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(Mediaite)   Jesse Watters can prove his idea by getting into a 150 degree sauna and remaining there for a week. So why hasn't he   (mediaite.com) divider line
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2021-07-22 12:46:16 AM  
That guy is as dumb as a stump. He was amusing when he did his man on the street gig, but now they think he is a serious journalist. He's not.
 
2021-07-22 1:01:05 AM  
We are, thankfully, not yet at wet bulb conditions of high heat + high humidity such that even healthy humans cannot cool themselves down by sweating enough to stay alive. Are we getting closer? Considering 4x as many people died during recent heat waves as would during typical summer conditions it seems that mother nature is done giving our species a hall pass for its damage to earth's climate. Anyway, let's not be sad about that when we can celebrate billionaires launching themselves on joyrides to the edge of space.
 
2021-07-22 1:42:25 AM  
Sure.

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2021-07-22 2:31:08 AM  
Excerpt from "Ministry for the Future" regarding what higher wet bulb temperatures do to the body.

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2021-07-22 6:27:45 AM  
Hyperthermia parboiling his brain will only make him smarter.
 
2021-07-22 7:00:49 AM  
Over the course of the Earth's natural history nature has evolved to deal with changing climate many, many times. It's done this but not without large-scale extinctions and population crashes. And that's when the climate has changed over the course of millenia (which, in a natural history scale, is very quickly). We're changing it measurably in a decade-on-decade sense right now, which would only previously have been seen due to massive events like meteors creating dust clouds and dropping temperatures.

Dinosaur farts created a greenhouse effect long before we ever came along. But that would have been over hundreds of thousands of years. Forests would have moved and landscapes would have changed, but in a way that plants and animals could adapt to either by slowly moving habitat (plants don't move but their offspring grow in different places) over generations. When they couldn't they crashed or disappeared entirely.

Jesse Waters doesn't have a farking clue is what I'm getting at here.
 
2021-07-22 7:23:36 AM  
When you fall overboard, you don't call for help; you evolve gills!
 
2021-07-22 7:24:39 AM  

make me some tea: Excerpt from "Ministry for the Future" regarding what higher wet bulb temperatures do to the body.

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fark thats terrifying
 
2021-07-22 7:29:12 AM  
It's weird how conservatives oppose change, yet rather than having any form of responsibility for the world's wealthiest people and corporations, they'd rather have to completely reconfigure every aspect of life.

Great, the liberal coasts sink. Where do you think all those people are going to go? What will you do with the bankrupt insurance industry? With all of those materials that went into building those cities gone and resources for making more dwindling, what's your plan for building new cities? Where will the farmland be if the areas that have the most nutrients in the soil are now too hot for growing crops? What if the areas that become the proper climate don't have the nutrients and can't produce as much food?

But no, let's act as though wearing a mask and not getting to buy a truck that gets 10 mpg is TRUE change that no one could possibly handle.
 
2021-07-22 7:33:27 AM  
See also "ending racism by pretending it doesn't exist".
 
2021-07-22 7:35:05 AM  
I don't know who this is or why anyone should care what he thinks.
 
2021-07-22 7:35:26 AM  
Conservatives aren't going to adapt to climate change.

Just look at all the "adaptation" they did in response to a lethal pandemic.
 
2021-07-22 7:36:39 AM  
Better yet, when it comes to gauging our adaptability to runaway climate change, some boots-on-the-ground observations of Venus by Watters would be helpful.

/melting boots
 
2021-07-22 7:39:35 AM  
The kind of person who would fix roof leaks by buying moar buckets to put under the leaks. Truly one the great thinkers of our times.
 
2021-07-22 7:41:33 AM  

FlashHarry: When you fall overboard, you don't call for help; you evolve gills!


Wrong lot. These folks would pray for gills.
 
2021-07-22 7:41:44 AM  

Aussie_As: Over the course of the Earth's natural history nature has evolved to deal with changing climate many, many times. It's done this but not without large-scale extinctions and population crashes. And that's when the climate has changed over the course of millenia (which, in a natural history scale, is very quickly). We're changing it measurably in a decade-on-decade sense right now, which would only previously have been seen due to massive events like meteors creating dust clouds and dropping temperatures.

