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2021-07-24 9:24:07 AM  
Little late, but maybe massive decisions like leaving the EU shouldn't be a simple majority referendum. I'm not the UK's mom, and I don't have a time machine yet, but if I were and I did, that's what I'd look at tweaking.
 
2021-07-24 9:27:44 AM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: I think this is one of those situations where people add "as a businessman" to whatever bullshiat they are spouting and they think it makes them infallible.  Just like "as a parent."


Well it does sound better than "As an ignorant c*nt".
 
2021-07-24 9:28:59 AM  

Nullav: Little late, but maybe massive decisions like leaving the EU shouldn't be a simple majority referendum. I'm not the UK's mom, and I don't have a time machine yet, but if I were and I did, that's what I'd look at tweaking.


It may have started with a simple majority referendum but the British electorate repeatedly voted in favor of the pro-Brexit party on an explicit Brexit platform
 
2021-07-24 9:29:30 AM  
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2021-07-24 9:31:02 AM  
I'm confused why he voted as a businessman to restrict his access to product and work force, was surprised that he now has less. Was he previously creating them in the basement and has had a bad year with that too?

Maybe his problem will sort itself out now that he's gone public. He'll have fewer customers that he'll need less product and staff.
 
2021-07-24 9:32:58 AM  

rosekolodny: wademh: thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?

You see, when a businessman votes, he acts like an idiot and does stupid things that he thinks are smart because he imagines himself smart because he's a businessman. There's a special cloak you wear, you get them and Dunning and Kruger's department store. It's like a cloak of invisibility but the wearer wears it as a cloak of invulnerability bestowed upon them by the Sacred Royal Order of Businessmen.

My mother voted for trump because "he's a businessman."

There's no explaining to her that even if he were a good businessman - which he is not - I don't want my country run like a business.


Being a con artist is a kind of business.
 
2021-07-24 9:34:18 AM  

LordBeavis: "As a businessman, I voted Brexit."


Because clearly cutting the UK off the EU market is sure great business.
 
2021-07-24 9:35:14 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?


By leaving the EU, wealthy UK residents also left the anti-money laundering agreement.  So they can explore very lucrative "investments".
Ordinary UK residents?  Enjoy the bread lines and decaying economy.  Also, if Johnson gets the Chinese an open door enjoy that sucking sound.
 
2021-07-24 9:37:14 AM  

Befuddled: British farmers are facing a real crisis as there is no one to pick their crops now that Eastern Europeans can't freely travel there.


Oh noes anyway. White british people not being able to rely on slaves for the first time in their history. Aint that a shame.
 
2021-07-24 9:39:05 AM  
But but there's a couple farkers who have said Brexit is the greatest thing that's ever happened to England and their supermarket shelves are always stocked with cheese!

They....they couldn't be lying right?

/s
 
2021-07-24 9:42:35 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: How does voting away your staff and suppliers equate with voting "as a businessman," exactly?


Maybe Trumpy is his business role model
 
2021-07-24 9:46:26 AM  
I'll bet in the bits that didn't make it to the aired segment he hints at where the "real" error is, that it's not his vote, it's the lousy deal the UK government made with the EU, the EU being unfair/evil, or the UK government not doing a good job preparing, etc.  He doesn't demonstrate much capacity to own the results of his choices.
 
2021-07-24 9:46:57 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?


I love the idea that opening a business makes people smarter.
 
2021-07-24 9:48:43 AM  
Weird. The exact thing they Remain crowd said would happen is happening despite being dismissed as a fearmongering fever dream by Leave.

It's almost as though one side was absolutely full of shiat and willing to say whatever it took to whoever it took to get them to vote Leave, but without any consistent plan for how they'd actually make good on their wildly optimistic and often mutually exclusive promises.
 
2021-07-24 9:50:11 AM  
Iwanted to move to the UK, and had designs on doing so, before Brexit. Friends there were upset that it passed but assured me things weren't going to go to shiat so I kept up working on finding a good job over there. But then... Something told me to put it on hold and see how it pans out.

