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(KING 5 News)   Three weeks after one of the most highly vaccinated counties in the US dropped its masking directive, that county again recommends all people wear masks in indoor public spaces   (king5.com) divider line
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2021-07-24 4:58:17 AM  
Spermbot:

So, you distrust both the physical vaccination cards and digital versions of the same?


No. But how can I access that information in Walmart on a Tuesday?  Will you show me your birth certificate and tax returns too?

And you can forge a vaccine card. Some magats already have done.  Even assuming you'd show complete strangers upon request,  getting close enough to see if it's real or a fake endangers the people who can't vax.

But a mask? You can see it. From a long ways off.  and you can also fake a mask, but you can spot that from a long ways off too. and you don't have to ask nobody for nothing.  photons bounce freely off the mask.

So no, you don't have to mask if everyone is fully vaxxed and knows it, like in a small office or at home or at the private members only sex club/buffet.

But if you go out to a mall or something, you're just being a dick not masking and emboldening the magats.
 
2021-07-24 5:02:03 AM  
leeksfromchichis:

Sorry spermbot. I should have read to the end

cheers!
 
2021-07-24 6:41:25 AM  
At a certain point, as terrible as it may sound, you may just have to let people who refuse to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their actions rather than keep the 2020 stuff going forever. We can't go on literally forever locking shiat down, mandating masks, etc... Yes... there will be a spike, but this time... it's going to pretty much be people who refuse vaccination (which is free, even without insurance, and available at every pharmacy I have seen, even without an appointment). Every single person I know is vaccinated for COVID including myself, so I'm not really super worried about myself (I worked as an essential worker the whole time, including before I got vaccinated and haven't has even a sniffle since 2019. No one I know has either. I figure my chances now are very slim). According to studies, the vaccines work on the delta varient too, and studies also have shown that the people getting covid now are pretty much non-vaccinated people, with a tiny fraction (must be the 5% of cases) who are.

I mean.. either the vaccines work or they don't. The facts show they do, but politicians are still acting like they don't, mostly out of fear. There is something to be said about using prudent caution vs. utter paranoia. And yes... I still wear a mask at work all day, but it sure is nice to take that thing off when I'm done working.
 
2021-07-24 6:41:30 AM  

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I had never heard "gammon" before. I like it.
 
2021-07-24 7:15:09 AM  

SimonElectric: As someone living in one of the US's most highly vaccinated counties, I can tell you that a lot of people are not waiting for some mandate because it is pretty much a no-brainer at this point to see how quickly cases can skyrocket and that with more cases there will be more breakout cases and add to that any new mutations that don't give a flying f! about any vaccine.

All in all you look at some other states and wonder if their governors get a kick out of watching people die needlessly.


Yes.  They are.
 
2021-07-24 9:13:08 AM  
The CDC has not made a correct assertion the first time around for the entire pandemic. Not once. So when they said "You don't have to wear a mask anymore if you're vaccinated" I just instinctively ignored them and kept wearing a mask.

The problem, and this is a REAL problem, is that the CDC is also urging people to get vaccinated, which is correct. However, since they've waffled for so long about masking mandates and isolation rules, they don't have any credibility left. I don't agree with people who refuse the vaccination because they don't trust the CDC, but I understand where that position comes from. When they inevitably tell people to mask up again, it's just going to be another notch in their extremely poor track record.

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2021-07-24 9:15:36 AM  

sizzurpingDerp: At a certain point, as terrible as it may sound, you may just have to let people who refuse to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their actions rather than keep the 2020 stuff going forever. We can't go on literally forever locking shiat down, mandating masks, etc... Yes... there will be a spike, but this time... it's going to pretty much be people who refuse vaccination (which is free, even without insurance, and available at every pharmacy I have seen, even without an appointment). Every single person I know is vaccinated for COVID including myself, so I'm not really super worried about myself (I worked as an essential worker the whole time, including before I got vaccinated and haven't has even a sniffle since 2019. No one I know has either. I figure my chances now are very slim). According to studies, the vaccines work on the delta varient too, and studies also have shown that the people getting covid now are pretty much non-vaccinated people, with a tiny fraction (must be the 5% of cases) who are.

I mean.. either the vaccines work or they don't. The facts show they do, but politicians are still acting like they don't, mostly out of fear. There is something to be said about using prudent caution vs. utter paranoia. And yes... I still wear a mask at work all day, but it sure is nice to take that thing off when I'm done working.


The problem is that the longer the virus is out there, the better the chance that it mutates into something the vaccine WON'T be able to protect against. The unvaccinated aren't hurting just themselves, they're hurting other people, including people who medically cannot get the vaccine or who medically don't respond to the vaccine.
 
