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2021-07-23 11:40:17 PM  

Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: I just don't understand the team cars in this race. It seems stupid to me.
Also, why do they pull racers that are far in the back?

Team cars carry spare parts and, indeed, spare bikes.

I think what you're asking about "pulling riders" is when they tuck in to get back on the bunch... I guess it carries over to the Olympics but, generally, they are helping riders who fall back for supplies or medical care. You're not allowed to draft behind your own team car but it's pretty accepted that other teams help each other out because  these guys (that fall back and bring bottles up) aren't really going to compete for the win and they are really doing the most work... also guys that have mechanical probs (even if they may win) get a helping hand to catch back on as well.


I just don't get it. Start with a bike. End with a bike. Are these bikes that shiatty they can't be ridden for 7 hours?
Carry a tire kit if you need to.
I just don't get it.
 
2021-07-23 11:42:17 PM  

Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: Announcer said if you are 14 minutes behind the pack you are disqualified or something like that.


That's not until at least the half way point... I mean, I forget where but it's unlikely that people will start falling off the back until the very end and riders of all nations in the autobus will help each other beat the time cut.


Man, I hope so, that seems cruel to give a DNF if you make it up multiple climbs and want to finish. What'd be the harm in a terrible time. I mean they had people finishing 2 minutes back in a 8 minute rowing race.
 
2021-07-23 11:42:32 PM  

solokumba: Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: I just don't understand the team cars in this race. It seems stupid to me.
Also, why do they pull racers that are far in the back?

Team cars carry spare parts and, indeed, spare bikes.

I think what you're asking about "pulling riders" is when they tuck in to get back on the bunch... I guess it carries over to the Olympics but, generally, they are helping riders who fall back for supplies or medical care. You're not allowed to draft behind your own team car but it's pretty accepted that other teams help each other out because  these guys (that fall back and bring bottles up) aren't really going to compete for the win and they are really doing the most work... also guys that have mechanical probs (even if they may win) get a helping hand to catch back on as well.

I just don't get it. Start with a bike. End with a bike. Are these bikes that shiatty they can't be ridden for 7 hours?
Carry a tire kit if you need to.
I just don't get it.


Nah, swapping to another bike or a quick wheel change is what they want. That takes seconds. A tire kit takes minutes.
 
2021-07-23 11:43:31 PM  
Isn't the time cut for TdF +30 minutes from the peloton?
I think olympics would be the same.
 
2021-07-23 11:45:18 PM  

BadCosmonaut: Isn't the time cut for TdF +30 minutes from the peloton?
I think olympics would be the same.


No, it's kind of complicated - like my love life. This article explains it: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/ho​w​-do-tour-de-france-time-cuts-work
 
2021-07-23 11:46:06 PM  

solokumba: Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: I just don't understand the team cars in this race. It seems stupid to me.
Also, why do they pull racers that are far in the back?

Team cars carry spare parts and, indeed, spare bikes.

I think what you're asking about "pulling riders" is when they tuck in to get back on the bunch... I guess it carries over to the Olympics but, generally, they are helping riders who fall back for supplies or medical care. You're not allowed to draft behind your own team car but it's pretty accepted that other teams help each other out because  these guys (that fall back and bring bottles up) aren't really going to compete for the win and they are really doing the most work... also guys that have mechanical probs (even if they may win) get a helping hand to catch back on as well.

I just don't get it. Start with a bike. End with a bike. Are these bikes that shiatty they can't be ridden for 7 hours?
Carry a tire kit if you need to.
I just don't get it.


Frames are carbon fiber and very stiff. The frames can crack on rough roads. Normally the front fork will crack. High speed and rough roads don't mix.
 
2021-07-23 11:46:39 PM  

BadCosmonaut: Isn't the time cut for TdF +30 minutes from the peloton?
I think olympics would be the same.


No, time cuts are a variable percentage of the winners time based on a day's stage. Even in the tour.
 
2021-07-23 11:50:30 PM  

eddie_irvine: solokumba: Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: I just don't understand the team cars in this race. It seems stupid to me.
Also, why do they pull racers that are far in the back?

Team cars carry spare parts and, indeed, spare bikes.

I think what you're asking about "pulling riders" is when they tuck in to get back on the bunch... I guess it carries over to the Olympics but, generally, they are helping riders who fall back for supplies or medical care. You're not allowed to draft behind your own team car but it's pretty accepted that other teams help each other out because  these guys (that fall back and bring bottles up) aren't really going to compete for the win and they are really doing the most work... also guys that have mechanical probs (even if they may win) get a helping hand to catch back on as well.

