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(NPR)   President Biden wants to fix your smartphone because, seriously, how do you even move your finger across all that broken glass? I mean, Jesus   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-07-21 10:31:06 AM  
I suppose this is anecdotal but there are two kiosks in my local mall alone that fix cell phones fairly cheaply. I'm not sure this should be high on his priority list.
 
2021-07-21 10:50:13 AM  

Mugato: I suppose this is anecdotal but there are two kiosks in my local mall alone that fix cell phones fairly cheaply. I'm not sure this should be high on his priority list.


Screen replacements, sure, but there are probably more difficult repairs that they won't do or won't do well (at least with iPhones). Right to repair is fairly important in other fields, too.

We had a thread on Right to Repair and John Deere like a week ago where some posters were worried about an apocalyptic future where you own nothing, just licenses to use products. On the other hand, one poster claimed to be an Apple employee and insisted that if anyone but Apple repairs your iPhone, they may stuff it full of Chinese spyware and recording devices, so to protect national security and personal liberty, Apple and Apple alone should be allowed to touch your iPhone.

It was a fun time.
 
2021-07-21 10:50:18 AM  

Mugato: I suppose this is anecdotal but there are two kiosks in my local mall alone that fix cell phones fairly cheaply. I'm not sure this should be high on his priority list.


Apple in particular makes it extremely difficult for third parties to repair their products.  Google "right to repair" for more details on the overall problem, which extends way past just cell phones.
 
2021-07-21 10:51:04 AM  
Johansen asks, "If you can't fix it, do you really own it?"

Damn straight.
 
2021-07-21 10:51:24 AM  
I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.
 
2021-07-21 10:51:58 AM  

Mugato: I suppose this is anecdotal but there are two kiosks in my local mall alone that fix cell phones fairly cheaply. I'm not sure this should be high on his priority list.


I know it should be obvious but I feel the need to point out that this person doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.
 
2021-07-21 10:53:30 AM  
Structural screen protector...
 
2021-07-21 10:53:54 AM  
Oh great now we got Bidenphones all over the place
 
2021-07-21 10:55:36 AM  
But what about that $2,000 check I was promised?!
 
2021-07-21 10:57:59 AM  

Geotpf: Mugato: I suppose this is anecdotal but there are two kiosks in my local mall alone that fix cell phones fairly cheaply. I'm not sure this should be high on his priority list.

Apple in particular makes it extremely difficult for third parties to repair their products.  Google "right to repair" for more details on the overall problem, which extends way past just cell phones.



Also for any Generation Z-ers reading the previous posts.... you can google "local mall" for more details on those.
 
2021-07-21 11:00:25 AM  
We should preserve the ability to do screen & battery replacements simply to reduce electronics waste.

I think my last 2-3 new phones would've been unnecessary if I could just replace the rechargeable battery.
 
2021-07-21 11:03:00 AM  

GregInIndy: We should preserve the ability to do screen & battery replacements simply to reduce electronics waste.

I think my last 2-3 new phones would've been unnecessary if I could just replace the rechargeable battery.


also chipset replacements

because I lost my last phone and I'd need all 3 to make a new one
 
2021-07-21 11:03:32 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.


Eases supply chain issues, too, since you don't have to buy a whole new widget when yours breaks.
 
2021-07-21 11:04:57 AM  
He's going to leave the new Right Wing smart phone alone right?
 
2021-07-21 11:05:54 AM  
Right to Repair discussed on Breaking Points w/ Krystal & Saagar
Youtube KcxkYiH9MgU
 
2021-07-21 11:06:06 AM  
The manufacturers should just sell me a pre cracked screen. I can make it like 2 weeks before the first crack appears.
 
2021-07-21 11:08:06 AM  
BILL HADER T MOBILE JUMP COMMERCIAL #7 319 of 730 BLOODY FINGER BROKEN SCREEN 8/11/13
Youtube wp8urMGKdHE
 
2021-07-21 11:09:07 AM  

Dafatone: We had a thread on Right to Repair and John Deere like a week ago where some posters were worried about an apocalyptic future where you own nothing, just licenses to use products. On the other hand, one poster claimed to be an Apple employee and insisted that if anyone but Apple repairs your iPhone, they may stuff it full of Chinese spyware and recording devices, so to protect national security and personal liberty, Apple and Apple alone should be allowed to touch your iPhone.


For the record, I'm not an Apple Employee. I'm a former Apple technician, that worked for a Apple Authorized Service Provider. Where I speak from is just that of someone who did these repairs for 4 years and has a good idea of the company line, plus my experiences working on them.

