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2021-07-20 2:52:48 PM  
F*ck em all and pass the whole thing thru reconciliation. Make sure every bridge and road built/repaired with the funds has signs saying "Thank you Democrats, as every Republican voted against this."
 
2021-07-20 3:25:20 PM  
Wow, who could have seen this coming?

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2021-07-20 4:52:05 PM  
Don't negotiate with terrorists
 
2021-07-20 5:05:27 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Don't negotiate with terrorists


That's actually supposed to be "NEVER negotiate with terrorists." But right now I think it should be "STOP negotiating with terrorists, they'll never give in OR respect you in the morning, you clods!"
 
2021-07-20 5:14:35 PM  
BuT tHe MoDeRaTeS mAdE uS!
 
2021-07-20 6:07:17 PM  
Good thing that Joe Biden assured us in the primaries that given his extensive experience in the Senate, that he's capable of working with Republicans to get legislation passed.
 
2021-07-20 6:07:32 PM  
It's adorable that we continue to give these GOP traitors a seat at the table at all.

/Adorable means stupid as farking hell, right?
 
2021-07-20 6:10:56 PM  
Anybody who ever treats the right like they're legitimately interested in compromise, bipartisanship, or simply working for the good of [country] while their opponents are in charge, is an idiot.

They never, ever debate in good faith.

They will never make compromises.

The political right is now a cult. It was not always but now it is.
 
2021-07-20 6:12:16 PM  
Sure would be nice not to have that super racist filibuster in the way.
 
2021-07-20 6:12:21 PM  

Walker: F*ck em all and pass the whole thing thru reconciliation. Make sure every bridge and road built/repaired with the funds has signs saying "Thank you Democrats, as every Republican voted against this."



That pretty much should have been the plan, even with the $1 Trillion bipartisan deal included.

It should also be every campaign ad for the midterms.
 
2021-07-20 6:14:49 PM  
Memo Washington: voters don't give a flying fark about bipartisanship. They want results.

Stop negotiating with people who don't act in good faith, pass the damn bill on a party line vote via reconcilation and focus on passing a voting rights bill and applying maximum pressure on those fools who think that the filibuster is still worth saving.

Yeah it may not be successful but for the love of God they can at least try to act like they give a damn
 
2021-07-20 6:15:31 PM  
Democrats already have the majority. Eliminate the filibuster. If elected Democrats are unwilling to do so, discipline the party members who oppose their own party. If elected Democrats are unwilling to do so, oust the current Democrats, elect new Democrats, or elect an actual leftist party, and go left.

Democrats only care about being re-elected -- not doing their jobs. Make them afraid of losing their jobs, and make them caucus with more lefties to keep power.

Problem solved.
 
2021-07-20 6:17:29 PM  
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2021-07-20 6:18:07 PM  
It's disappointing as fark to see Biden, Pelosi and Schumer seeming to fall for this shiat again and again. They appear to have learned absolutely nothing from the Obama years.

Republicans do not negotiate in good faith, because their entire ideology is opposed to negotiation. Their ideology says that any politician who isn't a diehard Republican is illegitimate, any ideas that go against die-hard conservatism are Communism and thus evil, and that negotiation is weakness. You can't farking negotiate with that, and they've proven it time and time and time and time again.

If the Democrats don't get their shiat together, get Manchin and Sinema to act like they're members of the farking party, and pass some SERIOUS legislation (particularly voting protections), the GQP has a huge chance of taking Congress in 2022, and then the White House in '24. They'll then dig themselves in to the point where only a revolution can remove them from power, because that's how farking fascists work.
 
2021-07-20 6:18:56 PM  

Potter82: Memo Washington: voters don't give a flying fark about bipartisanship. They want results.


Yep. Politics has always been about redistribution and deliverables, and the GOP is the only party that isn't totally confused by that simple concept.
 
2021-07-20 6:19:43 PM  

LordJiro: It's disappointing as fark to see Biden, Pelosi and Schumer seeming to fall for this shiat again and again. They appear to have learned absolutely nothing from the Obama years.


