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(NBC Philadelphia)   Pennsylvania decertifies county's voting machines because Republican forensic audit may have compromised them   (nbcphiladelphia.com) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-07-22 2:13:07 AM  
I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?
 
2021-07-22 5:07:18 AM  
PA has certification(s)?

who knew?
 
2021-07-22 5:09:06 AM  
And the Republican march to delegitimize any election that doesn't only go their way continues apace.
 
2021-07-22 5:10:23 AM  
Now charge them.  Criminal?  Civil?  Recover the costs.
 
2021-07-22 5:10:49 AM  
Headlines like this will inevitably have the redhats foaming at the mouth with glee. All they'll see is that voting machines are being decertified which proves their "god emperor mean-daddy isn't really a loser, it was all a grand conspiracy and no I didn't read the article who has time for that I have an anti-vax rally to attend *cough cough*."
 
2021-07-22 5:16:41 AM  
Once again...

Pennsylvania demands its own FARK tag.

"Pennsyltucky?"
"South Pennsylina?"
 
2021-07-22 5:18:52 AM  
Ha crazy pillow guy was right!

These looney toons will just use this to justify that they were right about the election but omit the part about them being the reason why the machines can't be trusted.
 
2021-07-22 5:25:32 AM  
Ha Ha, the Republicans created spending.
 
2021-07-22 5:36:41 AM  
I'm wondering if it would be possible to just have Dominion come in on a service contract to reset the machine to factory specs.  It would be cheaper than purchasing new machines, or so I would expect.
 
2021-07-22 5:41:35 AM  

Murkanen: I'm wondering if it would be possible to just have Dominion come in on a service contract to reset the machine to factory specs.  It would be cheaper than purchasing new machines, or so I would expect.


They're still not going to get the smell out though.
 
2021-07-22 5:43:33 AM  

ZAZ: I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?


The lease probably covers maintenance and recertification. It's one reason to lease business goods, if it stops working you have coverage from the leasing company.
 
2021-07-22 5:50:54 AM  
The precedent is set. Any election that a Republican doesn't win will be, at best, viewed as illegitimate and, at worst, arbitrarily set aside.

American democracy is done unless the senate nukes the filibuster and passes For the People.
 
2021-07-22 6:05:12 AM  

ZAZ: I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?


Why would dominion open themselves up to assuming liability for fraud?
 
2021-07-22 6:07:33 AM  

wildcardjack: ZAZ: I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?

The lease probably covers maintenance and recertification. It's one reason to lease business goods, if it stops working you have coverage from the leasing company.


Yup that's why copiers at businesses are leased and not purchased.  Let someone else deal with all the maintenance, yes it's cheaper to buy one and use it but now you are on the hook for repairs.
 
2021-07-22 6:08:39 AM  

Murkanen: I'm wondering if it would be possible to just have Dominion come in on a service contract to reset the machine to factory specs.  It would be cheaper than purchasing new machines, or so I would expect.


According to the article, the "auditors" took full images of disks and USB drives. I'm not at all familiar with voting tech, but unless the executables were in some sort of secured partition, this means they have a copy of the software itself. Granted, that alone doesn't help them much, but if they took it to someone who knew how to reverse-engineer the binaries, they could--potentially--come away with some approximation of the source code. This would be invaluable to competitors, or certain groups with teams of hackers already on standby. Or, most likely in this case, both.

Dominion should really bring the hammer down on this crap. What a mess.
 
2021-07-22 6:33:42 AM  
The same morons screaming "But if you're so sure Biden won, why not accept handing over your entire voter file & open source voting machine code to the MyPillow guy, Steve Bannon, and our analyst Joe Americanguy who just flew in from the heartland on Aeroflot. What do you have to hide?" would certainly appreciate the same enforcement and investigative zeal when it came to their personal vaccine status, right?
 
2021-07-22 6:35:07 AM  
In an interview last month, Stuart Ulsh, chairman of the Fulton County commissioners, said no one touched their voting machines, except the county's computer staff, and that the county paid nothing for the inspection.

"This wasn't done looking for a problem," Ulsh said. "It was done for transparency."


