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(The Ringer)   White suburban dad who sucks at parenting blames NBA refs, those players, for being dad who sucks at parenting   (theringer.com) divider line
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5 days ago  
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5 days ago  
I just wanted to point out that most writers don't live in the suburbs.  They live in cities.  This guy lives in LA.

Granted, the "suburban dad" thing connotates an idea that he's living in a mostly homogenous enclave of upper-middle class whitedom, which is probably true because it's probably decidedly gentrified where he lives and his 2 bedroom house cost $800,000 five years ago.

Where was I going with this?  Oh yeah.  Why do we keep greenlighting Ringer articles if everyone hates the Ringer so much?
 
5 days ago  

Rapmaster2000: Why do we keep greenlighting Ringer articles if everyone hates the Ringer so much?


Ringer is a breath of fresh air compared to Lifehacker, Jezebel, Barstool Sports, or any one of a dozen+ bottom-feeding blogs that Fark must now accept as standard fare because links to actual news sites of merit only mean that each thread will have something like "OMG THERE'S A PAYWALL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO" as every third post.
 
5 days ago  

Pocket Ninja: will have something like "OMG THERE'S A PAYWALL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO" as every third post.


Just needed a little polish. But this.
 
5 days ago  

Pocket Ninja: "OMG THERE'S A PAYWALL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO" as every third post.


How DARE these workers expect me to pay them for the content which they produce when I can get real, quality, top-notch journalistic content for free from Buzzfeed and TMZ?
 
5 days ago  
Do you really need the "white" on there?  "Suburban dad" kinda says it all.  Anyway, article was kind of a tedious description of basic parenting.
 
5 days ago  
I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.
 
5 days ago  
I was watching an Italian diving competition and a soccer game broke out.
 
5 days ago  

too_amuzed: I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.


Hatred of diving is a decidedly American thing (One that I agree with, mind you). Americans hate anything that is perceived as "weak" or "unmanly" no matter what. Europeans aren't as hung up on being macho, and they* don't care much about diving because it's just getting an advantage

*At least the Europeans I've met
 
5 days ago  

TDWCom29: too_amuzed: I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.

Hatred of diving is a decidedly American thing (One that I agree with, mind you). Americans hate anything that is perceived as "weak" or "unmanly" no matter what. Europeans aren't as hung up on being macho, and they* don't care much about diving because it's just getting an advantage

*At least the Europeans I've met


I don't hate flopping because it isn't macho.

I hate flopping because it's unsportsmanlike. It's not playing the sport; it's playing the ref. It's behaving like the child that hurts themselves and is fine, but sees their mommy and starts crying.

You didn't get hurt, you just want attention. GFY, liar.
 
5 days ago  

IAmRight: TDWCom29: too_amuzed: I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.

Hatred of diving is a decidedly American thing (One that I agree with, mind you). Americans hate anything that is perceived as "weak" or "unmanly" no matter what. Europeans aren't as hung up on being macho, and they* don't care much about diving because it's just getting an advantage

*At least the Europeans I've met

I don't hate flopping because it isn't macho.

I hate flopping because it's unsportsmanlike. It's not playing the sport; it's playing the ref. It's behaving like the child that hurts themselves and is fine, but sees their mommy and starts crying.

You didn't get hurt, you just want attention. GFY, liar.


Playing the refs is part of the sport. Again I don't like diving either, but there are definite cultural differences of opinion. And my armchair analysis of why is that, at least subconsciously, Americans hate "weakness"
 
5 days ago  

TDWCom29: IAmRight: TDWCom29: too_amuzed: I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.

Hatred of diving is a decidedly American thing (One that I agree with, mind you). Americans hate anything that is perceived as "weak" or "unmanly" no matter what. Europeans aren't as hung up on being macho, and they* don't care much about diving because it's just getting an advantage

*At least the Europeans I've met

I don't hate flopping because it isn't macho.

I hate flopping because it's unsportsmanlike. It's not playing the sport; it's playing the ref. It's behaving like the child that hurts themselves and is fine, but sees their mommy and starts crying.

You didn't get hurt, you just want attention. GFY, liar.

Playing the refs is part of the sport. Again I don't like diving either, but there are definite cultural differences of opinion. And my armchair analysis of why is that, at least subconsciously, Americans hate "weakness"


Is being a cheater displaying weakness?

It is similar in my eyes to those "unwritten rules" that sports seem to gloss over.

Dive in soccer to get something you can't earn. Use spidertack because you can't control the baseball like you want. Wear super dark "eye protection" so the player can't see your eyes to give away a player read in football.

The assumptions being we all agreed to watch/play a fair competition. To break that agreement is to lie.
 
5 days ago  

AppleOptionEsc: TDWCom29: IAmRight: TDWCom29: too_amuzed: I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.

