26 12:07:06 PM  

trerro: It says people who have had Covid have lower intelligence than people who haven't... but the study doesn't seem to account for the obvious: that smart people were doing everything they could to avoid both getting and spreading this thing, and were vaccinating at first opportunity... so smart people are far less likely to get this thing in the first place.

They mention in particular that people who had Covid were doing worse on things like reasoning, problem solving, and long-term planning... but again, those are exactly the skills you use to not get infected in the first place, so how do they know it's the result of brain damage, and not simply that people who lack these skills in the first place aren't taking precautions.

They further mention that people on vents had the worst scores of all... but again, the people who took zero precautions were most likely to get a larger viral load that would have landed them on a vent in the first place.

At the very end, it tells you that out of 80,000 participants, less than 300 took the test both before and after, and they present no data specifically on those people, as the sample size is too small.

So yeah, they definitely proved reduced intelligence is correlated with having Covid... but not that the second actually caused the first.


I think you nailed it.

I've tried to contact them about another problem with their on-line test and never heard back.  (A bad comparison.  I forget the whole comparison but the problem was "Tile is to roof".  As someone who lives in a house with a concrete tile roof--generally referred to simply as tile--this was a perfectly good subset.  I'm sure concrete tile roofs are unheard of where he is, though--they have a major achilles heel of hail and are never used in climates that experience hail.)

mongbiohazard: They're saying what they found is, when you do adjust for all other factors, they can show a correlation between the fact itself of someone having had a symptomatic COVID infection lowering the IQ a little afterwards. TFA goes on to explain that they believe they found that the more severe the case the more prominent the effect - likely due to damage from hypoxia and/or the infection itself. So Uncle Ralph the who barely survived his brush with the 'Vid might not think quite as clearly afterwards, for an as of yet unexplored length of time. (Forever? For a few weeks? Months? Years? Is this like the new leaded gasoline for our generations?)


You're assuming they can measure those other factors perfectly.  The reality is you can't, you should always be on the lookout for such hidden effects.
 
2021-07-26 3:15:52 PM  

trerro: It says people who have had Covid have lower intelligence than people who haven't... but the study doesn't seem to account for the obvious: that smart people were doing everything they could to avoid both getting and spreading this thing, and were vaccinating at first opportunity... so smart people are far less likely to get this thing in the first place.

They mention in particular that people who had Covid were doing worse on things like reasoning, problem solving, and long-term planning... but again, those are exactly the skills you use to not get infected in the first place, so how do they know it's the result of brain damage, and not simply that people who lack these skills in the first place aren't taking precautions.

They further mention that people on vents had the worst scores of all... but again, the people who took zero precautions were most likely to get a larger viral load that would have landed them on a vent in the first place.

At the very end, it tells you that out of 80,000 participants, less than 300 took the test both before and after, and they present no data specifically on those people, as the sample size is too small.

So yeah, they definitely proved reduced intelligence is correlated with having Covid... but not that the second actually caused the first.


That is good to hear.  I came down with COVID long before I was allowed to get the vaccine.

/Remember when there was a queue to get the vaccine, and people were actually cheating to get it?
 
2021-07-26 3:33:03 PM  

Jedekai: You guys should know that the most anti-vaccine people I see are far-left eco-hippies-from-Hell. The Republicans, here, were basically armed with syringes from day 1. Missoulaand Great Falls are the ones with loudmouths throwing an almighty hissyfit over mandating the vaccine.

Me? Already got it. Moderna. I will NEVER agree with mandating it on personal liberty reasons... but if it does, I'm more worried about what loopholes it makes in an already closed society.


Dude freaking seat belts are mandated. Save your freedom speech for something important that doesn't kill people.
 
Displayed 42 of 42 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking




On Twitter


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.