Bullshiat. If they were actually interested in "transparency" they would've contacted the PA Secretary of State for guidance on how to do the audit...which would've resulted in having certified reps there to do the work in compliance with election procedure. Instead they had Joe from the county IT do it, and apparently didn't bother discussing this with anyone. "Transparent" my ass.
 
2021-07-22 6:38:27 AM  

Murkanen: I'm wondering if it would be possible to just have Dominion come in on a service contract to reset the machine to factory specs.  It would be cheaper than purchasing new machines, or so I would expect.


I'd prefer to see brand new, certified machines, with 50% of the costs charged personally to those who permitted unqualified idiots to access the equipment, the other 50% to the taxpayers who elected them, in the hopes that they will learn from this and not elect stupid/corrupt people in the future.
 
2021-07-22 6:45:16 AM  
Lay this shytshow right on the front door step of Doug Mastriano and Clint Owlett.
 
2021-07-22 7:04:59 AM  

ZAZ: I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?


Something like that could happen, but first the machines would be decertified.  Then the certification process would start from scratch.  It might well be cheaper to just replace them with precertified machines.  Time would also be a factor.
 
2021-07-22 7:06:38 AM  
May have?
 
2021-07-22 7:14:39 AM  
See!!! The Republicans are stimulating the economy through sheer idiocy!
 
2021-07-22 7:15:28 AM  

wildcardjack: ZAZ: I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?

The lease probably covers maintenance and recertification. It's one reason to lease business goods, if it stops working you have coverage from the leasing company.


That's what I was thinking. There is probably a procedure to re-certify the machines; it will just take time and money. A needless expense.
 
2021-07-22 7:17:22 AM  

eKonk: Murkanen: I'm wondering if it would be possible to just have Dominion come in on a service contract to reset the machine to factory specs.  It would be cheaper than purchasing new machines, or so I would expect.

I'd prefer to see brand new, certified machines, with 50% of the costs charged personally to those who permitted unqualified idiots to access the equipment, the other 50% to the taxpayers who elected them, in the hopes that they will learn from this and not elect stupid/corrupt people in the future.


I think a case can be made that the contractors destroyed the voting equipment and are therefore liable for damages.  Submit a claim on their business insurance.
That will also stop these types of companies from doing illegal things in the future.
 
2021-07-22 7:19:38 AM  
PA Dept of State explicitly told Republicans trying to do third party audits that equipment WILL BE DECERTIFIED

That was two weeks ago

They did it anyways.
 
2021-07-22 7:21:16 AM  

eKonk: I'd prefer to see brand new, certified machines, with 50% of the costs charged personally to those who permitted unqualified idiots to access the equipment, the other 50% to the taxpayers who elected them, in the hopes that they will learn from this and not elect stupid/corrupt people in the future.


Why not just use completely unhackable voting machines which cost a few cents each? The rest of the world does.

Australian voting machines have never once been hacked, and never needed auditing either. But sometimes they do need sharpening.

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2021-07-22 7:26:27 AM  
Here's an idea...  How about the next time someone wants to run an audit, it is completely independent.

It should not be run by Democrats.  It should not be run by Republicans.  They should be impartial election officials with whatever certifications are required for such.

That is how all recounts and audits should be done.  The idea that we have allowed the GOP to actually even see these machines for themselves means that the entire system is compromised.

Let's not do that again.
 
2021-07-22 7:26:51 AM  
So now that voting machines have been found to be tampered with, are liberals willing to accept that frauds has happened in the election?
 
2021-07-22 7:28:41 AM  

durbnpoisn: Here's an idea...  How about the next time someone wants to run an audit, it is completely independent.

It should not be run by Democrats.  It should not be run by Republicans.  They should be impartial election officials with whatever certifications are required for such.

That is how all recounts and audits should be done.  The idea that we have allowed the GOP to actually even see these machines for themselves means that the entire system is compromised.

Let's not do that again.


I like how everyone keeps trying to make up rules that they can't enforce
 
2021-07-22 7:28:44 AM  

snowshovel: So now that voting machines have been found to be tampered with, are liberals willing to accept that frauds has happened in the election?


