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(Kupo Kupo)   Final Fantasy XI: Remembering 20 years of Vana'diel   (we-are-vanadiel.finalfantasyxi.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
Is that the one where they took the game online? I think that's when I quit Final Fantasy despite being a huge fan since the NES days. Too many jerks in MMORPGs. Also, I got a job.
 
4 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: Is that the one where they took the game online? I think that's when I quit Final Fantasy despite being a huge fan since the NES days. Too many jerks in MMORPGs. Also, I got a job.


Yup it is the one that went online.  I played 12 and honestly couldn't remember anything about it.  That was the last Final Fantasy game I played...

/until 15. It was good for the first 3/4s of the game but the end is on rails.
//Also one of those games where the villain has a point based on the DLC
///Still waiting for Final Fantasy VII Remake on the Xbox.
 
4 days ago  
Square Enix games are a thin shadow of what the two companies put out separately.
 
4 days ago  

Marcos P: Square Enix games are a thin shadow of what the two companies put out separately.


I will never forgive squenix for killing the Valkerie Profile series when there was still a third Valkerie and a brand new ps3 to make it even more awesome.
 
4 days ago  

McGrits: Marcos P: Square Enix games are a thin shadow of what the two companies put out separately.

I will never forgive squenix for killing the Valkerie Profile series when there was still a third Valkerie and a brand new ps3 to make it even more awesome.


Valkyrie Profile had an amazing soundtrack and I'm pretty sure decent copies are worth a pretty penny.
 
4 days ago  
Ah. The increasingly inaccurately named Final Fantasy series.

The last one I played was IX.

The last one I enjoyed was VIII.

I never did get the hype about VII that everyone loved.

VI is still my favorite.
 
4 days ago  
I've been playing the FF XIV MMO for a while now.  It's honestly one of the best Final Fantasy stories I've enjoyed in a long, long while.  I'm also looking forward to XVI, since the studio producing it is under the same developers and leadership as XIV.

Also, totally agree with PirateKing.  FF-VI is a masterpiece.
 
4 days ago  
Really hoping they update the game for the 20th. Being so old, it has problems running on modern hardware and requires third-party wrappers to convert the old DX8 to DX11/12. Plus the fact that the games communication hasn't been optimized for anything faster than 56k(no, really), is really holding it back. Damn PS2 limitations!

With that being said, this game has come a long way in the last 20 years. Gone are the days of waiting 30 minutes for an airship, or yelling for a teleport. Movement speed overall has increased and travel to different areas now only require running up to a home point.
 
4 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: Is that the one where they took the game online? I think that's when I quit Final Fantasy despite being a huge fan since the NES days. Too many jerks in MMORPGs. Also, I got a job.


In the old days the community was probably one of the nicest, most helpful gaming communities out there. There were quite a few instances of people being driven from servers for griefing or stealing loot. 

Now it's like a farking Trump rally filled with people suffering from Tourette's.
 
4 days ago  

SolderGlob: Really hoping they update the game for the 20th.


lol no. There's no money in anything more than just keeping the servers up.

SolderGlob: Gone are the days of waiting 30 minutes for an airship, or yelling for a teleport. Movement speed overall has increased and travel to different areas now only require running up to a home point.


These are all things that contributed to killing the feel of the game being a real world. Now, you never have to interact with anyone outside your small linkshell, or anyone at all really, so much of the game is completely soloable. FFXI is a shadow of what it once was.
 
4 days ago  

SMB2811: SolderGlob: Really hoping they update the game for the 20th.

lol no. There's no money in anything more than just keeping the servers up.


Maybe. But it's a numbered title and 20 years on it's still going strong. XIV proved that MMOs can go through a rebirth, especially SE MMOs. 

SolderGlob: Gone are the days of waiting 30 minutes for an airship, or yelling for a teleport. Movement speed overall has increased and travel to different areas now only require running up to a home point.

These are all things that contributed to killing the feel of the game being a real world. Now, you never have to interact with anyone outside your small linkshell, or anyone at all really, so much of the game is completely soloable. FFXI is a shadow of what it once was.


I doubt you're going to clear Wave 3 Bastok with trusts, nor the new Odyssey content. Leveling and getting up to current end-game can be done solo, but that's precisely what most modern MMOs are like. XIV, for example pretty much hands you levels so you get to end-game faster. You'll still need a group of people if you want to get higher-end gear from Escha, Dyna-D, or Odyssey. And that's really not hard to do.