I give them more credit.  I don't think they're stupid.

I think they're complicit.
 
2021-07-20 6:20:54 PM  

LordJiro: It's disappointing as fark to see Biden, Pelosi and Schumer seeming to fall for this shiat again and again. They appear to have learned absolutely nothing from the Obama years.

Republicans do not negotiate in good faith, because their entire ideology is opposed to negotiation. Their ideology says that any politician who isn't a diehard Republican is illegitimate, any ideas that go against die-hard conservatism are Communism and thus evil, and that negotiation is weakness. You can't farking negotiate with that, and they've proven it time and time and time and time again.

If the Democrats don't get their shiat together, get Manchin and Sinema to act like they're members of the farking party, and pass some SERIOUS legislation (particularly voting protections), the GQP has a huge chance of taking Congress in 2022, and then the White House in '24. They'll then dig themselves in to the point where only a revolution can remove them from power, because that's how farking fascists work.


how DARE you

Pelosi and Schumer are playing 11-D chess and you'll kiss their rings like the lowly serfs you are or else you're a misogynist who wants Trump to get 4 more years.
 
2021-07-20 6:21:44 PM  
The Lucy analogy doesn't really work here but whatever
 
2021-07-20 6:22:06 PM  

Weatherkiss: Good thing that Joe Biden assured us in the primaries that given his extensive experience in the Senate, that he's capable of working with Republicans to get legislation passed.


" I think he's learned his lesson."
Heard that somewhere...
 
2021-07-20 6:22:23 PM  
Nothing will fundamentally change (if you're rich).  Status Quo Joe.
 
2021-07-20 6:23:41 PM  

nmrsnr: Wow, who could have seen this coming?

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2021-07-20 6:24:34 PM  
Can we get a Photoshop contest going to make a new Republican Seal now that they not only want to lie, cheat, steal - but also fly the Stars and Bars in the Capitol, more lies, cheat on taxes, more election steals, pardons for political criminals, tax breaks for billionaires, deny Covid, suppress minority voters, insider trading, profit and grift off the Government, give Covid to Secret Service Agents, harass interns, pussygrab, declare martial law, shoot antifa protestors, give the American Flag Herpes, and jizz on an up-side down bible and lie some more???  Also call everyone else Socialists, Commies, and Traitors!!!
 
2021-07-20 6:24:56 PM  

Weatherkiss: Good thing that Joe Biden assured us in the primaries that given his extensive experience in the Senate, that he's capable of working with Republicans to get legislation passed.


BERNIE LOST
GET OVER IT
 
2021-07-20 6:25:19 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Democrats already have the majority. Eliminate the filibuster. If elected Democrats are unwilling to do so, discipline the party members who oppose their own party. If elected Democrats are unwilling to do so, oust the current Democrats, elect new Democrats, or elect an actual leftist party, and go left.

Democrats only care about being re-elected -- not doing their jobs. Make them afraid of losing their jobs, and make them caucus with more lefties to keep power.

Problem solved.


That's how McCarthy handled his problem with Liz. Not sure if any smoke will appear on the horizon...
 
2021-07-20 6:25:23 PM  
I feel like the reconciliation bill should go out of its way to screw over Republicans by doing things like removing federal subsidy to red state industries, and then offer a bipartisan bill afterwards and allow rollback of some of those changes as a means of bringing Republicans to the table. Don't pass the bipartisan bill afterwards, the removal of subsidy becomes law and your state's industry is hosed.
 
2021-07-20 6:25:42 PM  
It would be kind of interesting to see the Democrats pass a massive Infrastructure bill via reconciliation.

That thread would only have about 12 people in it because all of the whiny-ass titty babies wouldn't show their faces.
 
2021-07-20 6:28:53 PM  

LordJiro: It's disappointing as fark to see Biden, Pelosi and Schumer seeming to fall for this shiat again and again. They appear to have learned absolutely nothing from the Obama years.


