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(Forbes)   Astronomers know precisely what satellite megaconstellations are going to do to our sky and our planet. And industry is going to fight tooth-and-nail to do it anyway   (forbes.com) divider line
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2021-07-22 4:07:32 AM  
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Capitalism is farking cancer.
 
2021-07-22 5:12:34 AM  
On the plus side, we're finally getting around to putting giant VLF antennas in the van allen belts to make them crash into the auroras.
 
2021-07-22 5:32:12 AM  
Elon is a dick.
 
2021-07-22 5:59:06 AM  
This should get added to the next fallout game as a potential weather effect/random event.  Deorbiting satellites
 
2021-07-22 6:20:16 AM  
Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.
 
2021-07-22 6:30:19 AM  

MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


This.  Seriously, if you make space cheaper and more accessible to more customers, more shiat winds up in orbit.  Well fark, that's kind of been the point.

I don't understand how you get the Neil deGrasse Tyson types, who've been clamoring for increased access to space for -decades-, in a manner that's not solely for nation state dick measuring contests, suddenly act surprised when increased access to space happens, and its used for commercial purposes?  What did you think democratization of space was gonna look like?
 
2021-07-22 6:53:31 AM  

MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


I still have to applaud Iridium for turning satellite flare problems into a fan club.
 
2021-07-22 7:01:41 AM  
Just like I fought tooth and nail to get a croissant from the corner cafe this morning.
 
2021-07-22 7:13:36 AM  
"In the future, everyone will have their own satellite for 15 minutes."
 
2021-07-22 7:15:24 AM  

MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


Um..... the James Webb is going to launch when?

I mean, sure, there are some ground based observatories that have had delays (like the 30m because of their stupidity in picking a site), but it's nowhere near the delays for space-based telescopes

At the very least, there needs to be a tax on satellites.  Maybe make it based on how bright they are, annually, and they can stop paying once they've de-orbited it.

This is just another case of the tragedy of the commons

/did some consulting for DKIST
//also worked with SOHO, STEREO, SDO, and a bunch of spacecraft
 
2021-07-22 8:45:43 AM  
This was inevitable. I'm a big astronomy geek, but astronomers need to stop arguing about it and figure out a solution because this is going to get worse over time. Starlink isn't the only company out there with this business model, they're just the first.
 
2021-07-22 8:48:47 AM  
Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.
 
2021-07-22 8:54:34 AM  
NASA has a number of ex-spy satellites lying around and hasn't gotten around to launching them... although they were gifted by the NRO to become telescopes (just like Hubble is a turned-around KH-11)... and the "geoengineering" crap is clickbait.
 
2021-07-22 8:57:48 AM  

TWolfJaeger: MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.

This.  Seriously, if you make space cheaper and more accessible to more customers, more shiat winds up in orbit.  Well fark, that's kind of been the point.

I don't understand how you get the Neil deGrasse Tyson types, who've been clamoring for increased access to space for -decades-, in a manner that's not solely for nation state dick measuring contests, suddenly act surprised when increased access to space happens, and its used for commercial purposes?  What did you think democratization of space was gonna look like?


I never got the impression Tyson was in favor of more commsats for rich parasite asswipes; but rather actual exploration for human benefit and advancement.
 
2021-07-22 9:29:04 AM  

question_dj: Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.


So the solution is no more satellites in LEO because these guys have research to do. Everyone out of their way. LEO is closed. Where should we put the moose to let everyone know?
 
2021-07-22 9:58:24 AM  

Russ1642: question_dj: Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.

So the solution is no more satellites in LEO because these guys have research to do. Everyone out of their way. LEO is closed. Where should we put the moose to let everyone know?


On the launchpad?
 
2021-07-22 10:02:02 AM  

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Capitalism is farking cancer.


And THAT'S from a documentary made by capitalists who have taken over the system already, so it's probably going to be a lot worse than that.
 
2021-07-22 10:12:59 AM  

koder: [Fark user image image 500x288]

Capitalism is farking cancer.


Pentagon smiles
 
2021-07-22 10:14:28 AM  

RolandTGunner: "In the future, everyone will have their own satellite for 15 minutes."


Or 24/7 to be spied on
 
2021-07-22 10:19:01 AM  
Uh oh, one of these threads again.

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2021-07-22 10:40:10 AM  

MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


It's not just amateurs. There's a lot of good science being done by ground-based observatories that would be prohibitively expensive to do in space. And a more immediate concern is that asteroid-detecting instruments like LSST may be hobbled.

This idea that the only real science being done is being done by space observatories not accurate at all.
 
2021-07-22 10:55:37 AM  
Astronomers and those on their side may scream all they want but the militaries of the world have bigger checkbooks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc​.​com/amp/2021/03/12/spacex-prepares-for​-air-force-test-of-starlink-satellite-​internet.html

These LEO constellations have huge strategic value and  this is why Russia, U.K. and China are also developing their own systems.  Real-time broadband data links are key to networked warfare and intelligence.
 
2021-07-22 11:45:24 AM  
I wonder how these threads will go when a Chinese company decides to start putting their own up there.
 