There are still private servers out there that lock you into the tediousness that was the 75 era if that's what you're into. But for me, being that I'm much older now than when I first ventured out of San d'Oria all those years ago, being able to get a high-end piece of gear without having to sacrafice months of time makes the game much more accessible  when you have adult responsibilities. 

It's still fun.
 
4 days ago  
The last one I really enjoyed was X.  Skipped XI, and I found XII to be exhausting and uninteresting.  XII was the last one I played.
 
4 days ago  
They're remaking 1-6 again
 
4 days ago  
Played 4-15, beat 7-10, 13, and Lightning Returns only (14 as much as you could "beat" 14 about midway through shadowbringers).  Tactics is my favorite, of the numbers probably IV, VII and X-2, in that order.
 
4 days ago  
Good lord, 20?? At first I thought that couldn't be right, but holy shiat it is.

I remember when this came out, I played it for awhile and enjoyed it. I especially liked the server-wide events, like these giant trees that you had to attack as a server, it took weeks to kill these things.
 
4 days ago  
I remember. It was shiat. It also made you buy a $300 PS2, $200 HDD, and have a steady broadband connection... in 2001.

Unless you lived in a metropolitan area, the game was a crash, buggy, laggy mess they didn't fix until 2005... by which point the game had dwindled to less than 200,000 players from 4m at peak.

I did, however, own a PS2 and HDD in 2005... but it wasn't for Fatal Framerate XI... it was for Armored Core: Nexus.

/Still the best multi-player game of that gen next to Halo 2.
 
4 days ago  
I've always wanted to play Vagrant Story. It looked pretty cool when first released, but my time was occupied otherwise and I can't seem to find it now.
 
4 days ago  

Jedekai: I remember. It was shiat. It also made you buy a $300 PS2, $200 HDD, and have a steady broadband connection... in 2001.

Unless you lived in a metropolitan area, the game was a crash, buggy, laggy mess they didn't fix until 2005... by which point the game had dwindled to less than 200,000 players from 4m at peak.

I did, however, own a PS2 and HDD in 2005... but it wasn't for Fatal Framerate XI... it was for Armored Core: Nexus.

/Still the best multi-player game of that gen next to Halo 2.


Your memory is no where near as good as you think it is.

FFXI worked just fine on a 56k modem, there would have been basically no one playing if it couldn't and even if you have a broadband connection its bandwidth is capped to a 56k line. FFXI never had 4 million players. SE announced they had 200k active accounts in 2002, and then 500k in 2006.

I don't think any MMO had active players in the millions until WoW.
 
4 days ago  

Jedekai: and have a steady broadband connection... in 2001.


No, it didn't. The game was built for and optimized for the PS2 which only had a 56k modem. It's also one of the major issues in the game now and why it needs to be remade if they want it to last another 20 years.
 
4 days ago  

TheJadedJester: Ragin' Asian: Is that the one where they took the game online? I think that's when I quit Final Fantasy despite being a huge fan since the NES days. Too many jerks in MMORPGs. Also, I got a job.

Yup it is the one that went online.  I played 12 and honestly couldn't remember anything about it.  That was the last Final Fantasy game I played...


I revisited 12 about a year or so ago and found it completely nonsensical. You start off as some kid who decides to steal some stuff, runs into a sky pirate and bunny babe who are looking for the thing you just stole, but they never try to get it from you and then leave without it.

Then you run into them again, and get swept up with token princess type running away from things to deal with her responsibilities in a way uniquely related to the theme of the gay, get arrested, break out, go find the mcguffin which is needed to save the day, but then smash the mcguffin because token princess type isn't about that patriarchal manipulation business.

But then you save the day because the bad guy activates his flying doom fortress and invading it is super easy and barely an inconvenience. 

Which ultimately means that the entire game to that point was entirely pointless and could have been skipped if you just went and killed the bad guy you knew was a bad guy and where he was at pretty much all times because he was the leader and there was practically nothing stopping you from assassinating him. 

Also, it mimics star wars a lot.
 
4 days ago  

hammer85: Played 4-15, beat 7-10, 13, and Lightning Returns only (14 as much as you could "beat" 14 about midway through shadowbringers).  Tactics is my favorite, of the numbers probably IV, VII and X-2, in that order.


How fascinating... X-2 is in your top 3 from the main series? Most people seem shiat all over X-2 and swear it's the worst thing to ever grace a console since Dirge of Cerberus...
 