My end run is that most people are going to get suckered by this - they'll see cheap repairs, they'll do them, they'll be unhappy with them. People can and do that right now and they're not pleased with them. And there's serious concerns with how and where the parts come from.

I draw a real line between an iPhone, which is personal, has a ton of private data, and is used to access everything in your life though, and a Tractor. John Deere can't offer the support it should - near instant - then they shouldn't have that level in there. Downtime is wasted crops, and that's not fair.
 
2021-07-21 11:10:23 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.


It's one of the few ways to circumvent "Planned obsolescence" which is just this side of fraud, more of a scam/sham
 
2021-07-21 11:11:39 AM  
I'm all for right to repair.

I previously bought Mrs.OptiCyn two copies of the same phone so that she could always have a backup while i replaced the screen on one.

Battery replacements are really easy if you can find a credible replacement. You can buy compatible ones from China, but quality is extremely variable.
 
2021-07-21 11:11:41 AM  
Imagine if we had a functional Congress that could do stuff like this.  Instead we get ever-increasing power concentrated in a geriatric executive that can be easily reversed by the next geriatric executive.

Instead, we get poo-flinging and theater, while very little smart policy gets done.
 
2021-07-21 11:12:03 AM  
Obamaphone v2.0?
 
2021-07-21 11:15:24 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.


It's a tough issue.  Essentially, you either have incredibly cheap labor to fix it, or in most cases it's not cost effective to repair it.  It's awful for society and the earth.  My neighbor had a 46 inch flatscreen sitting on the curb that he said worked fine, but it had a dark spot in the corner and he wanted a bigger one anyway, so...
 
2021-07-21 11:16:13 AM  

Rapmaster2000: But what about that $2,000 check I was promised?!


Chet Americaman may have gotten that.
But I'm sure you'll come out ahead when you start getting the UC checks he signed you up for.

/ask any PA farkers about the last bit.
 
2021-07-21 11:19:30 AM  

Mugato: I suppose this is anecdotal but there are two kiosks in my local mall alone that fix cell phones fairly cheaply. I'm not sure this should be high on his priority list.


This has nothing to do with cell phones and everything to do with John Deere
 
2021-07-21 11:19:44 AM  

FLMountainMan: The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.

It's a tough issue.  Essentially, you either have incredibly cheap labor to fix it, or in most cases it's not cost effective to repair it.  It's awful for society and the earth.  My neighbor had a 46 inch flatscreen sitting on the curb that he said worked fine, but it had a dark spot in the corner and he wanted a bigger one anyway, so...


Do they not have recycling centers where you live or is he just lazy?
 
2021-07-21 11:20:04 AM  
I don't care what it is, a phone, a car, a dishwasher, Deere tractor or a farking potato.  If I buy it, I should legally be able to do with it what the hell I want.

Is it against the TOS throwing my iPhone into a blender? Is it illegal to drive my Deere tracktor into my barn and set them both on fire on my damn property?

Makes absolutely no sense, other than locking in revenue from repairs to the manufacturer and keeping the OWNER of the device from doing with his property whatever the hell he/she wants.

Here is the next evolution of keeping people from doing whatever they want with their property:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/01/bmw​-​wants-to-sell-you-subscriptions-to-you​r-cars-features/

BMW is now selling cars that have ALL THE FEATURES BUILT IN, BUT, if you want to use them, you must pay a monthly fee for whatever "extra" features you want.

Brilliant, just farking brilliant...

/Meh
 
2021-07-21 11:21:47 AM  

Orallo: I don't care what it is, a phone, a car, a dishwasher, Deere tractor or a farking potato.  If I buy it, I should legally be able to do with it what the hell I want.

Is it against the TOS throwing my iPhone into a blender? Is it illegal to drive my Deere tracktor into my barn and set them both on fire on my damn property?

Makes absolutely no sense, other than locking in revenue from repairs to the manufacturer and keeping the OWNER of the device from doing with his property whatever the hell he/she wants.

Here is the next evolution of keeping people from doing whatever they want with their property:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/01/bmw-​wants-to-sell-you-subscriptions-to-you​r-cars-features/

BMW is now selling cars that have ALL THE FEATURES BUILT IN, BUT, if you want to use them, you must pay a monthly fee for whatever "extra" features you want.

Brilliant, just farking brilliant...

/Meh


Ah, the Tesla maneuver
 
2021-07-21 11:21:56 AM  
Those new iphones are a pain in the ass. I use to be able to swap a cell screen at home. Not anymore. You need a co2 laser to melt the epoxy.
 
