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(CNN)   For the GOP and their wannabe Emperor, it's not just the Big Lie anymore, it's an entirely new reality completely divorced from actual reality   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-07-22 7:49:35 AM  
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2021-07-22 8:20:32 AM  
It has literally been that way for years! It's how trump got elected in the first place.
 
2021-07-22 8:26:11 AM  
Treating Republicans with kindness and deference only makes them bolder and more aggressive.
 
2021-07-22 8:54:19 AM  
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2021-07-22 8:55:03 AM  
They "believe" the lie the same way they "believe" the Covid vaccine doesn't work, until it's politically damaging to their brand. The GOP believes nothing.
 
2021-07-22 8:55:28 AM  

Ambivalence: It has literally been that way for years! It's how trump got elected in the first place.


That.  They're already erasing the crazy ass shiat they did and said that helped turn this pandemic into an utter shiat show.
 
2021-07-22 9:18:36 AM  
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2021-07-22 9:29:22 AM  
"I don't care if you think I'm Satan reincarnate, the fact is you can't look at that television and say, nothing happened on the 6th."

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2021-07-22 9:52:16 AM  

Ambivalence: It has literally been that way for years! It's how trump got elected in the first place.


Cough-TRICKLE-DOWN-ECONOMICS-CREATES-J​OBS-cough
 
2021-07-22 9:52:22 AM  
... not new. They been writing their plans for 2000 years.
 
2021-07-22 9:53:32 AM  
Wow it's like CNN traveled 10 years back in time to write this.
 
2021-07-22 9:53:48 AM  
I urge everyone to read Neal Stephenson's novel of a few years back, "Fall: Or Dodge in Hell".

Specifically the stuff about Moab, Utah.  You really only need to get 1/3 of the way into the book to see that storyline unfold.  It's chilling.  And that's what we're living through right now.
 
2021-07-22 9:54:21 AM  

thorpe: "I don't care if you think I'm Satan reincarnate, the fact is you can't look at that television and say, nothing happened on the 6th."

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But but a grinning MAGAt says there was no violence whatsoever when he and his domestic terrorist buddies descended upon the capitol! Those pictures can't mean he's lying could it?

/s
 
2021-07-22 9:54:28 AM  
Too obvious for the Obvious tag.
 
2021-07-22 9:58:14 AM  
The shape-shifting strategy isn't just a political device -- it allows those who promote it to avoid wrestling with the reality of an assault on American democracy.

C'mon.  You can't expect manly-men to do self-doubt, introspection and logic.  They are ANGRY about... stuff.  That's all that matters.
 
2021-07-22 9:58:19 AM  
I wish future subs would stop acting like Trump is some kind of shocking shift in the requblican mind because he isn't.  Trump was not some aberration that somehow made it through to the rest of us.   Trump was the perfectly predictable (and predicted) outcome of 40 years of requblican PR and policy.

People that actually pay attention to politics outside of election years can argue intelligently about whether the GQP divorce from reality originated with Reagan or Nixon and some will even argue Ike.

But it sure as shiat aint even kind of original to Trump.   He is the result of this, not the originator of it.

/ Gee Dub out front shoulda told ya'.
 
2021-07-22 9:58:32 AM  

shastacola: They "believe" the lie the same way they "believe" the Covid vaccine doesn't work, until it's politically damaging to their brand. The GOP believes nothing.


Not true, they do believe EVRYTHING bad is the fault of democrats. That is the overriding thought process of conservatism since Nixon.
 
2021-07-22 9:59:24 AM  
Well, yeah.

This has been my point for years now.

They are all-in on a propaganda narrative.

I used to speculate what percentage of their base know they are lying and what percentage are dumb enough to buy in but at the end of the day that doesn't really matter any more.

Pointing out individual lies one at a time is nice but without a comprehensive narrative from the left that incorporates the simple sad fact that this who the Rs are today there can be no real progress.

And the danger of regressive policies increases.
 
2021-07-22 10:00:14 AM  

FrancoFile: I urge everyone to read Neal Stephenson's novel of a few years back, "Fall: Or Dodge in Hell".

Specifically the stuff about Moab, Utah.  You really only need to get 1/3 of the way into the book to see that storyline unfold.  It's chilling.  And that's what we're living through right now.


That was the only interesting part of that book.   Well that, and the solution to the "internet reputation" problem."

Otherwise, I rank it Stephenson's worst.  It was just lazy writing.
 
