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4 days ago  
Nice. This article is almost science-free.

I'm ok with this. Plants don't have the machinery to suffer the way livestock does. And that livestock is also eating plants, Ten times as much in weight per unit of meat. So vegetarianism remains the lessor evil as fewer plants are consumed in total.

Plants' "experience" of pain is free of a brain or nervous system.

Although by that criteria, subby is on the menu too .

I'm not necessarily vegetarian because of animal cruelty, although it's certainly in the top 5 of my reasons.

/Totally fine with cruelty to subby though.
 
4 days ago  
h hill frutarian
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4 days ago  
How is this bad news? The one thing I really miss about meat consumption is the knowledge that another living thing died a brutal, painful death so that I could enjoy the fleeting pleasure of a Big Mac. Thanks for putting the sauce of cruelty back on the menu, subby. I'll enjoy my next salad just a little bit more now.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
Carrot Juice is Murder
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4 days ago  

yohohogreengiant: I'm not necessarily vegetarian because of animal cruelty


done in one.

/Chess-mate on your low-effort headline, Subby!
 
4 days ago  
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Eye see you.
 
4 days ago  

dailygrinds: How is this bad news? The one thing I really miss about meat consumption is the knowledge that another living thing died a brutal, painful death so that I could enjoy the fleeting pleasure of a Big Mac. Thanks for putting the sauce of cruelty back on the menu, subby. I'll enjoy my next salad just a little bit more now.


See this right here? This is the quality posting I expect on Fark, subby. Take note and stop farking around in the bush leagues.
 
4 days ago  
Anyone who has ever done battle with wild blackberry bushes knows that they are conscious -- conscious and malevolent. It would be very satisfying if they screamed when you cut them.
 
4 days ago  
"I'm not a vegetarian to save animals.  I'm a vegetarian to kill more plants."
 
4 days ago  
"I excitedly imagined what Baluska's kind of plant research would look like: well-equipped laboratories with plants all over the place monitored by elaborate apparatuses finally giving up their secrets. That was something I absolutely had to see."

I might have reached the end of this potentially interesting article if it was not authored by a self-absorbed, dull cretin.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
I understand the whole vegan argument about the cruelty to the animals.  Because yeah, a lot of that shiat is better left unseen.

But if one were to be truly "vegan", in that no animals of any kind come to harm, that's just not a plausible concept.

A whole helluva lot of animals, usually of very small size, are absolutely harmed in the course of farming.  Granted, those animals don't have eyebrows, and are not cute...  But countless billions of them are slaughtered in every process of farming from planting to harvest.  And no one seems to give a crap about that.

Let's just admit that not all animals have an equal life value.

I admit that we needs some pretty damn serious reform in our animal farming.  Because a lot of that is just really farked up.  But we humans have to live.  There are a LOT of us to sustain.  And like everything else in this world, the almighty dollar dictates how and if things change.

I'm doing my part today, at least.  I'm making a pesto pizza with tomatoes and broccoli.  The tomatoes I grew myself.  I'm sure there was still plenty of cruelty in the other ingredients.  Especially the cheese.
 
4 days ago  

August11: Baluska's


I want to make a stupid Batushka joke but... it's just not worth it.


/read: I can't make it funny.  Or interesting.  Or anything, really.
 
4 days ago  

durbnpoisn: I understand the whole vegan argument about the cruelty to the animals.  Because yeah, a lot of that shiat is better left unseen.

But if one were to be truly "vegan", in that no animals of any kind come to harm, that's just not a plausible concept.

A whole helluva lot of animals, usually of very small size, are absolutely harmed in the course of farming.  Granted, those animals don't have eyebrows, and are not cute...  But countless billions of them are slaughtered in every process of farming from planting to harvest.  And no one seems to give a crap about that.

Let's just admit that not all animals have an equal life value.

I admit that we needs some pretty damn serious reform in our animal farming.  Because a lot of that is just really farked up.  But we humans have to live.  There are a LOT of us to sustain.  And like everything else in this world, the almighty dollar dictates how and if things change.

I'm doing my part today, at least.  I'm making a pesto pizza with tomatoes and broccoli.  The tomatoes I grew myself.  I'm sure there was still plenty of cruelty in the other ingredients.  Especially the cheese.


