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2021-07-21 12:27:44 PM  
Is that the latest alien race Voyager has to contend with?
 
2021-07-21 1:52:25 PM  
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TURN OFF THE BLACKLIGHT! TURN OFF THE BLACKLIGHT!
 
2021-07-21 1:52:28 PM  
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2021-07-21 1:57:18 PM  

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TURN OFF THE BLACKLIGHT! TURN OFF THE BLACKLIGHT!


I'm not sure this is the best time for pole dancing.
 
2021-07-21 2:00:38 PM  
Bet it's going to happen a lot sooner than a millennium due to CC.
 
2021-07-21 2:04:03 PM  
Am I the only one who is a tiny bit surprised the CCP helped them?
 
2021-07-21 2:04:33 PM  
Once in a millennium every few months event.

Sure bud.
 
2021-07-21 2:05:21 PM  
Somewhere, a Chinese Michael Bay protégé is furiously writing set piece notes.
 
2021-07-21 2:07:23 PM  
1000 year rain/flood events sure seem to be happening with regularity these days.
 
2021-07-21 2:07:43 PM  
Subby, you're such a worrywart. It's only the second once in a millennium massive flooding event occurring in urban areas completely unprepared for it within the past week. These things happen.
 
2021-07-21 2:08:57 PM  
The Washington Metro system at passes underneath the Potomac river to connect DC with Arlington, Virginia.  I've often wondered how safe that was.  Granted, the subway tunnel was bored well underneath the riverbed, but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.
 
2021-07-21 2:10:39 PM  

huntercr: Am I the only one who is a tiny bit surprised the CCP helped them?


It's not remotely surprising if you understand their relationship with their primary ethnic group in a massively public event.

China might be more complex than you imagine.
 
2021-07-21 2:14:07 PM  
Technically still a Subway...

//maybe it's a switch-hitter?
 
2021-07-21 2:15:12 PM  
There are other photos showing individuals who drown in the subway cars.  Given all the consequences of the rain event (3 burst dams, massive flooding of the street and subway) this is likely to result in a lot more casualties.
 
2021-07-21 2:16:51 PM  

Mouser: The Washington Metro system at passes underneath the Potomac river to connect DC with Arlington, Virginia.  I've often wondered how safe that was.  Granted, the subway tunnel was bored well underneath the riverbed, but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.


Um, many subway systems around the world go underwater in part.
 
2021-07-21 2:16:57 PM  

hissatsu: Subby, you're such a worrywart. It's only the second once in a millennium massive flooding event occurring in urban areas completely unprepared for it within the past week. These things happen.


Yeah, and the next one will be three times in a millennium.

We didn't say which millennium, though.
 
2021-07-21 2:18:44 PM  
Between this and an aluminum forge exploding, Zhengzhou has become a disaster movie set.
 
2021-07-21 2:19:30 PM  

Geotpf: Mouser: The Washington Metro system at passes underneath the Potomac river to connect DC with Arlington, Virginia.  I've often wondered how safe that was.  Granted, the subway tunnel was bored well underneath the riverbed, but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.

Um, many subway systems around the world go underwater in part.


I'd be far more concerned about Chicago which is a city built on a swamp and which has to pass under multiple aging ship canals and iterations of the Chicago river.

Or BART which is not a tunnel under the bay, but a tunnel built on top of the bay.
 
2021-07-21 2:20:26 PM  
First fake tuna, now this? For shame, Subway. For shame.
 
2021-07-21 2:20:36 PM  

Mouser: but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.


It would probably look like this subway station in lower Manhattan after Sandy.

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Or this tunnel,

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2021-07-21 2:20:46 PM  
Aluminum Forge Exploding is the name of my light metal rock band.
 
2021-07-21 2:21:41 PM  

Trik: Bet it's going to happen a lot sooner than a millennium due to CC.


As long as no one hits reply all, we will be safe.
 
2021-07-21 2:22:16 PM  

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TURN OFF THE BLACKLIGHT! TURN OFF THE BLACKLIGHT!

I'm not sure this is the best time for pole dancing.


any time is the best time for pole dancing, if you're brave enough.
 
2021-07-21 2:22:48 PM  

Porous Horace: Aluminum Forge Exploding is the name of my light metal rock band.


[cary_grant_get_out.gif]
 
2021-07-21 2:23:11 PM  
A 34-year-old man, surnamed He, recounted rushing to Shakoulu station, where his wife was trapped on line 5. His wife told him the air was running out and she could not wait long.
"I was crying all along on the one-hour walk to her rescue," He told Southern Weekly. He found there were not enough rescuers to get everyone out and he joined in, carrying a man on his back, but the man later died.


Awful.
 
2021-07-21 2:24:44 PM  
In b4 "But the planet itself will actually be okay".
 
2021-07-21 2:26:19 PM  

Mouser: The Washington Metro system at passes underneath the Potomac river to connect DC with Arlington, Virginia.  I've often wondered how safe that was.  Granted, the subway tunnel was bored well underneath the riverbed, but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.


Imagine the Chunnel...23 miles, 75 feet below the ocean floor.
 
