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(Slate)   It's very odd, but Krysten Sinema's cunning strategy of doing absolutely nothing useful has not resonated well with the people who voted for her   (slate.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
Yeah.  I'm frankly disappointed as hell.  While I did expect a certain amount of essentially pandering to maintain enough of a majority to see reelection she's basically not doing much more than Manchin, holding a seat enough to keep the gavel in Democratic hands.
 
4 days ago  
In a country where we have no real expectations for our politicians, she has certainly taken 1st prize.
 
4 days ago  
I'm guessing she is just establishing her credentials before switching parties.
 
4 days ago  
At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck. I'm not smart enough to know if she's a paid to vote against her own party.
 
4 days ago  
Who does she think she is, a republican? That shiat only works for republicans.
 
4 days ago  
It's one thing to be bipartisan and try to work across the aisle - which of course ignores what the other side of the aisle actually wants - however at some point government needs to operate. Republicans are fascists, insurrectionists, white nationalists, anti-environment, and generally anti-humanity, so nothing good can be accomplished from constantly compromising with them, especially when starting from pre-compromised positions. We haven't had a functional, competent government in this country for a long, long time, and more "bipartisan" solutions aren't going to fix that.

Our massive systemic problems are only getting worse, not better, and it would be nice to have even one political party that cared more about that than they do about red vs blue and stopped pretending that everything is perfect just the way it is.
 
4 days ago  

First New Username In Many Years: At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck.


Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they? Just getting the job is basically like winning the lottery on steroids.
 
4 days ago  
Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...
 
4 days ago  

bloobeary: First New Username In Many Years: At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck.

Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they? Just getting the job is basically like winning the lottery on steroids.


They get a damn good one, yes.  But it's a five year vesting, and to get the full pension it's something like 20 years in Congress at age 50, or 25 years for any age.
 
4 days ago  

SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...


My wife is farking three other guys, but at least I'm not single!
 
4 days ago  

bloobeary: First New Username In Many Years: At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck.

Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they? Just getting the job is basically like winning the lottery on steroids.


You end up having to spend your lottery winnings on hormone treatments and liver/kidney transplants to mitigate the long-term damage?
 
4 days ago  
So, we using "DINO" yet?

//no, I'm not a fan of it either
 
4 days ago  
Oh man she's so cool
 
4 days ago  
But she's quir-ky!
 
4 days ago  
One cunning stunt follows the other!
 
4 days ago  
She is quirky, hates the poor and lets centrists keep the icky progress from happening!

What's not to love?
 
4 days ago  

TwoHead: I'm guessing she is just establishing her credentials before switching parties.


lol
 
4 days ago  

kudayta: bloobeary: First New Username In Many Years: At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck.

Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they? Just getting the job is basically like winning the lottery on steroids.

They get a damn good one, yes.  But it's a five year vesting, and to get the full pension it's something like 20 years in Congress at age 50, or 25 years for any age.


If I put in 25 years at my job I might get a nice wall clock or something as they toss me for someone younger and smarter and less of a drain on the insurance premiums
 
4 days ago  
Joke's on you: her approval with Republicans in the latest polling is 54% approve, 32% disapprove. Certainly that means she will win all the crossover voters in 2024, right? Republicans will vote for her over somebody who spends 4 years saying Trump won the election and Biden should be executed for treason?
 
4 days ago  
At least this article acknowledges that the other Senator from AZ, Mark Kelly, exists, and has a +11 vs a +2 favorability rating.  These Sinema articles usually ignore him so we can instead have progressive vs centrist arguments til the horse is reduced to a fine mist.

Also amusing that the article praises "the squad" for supporting their party while criticizing centrists for not.
 
4 days ago  
"Sinema is alienating many Democrats but not impressing independents."

Because there are so few left -- battle lines have hardened. And Republicans aren't gonna give any Democrat, any credit. For anything. Period.

But you know who will reward you for "action"?? Populist Democrats.
 
4 days ago  

bloobeary: Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they?


Congresscritters get the exact same pension as any other federal employee.  And it requires 5 years to get anything.  So, Representatives have to win 3 elections.  Senators get the pension after a single term, since it is 6 years long.  But the full pension requires 30 years (20 if you've reached 60).  So a 1-term Rep gets nada, and a 1-term Senator gets greens fees - 6 years even at their salaries isn't Scrooge McDuck money by any means.  If your going into Congress to pay for a few rounds a month, you are doing it very wrong.
 
4 days ago  

Grungehamster: Joke's on you: her approval with Republicans in the latest polling is 54% approve, 32% disapprove. Certainly that means she will win all the crossover voters in 2024, right? Republicans will vote for her over somebody who spends 4 years saying Trump won the election and Biden should be executed for treason?


A) she might very well believe that, B) it doesn't say anything good about her political intelligence if she does.
 
4 days ago  

SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...


The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The below-mediocre and sabotaging is also the enemy of the good.
 