2021-07-24 9:44:22 AM  

Lsherm: sizzurpingDerp: At a certain point, as terrible as it may sound, you may just have to let people who refuse to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their actions rather than keep the 2020 stuff going forever. We can't go on literally forever locking shiat down, mandating masks, etc... Yes... there will be a spike, but this time... it's going to pretty much be people who refuse vaccination (which is free, even without insurance, and available at every pharmacy I have seen, even without an appointment). Every single person I know is vaccinated for COVID including myself, so I'm not really super worried about myself (I worked as an essential worker the whole time, including before I got vaccinated and haven't has even a sniffle since 2019. No one I know has either. I figure my chances now are very slim). According to studies, the vaccines work on the delta varient too, and studies also have shown that the people getting covid now are pretty much non-vaccinated people, with a tiny fraction (must be the 5% of cases) who are.

I mean.. either the vaccines work or they don't. The facts show they do, but politicians are still acting like they don't, mostly out of fear. There is something to be said about using prudent caution vs. utter paranoia. And yes... I still wear a mask at work all day, but it sure is nice to take that thing off when I'm done working.

The problem is that the longer the virus is out there, the better the chance that it mutates into something the vaccine WON'T be able to protect against. The unvaccinated aren't hurting just themselves, they're hurting other people, including people who medically cannot get the vaccine or who medically don't respond to the vaccine.


Fair points. My criticism is mostly for people who lie about being vaccinated just to not wear masks. At some point... they made their bed. Now it's time for the nanny state to let them lie in it and let vaccinated people start to normalize their existence a bit. I may be a little salty having worked masked (etc) the last year an a half while many sat comfortably in their homes going to 'work' on zoom. I'm VERY fatigued dealing with working in the COVID environment and it is very helpfully psychologically to have at least a few normalish hours a day where I'm not breathing my own breath for 10-12 hours a day, getting dehydrated cause I have to go long spells with a mask on, etc... I got my vaccine. I don't want to be collectively punished because some assholes chose not to because of ludicrous theories about 5G towers and mind control or whatever. At a certain point, this shiat needs to end, and there is no scenario that exist or ever will in a free society where 100% of the population gets vaccinated.
 
2021-07-24 10:07:54 AM  
I hope the reasonable, trivially-easy-but-super-effective precautions crowd never gets tired of saying "I told you so".
 
2021-07-24 10:29:43 AM  
Fark them. I got my vaccine. I masked up for a year+. I won the right to go maskless.

This kowtowing to idiots in order to help idiots needs to stop. Let them die. We've gotten to the point where we're literally throwing out vaccines because they've expired before anyone wants them.

I'm not wearing a mask to help these idiots anymore. You had eight months. GFY if you haven't gotten a shot yet.
 
2021-07-24 10:32:06 AM  

Lsherm: sizzurpingDerp: At a certain point, as terrible as it may sound, you may just have to let people who refuse to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their actions rather than keep the 2020 stuff going forever. We can't go on literally forever locking shiat down, mandating masks, etc... Yes... there will be a spike, but this time... it's going to pretty much be people who refuse vaccination (which is free, even without insurance, and available at every pharmacy I have seen, even without an appointment). Every single person I know is vaccinated for COVID including myself, so I'm not really super worried about myself (I worked as an essential worker the whole time, including before I got vaccinated and haven't has even a sniffle since 2019. No one I know has either. I figure my chances now are very slim). According to studies, the vaccines work on the delta varient too, and studies also have shown that the people getting covid now are pretty much non-vaccinated people, with a tiny fraction (must be the 5% of cases) who are.

I mean.. either the vaccines work or they don't. The facts show they do, but politicians are still acting like they don't, mostly out of fear. There is something to be said about using prudent caution vs. utter paranoia. And yes... I still wear a mask at work all day, but it sure is nice to take that thing off when I'm done working.

The problem is that the longer the virus is out there, the better the chance that it mutates into something the vaccine WON'T be able to protect against. The unvaccinated aren't hurting just themselves, they're hurting other people, including people who medically cannot get the vaccine or who medically don't respond to the vaccine.


The majority of the world isn't vaccinated and there are far worse situations for variants worldwide. The idiots in America will not be responsible for the variant that breaks the vaccines.

It'll be India. Or Brazil. Or Argentina. Or Sub-Saharan Africa.
 
2021-07-24 10:39:34 AM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: The majority of the world isn't vaccinated and there are far worse situations for variants worldwide. The idiots in America will not be responsible for the variant that breaks the vaccines.


Realistically, they could be. That's the problem.

You're right, statistically India is the likely area a new variant will come from, but it's not a 100%.
 