I'm glad I did. I'm either going to start looking in the EU or wait a couple years and see if the UK unfarks itself, which I'm not holding my breath for.
 
2021-07-24 9:50:53 AM  
As a businessman let me share a little secret, Capitalismo is toxic and one of the primary threats to the Globe. The real Kings of Capitalism today are Xi and Putin, both communists or former communists with none of the supposed "moral"underpinnings that Western Capitalism pretends to guide them, ala Adam Smith (or was it Edmund Burke)IDK, and is just a cover for its fundamentally destructive nature of most for the "profit" of the few.

The Queens England always acts like they're above reproach ethically precisely because they are and have always been The Pirate Nation. My understanding of modern capitalism is that it stems from Henry the VIII, and his Letter of Marque, which granted rovering privateers license to go anywhere, do anything and generally act in the most lawless way possible, especially to Asians, Indians ( from India), and Africans, not to mention the also rapacious Spanish French Dutch, Germans and Russians, and pretty much everyone else.

America, with its appropriation of all Native American lands without so much as a "by your leave" is just an extension of that English system.

OK, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but just dredging up what I think I remember from books I've never read from much earlier in my So Called Education.

Change my mind.
 
2021-07-24 9:50:59 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Interesting. It's almost as if conservatism, ethnocentrism, and short sightedness go hand in hand. It's a conundrum.


I'll say this about conservatives, at least they're predictable. If they're for something, it's almost assuredly a bad idea, and if it's not, they're doing it for the stupidest reason possible.
 
2021-07-24 9:53:33 AM  

Murkanen: Barricaded Gunman: How does voting away your staff and suppliers equate with voting "as a businessman," exactly?

You haven't met a lot of business men I take it.

There's a reason why most businesses fold like a lawn chair before their 5th year.


Also, if a business owner gets lucky, and stumbles into profits, he's hailed as a genius, regardless of how he got there.
 
2021-07-24 9:54:20 AM  

Mike_1962: Lexx: Brits will never forget the pride and hubris of being a superpower.  The sun has set on The British Empire, and they're never going to accept that, much less forgive it.

Whoa.  That's a pretty gross over generalization.  The Tories, yes.


Let me walk back the generalization then.  "A plurality of Brits, just enough to control government, will never accept, forget, forgive, etc."
 
2021-07-24 9:55:56 AM  

Tyrosine: I don't know what he's complaining about, he got exactly what he wanted. Surely he must have been aware that a lot of his staff were from Europe and that they couldn't work for him post brexit. He must also have been aware that a lot of truck drivers were also from the continent, and that they couldn't work in the U.K. after brexit.

The reason these people were hired in the first place was that the locals wouldn't do those jobs for the pay being offered. Brexit removed that pool of cheap labor, so now those businesses will have to pony up more money to fill those positions or close.


Which, if they nut up and start paying more, that money will go right back into the local economy, and might start to improve things....
 
2021-07-24 9:59:19 AM  
Gotta love the "as a businessman, I voted Brexit" but "now, as a person....I wouldn't"

So, as a person, now that your business is failing, you are having second thoughts.

"I LOVE MY DEAD, GAY SON!!"

/is it too ***gasp*** late ***gasp*** for the vaccine? **gasp***
 
2021-07-24 10:00:39 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: As a businessman let me share a little secret, Capitalismo is toxic and one of the primary threats to the Globe. The real Kings of Capitalism today are Xi and Putin, both communists or former communists with none of the supposed "moral"underpinnings that Western Capitalism pretends to guide them, ala Adam Smith (or was it Edmund Burke)IDK, and is just a cover for its fundamentally destructive nature of most for the "profit" of the few.

The Queens England always acts like they're above reproach ethically precisely because they are and have always been The Pirate Nation. My understanding of modern capitalism is that it stems from Henry the VIII, and his Letter of Marque, which granted rovering privateers license to go anywhere, do anything and generally act in the most lawless way possible, especially to Asians, Indians ( from India), and Africans, not to mention the also rapacious Spanish French Dutch, Germans and Russians, and pretty much everyone else.