2021-07-22 10:01:02 AM  
"anymore"

Face it, American conservatives are dependent on a bullshiat ecosystem to survive.  They eat bullshiat that others puke out and then vomit bullshiat to other conservatives to sustain the movement.  It's been like this for decades.  The most beloved conservatives aren't politicians, they're propagandists.  They provide the nurturing and comforting bullshiat their audience demands, like hairless swine suckling at bullshiat teats.
Trump is the alpha bullshiatter, the logical conclusion to decades of living off pure bullshiat. History, facts, logic mean nothing to him or his bullshiat-starved hordes.  All that matters is new, fresh bullshiat to sustain the fake outrage that binds them together in their hatred of those who refuse to partake of their bullshiat.
 
2021-07-22 10:01:26 AM  
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I was  listening to Trump's actual audio and he's clearly delusional. This is the guy they think they're running in 2024? If he were your Qanon grandpa, you'd be able to commit him easily with these recordings.

Please God, force him to testify in front of the Jan. 6th panel.
 
2021-07-22 10:05:00 AM  
This isn't going to matter once Trump is reinstated as President in August.
 
2021-07-22 10:06:27 AM  

thorpe: "I don't care if you think I'm Satan reincarnate, the fact is you can't look at that television and say, nothing happened on the 6th."

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How are those pictures of tourist groups relevant to the discussion?
 
2021-07-22 10:07:10 AM  
Sunken Fallacy Man
Sunken Fallacy Man
Does whatever a Sunken Fallacy Man can
Did Trump lose?  They say nope.
If you say so then YOU'RE the dope
Ta da!  That is Sunken Fallacy Man
 
2021-07-22 10:07:12 AM  
"They were ushered in by the police. The Capitol police were very friendly."

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2021-07-22 10:07:17 AM  
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Malignant Narcissist says what?
 
2021-07-22 10:10:46 AM  

Rent Party: I wish future subs would stop acting like Trump is some kind of shocking shift in the requblican mind because he isn't.  Trump was not some aberration that somehow made it through to the rest of us.   Trump was the perfectly predictable (and predicted) outcome of 40 years of requblican PR and policy.

People that actually pay attention to politics outside of election years can argue intelligently about whether the GQP divorce from reality originated with Reagan or Nixon and some will even argue Ike.


The mainstream Dems have to act like Trump was an aberration because they'd rather their base consist of Republicans who are upset Trump left them out of the grift rather than progressives and younger voters who expect their political representatives to work on their behalf.
 
2021-07-22 10:13:11 AM  
Delusion

The word you are looking for is "delusion"
 
2021-07-22 10:15:21 AM  

EyeballKid: Rent Party: I wish future subs would stop acting like Trump is some kind of shocking shift in the requblican mind because he isn't.  Trump was not some aberration that somehow made it through to the rest of us.   Trump was the perfectly predictable (and predicted) outcome of 40 years of requblican PR and policy.

People that actually pay attention to politics outside of election years can argue intelligently about whether the GQP divorce from reality originated with Reagan or Nixon and some will even argue Ike.

The mainstream Dems have to act like Trump was an aberration because they'd rather their base consist of Republicans who are upset Trump left them out of the grift rather than progressives and younger voters who expect their political representatives to work on their behalf.


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2021-07-22 10:17:17 AM  
I think it started with the strategy of "I don't have a good argument to support this policy, so I'll lie about a few details. I'll act like I believe them which makes them more believable. This is ok because it's in service of my ideology". This strategy was so successful that they started using it more and more until you get where we are today. Every argument is now completely based on lies all the way down, and the people repeating those lies have been doing it so long they really believe them.
 
2021-07-22 10:19:43 AM  

thorpe: "I don't care if you think I'm Satan reincarnate, the fact is you can't look at that television and say, nothing happened on the 6th."

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Photos of the Church picnic. "And the food was delicious" declared Ron Johnson.
 
2021-07-22 10:20:38 AM  
FTFA: "They were ushered in by the police. The Capitol police were very friendly," Trump told the reporters, referring to the sacking of Congress and assaults on police officers by his supporters.

One could easily infer that this means that the Capitol police were willing participants. For a few of them, that could be the case. However I doubt it was anywhere close to a significant number, but he is implicating all of them as being fine with what happened.

Even when he's trying to minimize something, he still manages to throw someone under the bus.
 
2021-07-22 10:21:34 AM  
Remember Wonko the sane? Let's build an asylum around Red America. Seriously, WTF are rational people supposed to do about this mass insanity pandemic?
 