2021-07-21 2:28:08 PM  
I didn't realize 1975 was a millenia ago.  It was before my time, but not that long before my time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_​B​anqiao_Dam_failure
 
2021-07-21 2:30:34 PM  

dkulprit: I didn't realize 1975 was a millenia ago.  It was before my time, but not that long before my time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_B​anqiao_Dam_failure


China's history only exists when they wish it to.
 
2021-07-21 2:33:52 PM  

Daedalus27: There are other photos showing individuals who drown in the subway cars.  Given all the consequences of the rain event (3 burst dams, massive flooding of the street and subway) this is likely to result in a lot more casualties.


I watched a Youtube montage of flood video linked in another thread about this and kept thinking "Damn- how many dead people am I looking at right this minute?"

Or when thirty cars bob and dip and float away "Please let those have just been parked, not occupied."
 
2021-07-21 2:35:47 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Geotpf: Mouser: The Washington Metro system at passes underneath the Potomac river to connect DC with Arlington, Virginia.  I've often wondered how safe that was.  Granted, the subway tunnel was bored well underneath the riverbed, but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.

Um, many subway systems around the world go underwater in part.

I'd be far more concerned about Chicago which is a city built on a swamp and which has to pass under multiple aging ship canals and iterations of the Chicago river.

Or BART which is not a tunnel under the bay, but a tunnel built on top of the bay.


well, then i guess it's a good thing the "L" in the chicago transit system stands for "elevated" and only a relatively small part of the lines ever go underground....
 
2021-07-21 2:37:08 PM  

Zik-Zak: Porous Horace: Aluminum Forge Exploding is the name of my light metal rock band.
[cary_grant_get_out.gif]


He had a point though. Pure aluminum has a density of 2.7 g/cm^3 which is quite damn light compared to say Osmium with a density of 22.65 g/cm^3. Now that's a heavy metal
/they should rename is Ozzmium
 
2021-07-21 2:37:34 PM  
but seriously, the videos coming out of this flooding are horrific. many lives have already been lost.
 
2021-07-21 2:44:31 PM  

berylman: Zik-Zak: Porous Horace: Aluminum Forge Exploding is the name of my light metal rock band.
[cary_grant_get_out.gif]

He had a point though. Pure aluminum has a density of 2.7 g/cm^3 which is quite damn light compared to say Osmium with a density of 22.65 g/cm^3. Now that's a heavy metal
/they should rename is Ozzmium


Never said he was wrong, I'm just acknowledging that it's a pun - a good one, I find - and here on Fark it is customary to respond to puns with a GIF of Cary Grant saying "Get out" from His Girl Friday (1940).
 
2021-07-21 2:45:33 PM  

luna1580: Rapmaster2000: Geotpf: Mouser: The Washington Metro system at passes underneath the Potomac river to connect DC with Arlington, Virginia.  I've often wondered how safe that was.  Granted, the subway tunnel was bored well underneath the riverbed, but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.

Um, many subway systems around the world go underwater in part.

I'd be far more concerned about Chicago which is a city built on a swamp and which has to pass under multiple aging ship canals and iterations of the Chicago river.

Or BART which is not a tunnel under the bay, but a tunnel built on top of the bay.

well, then i guess it's a good thing the "L" in the chicago transit system stands for "elevated" and only a relatively small part of the lines ever go underground....


Yes, I'm aware having ridden it hundreds of times.  The amount of miles under a patchwork of water is still of greater complexity than a single passage under the Potomac, no?

I'm not saying Chicago sucks.  I understand that second city syndrome has everyone in the city always on edge.
 
2021-07-21 2:54:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Somewhere, a Chinese Michael Bay protégé is furiously writing set piece notes.


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2021-07-21 3:02:34 PM  
Why bother with umbrellas when you're walking through waist-deep water?
 
2021-07-21 3:03:19 PM  
Is the buffet OK?
 
2021-07-21 3:04:00 PM  

Rapmaster2000: luna1580: Rapmaster2000: Geotpf: Mouser: The Washington Metro system at passes underneath the Potomac river to connect DC with Arlington, Virginia.  I've often wondered how safe that was.  Granted, the subway tunnel was bored well underneath the riverbed, but if somehow it got compromised, the entire Red line from Arlington Cemetery to the State Department would be flooded.

Um, many subway systems around the world go underwater in part.

I'd be far more concerned about Chicago which is a city built on a swamp and which has to pass under multiple aging ship canals and iterations of the Chicago river.

Or BART which is not a tunnel under the bay, but a tunnel built on top of the bay.

well, then i guess it's a good thing the "L" in the chicago transit system stands for "elevated" and only a relatively small part of the lines ever go underground....

Yes, I'm aware having ridden it hundreds of times.  The amount of miles under a patchwork of water is still of greater complexity than a single passage under the Potomac, no?