Dinosaur farts created a greenhouse effect long before we ever came along. But that would have been over hundreds of thousands of years. Forests would have moved and landscapes would have changed, but in a way that plants and animals could adapt to either by slowly moving habitat (plants don't move but their offspring grow in different places) over generations. When they couldn't they crashed or disappeared entirely.

Jesse Waters doesn't have a farking clue is what I'm getting at here.


You're right, except for one thing: The mass extinction events (of which there are any from 5-20 of them in Earth's history depending on how you want to count them) are BECAUSE of rapid climate change, not in spite of it. That is, the climate changed to quickly for species to adapt.

And most of the time this was simply a change in the ph balance or composition of the Earth's atmosphere. At one time oxygen was considered a harmful, toxic substance -- no life could use it. But all life produced it as a waste product, resulting in the oxygen catastrophe which wiped out most of the life on the Earth.

Or there was great geologic upheaval caused by the Siberian Traps, which led to an event simply known as the Great Dying.

Or sometimes an asteroid strikes the planet and farks everything up.

Make no mistake: Change in the Earth's geology, tectonics, atmospheric composition, tidal constitution, etc... occur slowly. So slowly we can barely notice it. Not in the order of millions of years. When things are this stable, life flourishes.

But occasionally natural flash-bang events happen which fark everything up, leading to cascading consequences to everything from atmosphere to topography very very quickly. And that causes catastrophic loss of life. It simply cannot evolve fast enough to accommodate the new changes to its environment, and it dies out. It's rare, but it has happened frequently enough in our past for it to be a concern.

Now here's the scary part: It's happening again right now, but this time the mechanism for the change is not natural.
 
2021-07-22 7:42:55 AM  
Could have sworn this was about my Floriduh, Kunservuhtuv, cousin. Great guy but a modern, evolutionary dodo bird.
 
2021-07-22 7:45:02 AM  
Choke on this fark. Nothing remains the same. Call it evolution or whatever. Nothing remains the same
 
2021-07-22 7:45:35 AM  
Instead of a150 degree sauna, can we put him in a Brazen Bull instead?

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2021-07-22 7:45:51 AM  
Jesse Watters is spouting tired old tropes.
 
2021-07-22 7:46:30 AM  

Ishkur: You're right, except for one thing: The mass extinction events (of which there are any from 5-20 of them in Earth's history depending on how you want to count them) are BECAUSE of rapid climate change, not in spite of it. That is, the climate changed to quickly for species to adapt.


Yeah that's exactly what I said, perhaps not very well but definitely what I said. My point was that in the past even changes over thousands of years were too fast for many species. Thousands of years is still a very short time in the context of natural history. What we're doing in a few decades is insane, I think we both agree.
 
2021-07-22 7:47:36 AM  
Guess we're in for the ride.
 
2021-07-22 7:48:25 AM  

Chthonic Echoes: Conservatives aren't going to adapt to climate change.

Just look at all the "adaptation" they did in response to a lethal pandemic.


Look at how well they're adapting to being on the verge of being the largest minority in the USA.....
 
2021-07-22 7:58:38 AM  
That's quite an evolutionary thought process - he wasn't particularly intelligently designed.
 
2021-07-22 7:58:42 AM  
That's why I stick my big toe out the door before I go outside
 
2021-07-22 7:59:43 AM  
Yes, some humans will survive.
 
2021-07-22 7:59:43 AM  

IAmRight: It's weird how conservatives oppose change, yet rather than having any form of responsibility for the world's wealthiest people and corporations, they'd rather have to completely reconfigure every aspect of life.

Great, the liberal coasts sink. Where do you think all those people are going to go? What will you do with the bankrupt insurance industry? With all of those materials that went into building those cities gone and resources for making more dwindling, what's your plan for building new cities? Where will the farmland be if the areas that have the most nutrients in the soil are now too hot for growing crops? What if the areas that become the proper climate don't have the nutrients and can't produce as much food?

But no, let's act as though wearing a mask and not getting to buy a truck that gets 10 mpg is TRUE change that no one could possibly handle.