America, with its appropriation of all Native American lands without so much as a "by your leave" is just an extension of that English system.

OK, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but just dredging up what I think I remember from books I've never read from much earlier in my So Called Education.

Change my mind.


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2021-07-24 10:00:42 AM  

yakmans_dad: thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?

I love the idea that opening a business makes people smarter.


Indeed. Most of us probably read with some regularity how most small businesses fail in the first year. I've always been amused watching specific locations that seem to play musical chairs with businesses moving in and out every year or two, sometimes with the same type of business repeating itself. Have been friendly with a number of small business owners. Most of them have said: "Don't ever open a..."

(As laypeople we sometimes watch the dollars coming in at a shop and imagine it's all profit with no expenses, don't consider that they still have the same home expenses, and no income to cover them when business is bad.)
 
2021-07-24 10:01:02 AM  
Putin wins again! At least the ultra right wing conservatives are happy with the European great unwashed citizenry not cluttering up their pristine Isle.
 
2021-07-24 10:03:57 AM  
Manchester club owner rocked by unforeseen consequences. Totally unforeseen.
 
2021-07-24 10:06:40 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?


He said business man not thinking man.
 
2021-07-24 10:10:13 AM  
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2021-07-24 10:10:37 AM  

Murkanen: Barricaded Gunman: How does voting away your staff and suppliers equate with voting "as a businessman," exactly?

You haven't met a lot of business men I take it.

There's a reason why most businesses fold like a lawn chair before their 5th year.


Ah, but what if your business is making or selling lawn chairs?
 
2021-07-24 10:11:25 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: How does voting away your staff and suppliers equate with voting "as a businessman," exactly?


I still don't understand why the UK government made a massive decision regarding international political alignment based on a single snapshot of opinion in a non-binding referendum.
We screw a lot of things up in the US, but when one of my home states decided we want to amend our state constitution, it takes two YES votes in two consecutive biennial general elections.
 
2021-07-24 10:14:20 AM  

washburn777: 10 to 1 the Brits will still fall for whatever Nigel sells them next when he inevitably resurfaces with another bright idea.


He really only appeals to the hardcore gammons, the milder ones listen to Boris
 
2021-07-24 10:15:44 AM  

Lexx: Brits will never forget the pride and hubris of being a superpower.  The sun has set on The British Empire, and they're never going to accept that, much less forgive it.


The sun never set on the British Empire only because even God couldn't trust Englishmen in the dark.
 
2021-07-24 10:15:53 AM  

Target Builder: Weird. The exact thing they Remain crowd said would happen is happening despite being dismissed as a fearmongering fever dream by Leave.

It's almost as though one side was absolutely full of shiat and willing to say whatever it took to whoever it took to get them to vote Leave, but without any consistent plan for how they'd actually make good on their wildly optimistic and often mutually exclusive promises.


Yeah, but if we ignore human nature, we can think up all sorts of great social and economic ideas.

Libertarianism is just autism that failed calculus.
 
2021-07-24 10:18:05 AM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: I think this is one of those situations where people add "as a businessman" to whatever bullshiat they are spouting and they think it makes them infallible.  Just like "as a parent."


"Well, as a mother, ..."
"Miss, let me stop you right there. Successfully figuring out how to bone doesn't qualify you to do anything except humanity's oldest profession. So unless you're about to opine on whoring, keep it to yourself."
 
2021-07-24 10:18:20 AM  
As a Yank who ignores anything happening outside US borders, I haven't kept up with the fine details of Brexit. But it seems obvious to me that if you are going to cut off a cheap labor pool, you are going to royally fark yourself if you aren't simultaneously negotiating a deal to bring in cheap labor from somewhere else. Asia or central America or something.

Did that not happen? Because if not, that's really dumb.
 
2021-07-24 10:19:31 AM  

rolladuck: Barricaded Gunman: How does voting away your staff and suppliers equate with voting "as a businessman," exactly?

