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(CNN)   Prosecutors had enough evidence to charge Trump ally Tom Barrack last year but held off until Il Douche was out of power and couldn't pardon him   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-07-22 8:55:30 AM  
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2021-07-22 9:01:40 AM  
about foreign lobbying cases, which the Justice Department has struggled to prosecute in the past.

Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

Financial Crisis: Bupkis
Insurrection: Minor crimes
Treason and other assorted crimes profiting from selling out the country: Too hard, no thanks.

I mean... what the f*ck?
 
2021-07-22 9:05:06 AM  

NewportBarGuy: about foreign lobbying cases, which the Justice Department has struggled to prosecute in the past.

Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

Financial Crisis: Bupkis
Insurrection: Minor crimes
Treason and other assorted crimes profiting from selling out the country: Too hard, no thanks.

I mean... what the f*ck?


Capitalism means that the people with the capital get to set the rules and run the show. And you don't get that much capital without being a sociopath at least and a likely criminal - if laws were enforced equally. So they help set the rules and laws so that it makes their particular crimes harder to prosecute and easier to escape justice for those who commit those crimes.
 
2021-07-22 9:30:22 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?


The answer is right there in your question.
 
2021-07-22 9:45:58 AM  

NewportBarGuy: about foreign lobbying cases, which the Justice Department has struggled to prosecute in the past.

Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

Financial Crisis: Bupkis
Insurrection: Minor crimes
Treason and other assorted crimes profiting from selling out the country: Too hard, no thanks.

I mean... what the f*ck?


They need to start calling them "white man" crimes and making them violations. Of course then black folks might get away with them, and we can't have that.
 
2021-07-22 9:49:26 AM  
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2021-07-22 12:05:55 PM  
He got the coffee once, right?
 
2021-07-22 12:06:51 PM  
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2021-07-22 12:09:03 PM  
Can't Trump just pardon him on the 19th?
 
2021-07-22 12:09:21 PM  
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2021-07-22 12:09:39 PM  
I hope this was the case for many, many people in Trump's circles.
 
2021-07-22 12:09:41 PM  
That is awesome.

If only Trump had been on speaking terms with Bill Barr, maybe Mr. Barrack could've had his arrest, trial, conviction, and pardon.  Oh well, better luck next time, sport!
 
2021-07-22 12:09:42 PM  

Weatherkiss: He got the coffee once, right?


Lotta coffee guys in that administration, I have to say...
 
2021-07-22 12:11:30 PM  
Doesn't matter, he'll be pardoned in late August after Trump waltzes in to his 'doesn't count' term of office amirite?
 
2021-07-22 12:11:36 PM  
Now, his legal team only needs to stall until August 15 to get that pardon.
 
2021-07-22 12:12:01 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?


Because they're written by white collar criminals?
 
2021-07-22 12:13:21 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: The answer is right there in your question.


Yet roughly 40 percent of Poltab threads are white people asking that question in the whitest way possible.

/they're men too
//you want justice, help dismantle privilege, even if it hurts your feelings for a few moments
///that starts with calling your racist and sexist friends on it, then cutting them out of your life
 
2021-07-22 12:14:04 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.


Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?
 
2021-07-22 12:15:39 PM  
Yeah, I called this on one of these guys when someone was hand wringing about this a few weeks ago. By waiting, they make sure that a pardon will not be forthcoming. Or in the case of state crimes, there will be no interference from above.
 
2021-07-22 12:16:03 PM  
So they waited an additional six months to charge him because... they wanted to ruin his planned vacation to Disney World?
 
2021-07-22 12:16:08 PM  

Smackledorfer: not primarily their wealth and power?


Are you seriously claiming that those things aren't fundamentally related, given our nation's history?
 
2021-07-22 12:16:29 PM  

Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?


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2021-07-22 12:16:55 PM  

NewportBarGuy: about foreign lobbying cases, which the Justice Department has struggled to prosecute in the past.

Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

Financial Crisis: Bupkis
Insurrection: Minor crimes
Treason and other assorted crimes profiting from selling out the country: Too hard, no thanks.

I mean... what the f*ck?


By design.
 
