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2021-07-24 10:16:25 AM  
Patrick Duffy demands an apology for the years of derision.

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2021-07-24 11:15:14 AM  
Awwww man... first paragraph says I can't fly.  My whole strategy up in smoke.
 
2021-07-24 12:24:11 PM  
And finally, although it will be hard to spot in the underwater camera shots at the Olympics, the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may

....genetically look more like flippers than feet, which tends to make the whole Olympics increasingly about genetic purity than striving to be the best through hard work.
 
2021-07-24 1:36:20 PM  

koder: And finally, although it will be hard to spot in the underwater camera shots at the Olympics, the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may

....genetically look more like flippers than feet, which tends to make the whole Olympics increasingly about genetic purity than striving to be the best through hard work.

. . . the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may rotate inwards during the downbeat of the kick, rather than staying rigidly in line with the leg. This rotation allows the top surfaces of the feet to orient horizontally to the swimming direction, just like the flute (tail) of a dolphin or whale lies horizontal to their swim direction, producing more propulsion at the feet.


Which means small differences in technique can make a big difference in the results, requiring a lot of hard work on the part of the Olympians to master that technique.

Of course genetics play a role. Short people usually don't make the NBA. But to discount the dedication and efforts of the athletes is just silly.
 
2021-07-24 2:03:17 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: And finally, although it will be hard to spot in the underwater camera shots at the Olympics, the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may

....genetically look more like flippers than feet, which tends to make the whole Olympics increasingly about genetic purity than striving to be the best through hard work.

. . . the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may rotate inwards during the downbeat of the kick, rather than staying rigidly in line with the leg. This rotation allows the top surfaces of the feet to orient horizontally to the swimming direction, just like the flute (tail) of a dolphin or whale lies horizontal to their swim direction, producing more propulsion at the feet.

Which means small differences in technique can make a big difference in the results, requiring a lot of hard work on the part of the Olympians to master that technique.

Of course genetics play a role. Short people usually don't make the NBA. But to discount the dedication and efforts of the athletes is just silly.


Everyone loves a purely deterministic view lately it seems.  It's all genetics and that's that.  It's more than a bit silly - genetics predispose, sometimes quite heavily, but they aren't everything
 
2021-07-24 2:27:35 PM  

downstairs: Awwww man... first paragraph says I can't fly.  My whole strategy up in smoke.


Pish posh. It's simply a matter of throwing yourself at the ground and missing
 
2021-07-24 2:33:18 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: And finally, although it will be hard to spot in the underwater camera shots at the Olympics, the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may

....genetically look more like flippers than feet, which tends to make the whole Olympics increasingly about genetic purity than striving to be the best through hard work.

. . . the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may rotate inwards during the downbeat of the kick, rather than staying rigidly in line with the leg. This rotation allows the top surfaces of the feet to orient horizontally to the swimming direction, just like the flute (tail) of a dolphin or whale lies horizontal to their swim direction, producing more propulsion at the feet.

Which means small differences in technique can make a big difference in the results, requiring a lot of hard work on the part of the Olympians to master that technique.

Of course genetics play a role. Short people usually don't make the NBA. But to discount the dedication and efforts of the athletes is just silly.

Everyone loves a purely deterministic view lately it seems.  It's all genetics and that's that.  It's more than a bit silly - genetics predispose, sometimes quite heavily, but they aren't everything


They gotta get a Gattacca.
 
2021-07-24 3:32:17 PM  
Didn't they draw a line in the backstroke about 1/3 the length of the pool and demand the swimmers surface before that line?  Turns out you [well not farkers, but real swimmers] can swim underwater "boy from Atlantis*" style far faster than anyone can do the backstroke.  Some were swimming the entire length of the race underwater (presumably just across the pool) in sprint competitions.

/* yes, hubiestubert and I are old
// millenials (i.e pushing 40, maybe a bit older) and younger are not expected to get that reference
/// excuse me while I put my onion in a waterproof baggie
 
2021-07-24 3:34:18 PM  
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2021-07-24 7:47:44 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: And finally, although it will be hard to spot in the underwater camera shots at the Olympics, the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may

....genetically look more like flippers than feet, which tends to make the whole Olympics increasingly about genetic purity than striving to be the best through hard work.