I still don't understand why the UK government made a massive decision regarding international political alignment based on a single snapshot of opinion in a non-binding referendum.
We screw a lot of things up in the US, but when one of my home states decided we want to amend our state constitution, it takes two YES votes in two consecutive biennial general elections.


In a 2013 letter unearthed by the Financial Times to then-president of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, thePrime Minister of the United KingdomDavid Cameron said that offshore trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency requirements as shell companies. Some analysts suggested that these actions may affect the outcome of the referendum on UK membership of the EU.
Cameron was up to his neck in Panama tax avoidance as was a large number of Brexiteers and Tories. Strangely enough they wanted out of the EU before a court higher than their own ones started looking at them more closely and demanding even more transparency about what a bunch of robber barons they were.
 
2021-07-24 10:19:43 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?


I'd mock them without mercy, but as about a quarter of us voted for Trump, it's hard to claim a lot of moral high ground - our short-sighted, nationalistic idiots are dumber than their short-sighted, nationalistic idiots.

The only real difference is that we have the opportunity to reverse our idiocy every four years. They're screwed for rather a much longer time.
 
2021-07-24 10:23:24 AM  
What I could never understand is that after the surprising result of the NON-BINDING 2016 public referendum, after which it seemed like many people who protest-voted for brexit immediately and publicly expressed regret, every politician in charge acted as though it was their god-given obligation to push it through no matter what.

The whole process took years to complete, and at any time along the way any of the PMs could have said, "It has become clear to the British people that Brexit involves more than just a flip of a switch, so before moving forward with finalized Brexit agreement, we will let the people vote on it."  It would have gone down in flames as by then it was already known to be a shiatshow.  I was hoping for the Queen to make an unprecedented move to save the day and nudge a politician in the right direction, but I know that's not how things work.

The whole idea of putting an existing, major treaty up for a 50%+1 popular vote was stupid -- people are too fickle.

It'd be like Texas voting to secede every year, the measure always losing 25-75, but then one year...in an alternate history 2017...it passes 51-49.  Then the Texas government just plows through with secession over the next four years even if it became clear it'd lose the popular vote again in 2018-onwards.
 
2021-07-24 10:23:39 AM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: I think this is one of those situations where people add "as a businessman" to whatever bullshiat they are spouting and they think it makes them infallible.  Just like "as a parent."


That's pretty much exactly how it happened and a part of me is glad to see it's not a uniquely American thing. Too many people who never heard of dunning-kruger but really should I seem to feel that if they identify themselves as a businessman, a parent, or some other entity that they are now instantly experts in everything that affects them. In reality, people that voted for Brexit or led around by the nose by their own corrupt politicians and hostile foreign interests that wanted to see their nation destabilized. The same thing mostly happened here and it could very well be argued that it is still happening here.
 
2021-07-24 10:24:29 AM  

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2021-07-24 10:28:23 AM  

rosekolodny: wademh: thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?

You see, when a businessman votes, he acts like an idiot and does stupid things that he thinks are smart because he imagines himself smart because he's a businessman. There's a special cloak you wear, you get them and Dunning and Kruger's department store. It's like a cloak of invisibility but the wearer wears it as a cloak of invulnerability bestowed upon them by the Sacred Royal Order of Businessmen.

My mother voted for trump because "he's a businessman."

There's no explaining to her that even if he were a good businessman - which he is not - I don't want my country run like a business.


That is supposed to be the whole idea of the difference between business and government. Business by its own nature is out for itself. In a more simplistic ideal, businesses make a product that people need and then make profits based on that product. In reality businesses are about making money, even when there isn't a product to sell. There is no altruism, there is only a selfish motive to get more money. This is antithetical to the needs of a government. Government is there to provide the things a society needs that businesses cannot or will not provide.
 
2021-07-24 10:28:51 AM  
Seeing as the we have a common language, it's unsurprising they spell racist as "businessman" just like we do!
 
