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(The Verge)   Blizzard and Activision have apparently had plenty of practice honing their ethics in videogame journalism   (theverge.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
Afrasiabi was so known to engage in harassment of females that his suite was nicknamed the "Crosby Suite" after alleged rapist Bill Crosby.

I'm worried that they're going to let Bill Crosby out of prison on some stupid technicality like they did with that other notorious alleged rapist, Bill Cosby.
 
4 days ago  
Blizzard-Activision is going Trump-tard as part of their PR response.
"...We are sickened by the reprehensible conduct of the DFEH to drag into the complaint the tragic suicide of an employee whose passing has no bearing whatsoever on this case and with no regard for her grieving family. While we find this behavior to be disgraceful and unprofessional, it is unfortunately an example of how they have conducted themselves throughout the course of their investigation. It is this type of irresponsible behavior from unaccountable State bureaucrats that are driving many of the State's best businesses out of California. "


https://www.wowhead.com/news/activisi​o​n-blizzard-being-sued-by-california-ov​er-discrimination-against-female-32350​3

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4 days ago  
You know, I wouldn't put it past Blizz to put an advertisement in the middle of their response.

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4 days ago  
This article contains even worse details:

The suit also points to a female Activision employee who took her own life while on a company trip with her male supervisor. The employee had been subjected to intense sexual harassment prior to her death, including having nude photos passed around at a company holiday party, the complaint says.
 
4 days ago  
Last penny I gave them was the Warcraft 3 expansion, bought on sale.

Things changed when WoW was announced. I remember the PR disaster that was the beta test access codes. In response to a tiny group complaining, they hosed everyone else AND themselves.

Diablo 2 already had a black market problem at the time. They learned nothing from it and just poured gas on the fire.

fark Blizzard
 
4 days ago  
Games made for incels, by incels.
 
4 days ago  
I'm Myk's complete lack of surprise.
 
4 days ago  
LOL at their response, they don't even directly deny any of it.
 
4 days ago  
Look, if those women didn't want to be harrassed they should have gotten another job.

/gamergate logic
 
4 days ago  
Blizzard's had this reputation in the industry since the early 2000s.
 
4 days ago  

t3knomanser: This article contains even worse details:

The suit also points to a female Activision employee who took her own life while on a company trip with her male supervisor. The employee had been subjected to intense sexual harassment prior to her death, including having nude photos passed around at a company holiday party, the complaint says.


JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZUS!!

I can't even snark, that is supremely, deeply farked up! This is the kind of shiat that arbitration clauses in employment contracts can cause if left to fester.

Also, the fact that this is the state of CA, and not a group of former employees, bringing the suit means they're pretty certain they have a pretty solid case. They wouldn't go after a company with more money than god otherwise.
 
4 days ago  
This is the gaming culture we normalized.

Collective "we".  Anyone who excused it, or said That's Just How It Is, or you can just mute, or even "I'm [blank] and it never bothered me".  It's too late to discourage now because it is now expected.

Of course it worked it's way upward.
 
4 days ago  
Hard to believe this would happen in an industry that considered G-string armor for women a thing.
 
4 days ago  

Pocket Ninja: Afrasiabi was so known to engage in harassment of females that his suite was nicknamed the "Crosby Suite" after alleged rapist Bill Crosby.

I'm worried that they're going to let Bill Crosby out of prison on some stupid technicality like they did with that other notorious alleged rapist, Bill Cosby.


I always get him confused with the singer Bing Cosby.
 
4 days ago  

SPARC Pile: Blizzard-Activision is going Trump-tard as part of their PR response.
"...We are sickened by the reprehensible conduct of the DFEH to drag into the complaint the tragic suicide of an employee whose passing has no bearing whatsoever on this case and with no regard for her grieving family. While we find this behavior to be disgraceful and unprofessional, it is unfortunately an example of how they have conducted themselves throughout the course of their investigation. It is this type of irresponsible behavior from unaccountable State bureaucrats that are driving many of the State's best businesses out of California. "


https://www.wowhead.com/news/activisio​n-blizzard-being-sued-by-california-ov​er-discrimination-against-female-32350​3

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t3knomanser: This article contains even worse details:

The suit also points to a female Activision employee who took her own life while on a company trip with her male supervisor. The employee had been subjected to intense sexual harassment prior to her death, including having nude photos passed around at a company holiday party, the complaint says.