2021-07-24 12:30:46 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Lsherm: sizzurpingDerp: At a certain point, as terrible as it may sound, you may just have to let people who refuse to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their actions rather than keep the 2020 stuff going forever. We can't go on literally forever locking shiat down, mandating masks, etc... Yes... there will be a spike, but this time... it's going to pretty much be people who refuse vaccination (which is free, even without insurance, and available at every pharmacy I have seen, even without an appointment). Every single person I know is vaccinated for COVID including myself, so I'm not really super worried about myself (I worked as an essential worker the whole time, including before I got vaccinated and haven't has even a sniffle since 2019. No one I know has either. I figure my chances now are very slim). According to studies, the vaccines work on the delta varient too, and studies also have shown that the people getting covid now are pretty much non-vaccinated people, with a tiny fraction (must be the 5% of cases) who are.

I mean.. either the vaccines work or they don't. The facts show they do, but politicians are still acting like they don't, mostly out of fear. There is something to be said about using prudent caution vs. utter paranoia. And yes... I still wear a mask at work all day, but it sure is nice to take that thing off when I'm done working.

The problem is that the longer the virus is out there, the better the chance that it mutates into something the vaccine WON'T be able to protect against. The unvaccinated aren't hurting just themselves, they're hurting other people, including people who medically cannot get the vaccine or who medically don't respond to the vaccine.

The majority of the world isn't vaccinated and there are far worse situations for variants worldwide. The idiots in America will not be responsible for the variant that breaks the vaccines.

It'll be India. Or Brazil. Or Argentina. Or Sub-Saharan Africa.


A vaccine resistant strain has no selection to become dominant in a population that is not significantly vaccinated.

A vaccine resistant virus does not have any advantage over a non-resistant one when neither of them will ever encounter a vaccinated host.  In bacteria, antibiotic resistance is even a disadvantage if there's no antibiotic, though it's probably different for viruses.

However, in a mixed population of vaxxed and unvaxxed hosts, the vaccine resistant one has a huge advantage and can become dominant.

Partially vaccinated populations are exactly where you expect a strongly resistant strain to arise.
 
2021-07-24 1:00:14 PM  

Inebriated Bolshevik Muppet: Yup, I'm wearing masks everytime I step inside any place that isn't my home for the foreseeable future. I'm on the waiting list for Project Hazel, even.


That's just smart cat-burgling.  Don't pat yourself on the back too hard there Mr. Second Story Muppet.
 
2021-07-24 2:24:09 PM  

Stud Gerbil: It's a 120-day cycle since the beginning of this crap.   I sure as hell hope we don't hit anywhere near the max we hit last winter but even half that would be awful.   Based on vax rates, half might be about what we will get.


Be prepared for at least double without boosters.
 
2021-07-24 4:40:59 PM  

Lsherm: The CDC has not made a correct assertion the first time around for the entire pandemic. Not once. So when they said "You don't have to wear a mask anymore if you're vaccinated" I just instinctively ignored them and kept wearing a mask.

The problem, and this is a REAL problem, is that the CDC is also urging people to get vaccinated, which is correct. However, since they've waffled for so long about masking mandates and isolation rules, they don't have any credibility left. I don't agree with people who refuse the vaccination because they don't trust the CDC, but I understand where that position comes from. When they inevitably tell people to mask up again, it's just going to be another notch in their extremely poor track record.

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So I can't make fun of MTG's toe, but you're allowed to sympathize with anti-vaxxers because the CDC can't predict the future. Whatever
 
2021-07-24 8:18:29 PM  

chawco: WTP 2: masks are required...

this message has benn brought to you by 3M, can we keep doing this until every employee is a millionaire ?

What an incredibly stupid post.

As if any company cared enough about their average employees to share massive profits with them.


i was torn between democrats and workers,
next time i will put them both in, and there will be a next time...
 
2021-07-25 11:13:21 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Spermbot:

So, you distrust both the physical vaccination cards and digital versions of the same?


No. But how can I access that information in Walmart on a Tuesday?  Will you show me your birth certificate and tax returns too?

And you can forge a vaccine card. Some magats already have done.  Even assuming you'd show complete strangers upon request,  getting close enough to see if it's real or a fake endangers the people who can't vax.

But a mask? You can see it. From a long ways off.  and you can also fake a mask, but you can spot that from a long ways off too. and you don't have to ask nobody for nothing.  photons bounce freely off the mask.

So no, you don't have to mask if everyone is fully vaxxed and knows it, like in a small office or at home or at the private members only sex club/buffet.

But if you go out to a mall or something, you're just being a dick not masking and emboldening the magats.


The vaccine card is easier to forge than a jr high hall pass
 
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