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(AP News)   "We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities"   (apnews.com) divider line
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2021-07-21 4:11:36 PM  
Let's just get this out of the way. . .

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/you know who
 
2021-07-21 4:18:12 PM  
I was watching some documentary about the 60's the other day, and there was a section of it where some old southern guy was talking about "hippies, in their hippie uniforms"

/The stupid was strong in that one
 
2021-07-21 4:32:59 PM  
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2021-07-21 4:47:51 PM  
Calling cannabis "marijuana" also solidified identifying it with those filthy Mexicans, subby.
 
2021-07-21 4:56:43 PM  
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2021-07-21 5:01:42 PM  
Nixon where the buffalo roam
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2021-07-21 5:25:23 PM  
That's Nixon & Co.

I don't even have to check the article.
 
2021-07-21 5:26:45 PM  

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2021-07-21 5:27:01 PM  
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2021-07-21 5:27:15 PM  
CRT strikes again!
 
2021-07-21 5:27:35 PM  
Yes, we know this. So what do we do?
 
2021-07-21 5:27:52 PM  

RasIanI: That's Nixon & Co.

I don't even have to check the article.


Article is still good.

Tells the story of a man who got mixed up with crack in his youth, recovered because he was shown mercy and runs his own landscaping business now.
 
2021-07-21 5:27:57 PM  
Not for a lack of trying, asshole.
 
2021-07-21 5:28:18 PM  
And here we are, 50 years later having spent uncountable lives and more than $1 trillion to imprison our own people and destabilize our own hemisphere, because "drugs are bad" and "COMMUNISM!"

End the farkin thing already.
 
2021-07-21 5:30:11 PM  
It's illegal to read that quote to students in 21 states.
 
2021-07-21 5:30:39 PM  
Sure am glad the Biden administration refuses to take cannabis off schedule 1.

After all, we need to keep the prisons full so we can keep exploiting the slave labor of prisoners.
 
2021-07-21 5:30:47 PM  
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2021-07-21 5:33:34 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Sure am glad the Biden administration refuses to take cannabis off schedule 1.

After all, we need to keep the prisons full so we can keep exploiting the slave labor of prisoners.


Legitimate question: what does it take to re-schedule a drug? I have no idea. Is it just an EO or something internal? I'm assuming Congress doesn't get involved but I have no idea.
 
2021-07-21 5:34:03 PM  
Yeah, but all of the people in jail for weed possession are free now so racism is over. Stop bringing it up!
 
2021-07-21 5:34:33 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Sure am glad the Biden administration refuses to take cannabis off schedule 1.

After all, we need to keep the prisons full so we can keep exploiting the slave labor of prisoners.


He has the same beliefs now as he did when he co-wrote the 94 Crime Bill that sent a generation to prison for major drug offenses.

The only drug addict he ever had sympathy for was, coincidentally, his own son.
 
2021-07-21 5:35:06 PM  
Minor drug offenses, rather
 
2021-07-21 5:36:21 PM  
The first state laws making marijuana illegal were Jim Crow laws in the deep South around the turn of the 20th century when it was almost exclusively a black thing. The federal legislation followed.
Nixon just weaponized it by making pot and smack the same thing, legally.
 
2021-07-21 5:39:02 PM  
You know those calls for reparations?

Include this shiat on the list.
 
2021-07-21 5:39:12 PM  

Purple_Urkle: RasIanI: That's Nixon & Co.

I don't even have to check the article.

Article is still good.

Tells the story of a man who got mixed up with crack in his youth, recovered because he was shown mercy and runs his own landscaping business now.



There's a similar story about a guy who recovered and made a fortune selling crappy pillows. Doesn't look like a happy ending for that dude though.

On the plus side I had 2 beers with my pizza at lunch today and I'm recovering just fine!


/don't ever get the "giant" slice
//dear god, what have I done?
///I feel like I just ate a large Dominos and the delivery guy
 
2021-07-21 5:41:13 PM  
Marijuana is not "like alcohol but worse" it is far more benign.

If someone, perhaps a certain ice cream eating alcohol shunning man, would like to discourage future alcohol use, he would be very very wise to push to legalize marijuana on a federal level.

It shouldn't be more illegal than chili peppers.
 
2021-07-21 5:42:22 PM  

Gin Buddy: Purple_Urkle: RasIanI: That's Nixon & Co.

I don't even have to check the article.

Article is still good.

Tells the story of a man who got mixed up with crack in his youth, recovered because he was shown mercy and runs his own landscaping business now.


There's a similar story about a guy who recovered and made a fortune selling crappy pillows. Doesn't look like a happy ending for that dude though.

On the plus side I had 2 beers with my pizza at lunch today and I'm recovering just fine!


/don't ever get the "giant" slice
//dear god, what have I done?
///I feel like I just ate a large Dominos and the delivery guy


Lindell isn't Black and he exploits Christianity.
 
2021-07-21 5:43:35 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Gin Buddy: Purple_Urkle: RasIanI: That's Nixon & Co.

