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2021-07-21 4:41:34 AM  
This is what happens when you put party loyalty before everything else. A vast majority of the dams in china were built during Mao whem the people who knew how to do this right were being shipped off for "reeducation"

This is going to keep happening for a few decades
 
2021-07-21 4:52:07 AM  
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whole area seems to be build on sand, so river deciding it wants to run downtown instead of where it is during a massive flood seems pretty feasible.

not sure what they can do about it, dredge some lakes every few 100 klicks and keep them dry so in case of more water then can be stopped by dams you fill up the empty reservoirs ? even then if it only happen every 30-40 years after half that time someone will decide to rezone those place and built them up.
 
2021-07-21 4:53:15 AM  
From TFA:

According to the authorities, the rainfall was the heaviest since record-keeping began 60 years ago, with the city seeing the equivalent of a year's average rainfall in just three days.

This has nothing to do with the low quality of Chinese construction. Nobody builds dams to withstand a year's worth of rainfall in a few days.

This is what climate apocalypse looks like.

Anyone who still thinks there is any kind of livable future more than a few decades ahead is deluding themselves.
 
2021-07-21 4:57:35 AM  
Nsfw?

MAJOR Floods in Zhengzhou, China! Subway Flooded! - Jul. 20, 2021 郑州水灾
Youtube Np-7jLWBY3U
 
2021-07-21 5:19:21 AM  
I hate to be that person, but here I am.

Why the umbrella when you're wading up to your knees?
 
2021-07-21 5:20:08 AM  

Drearyx: Nsfw?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Np-7jLWB​Y3U]


Most likely if you're a valet parker.
 
2021-07-21 5:24:20 AM  

minorshan: I hate to be that person, but here I am.

Why the umbrella when you're wading up to your knees?


Habit and some tiny modicum of psychological comfort.
 
2021-07-21 5:43:52 AM  
WalkingSedgwick:

Anyone who still thinks there is any kind of livable future more than a few decades ahead is deluding deluging themselves.

FTFY.
 
2021-07-21 5:49:10 AM  
8-10" of rain an hour is downright tropical and 25" in a day (particularly when that is the areas annual average precipitation) is downright obscene.
 
2021-07-21 5:53:39 AM  
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2021-07-21 5:58:27 AM  

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2021-07-21 6:03:46 AM  
12... Riiiiiiight. Just 12. Gotcha.
 
2021-07-21 6:04:19 AM  

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2021-07-21 6:05:20 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: 12... Riiiiiiight. Just 12. Gotcha.


After seeing that subway car neck deep in water and then seeing the water rushing into the subway...ya...nightmare fuel...and there's way more than 12
 
2021-07-21 6:05:54 AM  
We had a thread going on this very thing down the main page. But we're talking about 12 cities affected by flooding from two rivers that converge, and three dams that failed. The last I looked (BBC World News) 200,000 people were evacuated. 11 million dollars in damage and climbing, including crops destroyed. The (now 16 (Reuters)) dead people are just the dead ones they've found, and I'm pretty sure those were all people who drowned in a subway that flooded. The city Zhengzhou has 10 million people and change, which is like if New York City suffered a similar catastrophe (8 million people and change).

This area got a year's worth of rain in three days, and according to Chinese weather forecasts, the rain is supposed to continue.

It's not looking too good.
 
2021-07-21 6:09:56 AM  

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Whenever I see that picture I always imagine the horse saying "Get off me, you cock!"
 
2021-07-21 6:28:46 AM  
I get how hurricane Harvey dropped 2 feet of rain in three days.  How did that happen over an area where the storm wasn't stalled out while drawing moisture from somewhere?
 
2021-07-21 6:38:27 AM  

Mister Buttons: I get how hurricane Harvey dropped 2 feet of rain in three days.  How did that happen over an area where the storm wasn't stalled out while drawing moisture from somewhere?


Typhoon remnant running inland into terrain.. The moist tropical air is lifted by the rise in elevation to the point of condensation and it rains...And as long as that moist air from the ocean is being drawn in and forced up, it's
going to keep raining..
 
2021-07-21 6:48:53 AM  
cell phone coverage in a tunnel underwater, at least that's some tight internet connectivity.
 
2021-07-21 6:56:07 AM  

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This feels like the weirdest version of one of those "complete the pattern" puzzles.
 
2021-07-21 6:56:22 AM  

Drearyx: Nsfw?

[YouTube video: MAJOR Floods in Zhengzhou, China! Subway Flooded! - Jul. 20, 2021 郑州水灾]


Nightmare fuel.  Just awful. Those poor people.
 
2021-07-21 6:56:49 AM  

Drearyx: Nsfw?

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2021-07-21 6:58:12 AM  

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2021-07-21 7:08:22 AM  

Drearyx: Nsfw?

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Yes. For when I catch up to you and beat your ass over that vertical video.
 