Hatred of diving is a decidedly American thing (One that I agree with, mind you). Americans hate anything that is perceived as "weak" or "unmanly" no matter what. Europeans aren't as hung up on being macho, and they* don't care much about diving because it's just getting an advantage

*At least the Europeans I've met

I don't hate flopping because it isn't macho.

I hate flopping because it's unsportsmanlike. It's not playing the sport; it's playing the ref. It's behaving like the child that hurts themselves and is fine, but sees their mommy and starts crying.

You didn't get hurt, you just want attention. GFY, liar.

Playing the refs is part of the sport. Again I don't like diving either, but there are definite cultural differences of opinion. And my armchair analysis of why is that, at least subconsciously, Americans hate "weakness"

Is being a cheater displaying weakness?

It is similar in my eyes to those "unwritten rules" that sports seem to gloss over.

Dive in soccer to get something you can't earn. Use spidertack because you can't control the baseball like you want. Wear super dark "eye protection" so the player can't see your eyes to give away a player read in football.

The assumptions being we all agreed to watch/play a fair competition. To break that agreement is to lie.


Again, and again, I'm not saying diving is good. I'm saying there's (probably) a subconscious reason why Americans hate diving and most of the rest of the world doesn't really give a shiat. At least not to the level Americans do
 
5 days ago  

TDWCom29: IAmRight: TDWCom29: too_amuzed: I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.

Hatred of diving is a decidedly American thing (One that I agree with, mind you). Americans hate anything that is perceived as "weak" or "unmanly" no matter what. Europeans aren't as hung up on being macho, and they* don't care much about diving because it's just getting an advantage

*At least the Europeans I've met

I don't hate flopping because it isn't macho.

I hate flopping because it's unsportsmanlike. It's not playing the sport; it's playing the ref. It's behaving like the child that hurts themselves and is fine, but sees their mommy and starts crying.

You didn't get hurt, you just want attention. GFY, liar.

Playing the refs is part of the sport. Again I don't like diving either, but there are definite cultural differences of opinion. And my armchair analysis of why is that, at least subconsciously, Americans hate "weakness"


No, it isn't.

When these people are playing soccer among themselves in pickup games, there are no refs. They wouldn't dive in those situations. Refs are not part of the sport; they exist as a necessary evil to avoid disputes between the teams.

I similarly think very little of people that hide behind legal technicalities to do what they know is morally wrong.

It's impossible to legislate every situation and if people behaved properly then the rules would be fine. Their actions give advantage to dishonest people, forcing the system to evaluate creating new rules that will disadvantage those who are genuinely aggrieved (and possibly implement them).
 
5 days ago  
(I can buy that there's an element of machismo to the disgust for diving in America, which is funny because the sex that does the most diving is men - women play way tougher in soccer and basketball. I wouldn't say that other nations are less hung up on masculinity, however, though they may determine what's "manly" in other, even dumber, avenues of life.)
 
5 days ago  

IAmRight: TDWCom29: IAmRight: TDWCom29: too_amuzed: I watched the Euro final match (Eng v Italy).  Soccer players must be taught that upon contact, you must fall to the ground and grab your ankle.  Even if the contact was to your head.  It's disgraceful.

Hatred of diving is a decidedly American thing (One that I agree with, mind you). Americans hate anything that is perceived as "weak" or "unmanly" no matter what. Europeans aren't as hung up on being macho, and they* don't care much about diving because it's just getting an advantage

*At least the Europeans I've met

I don't hate flopping because it isn't macho.

I hate flopping because it's unsportsmanlike. It's not playing the sport; it's playing the ref. It's behaving like the child that hurts themselves and is fine, but sees their mommy and starts crying.

You didn't get hurt, you just want attention. GFY, liar.

Playing the refs is part of the sport. Again I don't like diving either, but there are definite cultural differences of opinion. And my armchair analysis of why is that, at least subconsciously, Americans hate "weakness"

No, it isn't.

When these people are playing soccer among themselves in pickup games, there are no refs. They wouldn't dive in those situations. Refs are not part of the sport; they exist as a necessary evil to avoid disputes between the teams.

I similarly think very little of people that hide behind legal technicalities to do what they know is morally wrong.

It's impossible to legislate every situation and if people behaved properly then the rules would be fine. Their actions give advantage to dishonest people, forcing the system to evaluate creating new rules that will disadvantage those who are genuinely aggrieved (and possibly implement them).


So why do Americans care so much more than the rest of the world? Because we care so much more about "law and order"?
 
5 days ago  

IAmRight: (I can buy that there's an element of machismo to the disgust for diving in America, which is funny because the sex that does the most diving is men - women play way tougher in soccer and basketball. I wouldn't say that other nations are less hung up on masculinity, however, though they may determine what's "manly" in other, even dumber, avenues of life.)


This is reasonable, and basically what I've been saying
 
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