. . . the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may rotate inwards during the downbeat of the kick, rather than staying rigidly in line with the leg. This rotation allows the top surfaces of the feet to orient horizontally to the swimming direction, just like the flute (tail) of a dolphin or whale lies horizontal to their swim direction, producing more propulsion at the feet.

Which means small differences in technique can make a big difference in the results, requiring a lot of hard work on the part of the Olympians to master that technique.

Of course genetics play a role. Short people usually don't make the NBA. But to discount the dedication and efforts of the athletes is just silly.


Hey remember that one gold-metal Olympian who was one of two identical twins, the other of which skipped sports altogether?  Neither do I.

Face it, the Olympics has become, or has always been about, getting genetic anomalies together to mash genitals.
 
2021-07-24 11:13:13 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Didn't they draw a line in the backstroke about 1/3 the length of the pool and demand the swimmers surface before that line?  Turns out you [well not farkers, but real swimmers] can swim underwater "boy from Atlantis*" style far faster than anyone can do the backstroke.  Some were swimming the entire length of the race underwater (presumably just across the pool) in sprint competitions.

/* yes, hubiestubert and I are old
// millenials (i.e pushing 40, maybe a bit older) and younger are not expected to get that reference
/// excuse me while I put my onion in a waterproof baggie


They brought in the 15m rule because of Denis Pankratov swimming 50m (one length) entirely underwater, around 25 years ago if I recall correctly.
 
2021-07-24 11:46:27 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Everyone loves a purely deterministic view lately it seems.


Don't think about it too much, because either there are fundamental laws of nature that determine everything or there are no rules and the universe doesn't exist.  You exist, so no free will for you.

Again, don't think about it.
 
2021-07-25 12:08:54 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Everyone loves a purely deterministic view lately it seems.

Don't think about it too much, because either there are fundamental laws of nature that determine everything or there are no rules and the universe doesn't exist.  You exist, so no free will for you.

Again, don't think about it.


Shrug - I've thought about it quite a lot.  The crowd that likes that argument are pretty much the philosophical equivalent of hysterics.  It's a lot easier and by far more reconcilable to believe what science appears to show - that while genetics will nudge you in a given direction, it can be offset by all kinds of factors that send you in another direction.  Upbringing, temperament, dumb luck, training, hell diet or exercise even - the list is nearly endless.  And that view has no conflict with the observable universe as we know it at least - so why get silly inventing Platonist thought constructs that will never be a part of realty.  The attitude you outlined it just people confusing thought experiments designed as frameworks for investigating objective reality with actual objective reality
 
2021-07-25 1:33:29 PM  
Yeah when I was on the swimming team with my name on the boards in about a third of the categories My coach kept  screaming at me kick kick.
And as an adult at the pool I would do the 25 m underwater take a breath and go back creeped people out.
Now the numbers on the boards were Olympic times when I was a kid, amazing.
 
2021-07-25 8:07:03 PM  

koder: Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: And finally, although it will be hard to spot in the underwater camera shots at the Olympics, the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may

....genetically look more like flippers than feet, which tends to make the whole Olympics increasingly about genetic purity than striving to be the best through hard work.

. . . the feet of the faster underwater swimmers may rotate inwards during the downbeat of the kick, rather than staying rigidly in line with the leg. This rotation allows the top surfaces of the feet to orient horizontally to the swimming direction, just like the flute (tail) of a dolphin or whale lies horizontal to their swim direction, producing more propulsion at the feet.

Which means small differences in technique can make a big difference in the results, requiring a lot of hard work on the part of the Olympians to master that technique.

Of course genetics play a role. Short people usually don't make the NBA. But to discount the dedication and efforts of the athletes is just silly.

Hey remember that one gold-metal Olympian who was one of two identical twins, the other of which skipped sports altogether?  Neither do I.

Face it, the Olympics has become, or has always been about, getting genetic anomalies together to mash genitals.


Why do you think that's not every sport ever, and just seems to be Olympics?
 
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