I could go even further and say every being that has incarnated in this reality has a soul contract where the end date was set in stone, and you are literally born to die.

But then I'd get laughed at for saying "soul contract" and I'd have to hide in shame

/which would STILL be funnier than any Batushka joke
 
4 days ago  
Revenge!!!

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4 days ago  
Ferngully was a documentary that was filmed in real time.
 
4 days ago  

Myk-House of El: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/wqzHH85W​Iwg]


We would also have accepted
Disgustipated
Youtube b2BKKeiYH24
 
4 days ago  

dailygrinds: How is this bad news? The one thing I really miss about meat consumption is the knowledge that another living thing died a brutal, painful death so that I could enjoy the fleeting pleasure of a Big Mac. Thanks for putting the sauce of cruelty back on the menu, subby. I'll enjoy my next salad just a little bit more now.


Can't we all just enjoy a good fillet of beef schadenfreude?
 
3 days ago  
Bad news vegans could be another little league baseball remake.
 
3 days ago  

AstroJesus: Bad news vegans could be another little league baseball remake.


omang I would watch the hell out of that!
 
3 days ago  
also what was that one ancient "study" about yogurts communicating telepathically.
 
3 days ago  

tintar: AstroJesus: Bad news vegans could be another little league baseball remake.

omang I would watch the hell out of that!


*sigh*        Alright, I'm forwarding your comment to Hollywood producers; I'll have the script ready by Monday.
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  
Ummm...we know that plants see. They just mostly DGAF about anything that isn't a giant exploding ball of gas in the sky, or a shadow.
 
3 days ago  
These vegan threads always render down to; 'Eat what you wanna eat, and stop sh*tting on folks who choose eat differently'.

That being said, some folks are pretentious c*nts. Who seem to need everyone within earshot to know they're saving "Gaia". C*nts piss me off...
For example: A couple days ago, I'm waiting in line at the deli and a handsome gentleman ahead of me is chatting up a gorgeous brunette ahead of him. She gets her cold cuts and moves to the side while he orders and to continue talking. He asks the gal behind the counter for 7 ounces of ham, and after its sliced he tells her not to wrap it up he'll just take in the paper. She tells him she can't do that. He turns to the brunette and goes off about how he's trying to lower his carbon footprint and that the grocery stores aren't helping with all their plastic wrapping. The deli gal politely tells him she can't just give him loose meat, to which he replies, "I'm just going to eat it in the truck anyways".  The deli supervisor walks over and tells the gal to wrap it up, then turns to the handsome assclown and says "The meat is wrapped for your safety and ours, the ladies in checkout won't handle open meat."Argument over. Meanwhile, the brunette has left the chat.
I get my orders and checkout, only to see the gentleman climbing into his jacked up diesel F350. Yep, a proper c*nt...

Anyhoo, stupid story. Do as you please, just try not to be c*nt about it, mmmkay?

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/editors note: I didn't make any of those memes. ;)
 
3 days ago  
When The Uncoveror covered this two decades ago, people laughed, but the plants have been crying all along!
http://uncoveror.com/plants.htm
 
3 days ago  
Waiting for somebody to explain why it is the Chevy VAY-GA but if you dont eat Bahbahque your a VEE-gan.

Come on
 
3 days ago  

mekkab: August11: Baluska's

I want to make a stupid Batushka joke but... it's just not worth it.


/read: I can't make it funny.  Or interesting.  Or anything, really.


Your brain is a slug. Slug on, warrior!
 
3 days ago  

Professor Science: Myk-House of El: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/wqzHH85W​Iwg]

We would also have accepted
[YouTube video: Disgustipated]


Yeah. Just so we're clear. That's some serious crap. Like crap of the crap.
 
3 days ago  
Veggie Kill From Seattles "Almost Live"
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3 days ago  

tintar: also what was that one ancient "study" about yogurts communicating telepathically.


you might have something there, they are all pcked together, chillin'...
 
3 days ago  
The Meatatarians are going to eat you

/for lunch
 
3 days ago  
Wow, that makes me value life less
 
3 days ago  
I named my yellow lab Vegan. He picks up my dead animals and cripples during hunting season for me and loves it.  Nothing better than when I tell someone his name and they get all cheery and ask "awwwe, so he's got a healthy diet and doesn't eat meat?" The look I get when I explain the irony and tell them he's rewarded with duck hearts and livers is priceless.
 