2021-07-22 12:05:36 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder how these threads will go when a Chinese company decides to start putting their own up there.


I can tell you based on another article detailing China's ghastly surveillance and mass detention of Uighurs that the comment section will absolutely drown in whataboutism.

Remember, if someone does something bad, a Fark thread ALWAYS has to criticize the US (or a US figure) as well, regardless of topical relevance.
 
2021-07-22 12:17:21 PM  

BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder how these threads will go when a Chinese company decides to start putting their own up there.

I can tell you based on another article detailing China's ghastly surveillance and mass detention of Uighurs that the comment section will absolutely drown in whataboutism.

Remember, if someone does something bad, a Fark thread ALWAYS has to criticize the US (or a US figure) as well, regardless of topical relevance.


That's the same kind of deflecting nonsense General Custer would've said as he ignited the satellite lasers against the Natives if he had them.
 
2021-07-22 12:17:46 PM  

AdrienVeidt: TWolfJaeger: MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.

This.  Seriously, if you make space cheaper and more accessible to more customers, more shiat winds up in orbit.  Well fark, that's kind of been the point.

I don't understand how you get the Neil deGrasse Tyson types, who've been clamoring for increased access to space for -decades-, in a manner that's not solely for nation state dick measuring contests, suddenly act surprised when increased access to space happens, and its used for commercial purposes?  What did you think democratization of space was gonna look like?

I never got the impression Tyson was in favor of more commsats for rich parasite asswipes; but rather actual exploration for human benefit and advancement.


The current megaconstellations are mostly going to benefit the country hicks where nobody wants to lay ordinary cable let alone fiber.  This includes any 3rd world countries dependent on wireless for communications.  They are amazingly pointless for any urban use, for values of "urban" meaning that any satellite overhead could also serve a city.  In those areas, expect them to be as congested as current GSO sat-nets (although latency will be much lower).

Sure, it will probably be paid for by selling ever-so-slightly-lower-latency between Wall Street and The City (or Brussels [Monaco?], if Brexit convinces them to move), but that is a completely zero-sum race unlikely to benefit *anybody* but SpaceX and those who need the thing made.

And because somebody *always* brings it up, these birds will *always* fall down and burn up a few months after running out of fuel, having the satellite fail (and thus not know when/where to fire the thrusters), or being told to burn up.  Kessler syndrome is nearly impossible in low Earth orbit, and if it happens will be over in well under a year.
 
Juc
2021-07-22 12:42:23 PM  
Well if you really want to stop it just sent up loads of rockets filled with ball bearings. they'll eventually smush a bunch of stuff. I mean probably kill the internet and get people lost too, but hey tha'ts a small price to pay to see uranus.
 
2021-07-22 1:06:50 PM  

TWolfJaeger: I don't understand how you get the Neil deGrasse Tyson types, who've been clamoring for increased access to space for -decades-, in a manner that's not solely for nation state dick measuring contests, suddenly act surprised when increased access to space happens, and its used for commercial purposes?  What did you think democratization of space was gonna look like?


Since when does capitalism have anything to do with democracy? You rocketheads are even more delusional than your average big fat American consumer.

the world doesn't revolve around making money, but you can't see to tell anymore, can you? Not when the world revolves around you.
And once all those dumb stars go out, you won't have to be reminded of how small and meaningless you are.
 
2021-07-22 1:44:29 PM  

cryinoutloud: the world doesn't revolve around making money


Which world are you talking about, because this one sure as shiat revolves around money. You can wish it didn't. You can be an idealist and think there's more to it than that. As it currently stands, this planet is all about money. Maybe it'll change some day, but today is not that day.
 
2021-07-22 2:11:15 PM  
If you don't want satellites in the sky. Just make fiber to the home available worldwide, and stop letting the existing telecoms skip out on service to less/unprofitable areas.
 
2021-07-23 3:58:30 AM  

Russ1642: question_dj: Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.

So the solution is no more satellites in LEO because these guys have research to do. Everyone out of their way. LEO is closed. Where should we put the moose to let everyone know?


I've read a lot of stupid shiat on Fark tonight, but winner-winner-chicken-dinner.
 
2021-07-23 3:59:54 AM  

Juc: Well if you really want to stop it just sent up loads of rockets filled with ball bearings. they'll eventually smush a bunch of stuff. I mean probably kill the internet and get people lost too, but hey tha'ts a small price to pay to see uranus.


Killing the internet doesn't really seem like a consequence. More of a feature, really.
 
2021-07-23 1:20:50 PM  

The Darkest Timeline: Russ1642: question_dj: Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.

So the solution is no more satellites in LEO because these guys have research to do. Everyone out of their way. LEO is closed. Where should we put the moose to let everyone know?

I've read a lot of stupid shiat on Fark tonight, but winner-winner-chicken-dinner.


Well, the argument is that people don't want lots of satellites in space. The ONLY way to do that is to not only regulate launches on an international basis, but to LIMIT them. Someone better get on that right away.
 
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