I just don't get it. Start with a bike. End with a bike. Are these bikes that shiatty they can't be ridden for 7 hours?
Carry a tire kit if you need to.
I just don't get it.

Nah, swapping to another bike or a quick wheel change is what they want. That takes seconds. A tire kit takes minutes.


That's what I'm saying. If it's a competition make it a competition. Make it fun for the spectators.

Some of the best golfing matches have been played with only one club. The best one I ever saw was six players using the SAME club.  They weren't professional matches... but they were fun for the SPECTATOR.
 
2021-07-23 11:50:40 PM  

BadCosmonaut: solokumba: Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: I just don't understand the team cars in this race. It seems stupid to me.
Also, why do they pull racers that are far in the back?

Team cars carry spare parts and, indeed, spare bikes.

I think what you're asking about "pulling riders" is when they tuck in to get back on the bunch... I guess it carries over to the Olympics but, generally, they are helping riders who fall back for supplies or medical care. You're not allowed to draft behind your own team car but it's pretty accepted that other teams help each other out because  these guys (that fall back and bring bottles up) aren't really going to compete for the win and they are really doing the most work... also guys that have mechanical probs (even if they may win) get a helping hand to catch back on as well.

I just don't get it. Start with a bike. End with a bike. Are these bikes that shiatty they can't be ridden for 7 hours?
Carry a tire kit if you need to.
I just don't get it.

Frames are carbon fiber and very stiff. The frames can crack on rough roads. Normally the front fork will crack. High speed and rough roads don't mix.


No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.
 
2021-07-23 11:51:01 PM  
*frames break in crashes but that's different
 
2021-07-23 11:52:18 PM  

eddie_irvine: BadCosmonaut: Isn't the time cut for TdF +30 minutes from the peloton?
I think olympics would be the same.

No, it's kind of complicated - like my love life. This article explains it: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/how​-do-tour-de-france-time-cuts-work


TdF always has weird rules for everything. I always took it that rule of thumb was +30 mins from peloton.
Thanks for the article.  Good reference.
 
2021-07-23 11:55:19 PM  

Monty_Zoncolan: ---
No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.
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Yes, they do crack and break during races
 
2021-07-23 11:56:31 PM  
That was not a "I was just riding along" on cobbles or rough roads situation.
 
2021-07-23 11:56:55 PM  

BadCosmonaut: solokumba: Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: I just don't understand the team cars in this race. It seems stupid to me.
Also, why do they pull racers that are far in the back?

Team cars carry spare parts and, indeed, spare bikes.

I think what you're asking about "pulling riders" is when they tuck in to get back on the bunch... I guess it carries over to the Olympics but, generally, they are helping riders who fall back for supplies or medical care. You're not allowed to draft behind your own team car but it's pretty accepted that other teams help each other out because  these guys (that fall back and bring bottles up) aren't really going to compete for the win and they are really doing the most work... also guys that have mechanical probs (even if they may win) get a helping hand to catch back on as well.

I just don't get it. Start with a bike. End with a bike. Are these bikes that shiatty they can't be ridden for 7 hours?
Carry a tire kit if you need to.
I just don't get it.

Frames are carbon fiber and very stiff. The frames can crack on rough roads. Normally the front fork will crack. High speed and rough roads don't mix.


I had a 10 speed I took on bike trails in the 70's. It wasn't made from carbon fiber. It never broke.
I just don't get it.
 
2021-07-23 11:58:27 PM  

solokumba: BadCosmonaut: solokumba: Monty_Zoncolan: solokumba: I just don't understand the team cars in this race. It seems stupid to me.
Also, why do they pull racers that are far in the back?

Team cars carry spare parts and, indeed, spare bikes.

I think what you're asking about "pulling riders" is when they tuck in to get back on the bunch... I guess it carries over to the Olympics but, generally, they are helping riders who fall back for supplies or medical care. You're not allowed to draft behind your own team car but it's pretty accepted that other teams help each other out because  these guys (that fall back and bring bottles up) aren't really going to compete for the win and they are really doing the most work... also guys that have mechanical probs (even if they may win) get a helping hand to catch back on as well.

I just don't get it. Start with a bike. End with a bike. Are these bikes that shiatty they can't be ridden for 7 hours?
Carry a tire kit if you need to.
I just don't get it.

Frames are carbon fiber and very stiff. The frames can crack on rough roads. Normally the front fork will crack. High speed and rough roads don't mix.

I had a 10 speed I took on bike trails in the 70's. It wasn't made from carbon fiber. It never broke.
I just don't get it.