They aren't falling for this shiat again. It's why Schumer has a vote scheduled for tomorrow. It's why there were ALWAYS two bills. The maybe bipartisan one and the Dem-only reconcialiation one. This is all about negotiations *within* the Dem caucus, and getting a sprinkling of bipartisan pixie dust on things.

If this all fails (and it might! 50-50 at best, IMO) it won't be on the leadership though. Maybe they made mistakes, but no one is perfect. This will ultimately be on Manchin and/or Sinema. Manchin might vote no if Sinema does, but he won't torpedo this all by himself. That's not his MO.
 
2021-07-20 6:28:58 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Democrats already have the majority. Eliminate the filibuster. If elected Democrats are unwilling to do so, discipline the party members who oppose their own party. If elected Democrats are unwilling to do so, oust the current Democrats, elect new Democrats, or elect an actual leftist party, and go left.

Democrats only care about being re-elected -- not doing their jobs. Make them afraid of losing their jobs, and make them caucus with more lefties to keep power.

Problem solved.


Interesting that you blame the Democratic party as a whole, instead of the two morons holding them back.  Wait, not interesting... what's the word I'm looking for...oh yeah, bullshiat, that's the word.
 
2021-07-20 6:29:59 PM  

Xetal: I feel like the reconciliation bill should go out of its way to screw over Republicans by doing things like removing federal subsidy to red state industries, and then offer a bipartisan bill afterwards and allow rollback of some of those changes as a means of bringing Republicans to the table. Don't pass the bipartisan bill afterwards, the removal of subsidy becomes law and your state's industry is hosed.


Let's ask Mitch. Jeez
 
2021-07-20 6:29:59 PM  

Rogue Surf: Can we get a Photoshop contest going to make a new Republican Seal now that they not only want to lie, cheat, steal - but also fly the Stars and Bars in the Capitol, more lies, cheat on taxes, more election steals, pardons for political criminals, tax breaks for billionaires, deny Covid, suppress minority voters, insider trading, profit and grift off the Government, give Covid to Secret Service Agents, harass interns, pussygrab, declare martial law, shoot antifa protestors, give the American Flag Herpes, and jizz on an up-side down bible and lie some more???  Also call everyone else Socialists, Commies, and Traitors!!!


This logo already exists.

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2021-07-20 6:32:52 PM  
Don't worry. Schumer is on the case!  We'll
see an all Democratic Reconciliation bill sometime after August recess.  Maybe by Halloween?  Or Thanksgiving?  Or Christmas?

No hurry!  Not like his majority is hanging on by the thinnest of threads at the moment that could be gone if some sort of calamity should befall one of the 10 or so Democratic Senators with GOP Governors who can pick their replacements. /s
 
2021-07-20 6:32:53 PM  
Really need to not aim for the ball when doing something like this. Aim for the one holding it.
 
2021-07-20 6:34:19 PM  

JammerJim: LordJiro: It's disappointing as fark to see Biden, Pelosi and Schumer seeming to fall for this shiat again and again. They appear to have learned absolutely nothing from the Obama years.

They aren't falling for this shiat again. It's why Schumer has a vote scheduled for tomorrow. It's why there were ALWAYS two bills. The maybe bipartisan one and the Dem-only reconcialiation one. This is all about negotiations *within* the Dem caucus, and getting a sprinkling of bipartisan pixie dust on things.

If this all fails (and it might! 50-50 at best, IMO) it won't be on the leadership though. Maybe they made mistakes, but no one is perfect. This will ultimately be on Manchin and/or Sinema. Manchin might vote no if Sinema does, but he won't torpedo this all by himself. That's not his MO.


Yup, Democratic leadership I legitimately doing the best they can with the hand they were dealt.  Our best solution is to overwhelm the Republicans with votes for Democrats next year...
 
2021-07-20 6:34:38 PM  
This is where I'm at:

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The excuse the Republicans will use for not voting for it will be the payfors.

