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2021-07-24 12:51:41 PM  
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2021-07-24 1:01:31 PM  
Thank god they don't. Otherwise I've irreversibly traumatized most objects around my house.
 
2021-07-24 2:51:15 PM  
The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.
 
2021-07-24 3:12:27 PM  

Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.


Watch How it's Made, and drift off to the soothing strains of extrusion
 
2021-07-24 3:17:46 PM  
"Panpsychists all accept dog-consciousness, but some might not want to accept chair-consciousness"


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2021-07-24 3:34:27 PM  

Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.


I need a nap so this might be way off base, but it seems to me that the way you describe how things exist at a molecular level would indicate there's only one actual consciousness, shared by all.

Pleasant dreams.
 
2021-07-24 3:58:25 PM  

lilistonic: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.

I need a nap so this might be way off base, but it seems to me that the way you describe how things exist at a molecular level would indicate there's only one actual consciousness, shared by all.

Pleasant dreams.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-ele​c​tron_universe
 
2021-07-24 4:29:20 PM  
I am a stick.
 
2021-07-24 4:38:51 PM  
Theoretical physicists either took too much or not enough this time.
 
2021-07-24 4:54:15 PM  
To be fair, I've seen it discussed that consciousness is just an attribute of mass. Like color. I can't remember the philosopher's name but he rejected the idea that consciousness evolves. His proof posited that no increase in computing power would ever permit the computer to be actually conscious. I can't imagine consciousness as attribute of mass existing due to the overhead. Some thing would have to be the locus of my consciousness and it would have to have some kind of I/O mechanism. Even if memory were distinct from consciousness. Etc.

Sorry for drifting off there. [sound of reboot]
 
2021-07-24 5:12:10 PM  

lilistonic: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.

I need a nap so this might be way off base, but it seems to me that the way you describe how things exist at a molecular level would indicate there's only one actual consciousness, shared by all.

Pleasant dreams.


There is one consciousness and, unfortunately, it allows me to see what ishkur does at night when he can't sleep
 
2021-07-24 5:14:38 PM  
I'm an animist in a way. I do things like apologize when I bump into inanimate objects. But I'm not like pet rock stupid. lol
 
2021-07-24 5:15:57 PM  
^You're doing lucid dreaming wrong
 
2021-07-24 6:16:23 PM  
One wonders if they read too many user manuals that had cartoonlike illustrations of the device the manual refers to.
 
2021-07-24 7:35:33 PM  

turboke: lilistonic: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.

I need a nap so this might be way off base, but it seems to me that the way you describe how things exist at a molecular level would indicate there's only one actual consciousness, shared by all.

Pleasant dreams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-elec​tron_universe


_Surely You/re Joking Mr Feynman_

Dude took some GREAT drugs.
 
2021-07-24 7:36:43 PM  

yakmans_dad: To be fair, I've seen it discussed that consciousness is just an attribute of mass. Like color. I can't remember the philosopher's name but he rejected the idea that consciousness evolves. His proof posited that no increase in computing power would ever permit the computer to be actually conscious. I can't imagine consciousness as attribute of mass existing due to the overhead. Some thing would have to be the locus of my consciousness and it would have to have some kind of I/O mechanism. Even if memory were distinct from consciousness. Etc.

Sorry for drifting off there. [sound of reboot]


Not so much mass as the complexity of the mass.
 
2021-07-24 7:38:57 PM  
So it's "Begging the question, the article"?

/The real meaning of begging the question. You know, the one nobody uses.
 
2021-07-24 7:42:48 PM  

johnny_vegas: There is one consciousness and, unfortunately, it allows me to see what ishkur does at night when he can't sleep


So you're the guy who keeps criticizing my Detroit Techno mixes.
 
2021-07-24 8:16:11 PM  

dionysusaur: yakmans_dad: To be fair, I've seen it discussed that consciousness is just an attribute of mass. Like color. I can't remember the philosopher's name but he rejected the idea that consciousness evolves. His proof posited that no increase in computing power would ever permit the computer to be actually conscious. I can't imagine consciousness as attribute of mass existing due to the overhead. Some thing would have to be the locus of my consciousness and it would have to have some kind of I/O mechanism. Even if memory were distinct from consciousness. Etc.

Sorry for drifting off there. [sound of reboot]

Not so much mass as the complexity of the mass.


That would demand that organization isn't a mere collection but is an actual entity and would have its own inherent attributes.
 
2021-07-24 8:26:39 PM  

Ishkur: johnny_vegas: There is one consciousness and, unfortunately, it allows me to see what ishkur does at night when he can't sleep

So you're the guy who keeps criticizing my Detroit Techno mixes.


The Belleville Three all day, every day
 
2021-07-24 9:20:21 PM  

johnny_vegas: Ishkur: johnny_vegas: There is one consciousness and, unfortunately, it allows me to see what ishkur does at night when he can't sleep

So you're the guy who keeps criticizing my Detroit Techno mixes.

The Belleville Three all day, every day


Oh wow that earns you a favorite!
 