He doesn't understand adaptability.  Human's great evolutionary advantage is our intelligence BECAUSE it gives us the power to consciously euther  wlter our habits to suit the envoronment, or to alter the environmrnt.  We have accidently and negligently altered our global environment in ways that will render large parts of it unsuitable for human life, never mind civilization.  We now are attempting to reverse those changes.i just hope yhat Jack Kennedy was right when he spoke of issues and said that man has caused these problems and therefore man can fix them.  Alas too many of our leaders are more akin to Yeat's line "The best lack all conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity.
 
2021-07-22 8:00:29 AM  
How about we just drop him into the middle of the Tamarack fire?
 
2021-07-22 8:12:53 AM  
People do adapt.

For example if the climate in your region changes so agriculture is no longer viable you adapt by moving somewhere where food is available.

If the climate changes so adequate water is no longer available you adapt by moving to where it is. Quickly.

If the climate changes so the sea level causes the land where you live to become water you move.

If the climate changes changes so your region starts to experience "wet bulb" events you move.

I'm sure you're all seeing the pattern here.

The challenge is that many of the areas must acutely at risk of these are some of the heaviest populated parts of earth, and that many millions/billions of people moving at once is destabilizing enough when they're able to move within their country - arguably one of the precipitating factors behind several conflicts currently ongoing - but soon we're going to see very large groups needing to cross borders to seek refuge, and that's going to get very ugly very quickly in a very big manner.

Of course, this is just the short term issue that assumes we don't wipe out the oceans and their oxygen producing /carbon sequestering ability.
 
2021-07-22 8:15:28 AM  

Aussie_As: Ishkur: You're right, except for one thing: The mass extinction events (of which there are any from 5-20 of them in Earth's history depending on how you want to count them) are BECAUSE of rapid climate change, not in spite of it. That is, the climate changed to quickly for species to adapt.

Yeah that's exactly what I said, perhaps not very well but definitely what I said. My point was that in the past even changes over thousands of years were too fast for many species. Thousands of years is still a very short time in the context of natural history. What we're doing in a few decades is insane, I think we both agree.


We do! And don't take offense. I'm into my third bottle of wine and I'm amazed I can still type legibly.
 
2021-07-22 8:24:48 AM  

Target Builder: but soon we're going to see very large groups needing to cross borders to seek refuge, and that's going to get very ugly very quickly in a very big manner.


This. As recently as a the end of the 19th century, the world was largely divided into empires. Citizens of the British empire (well the white ones anyway, and some of the not-too-dark ones too) could travel easily over a fifth of the world's land mass. The Ottoman Empire was very large. The Austro-Hungarian Empire ditto. Travel was easy and large-scale migration was feasible. Now we've locked ourselves into over 200 different nations with borders which aren't easily crossed in most cases, especially by large groups.

It won't take much for famine to strike a bunch of countries which used to grow just enough food if the climate changes there. That will lead to wars. And before long either a nuclear-armed country or one of its close allies will be in a war which results in the unleashing of nukes.

That's my prediction for the demise of human civilisation, possibly the extinction of humans altogether. It won't be climate change per se, it will be fighting over the diminishing resources due to climate change.

Even if we survive a couple of degrees warming, that creates much more evaporation, it's within the realm of possibility we could spark an ice age due to warming if snow-falls reflect sunlight and a few mild summers mean lower than expected melting. Counter-intuitive, sure, but nobody knows how increased evaporation is going to play out. And that ends in famines, wars and nukes too to my thinking.

I'm going to be long dead but our grandkids are going to have interesting lives.
 
2021-07-22 8:25:14 AM  

fragMasterFlash: We are, thankfully, not yet at wet bulb conditions of high heat + high humidity such that even healthy humans cannot cool themselves down by sweating enough to stay alive. Are we getting closer? Considering 4x as many people died during recent heat waves as would during typical summer conditions it seems that mother nature is done giving our species a hall pass for its damage to earth's climate. Anyway, let's not be sad about that when we can celebrate billionaires launching themselves on joyrides to the edge of space.


In his defense, that's because the Texas current sales. Luckily, I've been told by the governor that it's fixed and that will never happen again.
 
2021-07-22 8:30:38 AM  
Ugh.

It's not US moron. It's the plants and the animals and the farking algae and everything else that means there CAN be an US.

Yes, some of us -those who can afford it- will be just fine for a while in a hotter/dryer/stormier planet.  OUR FOOD WILL NOT.
 