And they will do it with a straight face as if they didn't add $3T to the debt and give it away to the already wealthy the last time they had the wheel.
 
2021-07-20 6:37:49 PM  
I can't in good conscience support a bill that makes billionaires pay their share along with the working class. Funding the IRS is a no go. Only poor people pay taxes.
 
2021-07-20 6:39:26 PM  
Okay Joe manchin. Have you now learned what happens when you fark a stranger in the ass?

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2021-07-20 6:41:28 PM  
Meanwhile, in make believe goody goody land:

top republican - gee wiz, the bridges are crumbling and the situation is far worse than anyone knows, but if i vote for this infrastructure bill, i'll get primaried. heck, if i negotiate it down by half and vote for it, i'll still get primaried and half isnt enough to fix things.

other republican - gosh darn, you're right. well, just kick and scream and holler and refuse to have anything to do with it, then they'l go the reconcilliation route and it will be done.
 
2021-07-20 6:47:49 PM  
Can't Biden just arrest them and lock them in the Texas Capitol.
 
2021-07-20 6:47:55 PM  
They have to make a real good faith effort to pass the bipartisan bill or Manchin will vote no on the partisan bill and nothing will pass.  If it looks like they are really, really trying, but the Republicans are just being assholes, then Manchin will probably vote on the partisan bill.  It is also possible to turn the bipartisan bill into a partisan bill so that we don't lose that spending (and still pass both) if the Republicans balk.
 
2021-07-20 6:49:35 PM  
Pull the money out of the military budget the same way Trump did. National highways are specced so they can be used as landing strips. Hardening bridges and dams against terrorist attacks. Creating more broadband access improves redundancy of internet so it would be harder to take down.
 
2021-07-20 6:51:30 PM  
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2021-07-20 6:53:41 PM  

LordJiro: It's disappointing as fark to see Biden, Pelosi and Schumer seeming to fall for this shiat again and again. They appear to have learned absolutely nothing from the Obama years.

Republicans do not negotiate in good faith, because their entire ideology is opposed to negotiation. Their ideology says that any politician who isn't a diehard Republican is illegitimate, any ideas that go against die-hard conservatism are Communism and thus evil, and that negotiation is weakness. You can't farking negotiate with that, and they've proven it time and time and time and time again.

If the Democrats don't get their shiat together, get Manchin and Sinema to act like they're members of the farking party, and pass some SERIOUS legislation (particularly voting protections), the GQP has a huge chance of taking Congress in 2022, and then the White House in '24. They'll then dig themselves in to the point where only a revolution can remove them from power, because that's how farking fascists work.


Pelosi needs to go, she's too old.  I'd like to see AOC as speaker.  As long as it's somebody young, and who has no illusions about what scumbag lying bastards the Republicans are.
 
2021-07-20 6:57:30 PM  

Geotpf: They have to make a real good faith effort to pass the bipartisan bill or Manchin will vote no on the partisan bill and nothing will pass.  If it looks like they are really, really trying, but the Republicans are just being assholes, then Manchin will probably vote on the partisan bill.  It is also possible to turn the bipartisan bill into a partisan bill so that we don't lose that spending (and still pass both) if the Republicans balk.


Look and laugh at the guy who thinks Manchin is acting in good faith and may do what is right.

The guy who voted for all of Trumps picks is suddenly going to see how a democratic agenda may be good because those darn Republicans didn't act in good faith this time.  (It is so hard to keep a straight face while typing that, I don't know how you do it.)
 
2021-07-20 6:57:46 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: This is where I'm at:

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The excuse the Republicans will use for not voting for it will be the payfors.

And they will do it with a straight face as if they didn't add $3T to the debt and give it away to the already wealthy the last time they had the wheel.


They never let go of the wheel. McConnell's riding shotgun, and Manchin has been leaning over the biatch seat keeping one hand on the wheel and the other hand on McConnell's ball sack.
 