It was also super heavy
 
2021-07-23 11:58:39 PM  

Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.


https://www.google.com/search?q=crack​e​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.
 
2021-07-23 11:59:41 PM  

BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.


Then why use it for a stressful race?
 
2021-07-24 12:00:00 AM  

solokumba: I had a 10 speed I took on bike trails in the 70's. It wasn't made from carbon fiber. It never broke.
I just don't get it.


Frame made was from steel. Steel is malleable.
 
2021-07-24 12:01:09 AM  

solokumba: BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.

Then why use it for a stressful race?


Carbon fiber and titanium are significantly lighter than steel and aluminum. Cycling has a huge focus on weight.
 
2021-07-24 12:02:10 AM  
If these bikes all broke all the time I think you'd have heard some pretty large consumer outcry. A Steel bike is as durable as a carbon bike is as durable as an aluminum bike is as durable as a titanium bike.
 
2021-07-24 12:04:15 AM  

BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.


Stress? You mean like the stress of a crash? Failures happen, but failures that happen during normal riding isn't very common. Sure, sometimes there are defects, but they are pretty rare. There's a term in the industry for people who claim that their frame broke during normal riding: JRA. Just Riding Along.
 
2021-07-24 12:04:24 AM  

solokumba: BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.

Then why use it for a stressful race?


Because you can give guys a new one if it breaks because it affords the fastest and lightest frame
 
2021-07-24 12:05:09 AM  

eddie_irvine: BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.

Stress? You mean like the stress of a crash? Failures happen, but failures that happen during normal riding isn't very common. Sure, sometimes there are defects, but they are pretty rare. There's a term in the industry for people who claim that their frame broke during normal riding: JRA. Just Riding Along.


Road racing isn't really JRA
 
2021-07-24 12:08:29 AM  
Yes, road racing IS JRA, albeit a bit faster.

How many bikes have you broken? Are you a dirt jumper or a BMX rider? Maybe downhill MTB? Monoe of those? Then You probably have a warranty issue. Bike frames don't just break.
 
2021-07-24 12:08:33 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: eddie_irvine: BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.

Stress? You mean like the stress of a crash? Failures happen, but failures that happen during normal riding isn't very common. Sure, sometimes there are defects, but they are pretty rare. There's a term in the industry for people who claim that their frame broke during normal riding: JRA. Just Riding Along.

Road racing isn't really JRA


No, it isn't, but it's a very extremely rare occasion that a frame fails even under a WorldTour rider without a crash.
 
2021-07-24 12:09:31 AM  
*Monoe means 'none' around here
 
2021-07-24 12:09:48 AM  

eddie_irvine: cameroncrazy1984: eddie_irvine: BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.

Stress? You mean like the stress of a crash? Failures happen, but failures that happen during normal riding isn't very common. Sure, sometimes there are defects, but they are pretty rare. There's a term in the industry for people who claim that their frame broke during normal riding: JRA. Just Riding Along.

Road racing isn't really JRA

No, it isn't, but it's a very extremely rare occasion that a frame fails even under a WorldTour rider without a crash.


More often than not it's the mechanicals not the frame
 
2021-07-24 12:10:08 AM  
OH LOOK A VALIDATION OF MY POINT
 
2021-07-24 12:11:04 AM  
What makes a man give neutral service? Lust for gold? Power? Or was he just born with a heart full of neutrality?
 
2021-07-24 12:11:25 AM  

TheManofPA: What makes a man give neutral service? Lust for gold? Power? Or was he just born with a heart full of neutrality?


Tell my wife I said "hello"
 
2021-07-24 12:11:44 AM  

BadCosmonaut: solokumba: I had a 10 speed I took on bike trails in the 70's. It wasn't made from carbon fiber. It never broke.
I just don't get it.

Frame made was from steel. Steel is malleable.


Well... as a kid I didn't have the luxury of having 10 bikes made out of bass boat material.
I just don't get it.
I'm sure many think this is .... WAIT RE-CALIBRATING the electronic shifting gears?
 
2021-07-24 12:11:49 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Road racing isn't really JRA



Are you even watching this race? This is the goddamned Olympics and they are just riding along...
 
2021-07-24 12:12:51 AM  

Monty_Zoncolan: cameroncrazy1984: Road racing isn't really JRA


Are you even watching this race? This is the goddamned Olympics and they are just riding along...


Yes I mentioned earlier that the peloton is just off for a ride in the country, but this is obviously not all road racing.
 
2021-07-24 12:13:28 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: OH LOOK A VALIDATION OF MY POINT


My stream dropped... did someone's bike just fall apart?
 