2021-07-24 9:33:06 PM  
This sounds a lot like midichlorians to me.
 
2021-07-24 9:36:11 PM  
Tennessee Steinmetz agrees.

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2021-07-24 9:55:13 PM  

Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it.


I always use the Ship of Thesus for this. Or the grandfather's axe: this is my grandfather's axe- my dad replaced the handle, I replaced the head, and this is my grandfather's axe. In reality, the axe doesn't exist- there's no element of axeness inherent in the object, no continuity of identity. We impose that, because that's how our brains understand the world.
 
2021-07-24 10:09:30 PM  

Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.



I was just thinking about this last night.  We are literally swimming in a sea of atoms and our body is a composite of so many different things, bacteria, cells, etc.   Where does the line get drawn?
 
2021-07-24 10:25:33 PM  

t3knomanser: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it.

I always use the Ship of Thesus for this. Or the grandfather's axe: this is my grandfather's axe- my dad replaced the handle, I replaced the head, and this is my grandfather's axe. In reality, the axe doesn't exist- there's no element of axeness inherent in the object, no continuity of identity. We impose that, because that's how our brains understand the world.


And every time you use the transporter in Star Trek, you are destroyed while a perfect clone of you is constructed on the other side and goes on to live the remainder of your life.
 
2021-07-24 11:08:11 PM  

Ishkur: t3knomanser: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it.

I always use the Ship of Thesus for this. Or the grandfather's axe: this is my grandfather's axe- my dad replaced the handle, I replaced the head, and this is my grandfather's axe. In reality, the axe doesn't exist- there's no element of axeness inherent in the object, no continuity of identity. We impose that, because that's how our brains understand the world.

And every time you use the transporter in Star Trek, you are destroyed while a perfect clone of you is constructed on the other side and goes on to live the remainder of your life.

Wall Around a Star

by Pohl and Williamson had a more realistic version. You were copied, the information was sent to the destination where it was rendered, but the original remained. A lot less risky than Star Trek's instant death machine.
 
2021-07-24 11:09:12 PM  
It's funny how consciousness can't be defined but people are going to take it as given anyways. Might as well talk about souls for all the science explaining them.
 
2021-07-24 11:48:26 PM  

hissatsu: So it's "Begging the question, the article"?

/The real meaning of begging the question. You know, the one nobody uses.


Begging the question is my favourite informal fallacy because it is the one I like the best.
 
2021-07-25 12:17:43 AM  
Even the simple photons thru the slit experiment shows that there's something akin to consciousness at the quantum level.
 
2021-07-25 1:00:53 AM  
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2021-07-25 1:06:13 AM  

englaja: hissatsu: So it's "Begging the question, the article"?

/The real meaning of begging the question. You know, the one nobody uses.

Begging the question is my favourite informal fallacy because it is the one I like the best.


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2021-07-25 1:53:32 AM  

Nurglitch: It's funny how consciousness can't be defined but people are going to take it as given anyways. Might as well talk about souls for all the science explaining them.


Just because something can't be defined doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is plenty of evidence for consciousness even though its nature is not well understood.

It's like dark matter in physics, they don't really know what it is, but our current knowledge necessitates it in some way

Anyway there isn't even any legit evidence for souls so your comparison is flawed there as well
 
2021-07-25 2:54:39 AM  

luidprand: by Pohl and Williamson had a more realistic version. You were copied, the information was sent to the destination where it was rendered, but the original remained. A lot less risky than Star Trek's instant death machine.


Star Trek even had this plot, cf. Thomas Riker.
 
2021-07-25 3:52:43 AM  

turboke: lilistonic: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it. There is no official border or boundary that separates the two. It's kind of fuzzy to determine at the atomic level exactly where you end and the air around you begins. Or what exact atoms make up you.

Moreover those atoms are moving all the time, and some are leaving the object and others are joining it. The constitution of objects is constantly changing. The first principle of logic, Aristotle's A is A, is useful only as a thought exercise, or could be approximated to certain things at certain dimensions and resolutions moving at certain velocities, but it has no real application or utility to things that are really small (quantum), really large (universe), or moving really fast (speed of light). In other words: Extremities that we cannot innately observe do not obey our fuzzy rules of logic.

Moreover: What defines the consciousness in an object? Do larger objects have larger consciousnesses? What happens to the consciousness of an object when it's changed or merged with other objects? If a rock has consciousness, and you break it in two, does it then become two rocks with two consciousnesses? If you glue two rocks together, do they become one rock with one consciousness? If so, what happened to one of the consciousnesses? Where did it go? What if you tethered two rocks with a string? Is it still two consciousnesses or does it become one consciousness? How close do they have to be to merge consciousnesses?

These are the things that keep me up at night.

I need a nap so this might be way off base, but it seems to me that the way you describe how things exist at a molecular level would indicate there's only one actual consciousness, shared by all.

Pleasant dreams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-elec​tron_universe


I came up with very similar theory as a child after hearing that eveything on TV screen is just one electron going round
 
2021-07-25 3:53:05 AM  
or as a teenager
 
2021-07-25 3:54:39 AM  

luidprand: Ishkur: t3knomanser: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it.

