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(KSDK St. Louis)   St. Louis just royally farked up a couple dozen homicide prosecutions, but not to worry - it's not a big murder town, according to city spokesman Ian Faith   (ksdk.com) divider line
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1510 clicks; posted to Politics » on 22 Jul 2021 at 3:14 PM (4 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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4 days ago  
Well, this is going to be fun.
 
4 days ago  
If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?
 
4 days ago  

Ambivalence: And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?


I don't know, but I imagine she would have given a colleague of hers the digital signature file and said "Go ahead and sign it for me" which could be an ethical violation.  Just spit balling here, I'm no lawyer.
 
4 days ago  

Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?


If your boss dumped a dozen projects on your desk while you were on leave, including one that hit deadline during your leave, would you stick around?
 
4 days ago  

Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?


Because it was decided that the fallout would stop there and not reach any higher into the police department leadership.
 
4 days ago  
Cut For Time: Morning News - SNL
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4 days ago  
It's St. Louis Gummint.  You have to go down to the Pen Repository and sign out a pen.  No.  You can't keep it over night.  100% inventory every evening before people are allowed to leave.  Then, you have to tack every signature you make on a STL742-7 Rev3.  Cannot use Rev 2.  Marla will call you at home.  So will Marla's supervisor and your supervisor and your supervisor's supervisor and even Ken in the Motor Pool will get in a call.  He designed STL742-7 way back when it was STL7.

Hey, St. Louis City can tax people who don't live in St. Louis City.  And fark you if you get all Taxation without Representation on them.
 
4 days ago  
The West Wing - Margaret, Leo and the President's signature
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4 days ago  
Assume that she has always had someone else sign the paperwork, and it just never occurred to anyone how glaring an issue it would be when she went on leave because they became so comfortable with the process.
 
4 days ago  

Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?


I'd guess it has to do with avoiding comeuppance for allowing her signature to be used on official documents she had zero familiarity with. If the harshest punishment she can get from the government for that farkup is removal from the position, she'll save everyone time and money (and save herself some of the embarrassment of an actual investigation, which would likely reveal the extent of her farkup) by skipping to the end.

// the state bar might also have some words for her regarding her recordkeeping practices
// they likely won't (see above - no investigation, no factual record for them to refer to)
 
4 days ago  
Skipping the article and about to assign blame by what I read in this thread.
 
4 days ago  

Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?


She has to resign because the first signing was bad, duh!
 
4 days ago  

Bootleg: Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?

If your boss dumped a dozen projects on your desk while you were on leave, including one that hit deadline during your leave, would you stick around?


That is one of the rare cases where shiat flows *uphill*.  If she was on leave, and *if* she properly delegated her current case load, and *if* she didn't hand out her digital sig to a sub... she has no reason to resign.

That being said, there are several dozen relevant questions that the 'journalist' here failed to ask, that require answers...
 
4 days ago  
Missouri really seems to be dedicated to fulfilling that "Show me" thing.

Not in a good way, but still.
 
4 days ago  
Did anybody see in the article she didn't show up for 3 hearings on one case (so probably didn't also on other cases)

I'm guessing that has as much to do with the resignation as the signature thing.
 
4 days ago  

Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?


My thoughts exactly. Very weird story and not nearly enough information to start throwing around shiat about resignations and any thing vaguely depicting accountability.
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?

Because it was decided that the fallout would stop there and not reach any higher into the police department leadership.


Uh, it can't GET any higher, dude. The buck stops on her desk.
 
4 days ago  
For non-law-talkin' folks, this is a Rule 11 issue kind of like the one that the Kraken Team is getting biatch slapped for in Federal court.

She "signed" a bunch of documents attesting to their veracity and truth without having looked at them.

In at least three of the cases she signed off on, the defense attorney didn't get Brady evidence, exculpatory evidence which the defense is entitled to by law.

This is a big deal, especially when verdicts have to be overturned because she got lazy and let her ADA sign stuff with her signature to make herself look good.
 
4 days ago  

Harry Freakstorm: Hey, St. Louis City can tax people who don't live in St. Louis City.


And they can fence off public streets, like where the goofy gun-pullin' people live. I went to school there in the mid-80s, they were doing it then. That always amazed me, very few cities can get away with that to the extent St. Louis does.
 
4 days ago  
I would be researching how to change my name if my name were Ian Filth
 
4 days ago  
Was the pink shirted lawyer with poor trigger discipline on that list..?
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?

Because it was decided that the fallout would stop there and not reach any higher into the police department leadership.


Got nothing to do with the PD.
 
4 days ago  

fsbilly: Gubbo: Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?

Because it was decided that the fallout would stop there and not reach any higher into the police department leadership.

Got nothing to do with the PD.


Yeah I read it as homicide investigator for some reason.
 
4 days ago  

kudayta: I imagine she would have given a colleague of hers the digital signature file and said "Go ahead and sign it for me" which could be an ethical violation


I can only picture some sort of official circumstances where she approves it on a case-by-case basis with a paper trail. Obama was the first President to use the AutoPen to sign legislation with his approval because they couldn't physically get a renewal of something to him before it would expire, but the White House surely has documentation that the President orally approved it and there wasn't a question about that happening in his name without his authorization.
 
4 days ago  
This should be great fodder for defense lawyers with any prior cases she was involved in.

"If she did this in these cases, what else did she do that we don't know about?!"
 
3 days ago  

MarciusDecimus: Ambivalence: If she didn't sign the cases, who did? And if someone else signed her name to them, why is she resigning?

My thoughts exactly. Very weird story and not nearly enough information to start throwing around shiat about resignations and any thing vaguely depicting accountability.


It's your responsibility to control access to your e-signature.
 
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