2021-07-21 7:11:03 AM  

Mister Buttons: I get how hurricane Harvey dropped 2 feet of rain in three days.  How did that happen over an area where the storm wasn't stalled out while drawing moisture from somewhere?


Bruv. Anything's possible if you lie.
 
2021-07-21 7:13:44 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: We had a thread going on this very thing down the main page. But we're talking about 12 cities affected by flooding from two rivers that converge, and three dams that failed. The last I looked (BBC World News) 200,000 people were evacuated. 11 million dollars in damage and climbing, including crops destroyed. The (now 16 (Reuters)) dead people are just the dead ones they've found, and I'm pretty sure those were all people who drowned in a subway that flooded. The city Zhengzhou has 10 million people and change, which is like if New York City suffered a similar catastrophe (8 million people and change).

This area got a year's worth of rain in three days, and according to Chinese weather forecasts, the rain is supposed to continue.

It's not looking too good.


It is super sad.

In about 2012 or so, there was very bad flooding over a long term in Thailand. As many Farkers might know, when you get pummeled by rains, you can keep the water held up in dams and hope that they stop, but if you go that route and guess wrong, you have to open the dams later during the rainy season and make things twice as bad OR you lose your dams and make things 10 times worse.

Dam management throughout Asia is getting to be extremely difficult. Without any precedent to support decisions, you pretty much have a guy flipping a coin to decide whether to destroy a city or not.

Lake Powell and Lake Mead, of course, will not have that problem, maybe ever again.

And just to riff on that, if those areas of the Powell and Mead watersheds got this much rain in this amount of time, the erosion would be cataclysmic. Flash flood conditions for days, with anyone at the mouth of a valley just inundated.

So be careful what you wish for and don't be jealous about the rain.
 
2021-07-21 7:15:20 AM  

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TIL there is a newspaper called Flag and Cross in the US. Wonderful. And that is pretty well what I would expect from something called Flag and Cross.
 
2021-07-21 7:20:04 AM  

2fardownthread: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: We had a thread going on this very thing down the main page. But we're talking about 12 cities affected by flooding from two rivers that converge, and three dams that failed. The last I looked (BBC World News) 200,000 people were evacuated. 11 million dollars in damage and climbing, including crops destroyed. The (now 16 (Reuters)) dead people are just the dead ones they've found, and I'm pretty sure those were all people who drowned in a subway that flooded. The city Zhengzhou has 10 million people and change, which is like if New York City suffered a similar catastrophe (8 million people and change).

This area got a year's worth of rain in three days, and according to Chinese weather forecasts, the rain is supposed to continue.

It's not looking too good.

It is super sad.

In about 2012 or so, there was very bad flooding over a long term in Thailand. As many Farkers might know, when you get pummeled by rains, you can keep the water held up in dams and hope that they stop, but if you go that route and guess wrong, you have to open the dams later during the rainy season and make things twice as bad OR you lose your dams and make things 10 times worse.

Dam management throughout Asia is getting to be extremely difficult. Without any precedent to support decisions, you pretty much have a guy flipping a coin to decide whether to destroy a city or not.

Lake Powell and Lake Mead, of course, will not have that problem, maybe ever again.

And just to riff on that, if those areas of the Powell and Mead watersheds got this much rain in this amount of time, the erosion would be cataclysmic. Flash flood conditions for days, with anyone at the mouth of a valley just inundated.

So be careful what you wish for and don't be jealous about the rain.


I was just thinking about that.  The whole Colorado River area is so low that people would welcome the rain, but that much hitting the dams that quickly (along with the sand, dead trees, etc) would be pretty terrible.

I should probably move out of the dry, highly flammable west...
 
2021-07-21 7:21:06 AM  

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2021-07-21 7:26:08 AM  

minorshan: I hate to be that person, but here I am.

Why the umbrella when you're wading up to your knees?


Keep your glasses dry so you can see where you're going?
 
2021-07-21 7:54:21 AM  
How's that cloud seeding working out?
 
2021-07-21 8:01:27 AM  

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TIL there is a newspaper called Flag and Cross in the US. Wonderful. And that is pretty well what I would expect from something called Flag and Cross.


Either someone has never heard of Sinclair Lewis, or they're using his book as an instruction manual.
 
2021-07-21 8:07:38 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: 2fardownthread: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: We had a thread going on this very thing down the main page. But we're talking about 12 cities affected by flooding from two rivers that converge, and three dams that failed. The last I looked (BBC World News) 200,000 people were evacuated. 11 million dollars in damage and climbing, including crops destroyed. The (now 16 (Reuters)) dead people are just the dead ones they've found, and I'm pretty sure those were all people who drowned in a subway that flooded. The city Zhengzhou has 10 million people and change, which is like if New York City suffered a similar catastrophe (8 million people and change).

This area got a year's worth of rain in three days, and according to Chinese weather forecasts, the rain is supposed to continue.

It's not looking too good.

It is super sad.