2021-07-24 10:31:45 AM  

IamTomJoad: Gotta love the "as a businessman, I voted Brexit" but "now, as a person....I wouldn't"

So, as a person, now that your business is failing, you are having second thoughts.

"I LOVE MY DEAD, GAY SON!!"

/is it too ***gasp*** late ***gasp*** for the vaccine? **gasp***


The power of Brexit has turned him from an ugly businessman into a beautiful person.
 
2021-07-24 10:32:04 AM  
Cascading consequences
 
2021-07-24 10:32:53 AM  

Gpzjock: As a businessman he thought getting rid of all the minimum wage immigrant workers and the European logistics hub meant he would thrive with the same pisspoor business model that he developed while they were still here.
Um, no.


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X-Geek: thatguyoverthere70: He said he voted for brexit as a business man. serious question: what did he think was going to happen?

All the bad people would be thrown out of the country, and all the money that was spent on their welfare and health care would be taken by the Brexit Fairy who would leave it under the pillows of all the good little business owners.

Also, burgundy passports.


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The only people willing to work at those places for a minimum wage were those "bad" (immigrant) people, and the reason they needed welfare was because their wages didn't pay enough for their living expenses. Just like here in the US where WalMart "helps" its minimum-wage employees sign up for welfare and food-assistance programs (and WalMart profits more when the employees use their company discount to spend their assistance funds at WM).

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Tyrosine: I don't know what he's complaining about, he got exactly what he wanted. Surely he must have been aware that a lot of his staff were from Europe and that they couldn't work for him post brexit. He must also have been aware that a lot of truck drivers were also from the continent, and that they couldn't work in the U.K. after brexit.

The reason these people were hired in the first place was that the locals wouldn't do those jobs for the pay being offered. Brexit removed that pool of cheap labor, so now those businesses will have to pony up more money to fill those positions or close.


Natalie Portmanteau:
Which, if they nut up and start paying more, that money will go right back into the local economy, and might start to improve things....

That too.
 
2021-07-24 10:32:54 AM  

rolladuck: Barricaded Gunman: How does voting away your staff and suppliers equate with voting "as a businessman," exactly?

I still don't understand why the UK government made a massive decision regarding international political alignment based on a single snapshot of opinion in a non-binding referendum.
We screw a lot of things up in the US, but when one of my home states decided we want to amend our state constitution, it takes two YES votes in two consecutive biennial general elections.


We just voted the 2 vote thing down in FL. Mostly cuz the farking legislature corrupts the intent of every amendment we pass anyway. Perhaps a first vote to determine voters' preference on an issue and instructs the legislature to craft the exact language of the law, which is voted on the second time. If passed, it is adopted directly into law as worded.  That might let the voters know exactly what the hell we're really voting for.
 
2021-07-24 10:35:42 AM  

iheartscotch: I wonder if he's considered paying MORE than minimum wage.


In his mind, that would be something a BAD businessman would do.
 
2021-07-24 10:40:33 AM  

lolmao500: Befuddled: British farmers are facing a real crisis as there is no one to pick their crops now that Eastern Europeans can't freely travel there.

Oh noes anyway. White british people not being able to rely on slaves for the first time in their history. Aint that a shame.


Every first world nation relies on third world labor to do the crappy yet necessary jobs.
 
2021-07-24 10:41:23 AM  
Obligatory - from Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol", Stave 1:

"But you were always a good man of business, Jacob," faltered Scrooge, who now began to apply this to himself.

"Business!" cried the Ghost, wringing its hands again.  "Mankind was my business.  The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were, all, my business.  The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!"


/ this barkeep was not even a good "man of business"
 
2021-07-24 10:42:23 AM  
Brexit and MAGA: Both speeding their countries towards being lands of a thousand monuments and zero modern accomplishments.
 
2021-07-24 10:43:23 AM  

gremlin79: Barricaded Gunman: How does voting away your staff and suppliers equate with voting "as a businessman," exactly?

He didn't say he was good at it


As a failed business man
 
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