Lol that's the best you could do this early?
 
2021-07-22 7:32:56 AM  

Northern: eKonk: Murkanen: I'm wondering if it would be possible to just have Dominion come in on a service contract to reset the machine to factory specs.  It would be cheaper than purchasing new machines, or so I would expect.

I'd prefer to see brand new, certified machines, with 50% of the costs charged personally to those who permitted unqualified idiots to access the equipment, the other 50% to the taxpayers who elected them, in the hopes that they will learn from this and not elect stupid/corrupt people in the future.

I think a case can be made that the contractors destroyed the voting equipment and are therefore liable for damages.  Submit a claim on their business insurance.
That will also stop these types of companies from doing illegal things in the future.


Maybe - I'd have to see what they contracted to do.

If they could demonstrate qualification to complete a legitimate audit, then screwed up and the machines were decertified, yes, hold them liable.

If they had no qualification, were honest about that, and did their job exactly how their contract read? I think that puts the blame on the idiots that gave them the job.

If they came in promising to f*ck things up, then did it, I would like to see both civil and criminal penalties for the contractors and those that hired them.
 
2021-07-22 7:35:03 AM  
We should uses Ivanka's machines.
 
2021-07-22 7:35:36 AM  

Aussie_As: eKonk: I'd prefer to see brand new, certified machines, with 50% of the costs charged personally to those who permitted unqualified idiots to access the equipment, the other 50% to the taxpayers who elected them, in the hopes that they will learn from this and not elect stupid/corrupt people in the future.

Why not just use completely unhackable voting machines which cost a few cents each? The rest of the world does.

Australian voting machines have never once been hacked, and never needed auditing either. But sometimes they do need sharpening.

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I like it - and my state basically uses this system (fill-in-the-bubble ballots with optical scanners to tabulate).  It does still need auditing to verify the counts are accurate, but as long as the ballots are kept secure an honest and transparent audit can be completed - which is a big step up from some voting machines (some states actually allow machines with no paper record at all, which is ridiculously stupid).
 
2021-07-22 7:40:20 AM  

wildcardjack: ZAZ: I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?

The lease probably covers maintenance and recertification. It's one reason to lease business goods, if it stops working you have coverage from the leasing company.


A lot of times those leases also have a stipulation that if you let someone else look (using test equipment on or uploading/downloading content) or work on the equipment, you have voided the lease. Fulton County may now be financially liable to restore equipment using approved Dominion technicians.
 
2021-07-22 7:41:42 AM  

ZAZ: I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County's leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election

Can they terminate the lease early and start a new lease that happens to use the same machines? I know the Secretary of State would not like it, but is it legal if Dominion produces a piece of paper saying "looks good to me"?


Why would they? If they're decertifying the machines because republican operatives were farking around with them improperly, there's no reason whatsoever for Pennsylvania to accept a "I'm sure it'll be fine" note.

This is a good opportunity to go back to "pencil, paper, and cardboard boxes". The simple methods work.
 
2021-07-22 7:43:16 AM  

snowshovel: So now that voting machines have been found to be tampered with, are liberals willing to accept that frauds has happened in the election?


John Oliver did a bit well before the election about how insecure voting machines can be. It's hardly news that there are risks associated with them, particularly to the liberals who watch John Oliver's stuff.

But the widespread frauds over multiple counties in multiple states that Trump and the Trumpanzees are alleging would require thousands of co-conspirators and would be easily detectable. They haven't found shiat. One of Trump's DoJ's last acts was to investigate this stuff and they came up with squat, because that's exactly what was there to come up with. Trump still hasn't forgiven Barr for that. Instead we're meant to believe it was Italian satellites or some shiat.

So I don't know if you're being serious but the TFA is about what happened after the election and it proves exactly fark-all other than Republicans are very wasteful of resources which I'm sure wasn't the point anyone on that side was trying to prove.
 
2021-07-22 7:48:08 AM  

snowshovel: So now that voting machines have been found to be tampered with, are liberals willing to accept that frauds has happened in the election?


Nope.  Everyone is certainly willing to accept that fraud happened AFTER the election, though.

