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(BBC-US)   Pegasus spyware maker: Hey, don't blame us for MAKING this product, blame the evil scumbags we happily sell it to for USING it   (bbc.com) divider line
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2021-07-22 12:45:20 PM  
"criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.
 
2021-07-22 1:37:11 PM  
The maker of powerful spy software allegedly used to hack the phones of innocent people says blaming the company is like "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes".

More like criticizing the maker of the Drunk Joyride Master Key -- Now you can drunk drive most cars regardless of ownership and do any crime you want, workout anyone knowing it was really you behind the wheel!
 
2021-07-22 1:48:40 PM  
The makers of land mines and cluster bombs don't have to put up with this shiat, but then they're not farking with my phone.
 
2021-07-22 2:04:28 PM  
They have a point.
Not a good one and one everyone is going to disregard it and blame them anyway but they do have one.
 
2021-07-22 2:05:44 PM  
there is some precedent for this:

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2021-07-22 2:05:51 PM  
Why not both?
 
2021-07-22 2:06:41 PM  
downstairs:
Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.


They would if they could, and you know it.
 
2021-07-22 2:06:49 PM  

downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.


then wtf do you call a taxi?
 
2021-07-22 2:08:42 PM  
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To keep things in perspective.
 
2021-07-22 2:09:42 PM  
Ah, the "Gun Manufacturer's" gambit.
 
2021-07-22 2:12:34 PM  
A car manufacturer isn't selling subscriptions to a curated whitelist of customers for product expressely designed and marketed to break into people's private devices and data with no other meaningful purpose.
 
2021-07-22 2:13:33 PM  
Why not? Its what gun manufacturers do.
 
2021-07-22 2:15:02 PM  
"We're not criminals!!  We're just a legitimate company that makes tools for criminals then sells them to criminals!"
 
2021-07-22 2:15:14 PM  
It is technically moronic to get caught with spyware up your ass.

But it's also evil to make or sell spyware.
 
2021-07-22 2:17:31 PM  
They say it is only available to "the military." That is supposed to be a justification for their sales. Remarkably, the article has nobody pointing out that militaries are violent, and by giving the development of such tools to foreign contractors, a military is able to act  outside of the jurisdiction of their own country's laws about weapon development and capabilities. Almost as if the article wants to make sure the cultprits are not held culpable, or at least, that military motives are not questioned.
 
2021-07-22 2:18:55 PM  
Holy crap this sounds like some GOP crap which is interesting they like to cry about personal responsibility but they actually mean no one's responsible except that one asshole at the end
 
2021-07-22 2:19:08 PM  

Hyjamon: downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.

then wtf do you call a taxi?


A service provided by an individual. And said service provider is, in theory at least, not drunk.
 
2021-07-22 2:19:33 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: They say it is only available to "the military." That is supposed to be a justification for their sales. Remarkably, the article has nobody pointing out that militaries are violent, and by giving the development of such tools to foreign contractors, a military is able to act  outside of the jurisdiction of their own country's laws about weapon development and capabilities. Almost as if the article wants to make sure the cultprits are not held culpable, or at least, that military motives are not questioned.


Law enforcement too, but is there a difference really?

From 2020: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-​east-ne​ws/.premium-with-israel-s-encouragemen​t-nso-sold-spyware-to-uae-and-other-gu​lf-states-1.9093465
 
2021-07-22 2:31:34 PM  
I wish Macron had the balls to label them a terrorist organization and run them down. Their tech was used to kill Khashoggi, it's used to keep tabs on human right activists and NGOs. It IS a terrorist organization. Order their extradition from Israel and when Israel refuses blockade them.
 
2021-07-22 2:34:09 PM  
Wow, that's trying to skate on the thinnest of ice. These morons should be counting themselves lucky if they are still breathing in a couple years. They had better farking pray that software was never installed on a US officials phone. That or they'd better get used to never leaving Israel and constantly looking over their shoulder. Depending on if it ended up on some even less pleasant country officials phones, they might want to have their kids / grandkids reconsider any travel as well.

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The above is if it's a "polite" country...
 
2021-07-22 2:36:21 PM  

downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.


Ya that argument only works when your product is being misused, not when it's being used as intended.
 
2021-07-22 2:39:57 PM  
Ugh, yet another example of computer scientists thinking they're somehow exempt from ethics.  See also: Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, anybody running a site that allows user feedback but doesn't take responsibility for moderation (so like, Facebook, Twitter, damn near every web forum, your local newspaper...)
 
2021-07-22 2:40:31 PM  

downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.


Tesla does.
 
2021-07-22 2:40:36 PM  
Wanted for questioning.

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2021-07-22 2:42:23 PM  

SMB2811: downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.

Ya that argument only works when your product is being misused, not when it's being used as intended.


Guns aren't intended to be used for illegal murders
 
2021-07-22 2:43:47 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Ugh, yet another example of computer scientists thinking they're somehow exempt from ethics.  See also: Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, anybody running a site that allows user feedback but doesn't take responsibility for moderation (so like, Facebook, Twitter, damn near every web forum, your local newspaper...)


🙋
Please reading
The Moral Landscape
Book by Sam Harris
 
2021-07-22 2:44:03 PM  
Can't Apple or Google hire them to infect their phones, then plug up the zero day exploits these companies live on?
 
2021-07-22 2:49:28 PM  

waxbeans: SMB2811: downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.

Ya that argument only works when your product is being misused, not when it's being used as intended.

Guns aren't intended to be used for illegal murders


I'd only buy one to commit legal murder. Trust me.
 