2021-07-22 8:34:44 AM  
Um, this isn't about your comfort level if it's 2º warmer in your house; it's about algae blooms and fishkills and massive floods and tripling the amount of CO2 within about five years because it's been liberated from the permafrost. It's about the sudden deaths of entire species, and changed migratory patterns, and predatory animals suddenly moving into different habitats. It's not about getting a ceiling fan installed; it's about dealing with hundreds of thousands of people suddenly displaced by famine and floods.

It's about food riots and water riots. So ultimately, it's about war. Historically, we "adapt" by making other people suffer and die.
 
2021-07-22 8:39:20 AM  
It's not the heat you farkwit, it's the third of Americans who will be under the tide line in the coming years.

Should they learn how to swim as part of "adapting?"
 
2021-07-22 8:48:01 AM  

NathanAllen: It's not the heat you farkwit, it's the third of Americans who will be under the tide line in the coming years.

Should they learn how to swim as part of "adapting?"


Nah, they should just sell their houses to Aquaman.

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2021-07-22 8:48:38 AM  
Jesse Watters isn't here to offer or endorse solutions, he just wants to show up to be on tee vee every day, get paid and go home to the girlfriend he met at Fox and cheated on his wife with. So just adapt baby!

Seriously though, shows like these are just roadblocks. They exist to distract people into arguing his dumb solution, thereby ensuring progress to fix the problem once again never materializes.
 
2021-07-22 8:49:46 AM  

Aussie_As: Target Builder: but soon we're going to see very large groups needing to cross borders to seek refuge, and that's going to get very ugly very quickly in a very big manner.

This. As recently as a the end of the 19th century, the world was largely divided into empires. Citizens of the British empire (well the white ones anyway, and some of the not-too-dark ones too) could travel easily over a fifth of the world's land mass. The Ottoman Empire was very large. The Austro-Hungarian Empire ditto. Travel was easy and large-scale migration was feasible. Now we've locked ourselves into over 200 different nations with borders which aren't easily crossed in most cases, especially by large groups.

It won't take much for famine to strike a bunch of countries which used to grow just enough food if the climate changes there. That will lead to wars. And before long either a nuclear-armed country or one of its close allies will be in a war which results in the unleashing of nukes.

That's my prediction for the demise of human civilisation, possibly the extinction of humans altogether. It won't be climate change per se, it will be fighting over the diminishing resources due to climate change.

Even if we survive a couple of degrees warming, that creates much more evaporation, it's within the realm of possibility we could spark an ice age due to warming if snow-falls reflect sunlight and a few mild summers mean lower than expected melting. Counter-intuitive, sure, but nobody knows how increased evaporation is going to play out. And that ends in famines, wars and nukes too to my thinking.

I'm going to be long dead but our grandkids are going to have interesting lives.


lol

If you think migration was "easy" 150 years ago just because "there were a bunch of empires" you're delusional. Empires do not like their protectorates getting ideas.
 
2021-07-22 8:53:35 AM  

JustSayYo: fragMasterFlash: We are, thankfully, not yet at wet bulb conditions of high heat + high humidity such that even healthy humans cannot cool themselves down by sweating enough to stay alive. Are we getting closer? Considering 4x as many people died during recent heat waves as would during typical summer conditions it seems that mother nature is done giving our species a hall pass for its damage to earth's climate. Anyway, let's not be sad about that when we can celebrate billionaires launching themselves on joyrides to the edge of space.

In his defense, that's because the Texas current sales

grid failed Luckily, I've been told by the governor that it's fixed and that will never happen again.

Ugh, FTFM
 
2021-07-22 8:57:07 AM  
With a combination of drastic and immediate reduction in emissions, a major effort toward sequestration, and global climate mitigation efforts, we MIGHT just live through this.

That PLANET will be fine.  WE will not.
 
2021-07-22 9:09:05 AM  
Our "Climate Czar" could show a good example and use Zoom meetings instead of taking private jets to go pick up environmental prizes.

Ed Begley Jr should have been named Climate Czar.  At least he walks the walk.
 
2021-07-22 9:11:29 AM  
"The Netherlands - 25% below sea level - they're like a powerhouse in Europe."

Oh, you mean the socialist country that Fox News doesn't like to mention?
 