2021-07-22 10:21:40 AM  
Meh. This is what Cultists do. They cult.

All they need now are some robes, a secret society, chants and rallies... Then they can summon The Orange One.
 
2021-07-22 10:23:25 AM  

Rent Party: People that actually pay attention to politics outside of election years can argue intelligently about whether the GQP divorce from reality originated with Reagan or Nixon and some will even argue Ike.


I'd say it started with FDR.   Social programs that saved America from the Great Depression, nationalizing corporate interests to win the war, then relinquishing power when the war was over (Yeah, that was Truman, but he was just following the plan) and a host of other things that got under the skin of the grand old party poopers.  There were people out there who refused to use Roosevelt stamps from the post office.  Now, a lot of those people are dead now, but they influenced the next generation, who gave us Reagan, the Bush boys, and Trump.
 
2021-07-22 10:26:11 AM  

EyeballKid: The mainstream Dems have to act like Trump was an aberration because they'd rather their base consist of Republicans who are upset Trump left them out of the grift rather than progressives and younger voters who expect their political representatives to work on their behalf.


I'd frame it a little differently. Most people vote based on identity affinity, and the Republican identity brand is still very strong. If the mainstream Democrats go around saying "Donald Trump is what the entire Republican Party has had under the mask this whole time" you're more likely to get Republican-identified types to say "welp, I guess if that's what I've been supporting this whole time I should double down". By presenting Trump as the aberration, it gives these people an option to reject him without a complete identity shock.
 
2021-07-22 10:26:50 AM  
Can we get a montage of the violence and insanity Trumpanzees wreaked that day, with a Ken Burns style voiceover of Fat Donny's nasal, lying bullsh*t about "very loving crowds, hugging and kissing the police"?
 
2021-07-22 10:32:13 AM  
Hate to break it to you, but it's been that way for decades. This isn't new. They've been morally bankrupt reality-deniers my entire lifetime.
 
2021-07-22 10:34:07 AM  

Weatherkiss: This isn't going to matter once Trump is reinstated as President in August.


Yup.  And he will force his reality, by law, to become The Only Reality.
 
2021-07-22 10:37:12 AM  

Great_Milenko: Rent Party: People that actually pay attention to politics outside of election years can argue intelligently about whether the GQP divorce from reality originated with Reagan or Nixon and some will even argue Ike.

I'd say it started with FDR.   Social programs that saved America from the Great Depression, nationalizing corporate interests to win the war, then relinquishing power when the war was over (Yeah, that was Truman, but he was just following the plan) and a host of other things that got under the skin of the grand old party poopers.  There were people out there who refused to use Roosevelt stamps from the post office.  Now, a lot of those people are dead now, but they influenced the next generation, who gave us Reagan, the Bush boys, and Trump.


That is a reasoned argument.

One might argue it goes back to James K. Polk and his insistence on starting the Mexican American war that literally no one wanted to fight.
 
2021-07-22 10:38:32 AM  

Shamwow: shastacola: They "believe" the lie the same way they "believe" the Covid vaccine doesn't work, until it's politically damaging to their brand. The GOP believes nothing.

Not true, they do believe EVRYTHING bad is the fault of democrats. That is the overriding thought process of conservatism since Nixon.


At the risk of reductionism, I've taken an "everything they say is projection" approach to their arguments, which tells me they're well aware that everything wrong with America is their own fault. Same with the steal and all the other stuff.

I don't know if it's unconscious telling-on-themselves or cunning performance art, but I have yet to see my approach fail.
 
2021-07-22 10:38:38 AM  

Zagloba: EyeballKid: The mainstream Dems have to act like Trump was an aberration because they'd rather their base consist of Republicans who are upset Trump left them out of the grift rather than progressives and younger voters who expect their political representatives to work on their behalf.

I'd frame it a little differently. Most people vote based on identity affinity, and the Republican identity brand is still very strong. If the mainstream Democrats go around saying "Donald Trump is what the entire Republican Party has had under the mask this whole time" you're more likely to get Republican-identified types to say "welp, I guess if that's what I've been supporting this whole time I should double down". By presenting Trump as the aberration, it gives these people an option to reject him without a complete identity shock.


That's the same Bush-embracing strategy that resulted in a Trump presidency in the first place.

Which they're fine with, so long as they get richer off of it.
 