I don't even have to check the article.

Article is still good.

Tells the story of a man who got mixed up with crack in his youth, recovered because he was shown mercy and runs his own landscaping business now.


There's a similar story about a guy who recovered and made a fortune selling crappy pillows. Doesn't look like a happy ending for that dude though.

On the plus side I had 2 beers with my pizza at lunch today and I'm recovering just fine!


/don't ever get the "giant" slice
//dear god, what have I done?
///I feel like I just ate a large Dominos and the delivery guy

Lindell isn't Black and he exploits Christianity.



I said "similar". Dude thinks he's a Christian and from what I've seen he acts like one.
 
2021-07-21 5:44:07 PM  
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This asshole started the bull shiat war on marijuana and while this nonsense continued to be used in the 60s and 70s, this is the nonsensical argument also used today by Fark Cannabaveats, most notably the Alex Jones/Kayleigh McEnany/Melissa Carone of Pot Propaganda who will appear at some point to spread his misinformation and propaganda as he does on every marijuana forum
 
2021-07-21 5:45:08 PM  
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2021-07-21 5:53:01 PM  
Cannabis has killed me 7 times.
 
2021-07-21 5:54:39 PM  

austerity101: Yes, we know this. So what do we do?


Dig up Nixon and kick his corpse?
 
2021-07-21 5:56:50 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Marijuana is not "like alcohol but worse" it is far more benign.

If someone, perhaps a certain ice cream eating alcohol shunning man, would like to discourage future alcohol use, he would be very very wise to push to legalize marijuana on a federal level.

It shouldn't be more illegal than chili peppers.



Cannabis doesn't wreck the liver and cause violence alcohol, and has so many legitimate medical uses, it still boggles my mind we haven't gotten past the propaganda and legalized nationwide. I would be fine if it were just legal as medicine, which it actually is for me.
 
2021-07-21 5:57:54 PM  
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/I mean, really, really farking old news
 
2021-07-21 5:59:31 PM  
Except that's not how it worked subby.

Pot has been in its current state since 1937, at least at the federal level. No hippies then.

Heroin since 1924.

And while there were indeed black people around then, the persdon quoted in TFA definitely wasn't. In other words, both of these drugs were already illegal when the stupid war on drugs started, that did nothing new.
 
2021-07-21 6:05:15 PM  
This isn't the only country that believes all these stupid lies about the cannabis plant.

AUSTRALIAN DRUG TRAFFICKER Schapelle Corby, her face veiled against a horde of press photographers, was hustled out of prison today to start the next chapter of her troubled life after more than nine years behind bars in Bali.
 
2021-07-21 6:07:34 PM  

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/I mean, really, really farking old news


I don't suppose you realize, that it is still federally illegal.
 
2021-07-21 6:10:19 PM  

Lambskincoat: Geotpf: [external-preview.redd.it image 300x407]

/I mean, really, really farking old news

I don't suppose you realize, that it is still federally illegal.


I meant the quote in the headline, which is 50 years old or so.

And, well, the Senate and the filibuster are things, so don't expect much change.
 
2021-07-21 6:11:19 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Marijuana is not "like alcohol but worse" it is far more benign.

If someone, perhaps a certain ice cream eating alcohol shunning man, would like to discourage future alcohol use, he would be very very wise to push to legalize marijuana on a federal level.

It shouldn't be more illegal than chili peppers.


Some of those high end peppers need to get people on a list tho, whew man dangerous stuff
 
2021-07-21 6:32:21 PM  

Destructor: Cannabis has killed me 7 times.


UPDATE: 8 times.
 
2021-07-21 6:34:37 PM  
 
2021-07-21 6:50:37 PM  
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2021-07-21 6:52:45 PM  

Marcos P: Purple_Urkle: Marijuana is not "like alcohol but worse" it is far more benign.

If someone, perhaps a certain ice cream eating alcohol shunning man, would like to discourage future alcohol use, he would be very very wise to push to legalize marijuana on a federal level.

It shouldn't be more illegal than chili peppers.

Some of those high end peppers need to get people on a list tho, whew man dangerous stuff


Peppers can have the oil extracted and easily be made into a chemical weapon.

But peppers are legal so if you want to mash em up and make a squirrel mace that doubles as a seasoning go for it.

But if you've been tortured by your berserk mom for decades and need ptsd relief, well fark you buy a gun this is America. Don't you dare have quality of life, stay angry and hurting, have a short fuse and take it out on whatever crosses your path, because being in so much pain that you can't think straight is legally preferred by the federal government.
 
2021-07-21 6:53:28 PM  

skyotter: It's illegal to read that quote to students in 21 states.


I'd personally like to source the quote a little better. I don't disbelieve it, but it's probably the most pat quote I've ever heard in my life. It is literally everything I want to hear from a member of the Nixon administration, and anything that attractive feels a lot like bait.