2021-07-22 9:14:58 AM  

A Cave Geek: With a combination of drastic and immediate reduction in emissions, a major effort toward sequestration, and global climate mitigation efforts, we MIGHT just live through this.

That PLANET will be fine.  WE will not.


Humans will be fine. No other terrestrial species has the technical capability to consciously eschew dependence on its natural environment by creating artificial ones.

Note: this doesn't mean that every individual human will enjoy it
 
2021-07-22 9:15:42 AM  

DarnoKonrad: I don't know who this is or why anyone should care what he thinks.


he's a popular talking-head on foxnews.
he is an influencer and his messages gets bull-horned by millions of fellow, ignorant citizens.
this just stalls progress.
one day, his grandchildren will staple him to a south facing, black roof.
 
2021-07-22 9:26:58 AM  
Oh, he wants us to be like the Netherlands? Then he endorses spending 20% of our GDP on combating the effects of climate change, because that's how much the Netherlands spend on the Delta Works!
 
2021-07-22 9:29:37 AM  
It's become obvious that the rich see Climate Change as a problem for poor people but not them. If you've got the money to quickly move from gated community to gated community then it's not so big a deal. See the massive foreign investment in Canadian real estate. If you'd be financially devastated by having your home flood or needing to leave because your area becomes unlivable that's your fault for not being rich enough.
 
2021-07-22 9:35:45 AM  
Just drop him in Houston in the middle of August.
Outdoors, preferably in the 5th Ward.
See how long he lasts.
 
2021-07-22 9:36:43 AM  

qorkfiend: A Cave Geek: With a combination of drastic and immediate reduction in emissions, a major effort toward sequestration, and global climate mitigation efforts, we MIGHT just live through this.

That PLANET will be fine.  WE will not.

Humans will be fine. No other terrestrial species has the technical capability to consciously eschew dependence on its natural environment by creating artificial ones.

Note: this doesn't mean that every individual human will enjoy it


We are FAR more dependent on the environment than most people think.  It's not just the temperature outside.  Take two breaths.  One of those you owe to the organisms of the ocean, which will die off as climate change raises ocean acidity and temperatures.  We will lose the ability to breathe.  Not to mention food.  Not to mention water.

The sheer magnitude of our dependence on the environment in which we live cannot be overstated.  We can't just hide out in an arcology and pretend we're fine.
 
2021-07-22 9:46:00 AM  

A Cave Geek: qorkfiend: A Cave Geek: With a combination of drastic and immediate reduction in emissions, a major effort toward sequestration, and global climate mitigation efforts, we MIGHT just live through this.

That PLANET will be fine.  WE will not.

Humans will be fine. No other terrestrial species has the technical capability to consciously eschew dependence on its natural environment by creating artificial ones.

Note: this doesn't mean that every individual human will enjoy it

We are FAR more dependent on the environment than most people think.  It's not just the temperature outside.  Take two breaths.  One of those you owe to the organisms of the ocean, which will die off as climate change raises ocean acidity and temperatures.  We will lose the ability to breathe.  Not to mention food.  Not to mention water.

The sheer magnitude of our dependence on the environment in which we live cannot be overstated.  We can't just hide out in an arcology and pretend we're fine.


No "organisms in the ocean" up in space, friend, yet the astronauts up there can breathe just fine.

Which in turn illustrates exactly my point: we are a technical species and not dependent on nature to extract oxygen or purify water for us.
 
2021-07-22 9:46:59 AM  

Aussie_As: Over the course of the Earth's natural history nature has evolved to deal with changing climate many, many times. It's done this but not without large-scale extinctions and population crashes. And that's when the climate has changed over the course of millenia (which, in a natural history scale, is very quickly). We're changing it measurably in a decade-on-decade sense right now, which would only previously have been seen due to massive events like meteors creating dust clouds and dropping temperatures.

Dinosaur farts created a greenhouse effect long before we ever came along. But that would have been over hundreds of thousands of years. Forests would have moved and landscapes would have changed, but in a way that plants and animals could adapt to either by slowly moving habitat (plants don't move but their offspring grow in different places) over generations. When they couldn't they crashed or disappeared entirely.

Jesse Waters doesn't have a farking clue is what I'm getting at here.


Yeah but you said fart so he was amused.
 
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