I'm not saying Chicago sucks.  I understand that second city syndrome has everyone in the city always on edge.


so you also understand that the "multiple aging ship canals" is just one: the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal, aka "the chicago river"? you are referring to a single water system.

now the blue line does go under the river, twice. and the red line (in the loop) goes under the river a lot. but since the entire river in that area is ALSO an engineered man made canal i'm not sure "being on a swamp" has much bearing on its safety today.

the CTA, even the underground lines, tend NOT to flood when it rains 4 inches in one day. probably because chicago is not a coastal city, like NYC.

now if 3 or 4 dams burst upstream of chicago we'd be well and truly farked! but fortunately there aren't any.

i'm not saying chicago doesn't need to keep a close eye on its infrastructure, particularly underground tunnels, but its risk level is not caused by anything like what is happening in china (and germany/belgium) currently, OR continues to happen in NYC.

the rivers in the burbs can and DO reach dangerous flood stages from heavy rains. which makes sense, as they are all downstream from the city itself, they flow into the mississippi river drainage system, not into lake michigan.
 
2021-07-21 3:06:23 PM  
I'm reminded of that horror find about a month after the boxing day tsunami, where they finally got to unearth the basement level of some hotel or resort where about 2 dozen people and a couple of instructors were holding a class on scuba diving when the wave hit. They had been in there the entire flooded time.
 
2021-07-21 3:11:12 PM  

luna1580: now if 3 or 4 dams burst upstream of chicago we'd be well and truly farked! but fortunately there aren't any.

i'm not saying chicago doesn't need to keep a close eye on its infrastructure, particularly underground tunnels, but its risk level is not caused by anything like what is happening in china (and germany/belgium) currently, OR continues to happen in NYC.


Keep in mind, I was specifically making a point that I'd worry more about Chicago OR  BART than the DC Metro and not this particular scenario in China... or Belgium or NYC which were never even brought into it.  Fine.  NYC sucks and so does their pizza.

Regardless, I'm not a civil engineer specializing in tunnel engineering, so I'll just leave this one alone.
 
2021-07-21 3:12:43 PM  

Smoking GNU: I'm reminded of that horror find about a month after the boxing day tsunami, where they finally got to unearth the basement level of some hotel or resort where about 2 dozen people and a couple of instructors were holding a class on scuba diving when the wave hit. They had been in there the entire flooded time.


I'll bet they were happy they had scuba gear.
 
2021-07-21 3:18:11 PM  

Salmon: Smoking GNU: I'm reminded of that horror find about a month after the boxing day tsunami, where they finally got to unearth the basement level of some hotel or resort where about 2 dozen people and a couple of instructors were holding a class on scuba diving when the wave hit. They had been in there the entire flooded time.

I'll bet they were happy they had scuba gear.


They didn't have usable gear, just a few example practice models to be taught on.
 
2021-07-21 3:26:43 PM  

Smoking GNU: Salmon: Smoking GNU: I'm reminded of that horror find about a month after the boxing day tsunami, where they finally got to unearth the basement level of some hotel or resort where about 2 dozen people and a couple of instructors were holding a class on scuba diving when the wave hit. They had been in there the entire flooded time.

I'll bet they were happy they had scuba gear.

They didn't have usable gear, just a few example practice models to be taught on.


They survived thats the important part.
 
2021-07-21 3:28:28 PM  

lolmao500: Smoking GNU: Salmon: Smoking GNU: I'm reminded of that horror find about a month after the boxing day tsunami, where they finally got to unearth the basement level of some hotel or resort where about 2 dozen people and a couple of instructors were holding a class on scuba diving when the wave hit. They had been in there the entire flooded time.

I'll bet they were happy they had scuba gear.

They didn't have usable gear, just a few example practice models to be taught on.

They survived thats the important part.


what makes you think they survived?
 
2021-07-21 3:28:39 PM  
In this thread:    people who extrapolate "once in a millenium events" beyond the location that the event's rarity is calculated for.
 
2021-07-21 3:29:14 PM  

lolmao500: Smoking GNU: Salmon: Smoking GNU: I'm reminded of that horror find about a month after the boxing day tsunami, where they finally got to unearth the basement level of some hotel or resort where about 2 dozen people and a couple of instructors were holding a class on scuba diving when the wave hit. They had been in there the entire flooded time.

I'll bet they were happy they had scuba gear.

They didn't have usable gear, just a few example practice models to be taught on.

They survived thats the important part.


Well now i just know ya'll are joking. No, they didn't.
 
2021-07-21 3:29:50 PM  

Rapmaster2000: huntercr: Am I the only one who is a tiny bit surprised the CCP helped them?

It's not remotely surprising if you understand their relationship with their primary ethnic group in a massively public event.

China might be more complex than you imagine.


I think we know how the CCP cares for theChinese   people
How they want it to appear is another matter. I supposed I am wrong to say I was surprised they cared... it's a situation that will evoke world wide sympathy, so maybe they were out in full force on camera.
 
2021-07-21 3:30:00 PM  

Embden.Meyerhof: In this thread:    people who extrapolate "once in a millenium events" beyond the location that the event's rarity is calculated for.


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2021-07-21 3:34:31 PM  

Pecunia non olet: Embden.Meyerhof: In this thread:    people who extrapolate "once in a millenium events" beyond the location that the event's rarity is calculated for.

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