The quote was, apparently, offered up as part of an interview Dan Baum made in 1994 for a 1996 book called "Smoke and Mirrors: The War on Drugs and the Politics of Failure." Not including the quote in the book seems a bit like burying the lede, which is kind of suspicious. But it may have been redundant in the context of the content he did include. I haven't read the book. The quote was first made public in 2016 in a Harper's article called "Legalize It All."

We've got two questions here: does the quote exist, and is the substance of it true?

As to the first question, I have high confidence that it does. It's been sufficiently reported in enough media outlets with commitments to verification to indicate that Baum can back up his assertion. Shy of actually listening to Baum's interview tapes, that's about as good as I'm going to be able to get. It's notable that the existence of the quote has only been disputed by his family, with the usual "Daddy wasn't a racist!" cladding. Most of the criticism of the quote lays in its substance. And, of course, Erlichman himself has been in no position to verify the quote, since he died in 1999.

The substance of the quote is a bit different, since Erlichman was the disgruntled employee of a failed former President and wound up doing time for him. The quote itself is hearsay - that is, Erlichman himself didn't offer any evidence to back up the quote's substance. This led Vox writer German Lopez to indicate that it was Erlichman, not Baum, who should be questioned. Does the War on Drugs exist specifically to suppress minorities and progressive organizations? The answer is, by any examination, a hale and hearty yes.

I think Lopez misses the point a bit in his Vox article; he himself offers evidence that it does, while trying to frame the quote in the wider context of the Nixon administration's abuses of power to claim that it doesn't. The point, however, should be the impact, not the intent. Nixon kicked off the War on Drugs with a 1971 speech focused on public health, according to Lopez. It wouldn't have been the first time or the last that a politician papered over racist motives with good intentions.

But now we're talking about intent, and short of a seance, we're not going to hear the word from the source. The impact is all we can focus on; the disproportionate retribution of millions of people of color under the surveillance of the criminal justice system, the antediluvian immigration policies, the millions to be made on the backs of the incarcerated that perpetuate the cycle of recidivism...Nixon was a committed racist, and the War on Drugs has been a devastating injustice perpetuated against people of color.

So I'm mostly confident that the quote exists, and, if it does, I'm entirely confident of its substance. That is, I believe both Baum and Erlichman are telling the truth.

But that's just my opinion.
 
2021-07-21 6:53:58 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Marcos P: Purple_Urkle: Marijuana is not "like alcohol but worse" it is far more benign.

If someone, perhaps a certain ice cream eating alcohol shunning man, would like to discourage future alcohol use, he would be very very wise to push to legalize marijuana on a federal level.

It shouldn't be more illegal than chili peppers.

Some of those high end peppers need to get people on a list tho, whew man dangerous stuff

Peppers can have the oil extracted and easily be made into a chemical weapon.

But peppers are legal so if you want to mash em up and make a squirrel mace that doubles as a seasoning go for it.

But if you've been tortured by your berserk mom for decades and need ptsd relief, well fark you buy a gun this is America. Don't you dare have quality of life, stay angry and hurting, have a short fuse and take it out on whatever crosses your path, because being in so much pain that you can't think straight is legally preferred by the federal government.


It's a food product, essentially.
 
2021-07-21 7:04:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I was watching some documentary about the 60's the other day, and there was a section of it where some old southern guy was talking about "hippies, in their hippie uniforms"

/The stupid was strong in that one


CSB: I've literally been in the Deep South at a rural gas station and had someone eyeing me up, walk over and tell me I don't look like I'm from these parts. I asked if it was how I dressed. Nope. My face. That's how bad it is in some parts of the country. If you don't look like Mom and Dad are blood related and you've got more teeth than meth sores they know you're not one of them.
 
2021-07-21 7:05:04 PM  

SpectroBoy: Let's just get this out of the way. . .

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/you know who


Joe Biden?
 
2021-07-21 7:06:31 PM  

austerity101: PlaidJaguar: Sure am glad the Biden administration refuses to take cannabis off schedule 1.

After all, we need to keep the prisons full so we can keep exploiting the slave labor of prisoners.

Legitimate question: what does it take to re-schedule a drug? I have no idea. Is it just an EO or something internal? I'm assuming Congress doesn't get involved but I have no idea.


DEA can do it unilaterally.
 
2021-07-21 7:07:52 PM  
The actor who played Mary in Reefer Madness said years later in an interview that the movie was propaganda garbage but she needed the work.
 
2021-07-21 7:15:15 PM  
 An assertion of fact from a convicted perjurer?  Why of course that's believable.

PlaidJaguar: Sure am glad the Biden administration refuses to take cannabis off schedule 1.

After all, we need to keep the prisons full so we can keep exploiting the slave labor of prisoners.


Not this sh*t again.

Tell us how many people are in prison in the US after being convicted of weed crimes *alone,* please.  And please spare me the stock "one is too many" response.

Purple_Urkle: Marijuana is not "like alcohol but worse" it is far more benign.


According to whom?
 
2021-07-21 7:20:07 PM  
 
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