3 days ago  

The Red Zone: I named my yellow lab Vegan. He picks up my dead animals and cripples during hunting season for me and loves it.  Nothing better than when I tell someone his name and they get all cheery and ask "awwwe, so he's got a healthy diet and doesn't eat meat?" The look I get when I explain the irony and tell them he's rewarded with duck hearts and livers is priceless.


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3 days ago  

The Red Zone: The Red Zone: I named my yellow lab Vegan. He picks up my dead animals and cripples during hunting season for me and loves it.  Nothing better than when I tell someone his name and they get all cheery and ask "awwwe, so he's got a healthy diet and doesn't eat meat?" The look I get when I explain the irony and tell them he's rewarded with duck hearts and livers is priceless.

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Handsome hound. Beautiful photo!
 
3 days ago  

Redh8t: The Red Zone: The Red Zone: I named my yellow lab Vegan. He picks up my dead animals and cripples during hunting season for me and loves it.  Nothing better than when I tell someone his name and they get all cheery and ask "awwwe, so he's got a healthy diet and doesn't eat meat?" The look I get when I explain the irony and tell them he's rewarded with duck hearts and livers is priceless.

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Handsome hound. Beautiful photo!


Thank you!
 
3 days ago  
 
3 days ago  
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This is what you get when an omnivore decides it wants to be an herbivore.  The worst bear at being a bear.  They went endangered and almost extinct because they were so low energy they weren't even mating without a helping... Hand.

Humans are omnivores.  Yes, commercial meat production is warped and cruel.  No, that doesn't mean we should stop eating meat.  It means we need to fix current production.  Dogs, also omnivores - because we genetically manipulated them over thousands of years.  Cats?  Obligate carnivores.  Note the term obligate.  Trying to force a pet to be vegan when it biologically cannot is more cruel in my opinion than slaughtering and consuming prey animals.
 
3 days ago  

The Red Zone: I named my yellow lab Vegan. He picks up my dead animals and cripples during hunting season for me and loves it.  Nothing better than when I tell someone his name and they get all cheery and ask "awwwe, so he's got a healthy diet and doesn't eat meat?" The look I get when I explain the irony and tell them he's rewarded with duck hearts and livers is priceless.


Are kids your age even equipped to handle the responsibility of owning a yellow lab?
 
3 days ago  

The Darkest Timeline: The Red Zone: I named my yellow lab Vegan. He picks up my dead animals and cripples during hunting season for me and loves it.  Nothing better than when I tell someone his name and they get all cheery and ask "awwwe, so he's got a healthy diet and doesn't eat meat?" The look I get when I explain the irony and tell them he's rewarded with duck hearts and livers is priceless.

Are kids your age even equipped to handle the responsibility of owning a yellow lab?


It's a yellow lab, not a meth lab.  Calm down, Walt
 
3 days ago  

yohohogreengiant: Nice. This article is almost science-free.

I'm ok with this. Plants don't have the machinery to suffer the way livestock does. And that livestock is also eating plants, Ten times as much in weight per unit of meat. So vegetarianism remains the lessor evil as fewer plants are consumed in total.

Plants' "experience" of pain is free of a brain or nervous system.

Although by that criteria, subby is on the menu too .

I'm not necessarily vegetarian because of animal cruelty, although it's certainly in the top 5 of my reasons.

/Totally fine with cruelty to subby though.


username checks out

/in an odd sort of way
 
3 days ago  

durbnpoisn: I understand the whole vegan argument about the cruelty to the animals.  Because yeah, a lot of that shiat is better left unseen.

But if one were to be truly "vegan", in that no animals of any kind come to harm, that's just not a plausible concept.

A whole helluva lot of animals, usually of very small size, are absolutely harmed in the course of farming.  Granted, those animals don't have eyebrows, and are not cute...  But countless billions of them are slaughtered in every process of farming from planting to harvest.  And no one seems to give a crap about that.

Let's just admit that not all animals have an equal life value.

I admit that we needs some pretty damn serious reform in our animal farming.  Because a lot of that is just really farked up.  But we humans have to live.  There are a LOT of us to sustain.  And like everything else in this world, the almighty dollar dictates how and if things change.


