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(Medium)   It's official: We are in a chipageddon. "Some manufacturers forecast the shortage will last until at least mid-2022"   (medium.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Semiconductor, Semiconductor device, Semiconductor device fabrication, Supply and demand, Integrated circuit, semiconductors founders, Transistor, computer chips  
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599 clicks; posted to STEM » on 21 Jul 2021 at 2:50 AM (5 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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5 days ago  
"Miss-calculated"

Are you looking to get stabbed, subby?
 
5 days ago  
I just wanted a farking RTX 3080! At this rate, I might as well wait for the 5080 series to be released.
 
5 days ago  

kudayta: I just wanted a farking RTX 3080! At this rate, I might as well wait for the 5080 series to be released.


Never waste money on graphics cards when they are released. My 2080 from 3 years ago will last another 5 years until it actually NEEDS to be replaced, and that will just be due to age and not actual capabilities. By then the price for a 3x series will be in the 150 range, and the 4x series will probably only run 250 or so
 
5 days ago  

lifeslammer: Never waste money on graphics cards when they are released.



Just checked on 1660 prices on Newegg, PNY has one with a squirrel fan for about $700.

This is just so stupid. How stupid? I bought a 2GB Asus 960 Super years ago and the price is double what I paid for it back then!!

I guess the bright side is if I can sling it I can buy that 1660 for what I paid for the 960...
 
5 days ago  
Well, I mean, I'm supposed to be giving them up because they're high in oxalates...

...oh, THOSE chips. Ah. Well, I guess I can make it work for a while then?

\but seriously, I'm supposed to be giving up potatoes...and beans...and tomatoes...and nuts...I think.
\\find out for sure on Friday
 
5 days ago  
I was looking for a simple VGA style video PCIe card to use a console for testing mismatched Ryzen systems and other broken computers. There were no cheap ones to be found and the cheapest ones need more than 1x and a huge heat sink. ASRock make something called Paul with lights out managment but it looks like it will cost more than $200.
 
5 days ago  
... Given how long it can take to build new facilities, I'm actually surprised? Mid-2022 is WAY sooner than It thought this would end. I was anticipating YEARS.
 
5 days ago  
Making cryptocurrency mining a capital crime would help.

There are much more important uses for hardware than letting chuds mint pedo-pesos.
 
5 days ago  

DON.MAC: I was looking for a simple VGA style video PCIe card to use a console for testing mismatched Ryzen systems and other broken computers. There were no cheap ones to be found and the cheapest ones need more than 1x and a huge heat sink. ASRock make something called Paul with lights out managment but it looks like it will cost more than $200.


newegg has a few low end ones.  There's an 8mb (!!!) one for $18 if you're turning it into a limbo competition.
 
5 days ago  

DON.MAC: I was looking for a simple VGA style video PCIe card to use a console for testing mismatched Ryzen systems and other broken computers. There were no cheap ones to be found and the cheapest ones need more than 1x and a huge heat sink. ASRock make something called Paul with lights out managment but it looks like it will cost more than $200.


Are you in the US / US territories? You should be able to acquire a basic card pretty cheap.

$14.99 (+ tax if you have a state that collects tax on online purchases), free shipping.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224443605360​

I'm almost positive that card has vga, dvi and hdmi. You could always shoot them a message to make sure :)
 
5 days ago  

Tenatra: DON.MAC: I was looking for a simple VGA style video PCIe card to use a console for testing mismatched Ryzen systems and other broken computers. There were no cheap ones to be found and the cheapest ones need more than 1x and a huge heat sink. ASRock make something called Paul with lights out managment but it looks like it will cost more than $200.

Are you in the US / US territories?


Ah wait, your profile says you are downunder  (Australia?) I'm afraid you aren't well off receiving goods if that's the case. Damn international shipping, Awhile back some lady wanted to buy a doll from me but I checked the shipping on it and it was something around $30 or so to get it there.
 
5 days ago  

WalkingSedgwick: Making cryptocurrency mining a capital crime would help.

There are much more important uses for hardware than letting chuds mint pedo-pesos.


Cryptocurrency sucks shiat, but it isn't really at fault for this aside from making it harder to get graphics cards. *EVERY* chip is experiencing a shortage, at the manufacturing level. Due to a drought in taiwan, one of the major plants had its production slow way down (Chip manufacture takes an INCREDIBLE quantity of Ultra-pure water), and I believe one or two other facilities in China were damaged by flooding a few years back?

.. Like, I agree, Crypto sucks and should be banned, it's just not really at fault *here*.
 
5 days ago  
What Miss Calculation might look like:

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5 days ago  
OMG I'm never going to get a PS5!
 
5 days ago  
Yeah, it is common now to see 52 week backorder times on components.

We are leaving the time of cheap, plentiful, electronics for at least 1-2 years.
 
5 days ago  
I think I'll wait until you can actually buy a 3060 for MRRP (something like £250 IIRC) before I upgrade.