2021-07-24 12:13:56 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: OH LOOK A VALIDATION OF MY POINT


That wasn't a broken frame. It as an unspecified mechanical issue.
 
2021-07-24 12:14:29 AM  

eddie_irvine: cameroncrazy1984: OH LOOK A VALIDATION OF MY POINT

That wasn't a broken frame. It as an unspecified mechanical issue.


cameroncrazy1984: eddie_irvine: cameroncrazy1984: eddie_irvine: BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.

Stress? You mean like the stress of a crash? Failures happen, but failures that happen during normal riding isn't very common. Sure, sometimes there are defects, but they are pretty rare. There's a term in the industry for people who claim that their frame broke during normal riding: JRA. Just Riding Along.

Road racing isn't really JRA

No, it isn't, but it's a very extremely rare occasion that a frame fails even under a WorldTour rider without a crash.

More often than not it's the mechanicals not the frame

 
2021-07-24 12:15:23 AM  

Monty_Zoncolan: cameroncrazy1984: OH LOOK A VALIDATION OF MY POINT

My stream dropped... did someone's bike just fall apart?


They gave him the wrong onboard computer for shifting uphill.
 
2021-07-24 12:15:30 AM  
right on
 
2021-07-24 12:15:40 AM  
You said a road race. I was expecting cars or motorcycles, Not spandex and children's' toys. Maybe they'll be some epic crashes. Otherwise, all the entertainment value of watching paint dry.
 
2021-07-24 12:18:05 AM  

ChopperCharles: You said a road race. I was expecting cars or motorcycles, Not spandex and children's' toys. Maybe they'll be some epic crashes. Otherwise, all the entertainment value of watching paint dry.


Maybe they should introduce cars and motorcycles during soccer matches.
 
2021-07-24 12:18:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: eddie_irvine: cameroncrazy1984: OH LOOK A VALIDATION OF MY POINT

That wasn't a broken frame. It as an unspecified mechanical issue.

cameroncrazy1984: eddie_irvine: cameroncrazy1984: eddie_irvine: BadCosmonaut: Monty_Zoncolan: No... frames don't crack, that just doesn't happen. That would be unsafe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cracke​d+carbon+bike+frame

Carbon fiber can crack when under stress.

Stress? You mean like the stress of a crash? Failures happen, but failures that happen during normal riding isn't very common. Sure, sometimes there are defects, but they are pretty rare. There's a term in the industry for people who claim that their frame broke during normal riding: JRA. Just Riding Along.

Road racing isn't really JRA

No, it isn't, but it's a very extremely rare occasion that a frame fails even under a WorldTour rider without a crash.

More often than not it's the mechanicals not the frame


Oh, got it. Got you mixed up with the frame breaking guy. My bad.
 
2021-07-24 12:18:26 AM  
With 160 km to go in 29'C heat with high humidity?, I'm not surprised that peloton is trying to conserve their energy for the last two mountains in the race.
 
2021-07-24 12:19:19 AM  

ChopperCharles: You said a road race. I was expecting cars or motorcycles, Not spandex and children's' toys. Maybe they'll be some epic crashes. Otherwise, all the entertainment value of watching paint dry.


You were expecting motorsports in the Olympics? I bet you're a fave down at the sports book.
 
2021-07-24 12:19:48 AM  

nanim: With 160 km to go in 29'C heat with high humidity?, I'm not surprised that peloton is trying to conserve their energy for the last two mountains in the race.


On the one hand this isn't exactly the Pyrenees. On the other hand, it's been a week since the Tour.
 
2021-07-24 12:20:14 AM  

ChopperCharles: You said a road race. I was expecting cars or motorcycles, Not spandex and children's' toys. Maybe they'll be some epic crashes. Otherwise, all the entertainment value of watching paint dry.


So, do you consider American football, baseball, basketball, etc... sports with children's toys? If not, explain your redneck opinion.
 
2021-07-24 12:20:40 AM  
Which car is winning?
 
2021-07-24 12:21:26 AM  

solokumba: Which car is winning?


LeClerc since Hamilton spun Max out on the first lap.
 
2021-07-24 12:23:11 AM  
Theoretically you could bet on the first car across the finish line at every UCI race... prolly low odds because it'll always be the Commissar.
 
2021-07-24 12:24:06 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: solokumba: Which car is winning?

LeClerc since Hamilton spun Max out on the first lap.


Hey, Fernando Alonso is an avid cyclist. Also, I ran into Jenson Button while riding near Nice France. A lot of motor racers train on a bike.
 
2021-07-24 12:24:50 AM  
Ooofah! Geraint having a bad patch.
 
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