2021-07-22 2:50:52 PM  

macadamnut: waxbeans: SMB2811: downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.

Ya that argument only works when your product is being misused, not when it's being used as intended.

Guns aren't intended to be used for illegal murders

I'd only buy one to commit legal murder. Trust me.


Said literally almost every single active shooter
 
2021-07-22 2:55:12 PM  

waxbeans: Baloo Uriza: Ugh, yet another example of computer scientists thinking they're somehow exempt from ethics.  See also: Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, anybody running a site that allows user feedback but doesn't take responsibility for moderation (so like, Facebook, Twitter, damn near every web forum, your local newspaper...)

🙋
Please reading
The Moral Landscape
Book by Sam Harris


"It wasn't me, it was everyone and everything else around me" just seems like a convenient copout, especially when given such criticism, you give a Time Cube like bounty challenge to defend it.
 
2021-07-22 3:02:58 PM  

inglixthemad: Wow, that's trying to skate on the thinnest of ice. These morons should be counting themselves lucky if they are still breathing in a couple years. They had better farking pray that software was never installed on a US officials phone. That or they'd better get used to never leaving Israel and constantly looking over their shoulder. Depending on if it ended up on some even less pleasant country officials phones, they might want to have their kids / grandkids reconsider any travel as well.

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The above is if it's a "polite" country...


I know they already probably installed it on US officials phones, there was an article maybe last year or year before about US contractors helping a bunch of countries set up their cyber espionage and the people that set it up being surprised when they used their new skills to do all kinds of fun things. They even made sure said contractors were kept in the dark about some of the people they had trained being used to spy on people on US soil (couldn't find the article but I think U.S. Citizens as well.
 
2021-07-22 3:04:04 PM  

PanicAttack: [Fark user image image 596x266]
To keep things in perspective.


Couldn't one say the same about Boeing?
 
2021-07-22 3:26:50 PM  
Someone is going to develop and sell this software and make a bundle of money, so it may as well be us.
 
2021-07-22 3:27:36 PM  

Parthenogenetic: PanicAttack: [Fark user image image 596x266]
To keep things in perspective.

Couldn't one say the same about Boeing?


Here's some light reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Whatabou​tism
 
2021-07-22 3:40:14 PM  

waxbeans: macadamnut: waxbeans: SMB2811: downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.

Ya that argument only works when your product is being misused, not when it's being used as intended.

Guns aren't intended to be used for illegal murders

I'd only buy one to commit legal murder. Trust me.

Said literally almost every single active shooter


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2021-07-22 3:51:32 PM  

PanicAttack: Parthenogenetic: PanicAttack: [Fark user image image 596x266]
To keep things in perspective.

Couldn't one say the same about Boeing?

Here's some light reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Whataboutism


No, no, he has a point. The American AND Israeli government-sponsored crooks can be shiatty at the same time, and both countries should face major consequences for sponsoring said crooks.
 
2021-07-22 4:01:57 PM  

AtomPeepers: waxbeans: macadamnut: waxbeans: SMB2811: downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.

Ya that argument only works when your product is being misused, not when it's being used as intended.

Guns aren't intended to be used for illegal murders

I'd only buy one to commit legal murder. Trust me.

Said literally almost every single active shooter

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"Legal murder"?
 
2021-07-22 4:03:43 PM  

PanicAttack: [Fark user image image 596x266]
To keep things in perspective.


As are most Israeli cyber security organisations.

Checkpoint's board is full of ex IDF/Air force/Mossad.

They supply firewalls and security software for the majority of the biggest corporations worldwide, banks, government organisations etc etc.
 
2021-07-22 4:04:01 PM  

Hyjamon: there is some precedent for this:

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I pretty sure I see a nipple.
 
2021-07-22 4:04:26 PM  
I are using preview.
 
2021-07-22 4:09:10 PM  

whitroth: AtomPeepers: waxbeans: macadamnut: waxbeans: SMB2811: downstairs: "criticising a car manufacturer when a drunk driver crashes"

Car manufacturers don't advertise their product as a way to get home after drinking too much.

Ya that argument only works when your product is being misused, not when it's being used as intended.

Guns aren't intended to be used for illegal murders

I'd only buy one to commit legal murder. Trust me.

Said literally almost every single active shooter

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"Legal murder"?


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2021-07-22 4:19:50 PM  
It works for gun manufacturers.
 
2021-07-22 4:52:27 PM  
Guns can be used for target shooting.This software has no legitimate use.

llamameat: Can't Apple or Google hire them to infect their phones, then plug up the zero day exploits these companies live on?


They'd probably be charged with breaking secret sections of the Patriot Act.
 
2021-07-22 5:43:16 PM  
"The Israeli company says its software is intended for use against criminals and terrorists and made available to only military, law enforcement and intelligence agencies from countries with good human-rights records."


They sold it to Saudi Arabia, fark these people. Whatever credibility they had is shot with that single move.

Then it goes down into the negatives with the car comparison crap and the maybe it's a coincidence shiat.


If these guys were in Russia or China they'd be getting an EMP blast in the mail right about now.
 
2021-07-22 6:12:33 PM  

bughunter: Hyjamon: there is some precedent for this:

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I pretty sure I see a nipple.


is it female presenting?
 
2021-07-22 6:49:10 PM  

Hyjamon: there is some precedent for this:

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2021-07-22 9:01:24 PM  
Thats like blaming voters for who they elect.
wait!
 
2021-07-23 8:55:04 AM  

stuffy: Thats like blaming voters for who they elect.
wait!


Yep! They made this mess. Good luck!


...have consequences or something. XD
 
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