Wow.  Yeah, that's not a good look at all, Blizzard.  "How dare they bring up this woman who was sexually harrassed while addressing sexual harrasment?"
 
4 days ago  

skyotter: This is the gaming culture we normalized.

Collective "we".  Anyone who excused it, or said That's Just How It Is, or you can just mute, or even "I'm [blank] and it never bothered me".  It's too late to discourage now because it is now expected.

Of course it worked it's way upward.


Plus, aside from a few folks actually doing actual work, game journalism has been nothing but a laundromat for press releases. Ubisoft hasn't done anything to the people at the top who engaged in and fostered their harassment/rape culture for years, but unless you're reading/watching specific people you wouldn't be aware of any of it. Most press about Ubisoft is about "ZOMG NEW FARCRY WITH LOS POLLOS HERMANOS DUDE! SPLOOGE!!!"
 
4 days ago  
Ubisoft as well.
 
4 days ago  
Truly, I am shocked, SHOCKED that the company that brought the phrase "battle bikini" in popular culture has issues with sexual harassment.
 
4 days ago  

RedPhoenix122: Pocket Ninja: Afrasiabi was so known to engage in harassment of females that his suite was nicknamed the "Crosby Suite" after alleged rapist Bill Crosby.

I'm worried that they're going to let Bill Crosby out of prison on some stupid technicality like they did with that other notorious alleged rapist, Bill Cosby.

I always get him confused with the singer Bing Cosby.


Bing was the head of a talented family, his son norm became a comedian, and his son gary and daughter mary became actors.
 
4 days ago  

skyotter: This is the gaming culture we normalized.

Collective "we".  Anyone who excused it, or said That's Just How It Is, or you can just mute, or even "I'm [blank] and it never bothered me".  It's too late to discourage now because it is now expected.

Of course it worked it's way upward.


Speak for yourself.  I spent years railing against toxic gaming culture, troll culture, and how corporatized games were becoming on a certain game site.

I finally realized there is nothing about gaming culture worth saving and people will never stop lining up to buy the next steaming pile of micro-transaction bullshiat from EA, B-A, or Ubisoft.
 
4 days ago  
So Cybergrope 3034 will be pushed back this year?
 
4 days ago  
Misogyny has existed in gaming since its inception.
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4 days ago  
This behavior was known to supervisors and indeed encouraged by them, including a male supervisor openly encouraging a male subordinate to "buy" a prostitute to cure his bad mood.

Well, that's obviously bad behavior. You rent prostitutes, not buy them.
 
4 days ago  

xalres: skyotter: This is the gaming culture we normalized.

Collective "we".  Anyone who excused it, or said That's Just How It Is, or you can just mute, or even "I'm [blank] and it never bothered me".  It's too late to discourage now because it is now expected.

Of course it worked it's way upward.

Plus, aside from a few folks actually doing actual work, game journalism has been nothing but a laundromat for press releases. Ubisoft hasn't done anything to the people at the top who engaged in and fostered their harassment/rape culture for years, but unless you're reading/watching specific people you wouldn't be aware of any of it. Most press about Ubisoft is about "ZOMG NEW FARCRY WITH LOS POLLOS HERMANOS DUDE! SPLOOGE!!!"


Because video game journalism is a by product and reflection of video game fans. Actual journalism doesn't get clicks and anything that is perceived as too critical of a even slightly popular game or company that people like is immediately met with disdain, derision and claims of bias.

And now it's mostly youtube influencers that are paid for pushing specific content.
 
4 days ago  

Harry Wagstaff: Games made for incels, by incels.


So all the women who work there that were being harassed are incels?
 
4 days ago  

skyotter: This is the gaming culture we normalized.

Collective "we".  Anyone who excused it, or said That's Just How It Is, or you can just mute, or even "I'm [blank] and it never bothered me".  It's too late to discourage now because it is now expected.

Of course it worked it's way upward.


We?

Back in the day part of the reason my clan's Counterstrike server was one of the most popular on the East Coast was because we didn't tolerate misogyny at all. We'd joyfully boot/ban any players who didn't treat our female players as anything other than just another player. No creepiness, no abuse - no female harassing bullshiat of any kind was tolerated. Female gamers frequently thanked us for it, and played on our server a lot and some joined our clan. They were glad there was a place they could actually talk on voice chat, and be women online without it turning into a shiatshow of immature and misogynistic assholes driving them offline.