2021-07-21 11:23:00 AM  
Sorry everyone I don't know where else to go right now with this: There is a Los Angeles Times writer named "Luke Money."  My entire life up till now not being named Luke Money has been a lie.  It's like Jodi Foster in Contact but instead of civilizations it's possibilities.
 
2021-07-21 11:23:16 AM  

Fart_Machine: FLMountainMan: The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.

It's a tough issue.  Essentially, you either have incredibly cheap labor to fix it, or in most cases it's not cost effective to repair it.  It's awful for society and the earth.  My neighbor had a 46 inch flatscreen sitting on the curb that he said worked fine, but it had a dark spot in the corner and he wanted a bigger one anyway, so...

Do they not have recycling centers where you live or is he just lazy?


He's a very lazy sonofabiatch, but I'm not aware of a recycling center that will take a flatscreen, even in my very blue city.
 
2021-07-21 11:23:34 AM  

Orallo: BMW is now selling cars that have ALL THE FEATURES BUILT IN, BUT, if you want to use them, you must pay a monthly fee for whatever "extra" features you want.


Some Russian kid will fix that. Of course then you lose your warranty. But I'm sure some helpful people will call about that.
 
2021-07-21 11:23:55 AM  

Fart_Machine: FLMountainMan: The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.

It's a tough issue.  Essentially, you either have incredibly cheap labor to fix it, or in most cases it's not cost effective to repair it.  It's awful for society and the earth.  My neighbor had a 46 inch flatscreen sitting on the curb that he said worked fine, but it had a dark spot in the corner and he wanted a bigger one anyway, so...

Do they not have recycling centers where you live or is he just lazy?


Houston got rid of most of their recycling centers. It is difficult to tell who takes what and I have to drive 30+ minutes for most things. We have single stream recycling pickup where they JUST reintroduced glass to that. Plastic bags, film etc. Is still a no go and we have to drive it to an HEB.

Recycling is a pain in the ass, costs time and money so less people are likely to do it. You want to change that, stop telling people don't be lazy and add a monetary incentive and make it easy. Problem solved.
 
2021-07-21 11:24:26 AM  
I haven't broken a screen in years.  Ringke cases are no joke.
 
2021-07-21 11:25:16 AM  

saintstryfe: My end run is that most people are going to get suckered by this - they'll see cheap repairs, they'll do them, they'll be unhappy with them.


Caveat Emptor.  It's their choice and they should be allowed to make it.  If they were smart they wouldn't have purchased an apple product in the first place.
 
2021-07-21 11:25:29 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Those new iphones are a pain in the ass. I use to be able to swap a cell screen at home. Not anymore. You need a co2 laser to melt the epoxy.


That is due to IP68 certification. Glass can't just be tacked on now and the device be waterproof.
 
2021-07-21 11:25:29 AM  
My screen isn't cracked, just my screen protector.
 
2021-07-21 11:26:03 AM  

FLMountainMan: My neighbor had a 46 inch flatscreen sitting on the curb that he said worked fine, but it had a dark spot in the corner and he wanted a bigger one anyway, so...


Pop in a new set of LEDs and you'll have a good as new TV. Probably like a ~$20 fix if you can get the parts (with the way things are from china now who knows)
 
2021-07-21 11:26:04 AM  

FLMountainMan: Fart_Machine: FLMountainMan: The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.

It's a tough issue.  Essentially, you either have incredibly cheap labor to fix it, or in most cases it's not cost effective to repair it.  It's awful for society and the earth.  My neighbor had a 46 inch flatscreen sitting on the curb that he said worked fine, but it had a dark spot in the corner and he wanted a bigger one anyway, so...

Do they not have recycling centers where you live or is he just lazy?

He's a very lazy sonofabiatch, but I'm not aware of a recycling center that will take a flatscreen, even in my very blue city.


Weird, my city recycling center takes both flatscreen and CRT.
 
2021-07-21 11:26:55 AM  
This is 5he same business model that car manufacturers have used for years, now -- "its too _________ for Joe Blow to fix -- we'll sell you a warranty, you fixed in our garage, etc -- it's just a more holistic approach to getting all your money"
 
2021-07-21 11:27:37 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.


This.

It's bullshiat that Apple makes these claims about being green, but then churn out devices that are basically useless and are $1,000 + bricks if something minor happens to them.

They lie.
 
2021-07-21 11:29:26 AM  

dkulprit: The Irresponsible Captain: I'm a big fan of Right to Repair. Making stuff last is a great way to reduce waste.

This.

It's bullshiat that Apple makes these claims about being green, but then churn out devices that are basically useless and are $1,000 + bricks if something minor happens to them.

They lie.