The Australian study that was done on this that is frequently cited was flawed. They counted the number of animals in a field before and after harvest, but not how they died. It was just assumed that the reduction in animals in the field was all due to being killed during harvest. Some percentage probably did die in the harvest, but others probably died due to increased predation (lack of cover) and others probably just moved to a different field. It's really hard to quantify how many animals are actually killed this way, but "billions" of animals is probably too high. This article talks about it a bit and some of the other ethical questions regarding field animals.

https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/​2​018/07/how-many-animals-killed-in-agri​culture/
 
3 days ago  

cousin-merle: durbnpoisn: I understand the whole vegan argument about the cruelty to the animals.  Because yeah, a lot of that shiat is better left unseen.

But if one were to be truly "vegan", in that no animals of any kind come to harm, that's just not a plausible concept.

A whole helluva lot of animals, usually of very small size, are absolutely harmed in the course of farming.  Granted, those animals don't have eyebrows, and are not cute...  But countless billions of them are slaughtered in every process of farming from planting to harvest.  And no one seems to give a crap about that.

Let's just admit that not all animals have an equal life value.

I admit that we needs some pretty damn serious reform in our animal farming.  Because a lot of that is just really farked up.  But we humans have to live.  There are a LOT of us to sustain.  And like everything else in this world, the almighty dollar dictates how and if things change.

The Australian study that was done on this that is frequently cited was flawed. They counted the number of animals in a field before and after harvest, but not how they died. It was just assumed that the reduction in animals in the field was all due to being killed during harvest. Some percentage probably did die in the harvest, but others probably died due to increased predation (lack of cover) and others probably just moved to a different field. It's really hard to quantify how many animals are actually killed this way, but "billions" of animals is probably too high. This article talks about it a bit and some of the other ethical questions regarding field animals.

https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2​018/07/how-many-animals-killed-in-agri​culture/


My "billions" number was indeed pulled out of thin air.  But what I was referring to was all the animals of the worm and insect variety that live on, around, above, and below.  Also, there are the animals that live on all those animals.  And I wasn't even accounting for the animals that live on those animals.
 
3 days ago  

durbnpoisn: My "billions" number was indeed pulled out of thin air.  But what I was referring to was all the animals of the worm and insect variety that live on, around, above, and below.  Also, there are the animals that live on all those animals.  And I wasn't even accounting for the animals that live on those animals.


You said "billions" and that is indeed the estimated number if you extrapolate from that study, as the article points out. But it probably isn't that many.

Vegans do not agree on what sort of insects count as vegan, BTW. Honey is considered not vegan, but that is mostly about the treatment of the bees (wing-clipping and feeding them table sugar when taking too much of their honey).

As far as the animals eating the bugs, that is one of those ethical questions that the article also addresses, like how the food we grew in the field was feeding the animals that got killed.
 
3 days ago  

dailygrinds: How is this bad news? The one thing I really miss about meat consumption is the knowledge that another living thing died a brutal, painful death so that I could enjoy the fleeting pleasure of a Big Mac. Thanks for putting the sauce of cruelty back on the menu, subby. I'll enjoy my next salad just a little bit more now.


For you to live, something else has to die.

We only differ in where we are willing to draw the line.
 
3 days ago  

durbnpoisn: I understand the whole vegan argument about the cruelty to the animals.  Because yeah, a lot of that shiat is better left unseen.

But if one were to be truly "vegan", in that no animals of any kind come to harm, that's just not a plausible concept.

A whole helluva lot of animals, usually of very small size, are absolutely harmed in the course of farming.  Granted, those animals don't have eyebrows, and are not cute...  But countless billions of them are slaughtered in every process of farming from planting to harvest.  And no one seems to give a crap about that.

Let's just admit that not all animals have an equal life value.

I admit that we needs some pretty damn serious reform in our animal farming.  Because a lot of that is just really farked up.  But we humans have to live.  There are a LOT of us to sustain.  And like everything else in this world, the almighty dollar dictates how and if things change.

I'm doing my part today, at least.  I'm making a pesto pizza with tomatoes and broccoli.  The tomatoes I grew myself.  I'm sure there was still plenty of cruelty in the other ingredients.  Especially the cheese.


Cruel Cheese is the name of my Death Metal inspired Muzak ensemble.
 
3 days ago  

tintar: also what was that one ancient "study" about yogurts communicating telepathically.


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