4 days ago  

TwoHead: I'm guessing she is just establishing her credentials before switching parties.


The fact that she is a former Green Party candidate continues to blow my mind. There is some part of me wondering if she's an accelerationist: "clearly the Democrats are bought and paid for by Big Business, so I will prove it by doing everything I can to make the status quo intolerable and hasten the revolution. Then I can tell everyone it was my plan all along and I will be a hero while I help them put the corrupt politicians against the wall!"
 
4 days ago  
But she's so sassy!
 
4 days ago  

bloobeary: Congresscritters


stop farking using this stupid word.
 
4 days ago  

SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...


I mean, other than the fact that he essentially is in all but name, that's a good point.

/You all wanted a third term of President McConnell, you got it.
 
4 days ago  

Bloody William: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The below-mediocre and sabotaging is also the enemy of the good.


Ok, great.

She won't be replaced until 2024 at the earliest, so what should we do in the meantime?
 
4 days ago  

bloobeary: First New Username In Many Years: At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck.

Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they? Just getting the job is basically like winning the lottery on steroids.


You are just making this more and more tempting for me to run against Madison Cawthorne. Just being able to call him a twerp on live TV would be worth it, but if I beat him and get a retirement package out of it too...
 
4 days ago  

qorkfiend: Bloody William: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The below-mediocre and sabotaging is also the enemy of the good.

Ok, great.

She won't be replaced until 2024 at the earliest, so what should we do in the meantime?


Help elect Democrats who'll actually do something other than stop progress for the sake of lobbyist money. 


You can start right here.
 
4 days ago  
Don't blame me, I voted for Tulsi.
 
4 days ago  

LeftisRightisWrong: bloobeary: First New Username In Many Years: At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck.

Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they? Just getting the job is basically like winning the lottery on steroids.

You are just making this more and more tempting for me to run against Madison Cawthorne. Just being able to call him a twerp on live TV would be worth it, but if I beat him and get a retirement package out of it too...


If you can win an R+9 district then what the fark is stopping you?
 
4 days ago  

EyeballKid: qorkfiend: Bloody William: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The below-mediocre and sabotaging is also the enemy of the good.

Ok, great.

She won't be replaced until 2024 at the earliest, so what should we do in the meantime?

Help elect Democrats who'll actually do something other than stop progress for the sake of lobbyist money. 


You can start right here.


And none of that matters if the Democrats can't pass voter rights legislation, because the GOP will continue to suppress voting and pass legislation at the state level that allows the GOP-controlled state legislature to overturn election results they don't like.

There simply is no way to vote ourselves out of this if this if the current Congress fails to act to protect our democracy and our vote. And people like qorkfiend seem to be perfectly OK with that, for some reason.
 
4 days ago  

NewportBarGuy: Don't blame me, I voted for Tulsi.


The bummer is, I don't ever see the Tulsi superfan here.  It was all about going to Hawaii in a Tulsi shirt and high fives all around and then the election is over and no more Tulsi talk.

I miss trolls.  I really do.  They provide me comedic material.
 
4 days ago  

qorkfiend: Bloody William: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The below-mediocre and sabotaging is also the enemy of the good.

Ok, great.

She won't be replaced until 2024 at the earliest, so what should we do in the meantime?


Help Democrats in currently-Republican-held Senate seats up in 2022.  Manchin and Sinemas have power because of the tie in Senate representation.  If the Democrats have more SEnators, then any single one has less power.  Even if they are rather conservative Democrats it lessens their power.  Right now, Manchin can demand his cock be sucked and dictate the manner it will done.  If Democrats held, say, 54 seats - even if all of the new ones were as conservative as Manchin - you have a better chance of keeping at least 51 in line.  You make a blanket offer to suck their dicks, but only for the ones that play ball.  Unless they are incredibly united in all getting no dick-sucking, at least one will fall in line.
 
4 days ago  

SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...


People forget. Immediately. How completely and totally f*cked we all were and felt at mitches whim.
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: EyeballKid: qorkfiend: Bloody William: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The below-mediocre and sabotaging is also the enemy of the good.

Ok, great.

She won't be replaced until 2024 at the earliest, so what should we do in the meantime?

Help elect Democrats who'll actually do something other than stop progress for the sake of lobbyist money. 


You can start right here.

And none of that matters if the Democrats can't pass voter rights legislation, because the GOP will continue to suppress voting and pass legislation at the state level that allows the GOP-controlled state legislature to overturn election results they don't like.

There simply is no way to vote ourselves out of this if this if the current Congress fails to act to protect our democracy and our vote. And people like qorkfiend seem to be perfectly OK with that, for some reason.


What's important, though, is all that 2009 nostalgia that resulted!

How's that working out, Biden Bros? Still holding out hope for the GOP to succumb to Pres. FDR Jr.'s super progressive agenda with a weepy story about Beau?
 
4 days ago  

Por que tan serioso: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

People forget. Immediately. How completely and totally f*cked we all were and felt at mitches whim.