2021-07-22 12:17:57 PM  

Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?


You're right.

Those things are completely decoupled.

The 0.1% are overwhelmingly white men because they are the master race.
 
2021-07-22 12:18:36 PM  
Oh this is gonna be good.
 
2021-07-22 12:22:49 PM  
Yeah, but Trump can pardon him next month.  Libs didn't remember that, huh?

So will Donnie be Prez #45 again, or will he be #45 and #47?
 
2021-07-22 12:25:26 PM  

Aquapope: Yeah, but Trump can pardon him next month.  Libs didn't remember that, huh?

So will Donnie be Prez #45 again, or will he be #45 and #47?


45**
 
2021-07-22 12:25:48 PM  
So, the last six months were just for farking fun or something?
 
2021-07-22 12:26:25 PM  

Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?


Look at all the poor white schmoes who invaded the capitol and they were allowed to just leave and cops took selfies with them.

Skin color is a huge part of it.
 
2021-07-22 12:26:48 PM  

Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?


Being white is conducive to having wealth and power.  Having wealth and power is conducive to getting away with crime.  This is not new.  It's been true in America since before there was an America.  It's a fundamental truth in CRT that the right-wing idiots are griping about.
 
2021-07-22 12:27:35 PM  

Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?


Don't the two usually go hand in hand?
 
2021-07-22 12:28:14 PM  
Because this is the way the DOJ is supposed to operate.  Nothing new here, right?

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No screaming alarm bells of democratic process in deep jeopardy.

No siree.
 
2021-07-22 12:29:52 PM  

Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?


It's more that the very richest people are white, and plan to keep it that way.
 
2021-07-22 12:30:08 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Smackledorfer: not primarily their wealth and power?

Are you seriously claiming that those things aren't fundamentally related, given our nation's history?


Racism and Xenophobia have been defining attributes of America since our founding.  Almost EVERY ethnic group outside of white protestants has taken their turn under the grinding wheel of Xenophobia in our history.  Gays, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Catholics, Irish, Germans, Russians, Native Americans, etc.
 
2021-07-22 12:30:34 PM  

Aquapope: Yeah, but Trump can pardon him next month.  Libs didn't remember that, huh?

So will Donnie be Prez #45 again, or will he be #45 and #47?


someone already alluded to a more realistic scenario.

That sometime before 1/20/2021, 2scoops sharpied out a get--out--jail certificate, signed it and told this guy to keep it in his pocket until he needed it.

And if Trump didn't make a technical error, that could theoretically work
 
2021-07-22 12:31:33 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?

You're right.

Those things are completely decoupled.

The 0.1% are overwhelmingly white men because they are the master race.


The 0.1% skew white because of various racial inequalities.

The 0.1% get away with white collar crime because of money and power. They'd get away with it just as much if there wasn't a racial disparity at that level. You are conflating two problems in some strange attempt to show us all how woke you are. Or you are stupid. I dunno, you can pick and tell me.
 
2021-07-22 12:31:39 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: NewportBarGuy: about foreign lobbying cases, which the Justice Department has struggled to prosecute in the past.

Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

Financial Crisis: Bupkis
Insurrection: Minor crimes
Treason and other assorted crimes profiting from selling out the country: Too hard, no thanks.

I mean... what the f*ck?

Capitalism means that the people with the capital get to set the rules and run the show. And you don't get that much capital without being a sociopath at least and a likely criminal - if laws were enforced equally. So they help set the rules and laws so that it makes their particular crimes harder to prosecute and easier to escape justice for those who commit those crimes.


Bro, you forgot to blame the feckless Dems.
You're slipping.
 
2021-07-22 12:35:00 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Aquapope: Yeah, but Trump can pardon him next month.  Libs didn't remember that, huh?

So will Donnie be Prez #45 again, or will he be #45 and #47?

someone already alluded to a more realistic scenario.

That sometime before 1/20/2021, 2scoops sharpied out a get--out--jail certificate, signed it and told this guy to keep it in his pocket until he needed it.