2021-07-20 7:01:04 PM  

Geotpf: They have to make a real good faith effort to pass the bipartisan bill or Manchin will vote no on the partisan bill and nothing will pass.  If it looks like they are really, really trying, but the Republicans are just being assholes, then Manchin will probably vote on the partisan bill.  It is also possible to turn the bipartisan bill into a partisan bill so that we don't lose that spending (and still pass both) if the Republicans balk.


Not only that, if you read really closely, you realize that this is Republicans getting angry that they're not being able to pull the ball away at the last second.

Susan Collins is whining that they're adhering to the schedule that Majority Leader Schumer laid out a month ago, instead of taking delay after delay. "Charlie Brown" Schumer, in short, has set up the football on a tee, and tied "Lucy's" hands behind her back so that she has no ability to pull it away.

This is putting those "moderate" Republicans in a bind because they would really like to stop this extremely popular bill without being identified as the people who stopped it.

But of course, FARK is bound and determined to present the exact opposite of what's really going on as the truth. Anything to say "Dems are bad", it seems.
 
2021-07-20 7:03:48 PM  

Scruffynerf: Nothing will fundamentally change (if you're rich).  Status Quo Joe.


I don't defend Biden all that often, but here, context matters. He wasn't saying, "Don't worry, rich people, ain't nothin' gonna happen." What he was saying was, "Yeah, you're gonna pay more taxes, but it's going to have no effect on your actual lives." The point was that the wealthy have lots to give without feeling any change from doing so.
 
2021-07-20 7:04:53 PM  

Xetal: I feel like the reconciliation bill should go out of its way to screw over Republicans by doing things like removing federal subsidy to red state industries, and then offer a bipartisan bill afterwards and allow rollback of some of those changes as a means of bringing Republicans to the table. Don't pass the bipartisan bill afterwards, the removal of subsidy becomes law and your state's industry is hosed.


This. Is it illegal to put that kind of condition into a bill? Because lawmakers absolutely should not get to benefit from bills they voted against. That feels like a no-brainer to me.
 
2021-07-20 7:10:39 PM  

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Look, killing the filibuster is literally impossible. It cannot be done, because Sinema and Manchin are impenetrable mech-senators with no weaknesses, no wants, and no liabilities. There is literally nothing the entirety of the Democratic Party, with its access to billions of dollars, petabytes of intelligence and statistics, thousands of staffers and advisors, can do. So give it up and vote harder next time. Unless voters give the Democrats a filibuster-proof majority, it's their fault nothing can get done. It's time for progressives to grow up and join the real world, where moderates know how politics really work.
 
2021-07-20 7:11:48 PM  

austerity101: Xetal: I feel like the reconciliation bill should go out of its way to screw over Republicans by doing things like removing federal subsidy to red state industries, and then offer a bipartisan bill afterwards and allow rollback of some of those changes as a means of bringing Republicans to the table. Don't pass the bipartisan bill afterwards, the removal of subsidy becomes law and your state's industry is hosed.

This. Is it illegal to put that kind of condition into a bill? Because lawmakers absolutely should not get to benefit from bills they voted against. That feels like a no-brainer to me.


Not only that but because most people hate Wall Street and vote against Democrats because of their allegiance to them. That is why Hillary's speeches were so huge. Real democratic policy including M4A, a $15 minimum wage and legalization of marijuana are huge in red states yet they will not vote for Democrats because they are complicit and dishonest.

Doing what Democrats promise can turn these people around in states like Florida that voted for a $15 minimum wage but will never vote for a Corporate Democrat. Seeking to hurt these people only ensures more conservatives staying in power so it is a dumb idea.
 
2021-07-20 7:14:50 PM  

Geotpf: They have to make a real good faith effort to pass the bipartisan bill or Manchin will vote no on the partisan bill and nothing will pass.  If it looks like they are really, really trying, but the Republicans are just being assholes, then Manchin will probably vote on the partisan bill.  It is also possible to turn the bipartisan bill into a partisan bill so that we don't lose that spending (and still pass both) if the Republicans balk.


The hand is quicker than the eye...step right up.
 
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