Yes, it's so different now!
 
4 days ago  

EyeballKid: AdmirableSnackbar: EyeballKid: qorkfiend: Bloody William: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The below-mediocre and sabotaging is also the enemy of the good.

Ok, great.

She won't be replaced until 2024 at the earliest, so what should we do in the meantime?

Help elect Democrats who'll actually do something other than stop progress for the sake of lobbyist money. 


You can start right here.

And none of that matters if the Democrats can't pass voter rights legislation, because the GOP will continue to suppress voting and pass legislation at the state level that allows the GOP-controlled state legislature to overturn election results they don't like.

There simply is no way to vote ourselves out of this if this if the current Congress fails to act to protect our democracy and our vote. And people like qorkfiend seem to be perfectly OK with that, for some reason.

What's important, though, is all that 2009 nostalgia that resulted!

How's that working out, Biden Bros? Still holding out hope for the GOP to succumb to Pres. FDR Jr.'s super progressive agenda with a weepy story about Beau?


The GOP epiphany is right around the corner. Any day now!
 
4 days ago  

kudayta: bloobeary: First New Username In Many Years: At best, she's taking up space for one term just to collect the paycheck.

Congresscritters also get one hell of a severance package too, don't they? Just getting the job is basically like winning the lottery on steroids.

They get a damn good one, yes.  But it's a five year vesting, and to get the full pension it's something like 20 years in Congress at age 50, or 25 years for any age.


Yeah the longer you are in the better it gets, hers will still be good, probably better than the average American and I think she might get medical insurance for life too.
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Por que tan serioso: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

People forget. Immediately. How completely and totally f*cked we all were and felt at mitches whim.

Yes, it's so different now!


It's different enough.
 
4 days ago  
A full pension is available to Members of Congress who are:
*62 years of age with five years of service;
*50 years or older with 20 years of service; or
*25 years of service at any age.

Member of Congress or Congressional Employee (or any combination of the two) must have at least 5 years of service as a Member of Congress and/or Congressional Employee

Retirement benefits are calculated as follows:
-1.7% of your high-3 average salary multiplied by your years of service as a Member of Congress or Congressional Employee which do not exceed 20, PLUS
-1% of your high-3 average salary multiplied by your years of other service

A member of congress who joined when they are 40 and retired at 60 serving 20 years

1.7% x 20 years x $174,000 (high 3) = $59,160 per year

A member of congress who joined when they are 40 and retired at 80 serving 40 years

1.7% x 20 years x $174,000 (high 3) + 1.0% x 20 years x $174,000 = $93,960 per year

A member of congress who joined when they are 40 and retired at 45 serving 5 years

1.7% x 5 years x $174,000 (high 3) = $14,790 per year at age 62

It would take 66 years of service under to reach the 80% maximum permissible retirement
1.7% x 20 years = 34% PLUS
1.0% x 46 years = 46%

I wouldn't call it winning the lottery but yes, it is better than most civilian pensions.
 
4 days ago  

Por que tan serioso: AdmirableSnackbar: Por que tan serioso: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

People forget. Immediately. How completely and totally f*cked we all were and felt at mitches whim.

Yes, it's so different now!

It's different enough.


Different enough for comfortable, financially secure people people perhaps but for those who need help and competent government there is no functional difference.
 
4 days ago  

Por que tan serioso: AdmirableSnackbar: Por que tan serioso: SoupGuru: Still better than having Mitch in charge of the Senate...

People forget. Immediately. How completely and totally f*cked we all were and felt at mitches whim.

Yes, it's so different now!

It's different enough.


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"It's different enough."
 
4 days ago  

Pork Reins: A full pension is available to Members of Congress who are:
*62 years of age with five years of service;
*50 years or older with 20 years of service; or
*25 years of service at any age.

Member of Congress or Congressional Employee (or any combination of the two) must have at least 5 years of service as a Member of Congress and/or Congressional Employee

Retirement benefits are calculated as follows:
-1.7% of your high-3 average salary multiplied by your years of service as a Member of Congress or Congressional Employee which do not exceed 20, PLUS
-1% of your high-3 average salary multiplied by your years of other service

A member of congress who joined when they are 40 and retired at 60 serving 20 years

1.7% x 20 years x $174,000 (high 3) = $59,160 per year

A member of congress who joined when they are 40 and retired at 80 serving 40 years

1.7% x 20 years x $174,000 (high 3) + 1.0% x 20 years x $174,000 = $93,960 per year

A member of congress who joined when they are 40 and retired at 45 serving 5 years

1.7% x 5 years x $174,000 (high 3) = $14,790 per year at age 62

It would take 66 years of service under to reach the 80% maximum permissible retirement
1.7% x 20 years = 34% PLUS
1.0% x 46 years = 46%

I wouldn't call it winning the lottery but yes, it is better than most civilian pensions.


That's more an indictment of non-federal pensions than of Congresscritters being mooches
 
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