And if Trump didn't make a technical error, that could theoretically work


Making a pocket pardon that covers enough without being too vague would be damn tough, I'd think.  I mean, a pardon that says "anything he did" couldn't be legal, right?  But if the pardon is too specific, then they charge the guy with half the charges and if the guy plays the pardon card on some of them you know what to charge him with next.
 
2021-07-22 12:36:38 PM  

A Cave Geek: Freudian_slipknot: Smackledorfer: not primarily their wealth and power?

Are you seriously claiming that those things aren't fundamentally related, given our nation's history?

Racism and Xenophobia have been defining attributes of America since our founding.  Almost EVERY ethnic group outside of white protestants has taken their turn under the grinding wheel of Xenophobia in our history.  Gays, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Catholics, Irish, Germans, Russians, Native Americans, etc.


Absolutely true.

And this certainly explains why there are more white people in the 0.1% than not.

But it isn't directly related to why the 0.1% get away with crimes.

Unless those arguing with me in thread are going to claim that if the 0.1% properly represented then white collar crimes would be more prosecuted? Go ahead and tell me that, I could always use a laugh.

In short: the billionaires and high end millionaires are completely divorced from the rest of us. Whitey mcracist fbi agent isn't ignoring white collar crimes because of race.
 
2021-07-22 12:38:43 PM  

Smackledorfer: Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?


No. It's that they got their wealth and power because of skin color. White skin color.

Are you seriously claiming you don't understand that?

Cool. Tell us more about your rich black friend at work.
 
2021-07-22 12:39:46 PM  
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2021-07-22 12:42:21 PM  

NewportBarGuy: about foreign lobbying cases, which the Justice Department has struggled to prosecute in the past.

Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

Financial Crisis: Bupkis
Insurrection: Minor crimes
Treason and other assorted crimes profiting from selling out the country: Too hard, no thanks.

I mean... what the f*ck?


Because they generally have it codified that white collar crimes require knowledge that an action would be a criminal act and had the intent of violating the law in question, and because white collar criminals can afford to hire expensive legal teams that can get a judge to partially or completely have laws deemed unconstitutional and as a result defang enforcement mechanisms going forward.

You're Wrong About: Why Didn't Anyone Go to Prison for the Financial Crisis?
 
2021-07-22 12:43:17 PM  
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Plausible alternative theory.
 
2021-07-22 12:44:38 PM  

slobberbone: Smackledorfer: Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?

No. It's that they got their wealth and power because of skin color. White skin color.

Are you seriously claiming you don't understand that?

Cool. Tell us more about your rich black friend at work.


I'm claiming the person I initially replied to said that white collar crimes weren't prosecuted because WHITE, and that I disagreed with it.

Whatever new garbage you are piling on with is a lame strawman.
 
2021-07-22 12:45:27 PM  
Even guys with a lot to lose happily line up to take a bullet for Trump. Unwashed rubes are one thing, but this guy is neither stupid nor without resources. Surely he knew that Trump was a joke.

So WTF is it with Trump that makes people so willing to give up everything for him?

It kind of makes the whole Epstein and sex with kids thing seem a lot more plausible.
 
2021-07-22 12:45:46 PM  

ElPrimitivo: Aquapope: Yeah, but Trump can pardon him next month.  Libs didn't remember that, huh?

So will Donnie be Prez #45 again, or will he be #45 and #47?

45**


46. Biden and all things Democrat will be sent to the Memory Hole and expunged from history.
 
2021-07-22 12:46:25 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: Smackledorfer: Petit_Merdeux: NewportBarGuy: Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

The answer is right there in your question.

Oh ffs. Are you seriously claiming that the 0.1% of wealthy and powerful people are getting away with monetary crimes because of skin color and not primarily their wealth and power?

You're right.

Those things are completely decoupled.

The 0.1% are overwhelmingly white men because they are the master race.


But what about Oprah? She's a billionaire, and proof, so my relatives assure me, that there is complete equality of opportunity in the US.
 
2021-07-22 12:47:41 PM  

Smackledorfer: A Cave Geek: Freudian_slipknot: Smackledorfer: not primarily their wealth and power?

Are you seriously claiming that those things aren't fundamentally related, given our nation's history?