In about 2012 or so, there was very bad flooding over a long term in Thailand. As many Farkers might know, when you get pummeled by rains, you can keep the water held up in dams and hope that they stop, but if you go that route and guess wrong, you have to open the dams later during the rainy season and make things twice as bad OR you lose your dams and make things 10 times worse.

Dam management throughout Asia is getting to be extremely difficult. Without any precedent to support decisions, you pretty much have a guy flipping a coin to decide whether to destroy a city or not.

Lake Powell and Lake Mead, of course, will not have that problem, maybe ever again.

And just to riff on that, if those areas of the Powell and Mead watersheds got this much rain in this amount of time, the erosion would be cataclysmic. Flash flood conditions for days, with anyone at the mouth of a valley just inundated.

So be careful what you wish for and don't be jealous about the rain.

I was just thinking about that.  The whole Colorado River area is so low that people would welcome the rain, but that much hitting the dams that quickly (along with the sand, dead trees, etc) ...


The Colorado isn't fed by rain generally.  It's is/was fed by melting snow from the Rockies.
 
2021-07-21 8:18:38 AM  

OrionXVI: The Colorado isn't fed by rain generally. It's is/was fed by melting snow from the Rockies.


Typically, yes, but at this point they'd probably take whatever water they could get (at a reasonable rate, not all at once).
 
2021-07-21 8:22:43 AM  
Belgium in mourning, together with part of the Southern Netherlands, Western Germany, parts of Austria. Then there's Iran, India, and Zhengzhou China, all of them with unknown victim numbers.. That's what I was able to gather just from last day's reports.

Some parts of the world are suffering under deluges of water and other parts don't even seem to know about it.
 
2021-07-21 8:31:56 AM  
And fun fact about China : most people dont have insurance and if they do, they dont usually pay up. The government sometimes, gives you some money but its nothing compared to what you have lost... so usually, when a natural disaster hits your stuff, you lose everything.

Aint China grand?
 
2021-07-21 8:54:12 AM  

lifeslammer: This is what happens when you put party loyalty before everything else. A vast majority of the dams in china were built during Mao whem the people who knew how to do this right were being shipped off for "reeducation"

This is going to keep happening for a few decades


We can expect the same kind of results once the Republicans permanently take over the government.
 
2021-07-21 8:55:04 AM  

WalkingSedgwick: From TFA:

According to the authorities, the rainfall was the heaviest since record-keeping began 60 years ago, with the city seeing the equivalent of a year's average rainfall in just three days.

This has nothing to do with the low quality of Chinese construction. Nobody builds dams to withstand a year's worth of rainfall in a few days.

This is what climate apocalypse looks like.

Anyone who still thinks there is any kind of livable future more than a few decades ahead is deluding themselves.


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2021-07-21 8:56:56 AM  

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How long can you tread water?

\even rapists can be funny
 
2021-07-21 8:59:20 AM  

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Did it hurt when you suffered brain damage?
 
2021-07-21 9:10:25 AM  

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Did it hurt when you suffered brain damage?


And your mother dresses you funny!
 
2021-07-21 9:15:38 AM  

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2021-07-21 9:19:26 AM  
You binary people are so funny! I have about as much faith in Biden as I did in Trump. That would be zero.
 
2021-07-21 9:20:30 AM  

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The words "eldritch horror" spring to mind, unbidden.
 
2021-07-21 9:41:04 AM  

minorshan: I hate to be that person, but here I am.

Why the umbrella when you're wading up to your knees?


Keeps the downpour out of your eyes so you can actually negotiate the terrain.
 
2021-07-21 9:45:44 AM  

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The words "eldritch horror" spring to mind, unbidden.


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2021-07-21 10:03:10 AM  
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2021-07-21 10:24:39 AM  

lolmao500: And fun fact about China : most people dont have insurance and if they do, they dont usually pay up. The government sometimes, gives you some money but its nothing compared to what you have lost... so usually, when a natural disaster hits your stuff, you lose everything.

Aint China grand?


So you're saying it's Florida, except sometimes in China at least the government gives you something?
 
2021-07-21 10:46:26 AM  
Just a reminder that the deadliest industrial accident in history was a Chinese dam failure in 1975. The Banquio dam collapsed after heavy rains and killed maybe a hundred thousand people downstream. Maybe a quarter million. No one knows.

Bhopal killed maybe 15k. Chernobyl even less.

How many people have ever even heard of it?
 
2021-07-21 11:07:33 AM  

lincoln65: Just a reminder that the deadliest industrial accident in history was a Chinese dam failure in 1975. The Banquio dam collapsed after heavy rains and killed maybe a hundred thousand people downstream. Maybe a quarter million. No one knows.

Bhopal killed maybe 15k. Chernobyl even less.

How many people have ever even heard of it?


Of course we've heard of Chernoblyl.  There was a terrific mini series on HBO about it.  Graphite on the roof and stuff. Some memes.  It was super hard to miss.  Jeez.
 
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