(see that?  I replied to your pants-on-head stupid comment.  I bet your penis just got a little harder, didn't it?)
 
2021-07-22 7:48:16 AM  
Anything a Republican touches instantly becomes contaminated. Be careful out there folks.
 
2021-07-22 7:53:30 AM  

Aussie_As: snowshovel: So now that voting machines have been found to be tampered with, are liberals willing to accept that frauds has happened in the election?

John Oliver did a bit well before the election about how insecure voting machines can be. It's hardly news that there are risks associated with them, particularly to the liberals who watch John Oliver's stuff.

But the widespread frauds over multiple counties in multiple states that Trump and the Trumpanzees are alleging would require thousands of co-conspirators and would be easily detectable. They haven't found shiat. One of Trump's DoJ's last acts was to investigate this stuff and they came up with squat, because that's exactly what was there to come up with. Trump still hasn't forgiven Barr for that. Instead we're meant to believe it was Italian satellites or some shiat.

So I don't know if you're being serious but the TFA is about what happened after the election and it proves exactly fark-all other than Republicans are very wasteful of resources which I'm sure wasn't the point anyone on that side was trying to prove.


Actually - I know we're not supposed to go public with this, but I can't help myself - There was a widespread conspiracy to get trump out of office.  Over 81 Million of us got together, sworn to secrecy, to deploy our nefarious plan. We then went out, registered to vote in a very nefarious manner, and then, to top our devious plan off....voted for Biden. It was risky, but we knew if we did it right and kept our mouths shut, we just might be able to pull off the biggest election steal in our country's history.  Up until now, no one has breathed a word about it. I'm hoping that enough time has passed that letting our secret out doesn't ruin the outcome of such a heinous plan...
 
2021-07-22 7:54:39 AM  
Dang it, I need a thesaurus. That was one too many "nefariouses" for one post.
 
2021-07-22 8:02:03 AM  

eKonk: Dang it, I need a thesaurus. That was one too many "nefariouses" for one post.


You could try "dastardly", or if you want extra points for ironic mockery, "deplorable".
 
2021-07-22 8:08:51 AM  
Degraffenreid Decertified.
 
2021-07-22 8:09:53 AM  

billy_chuck: Once again...

Pennsylvania demands its own FARK tag.

"Pennsyltucky?"
"South Pennsylina?"


For a very rare time on Fark, the answer is "A."
 
2021-07-22 8:11:12 AM  

durbnpoisn: Here's an idea...  How about the next time someone wants to run an audit, it is completely independent.

It should not be run by Democrats.  It should not be run by Republicans.  They should be impartial election officials with whatever certifications are required for such.

That is how all recounts and audits should be done.  The idea that we have allowed the GOP to actually even see these machines for themselves means that the entire system is compromised.

Let's not do that again.


Where are we finding these magical, non-existent people? We can barely get impartial juries in this country.
 
2021-07-22 8:13:50 AM  

eKonk: Actually - I know we're not supposed to go public with this, but I can't help myself - There was a widespread conspiracy to get trump out of office.  Over 81 Million of us got together, sworn to secrecy, to deploy our nefarious plan.


Farking gold, well done that Farker.
 
2021-07-22 8:24:05 AM  
And this is the A-hole demanding the PA audit

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2021-07-22 8:26:19 AM  

snowshovel: So now that voting machines have been found to be tampered with, are liberals willing to accept that frauds has happened in the election?


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2021-07-22 8:28:12 AM  
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2021-07-22 8:31:42 AM  
8000 votes -- 7000 of which went to Trump.....and you wanted to audit that result??

There is literally zero reason to question that result -- so it was clearly done for political reasons.

And now you have to give Doninion more money. F*** around and find out some more, why doncha?
 
2021-07-22 8:32:31 AM  
The other issue, that hasn't really been talked about, is the loss of election officials (on top of the voting machine insanity).

Was reading the other day that so many election officials in a lot of states just won't be coming back, mostly due to the fact that they are being regularly harassed, and continue to get death threats for just doing their jobs.

Due to both of these things happening, the midterms of 2022 and any other elections are going to be an outright sh*tshow.
 
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