That will do me for a while
 
5 days ago  

Ambivalence: OMG I'm never going to get a PS5!


I feel you.  Months ago I had one in my Walmart cart and it disappeared. Another time I actually got as far as putting in my shipping information before it vanished.

Last week I got wind of Gamestop doing a restock online. Not knowing the time, I just happened to check right at 12pm they had them.  Only as part of a $750 bundle.  You had to buy 2 games, a 2nd controller and spend 50 bucks to buy a gift card to get one.

By the time I looked to see what the bundle came with to see if I wanted to buy all that, they were gone.  Sold out in a minute.

But it's nice to see that some asshat on ebay has a stack of 12 of them for sale for $1100 each.
 
5 days ago  
Gee, I was told monopolistic capitalism was the solution, not the problem.
 
5 days ago  
Time to get out the breadboards and rolls of wire.
 
5 days ago  

WalkingSedgwick: Making cryptocurrency mining a capital crime would help.

There are much more important uses for hardware than letting chuds mint pedo-pesos.



you can't make the Future a crime.
 
5 days ago  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Gee, I was told monopolistic capitalism was the solution, not the problem.



run amuck Capitalism: the Jungle by other means.
 
5 days ago  
biatch and whine about "can't play my game and defeat the universe because i can't find the latest graphics cards"


the Librem 5 has been held up because of the chip shortage.  that's real pain, especially when stuck with android spybot crapOS.
 
5 days ago  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Gee, I was told monopolistic capitalism was the solution, not the problem.


Who, specifically, told you that?
 
5 days ago  
The more generalized description of the problem is that modern semiconductor fabrication facilities are extremely expensive and take years to build.  Because of the costs and timeframes involved, everyone in the industry is worried about over-building - if you overestimate demand, you're stuck with billions of dollars of fabrication equipment not making money and then you are unable to invest in the next (even more expensive) node technology and get wiped out by the competition.  Therefore, everyone is cautious about their demand estimates and if demand spikes we end up with, well, this.

Unless the cost problems are resolved (which they won't be - fabricating chips with billions of <10nm transistors in just inherently expensive) or the industry cartelizes with the design houses guaranteeing capacity utilization for the fabs well ahead of time the general problem is not going to go away and we're going to have cycles like this more and more often going forward on the leading edge nodes.
 
5 days ago  

OptionC: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Gee, I was told monopolistic capitalism was the solution, not the problem.

Who, specifically, told you that?


Monopolists.

And their whore politicans.
 
5 days ago  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: OptionC: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Gee, I was told monopolistic capitalism was the solution, not the problem.

Who, specifically, told you that?

Monopolists.

And their whore politicans.


That is not terribly specific.  Do you have a name?
 
4 days ago  

Tenatra: DON.MAC: I was looking for a simple VGA style video PCIe card to use a console for testing mismatched Ryzen systems and other broken computers. [...]

I'm almost positive that card has vga, dvi and hdmi. You could always shoot them a message to make sure :)


That card (like most of the easy to find ones) are old PCI, not PCIe.  There are PCIe->PCI adapters that I might have to look into.  Some of the newer BIOS can't setup PCI bus stuff properly anymore.  Newegg Oz doesn't seem to have any cheap low cost ones either.
 
4 days ago  

DON.MAC: Tenatra: DON.MAC: I was looking for a simple VGA style video PCIe card to use a console for testing mismatched Ryzen systems and other broken computers. [...]

I'm almost positive that card has vga, dvi and hdmi. You could always shoot them a message to make sure :)

That card (like most of the easy to find ones) are old PCI, not PCIe.  There are PCIe->PCI adapters that I might have to look into.  Some of the newer BIOS can't setup PCI bus stuff properly anymore.  Newegg Oz doesn't seem to have any cheap low cost ones either.


doh! didn't even catch that it was just pci. I was trying to avoid the DMS-59 video out cards which populate much of the sub $10USD range.
There are other dirt cheap options if you can skip on vga out and go the dvi/display port route. :p
You know what you want more than I do so I'd take a look at ebay rather than Newegg. It can hit scalper territory but ebay is generally pretty nice if it isn't a hot/rare/collectible item. Say even an old 1gb ddr5 hd7770 that I have here in case I need it. If I were to toss it up right now, I'd only expect to sell for maybe ~$55USD tops - and I bought that thing for $90 in 2013.

Just quickly browsing there is this in AU for $24.90AUD. Could be better deals out there than that
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/334057738​1​11

Also when it comes to ebay if you see a Buy it now price, it's an item you are interested in, but is higher than you want to pay. You can always send the seller an email and see if they'll agree to a lower price. Some people have got me to lower my asking price just by asking if I'd accept what they were willing to pay ;)  [ it's not gonna work with hot ticket scalper items unless you pay close to the trending premium, that's a different seller mindset :p ]
 
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