2021-07-22 10:39:52 AM  

Zagloba: EyeballKid: The mainstream Dems have to act like Trump was an aberration because they'd rather their base consist of Republicans who are upset Trump left them out of the grift rather than progressives and younger voters who expect their political representatives to work on their behalf.

I'd frame it a little differently. Most people vote based on identity affinity, and the Republican identity brand is still very strong. If the mainstream Democrats go around saying "Donald Trump is what the entire Republican Party has had under the mask this whole time" you're more likely to get Republican-identified types to say "welp, I guess if that's what I've been supporting this whole time I should double down". By presenting Trump as the aberration, it gives these people an option to reject him without a complete identity shock.


Lolz.

That is *exactly* the kind of "be nice to Republicans and they might vote for us" delusion he is talking about.   That type of strategy, which the D's have been using hard since Bubba Clinton was presnitin' has worked exactly zero times, and arguably less, as it pissed off a whole lot of Democrats and led to the loss of mid-western blue collar workers.
 
2021-07-22 10:43:25 AM  

Zagloba: EyeballKid: The mainstream Dems have to act like Trump was an aberration because they'd rather their base consist of Republicans who are upset Trump left them out of the grift rather than progressives and younger voters who expect their political representatives to work on their behalf.

I'd frame it a little differently. Most people vote based on identity affinity, and the Republican identity brand is still very strong. If the mainstream Democrats go around saying "Donald Trump is what the entire Republican Party has had under the mask this whole time" you're more likely to get Republican-identified types to say "welp, I guess if that's what I've been supporting this whole time I should double down". By presenting Trump as the aberration, it gives these people an option to reject him without a complete identity shock.


And you know that it's a successful strategy because it severely impacted Republican voter turnout in the 2020 elections. Oh, wait...
 
2021-07-22 10:44:14 AM  
7 million more votes for Biden, and it was squeaker in a few states to win the EC vote.

With all the hard work the Republicans at the state level are putting in right now to suppress the votes in the 2022 and 2024 how much more of a popular vote spread will it take to overcome Republican road blocks to voting?

While everyone is shouting about the last stupid thing the racist old man that shiats his pants said yesterday, the party that controls more than half the states is systematically fixing the next election.

Focus people, fark Trump. The only time we ever need to hear about anything that coward, rapist, piece shiat has to say is sitting in front of a congressional investigation into his bullshiat, or in front of judge about his all his illegal bullshiat.
 
2021-07-22 10:44:19 AM  

FrancoFile: I urge everyone to read Neal Stephenson's novel of a few years back, "Fall: Or Dodge in Hell".

Specifically the stuff about Moab, Utah.  You really only need to get 1/3 of the way into the book to see that storyline unfold.  It's chilling.  And that's what we're living through right now.


And like most recent Stephenson books, you can stop reading after the second third.
 
2021-07-22 10:48:17 AM  
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2021-07-22 10:49:13 AM  

Rent Party: as it pissed off a whole lot of Democrats and led to the loss of mid-western blue collar workers.


I don't follow the second part. White blue collar workers largely support the GOP because of the white identity politics the GOP has played to the hilt. They didn't bail on the Democratic Party because the party tried too hard to reach conservatives. Democratic Party efforts couldn't compare to the propaganda of white grievance and the GOP's largely successful efforts to portray themselves as the party of "real Americans" (traditional, ordinary, Christian, small town, etc.).
 
2021-07-22 10:50:41 AM  

thorpe: "I don't care if you think I'm Satan reincarnate, the fact is you can't look at that television and say, nothing happened on the 6th."

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Just look at those friendly folks enjoying their shared love of... bicycle racks. It's a lovefest!
 
2021-07-22 10:50:44 AM  

Zagloba: EyeballKid: The mainstream Dems have to act like Trump was an aberration because they'd rather their base consist of Republicans who are upset Trump left them out of the grift rather than progressives and younger voters who expect their political representatives to work on their behalf.

I'd frame it a little differently. Most people vote based on identity affinity, and the Republican identity brand is still very strong. If the mainstream Democrats go around saying "Donald Trump is what the entire Republican Party has had under the mask this whole time" you're more likely to get Republican-identified types to say "welp, I guess if that's what I've been supporting this whole time I should double down". By presenting Trump as the aberration, it gives these people an option to reject him without a complete identity shock.


But they're already doubling down.  This guy is WHAT THEY ALWAYS WANTED.  They want a king.  They don't want democracy, they want "greatness".
 
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