Nah man, they quit shipping chargers with phones to be greener.  It totes wasn't to save money on the backs of their customers.
 
2021-07-21 11:29:33 AM  
Hey, what happened to that new totes not a troll guy who bought 2 of those FREEDOM PHONGS for $500 a pop when they retail for $50????
You ok, bubba?


Guess that alt got torched in about a day.
 
2021-07-21 11:30:38 AM  
I use Zagg. They break pretty easily (as they are supposed to) but the replacements are fairly cheap. In fact mine is broken again.

I wanted to show you a screen shot of the damage but for some reason it doesn't show up in the pic. Biden please send help!!!!
 
2021-07-21 11:31:32 AM  

tricycleracer: Nah man, they quit shipping chargers with phones to be greener. It totes wasn't to save money on the backs of their customers.


Of course your old charger doesn't put out the amps to charge it at full speed, so you need to buy the new charger.
 
2021-07-21 11:31:36 AM  

Por que tan serioso: Sorry everyone I don't know where else to go right now with this: There is a Los Angeles Times writer named "Luke Money."  My entire life up till now not being named Luke Money has been a lie.  It's like Jodi Foster in Contact but instead of civilizations it's possibilities.


A while back, there was a little league world series player named Blake Money.

This was his brother in the stands. His brother Cash.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-07-21 11:32:45 AM  
Literally the only screen I have ever cracked is the one on my Surface Pro 3 (and it happened on, again literally, my first day of grad school). Which makes it oh-so-much fun every time Windows updates and re-turns on the touchscreen. (I finally found a fix for it, going into the registry to override disabling it in Device Manager. WTF?)

No repair store would touch it, and MS wanted ~$1,000 - not to fix it, but to replace it with a newer model.

// still works gangbusters as a laptop
 
2021-07-21 11:33:54 AM  

saintstryfe: Dafatone: We had a thread on Right to Repair and John Deere like a week ago where some posters were worried about an apocalyptic future where you own nothing, just licenses to use products. On the other hand, one poster claimed to be an Apple employee and insisted that if anyone but Apple repairs your iPhone, they may stuff it full of Chinese spyware and recording devices, so to protect national security and personal liberty, Apple and Apple alone should be allowed to touch your iPhone.

For the record, I'm not an Apple Employee. I'm a former Apple technician, that worked for a Apple Authorized Service Provider. Where I speak from is just that of someone who did these repairs for 4 years and has a good idea of the company line, plus my experiences working on them.

My end run is that most people are going to get suckered by this - they'll see cheap repairs, they'll do them, they'll be unhappy with them. People can and do that right now and they're not pleased with them. And there's serious concerns with how and where the parts come from.

I draw a real line between an iPhone, which is personal, has a ton of private data, and is used to access everything in your life though, and a Tractor. John Deere can't offer the support it should - near instant - then they shouldn't have that level in there. Downtime is wasted crops, and that's not fair.


And apple is clear and concise and never cons anyone?

Never says they have to replace a device outright for thousands of dollars for what is actually an easy and cheap repair?

Apple techs never steal data?

If people choose to go to 3rd party repair centers and have a shoddy job done, that is:
1. On them, as they chose a non-authorized repair.
2. Have more recourse than against Apple
3. Can make an informed decision based on what the Apple repair says vs 3rd party repair.

Apple can be just as scummy as 3rd party repair people.  There's been tons of undercover journalists who have shown just that.  If it's a 3rd party repair the user can at least go to their local biz licensing board and file complaints, if it isn't rectified they can have their license pulled.

You can try that with apple.... but a town isn't going to actually punish Apple since they are a big name and don't want to scare off big businesses like that.

For every 1 incident of 3rd party doing something bad, I can show you 1 story of Apple or Apple authorized repair doing the same thing.
 
2021-07-21 11:35:29 AM  
FTFAAmericans, he says, dispose of 416,000 cellphones a day.

Is this even remotely accurate? I assume "dispose" also means recycling (Can you even recycle phones?). But this number seems too high for me.

A. Not everyone owns a cell phone.
2. 1 in ~ 800 people throw away/recycle a phone daily?
c. I call BS!
 
2021-07-21 11:35:36 AM  

GardenWeasel: justanotherfarkinfarker: Those new iphones are a pain in the ass. I use to be able to swap a cell screen at home. Not anymore. You need a co2 laser to melt the epoxy.

That is due to IP68 certification. Glass can't just be tacked on now and the device be waterproof.


Sony has had waterproof phones for years longer than Apple and you use to be able to take them off with a heat-gun and a screwdriver. It's been a long time since I worked on one so I don't know if that still is the case, but it was.
 
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