This was more than 20 years ago... The MONG/A&W clan server, on the slim chance anyone remembers it at this point.

Same thing for the years I played WoW. I wouldn't want to have been a part of any guild which wasn't a safe place for women gamers, I don't have to be a woman myself to not want to play with people who don't understand women are people. So I didn't.

Myself and my friends couldn't change the whole culture, but it's not like no one was ever trying to do their part. Some of us most certainly were.
 
4 days ago  
Man, that's disappointing, if not surprising. I have worked for several gaming companies, including running the QA department at Blizzard in the mid-90s, up to my third and last Sony stint a few years ago, and it's been depressing watching the gaming industry go backwards over the decades.  Not that it was some enlightened egalitarian utopia to begin with, but while most of the tech industry, at least here in SoCal, has made the minimum attempts, the game industry has somehow gotten shiattier and shiattier.  It's not just the sexism and harassment, although that is indeed rampant (If we hear similar things about the console division at Sony, I will not be surprised), but the companies have managed to treat their employees even worse as time as gone by.  It's disheartening seeing an industry I was so involved in early on turn into crap in so many ways.
 
4 days ago  
Most beloved studio in like 2003....
 
4 days ago  

PanicAttack: Misogyny has existed in gaming since its inception.
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It makes me sad to realize how misogynistic he was. Also, it's weird, because the last 4-5 campaigns I have played in have all been majority women. I hope he learned better in the years between that post and his death.
 
4 days ago  
Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.
 
4 days ago  

xalres: Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.


I think there may still be a few major studios out there who aren't that bad, but I would struggle to name them if I'm being honest.
 
4 days ago  
Blizzard is cancer wrapped in AIDS then dipped in Ebola and then rolled in a coating of more cancer.
 
4 days ago  

Muzzleloader: RedPhoenix122: Pocket Ninja: Afrasiabi was so known to engage in harassment of females that his suite was nicknamed the "Crosby Suite" after alleged rapist Bill Crosby.

I'm worried that they're going to let Bill Crosby out of prison on some stupid technicality like they did with that other notorious alleged rapist, Bill Cosby.

I always get him confused with the singer Bing Cosby.

Bing was the head of a talented family, his son norm became a comedian, and his son gary and daughter mary became actors.


His son Dennis was also a singer and occasional actor. And his granddaughter ...

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4 days ago  

skyotter: This is the gaming culture we normalized.

Collective "we".  Anyone who excused it, or said That's Just How It Is, or you can just mute, or even "I'm [blank] and it never bothered me".  It's too late to discourage now because it is now expected.

Of course it worked it's way upward.


This type of abhorrent behaviour is almost always a case of working downward, not up. Their HR department was openly encouraging sexual assault and retaliated against any employee who complained.
 
4 days ago  

xcheopis: This type of abhorrent behaviour is almost always a case of working downward, not up.


I think that part of it is that the people who were once the people being influenced by the creators are now the creators, so what started as downward becomes upward and then doward again. There are still plenty of people here on Fark who think that Gamergate was actually about ethics in gaming journalism.
 
4 days ago  

xalres: Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.


I love it, great music, great art style, cool crow guy.
 
4 days ago  

SPARC Pile: Blizzard-Activision is going Trump-tard as part of their PR response.
"...We are sickened by the reprehensible conduct of the DFEH to drag into the complaint the tragic suicide of an employee whose passing has no bearing whatsoever on this case and with no regard for her grieving family. While we find this behavior to be disgraceful and unprofessional, it is unfortunately an example of how they have conducted themselves throughout the course of their investigation. It is this type of irresponsible behavior from unaccountable State bureaucrats that are driving many of the State's best businesses out of California. "


https://www.wowhead.com/news/activisio​n-blizzard-being-sued-by-california-ov​er-discrimination-against-female-32350​3

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Their entire response is basically the narcissist's prayer in a long, corporate form.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did...
You deserved it.
 
4 days ago  

Pocket Ninja: Afrasiabi was so known to engage in harassment of females that his suite was nicknamed the "Crosby Suite" after alleged rapist Bill Crosby.

I'm worried that they're going to let Bill Crosby out of prison on some stupid technicality like they did with that other notorious alleged rapist, Bill Cosby.