4 days ago  

Cthulhu Theory: hammer85: Played 4-15, beat 7-10, 13, and Lightning Returns only (14 as much as you could "beat" 14 about midway through shadowbringers).  Tactics is my favorite, of the numbers probably IV, VII and X-2, in that order.

How fascinating... X-2 is in your top 3 from the main series? Most people seem shiat all over X-2 and swear it's the worst thing to ever grace a console since Dirge of Cerberus...


I absolutely love job/dress systems.  It's why I would put Lightning Returns and 13/13-2 above 8-10 as well, even though they were completely on rails and a disaster of a plot.

X-2 was goofy as shiat, but the dress system made combat so much fun.
 
3 days ago  

SolderGlob: Jedekai: and have a steady broadband connection... in 2001.

No, it didn't. The game was built for and optimized for the PS2 which only had a 56k modem. It's also one of the major issues in the game now and why it needs to be remade if they want it to last another 20 years.


I was pretty sure it was FFXI...

Nope.

EverQuest Online Adventures. And, yeah, it says "Dial-Up" on the box - no, it doesn't. Watched my friend silently scream for an hour, until we took it to my house and hooked it to the cable modem. The game was just as farkin' slow.

/2003. Don't know why I thought 2001... but, yeah, saw both games on Wiki, got them switched.
//Have played no FF game since X-2, save XIII: Lightning Returns, because Lightning is Best Girl... dear JEEZUS... I just typed that unironically.
///Tifa's pushy, Aeris is a wuss and Terra and Rosa are whiny.
 
3 days ago  

TheJadedJester: /until 15. It was good for the first 3/4s of the game but the end is on rails.


Literally. The final chapters mostly take place on a train.
 
3 days ago  

Jedekai: I remember. It was shiat. It also made you buy a $300 PS2, $200 HDD, and have a steady broadband connection... in 2001.


Well, it was also a PC game, and I was playing it on broadband as well.
 
3 days ago  

PirateKing: Ah. The increasingly inaccurately named Final Fantasy series.

The last one I played was IX.

The last one I enjoyed was VIII.

I never did get the hype about VII that everyone loved.

VI is still my favorite.


VI and X are the best. VII is a close second. The rest are barely worth mentioning.
 
3 days ago  

hammer85: Cthulhu Theory: hammer85: Played 4-15, beat 7-10, 13, and Lightning Returns only (14 as much as you could "beat" 14 about midway through shadowbringers).  Tactics is my favorite, of the numbers probably IV, VII and X-2, in that order.

How fascinating... X-2 is in your top 3 from the main series? Most people seem shiat all over X-2 and swear it's the worst thing to ever grace a console since Dirge of Cerberus...

I absolutely love job/dress systems.  It's why I would put Lightning Returns and 13/13-2 above 8-10 as well, even though they were completely on rails and a disaster of a plot.

X-2 was goofy as shiat, but the dress system made combat so much fun.


I might have enjoyed Lightning Returns more if Lightning herself wasn't so completely distractingly and unhealthily thin, but honestly I feel like the battle systems of each of the 13 series games was trash. The plot always involved around doing exactly what the bad guy wanted you to do, and seemed incredibly lazy: 

13- Hey the bad guy wants us to kill him so he can drop cocoon, let's go kill him and drop cocoon! Good thing we have deus ex machina on our side to create a giant crystal pillar that looks so distractingly pretty that people won't ask questions. 

13-2 - Hey, this bad guy is tired of watching his under-age girlfriend (who is pivotal to this whole world and was never really mentioned before) die, and so he wants to take it out by unleashing Chaos to end the existence by dying, let's go kill him! Good thing there's another game coming that will take place to fix that!

13:LR - Hey, Squenix Brand Kristen Stewart is back as Dress Up Cloud and has been tasked with becoming a Goddess of Death so the bad guy can create a new existence for all these people stuck in purgatory thanks to 13-2, let's become the Goddess of Death so the bad guy can create a new existence for all these people stuck in purgatory thanks to 13-2! Good thing we call this guy a bad guy so we can justify his death right after saying you're not gonna do what you've been doing and are about to do in the last portion of the game and then become exactly what he wants you to be anyway!!!!!!

I'm gonna take a guess here and suggest it's not the stories you actually enjoy in FF games, but rather the battle systems and high quality (at least for their time) graphics.
 
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