I always use the Ship of Thesus for this. Or the grandfather's axe: this is my grandfather's axe- my dad replaced the handle, I replaced the head, and this is my grandfather's axe. In reality, the axe doesn't exist- there's no element of axeness inherent in the object, no continuity of identity. We impose that, because that's how our brains understand the world.

And every time you use the transporter in Star Trek, you are destroyed while a perfect clone of you is constructed on the other side and goes on to live the remainder of your life.

Wall Around a Star by Pohl and Williamson had a more realistic version. You were copied, the information was sent to the destination where it was rendered, but the original remained. A lot less risky than Star Trek's instant death machine.


Schlock Mercenary had that
 
2021-07-25 4:37:23 AM  

Ishkur: t3knomanser: Ishkur: The idea of an "object" is kind of funny to me. At the molecular level there is no real distinction between the atoms that make up an object and the atoms that surround it.

I always use the Ship of Thesus for this. Or the grandfather's axe: this is my grandfather's axe- my dad replaced the handle, I replaced the head, and this is my grandfather's axe. In reality, the axe doesn't exist- there's no element of axeness inherent in the object, no continuity of identity. We impose that, because that's how our brains understand the world.

And every time you use the transporter in Star Trek, you are destroyed while a perfect clone of you is constructed on the other side and goes on to live the remainder of your life.


There is a fantastic old school sci-fi story called Rogue Moon by Algis Budrys, in which a guy is repeatedly cloned in a kind of transporter, so he can explore the inside of a alien construction, something like a maze. The clone can for a short time telepathically pass the mapping info to the original guy. It's the only way someone inside can communicate outside. The problem is, the clone has to guess each new move deeper into the maze, and when he makes a wrong move, his body is literally and instantly torn apart. So they clone the guy again, etc, The main line of the story is how the guy goes almost insane, feeling himself, via telepathy, being ripped apart over and over.
 
2021-07-25 4:45:51 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: There is a fantastic old school sci-fi story called Rogue Moon by Algis Budrys, in which a guy is repeatedly cloned in a kind of transporter, so he can explore the inside of a alien construction, something like a maze. The clone can for a short time telepathically pass the mapping info to the original guy. It's the only way someone inside can communicate outside. The problem is, the clone has to guess each new move deeper into the maze, and when he makes a wrong move, his body is literally and instantly torn apart. So they clone the guy again, etc, The main line of the story is how the guy goes almost insane, feeling himself, via telepathy, being ripped apart over and over.


Sounds like a video game character who has gained sentience and feels each and every death as the sadistic user presses "continue" one more time.
 
2021-07-25 9:38:23 AM  

BumpInTheNight: [YouTube video: Ikea "Lamp" Commercial - Hi Res]


The guy at the end is correct.
 
2021-07-25 9:49:27 AM  
Then there's the possibility that there are no persons, that biological "human" consciousness  is no different than the consciousness that a quark has. Its continuity, complexity, memory, etc are just meaningless. That the biological entity believe that consciousness equates to personhood, will, etc is just a mistake on the level of an optical illusion.
 
2021-07-25 10:14:22 AM  
This appears to be the thread where graduate level philosophical bullshiat is revived.
 
2021-07-25 10:23:42 AM  

American-Irish eyes: This appears to be the thread where graduate level philosophical bullshiat is revived.


It isn't necessarily bullshiat. It's just above our paygrade.
 
2021-07-25 11:55:10 PM  
The problem here is one of terminology. If you are strictly defining consciousness as human-centric then nothing else has consciousness. That's not a terribly useful definition,

Especially when the first definition of the word is: "The state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings". The other two seem human-centric until you realize you can apply them to animals too.

if you go by that first definition then all matter and energy has consciousness, because if they didn't they would never react with anything and we wouldn't be here.

What the universe offers is a spectrum of consciousness. The quantum level is doing whatever the hell it's doing, particles have their rules, and as matter and energy have increasingly complex forms, they have increasingly complex consciousness. There is nothing alien to good science in this premise.

While a chair isn't going to contribute much in a conversation with you, the chair is still aware of it's environment and any forces acting on it. If it wasn't you would never be able to sit in it. It's also a sum of its parts.

As far as we can tell human-level consciousness is an outgrowth of our meat, that doesn't mean when our meat is gone we are. We existed, we moved things around, and influenced others. Information is never lost which means we all live forever in a way. The fact information is never lost means inanimate objects share this quality with us.

Consider a chair. Its constituent parts are as old as the universe itself. While it's current configuration is rather chair-like the materials that make it once participated in the big bang, the birth and death of stars, the forming of the Earth, etc. All that information is there, though we lack the ability to access it specifically. Its atoms remember everything they've ever been a part of, because each of those previous incarnations led to their current state. People would be foolish to reject that as a form of consciousness simply because the chair doesn't have an emotional response to its current state. It's materials do not support emotions just human butts.
 
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