I'm still holding out hope for Bill Stickers to be exonerated
 
4 days ago  

xalres: Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.


Haven't heard anything negative about Guerilla Games.
 
4 days ago  

Flappyhead: xalres: Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.

Haven't heard anything negative about Guerilla Games.


I had a contact at Bethesda who spoke well of the company culture, befoire they left, but somehow I feel like they may have left due to that culture.
 
4 days ago  

xalres: Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.


Paradox?
 
4 days ago  
Looks like it's a race between Final Fantasy XIV and Blizzard's sexual fantasies to see who can kill the company first.
 
4 days ago  

overzelus: xalres: Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.

Paradox?


Acid Nerve, same guys who made Titan Souls, published by Devolver
 
4 days ago  
It boggles my mind that these kinds of douche bros still infest the gaming industry, but I also forget Activision-Blizzard is still exists because it has been literally over a decade since I've played any Call of Duty, and the last Blizzard game I bought was Diablo 3.

Username checks out.
 
4 days ago  
This reminds me of the time I almost went to work at another AAA studio here. I got pretty bad vibes after the interview when they warned me about the salary they were going to offer and asked if I still wanted to proceed with the offer process. Ended up backing out of that at the time since I assumed they were going to pay me jack sh*t.

/it wouldn't surprise me if they had/still have a sexual harassment problem, too.
 
4 days ago  

themindiswatching: This reminds me of the time I almost went to work at another AAA studio here. I got pretty bad vibes after the interview when they warned me about the salary they were going to offer and asked if I still wanted to proceed with the offer process. Ended up backing out of that at the time since I assumed they were going to pay me jack sh*t.

/it wouldn't surprise me if they had/still have a sexual harassment problem, too.


Let me guess, Rockstar San Diego
 
4 days ago  
The picture the DFEH paints is not the Blizzard workplace of today. Over the past several years and continuing since the initial investigation started, we've made significant changes to address company culture and reflect more diversity within our leadership teams.

"Sure, that was us, but it's not us now - not since you folks discovered that was us, anyway. We're doing our best to hide.. er, shield... er, deflect... er, address what we used to do, so you can't use it against us now, dagnabbit!"

Yeah. Try that defense elsewhere. "Sure, I used to be a rapist, but I stopped raping folks once the cops started asking about all the rapes, so to hear my good name besmirched because of things I used to do so very long ago is just heart-breaking, I tell you, HEART-BREAKING!"
 
4 days ago  
Ah, the Aughts at Microsoft. Afternoon beer coolers at work, parties after work, huge bar tabs, drunken passes, the works. They got over it.
 
4 days ago  

Beta Tested: themindiswatching: This reminds me of the time I almost went to work at another AAA studio here. I got pretty bad vibes after the interview when they warned me about the salary they were going to offer and asked if I still wanted to proceed with the offer process. Ended up backing out of that at the time since I assumed they were going to pay me jack sh*t.

/it wouldn't surprise me if they had/still have a sexual harassment problem, too.

Let me guess, Rockstar San Diego


Yep. Although, they could have just not warned me and given me an offer anyway I suppose.

Anyway, I'm thinking sh*t culture at game studios comes down to the following:

1. Pay sh*t salaries, meaning that you mostly get people just out of college who may not know how the job world is supposed to work and/or are immature assholes.
2. Promote mostly/solely internally so management ends up propagating the same toxic culture by virtue of not being a good role model for the inexperienced just out of college people they're hiring.

In short, it's possible that a fair bit of it will be fixed if you (a) pay people more and (b) consider promoting externally once in a while. You'll still need to actually have a strong HR department who will impose consequences in response to complaints, of course, but being able to attract better caliber staff would hopefully cut down on the number of HR complaints in the first place.

/I'm sure I'm missing a lot in my proposal, though.
 
4 days ago  

Fart And Smunny: xalres: Is there any AAA game studio that isn't completely toxic or exploitative? Ferfuxake!

Luckily we're in a golden age of indies. Gonna get Death's Door today.

I think there may still be a few major studios out there who aren't that bad, but I would struggle to name them if I'm being honest.


Say what you will about Epic Games on a business level, their corporate culture is very much about avoiding this kind of toxic crap. They go to considerable effort to make sure their culture is inclusive and supportive, and I have gotten good reviews from women and various LGBTQ+ folks working there.
 
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