Racism and Xenophobia have been defining attributes of America since our founding.  Almost EVERY ethnic group outside of white protestants has taken their turn under the grinding wheel of Xenophobia in our history.  Gays, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Catholics, Irish, Germans, Russians, Native Americans, etc.

Absolutely true.

And this certainly explains why there are more white people in the 0.1% than not.

But it isn't directly related to why the 0.1% get away with crimes.

Unless those arguing with me in thread are going to claim that if the 0.1% properly represented then white collar crimes would be more prosecuted? Go ahead and tell me that, I could always use a laugh.

In short: the billionaires and high end millionaires are completely divorced from the rest of us. Whitey mcracist fbi agent isn't ignoring white collar crimes because of race.


Let me try to be a little more nuanced.  the 0.1%  get away with shiat "directly" because of their wealth, which affords them the ability to 'purchase' justice.

They have access to the vast majority of that wealth at least partially because of a society that inherently favors people of their particular skin color, giving them advantages not afforded to other classes of people.

So they get away with it "directly" because of the wealth, and "indirectly" due to structural racism, misogyny, and religious discrimination that enables the acquisition of that wealth.
 
2021-07-22 12:57:42 PM  

A Cave Geek: Smackledorfer: A Cave Geek: Freudian_slipknot: Smackledorfer: not primarily their wealth and power?

Are you seriously claiming that those things aren't fundamentally related, given our nation's history?

Racism and Xenophobia have been defining attributes of America since our founding.  Almost EVERY ethnic group outside of white protestants has taken their turn under the grinding wheel of Xenophobia in our history.  Gays, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Catholics, Irish, Germans, Russians, Native Americans, etc.

Absolutely true.

And this certainly explains why there are more white people in the 0.1% than not.

But it isn't directly related to why the 0.1% get away with crimes.

Unless those arguing with me in thread are going to claim that if the 0.1% properly represented then white collar crimes would be more prosecuted? Go ahead and tell me that, I could always use a laugh.

In short: the billionaires and high end millionaires are completely divorced from the rest of us. Whitey mcracist fbi agent isn't ignoring white collar crimes because of race.

Let me try to be a little more nuanced.  the 0.1%  get away with shiat "directly" because of their wealth, which affords them the ability to 'purchase' justice.

They have access to the vast majority of that wealth at least partially because of a society that inherently favors people of their particular skin color, giving them advantages not afforded to other classes of people.

So they get away with it "directly" because of the wealth, and "indirectly" due to structural racism, misogyny, and religious discrimination that enables the acquisition of that wealth.


Ok.  But then the answer to the question below isn't going to be "because white people commit white collar crimes.

"Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?"

If we went back to the beginning of America and completely eliminated racism and all forms of discrimination against protected classes, we'd still have 0.1%-ers, and we'd still be sitting around as middle class or below shlubs on the internet biatching about the exact same laughably low levels of enforcement of white collar crimes.

The rich and powerful get away with shiat because they are rich and powerful, not because they are white.
 
2021-07-22 1:01:25 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: NewportBarGuy: about foreign lobbying cases, which the Justice Department has struggled to prosecute in the past.

Why are our laws so f*cked up that white collar crimes are damn near impossible to prosecute?

Financial Crisis: Bupkis
Insurrection: Minor crimes
Treason and other assorted crimes profiting from selling out the country: Too hard, no thanks.

I mean... what the f*ck?

Capitalism means that the people with the capital get to set the rules and run the show. And you don't get that much capital without being a sociopath at least and a likely criminal - if laws were enforced equally. So they help set the rules and laws so that it makes their particular crimes harder to prosecute and easier to escape justice for those who commit those crimes.


Really it runs this way until the wealth gap gets too large and then, well, unpleasant things happen to the rich. The uber wealthy are all betting it'll be after they're dead, or that they'll be able to buy their way out of the crisis. I don't have a clue when it will happen, but they should note that (except for a couple of lucky people) they (and their children / grandchildren) probably won't be around to worry about their assets. That's the trick with this, everyone of them will think they're invulnerable right up to the moment historic forces decide to show them how insignificant they are in reality.
 
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