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(Colorado Rules)   Bowing to the powerful jet ski lobby, Colorado River managers decide to keep Lake Powell full by draining 3 other lakes with fewer Spring Break reservations   (coloradosun.com) divider line
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2021-07-20 12:09:25 PM  
I drove by Blue Mesa about three weeks ago and it looked like hell.  But people were still managing to get boats out on it.
 
2021-07-20 12:21:41 PM  
We could fix this, but the oil execs would be sad :(
 
2021-07-20 12:23:26 PM  
Problem solved!
 
2021-07-20 12:23:37 PM  
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2021-07-20 12:24:04 PM  
Is this the best move?  Couldn't they buy electricity from other plants and save the water for drinking and crop irrigation?
 
2021-07-20 12:24:41 PM  
You can't be sad when you're on a jet ski.
 
2021-07-20 12:25:14 PM  
Pretty sure the TVA will have something to say about this.
 
2021-07-20 12:25:29 PM  
Sadly, this isn't going to have the intended effect unless there is also an increase in precipitation between August and October.
 
2021-07-20 12:27:07 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Is this the best move?  Couldn't they buy electricity from other plants and save the water for drinking and crop irrigation?


Plants produce oxygen not electricity.
 
2021-07-20 12:28:04 PM  
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2021-07-20 12:28:45 PM  

cowgirl toffee: [i1.wp.com image 552x690]


Is it bad that something like that looks way more fun to ride than a jet ski to me?
 
2021-07-20 12:29:27 PM  
Just to be clear, they're not keeping Powell full.  They're keeping Powell from being unable to generate electricity.  It's far below full and draining those reservoirs completely wouldn't make Powell full
 
2021-07-20 12:29:34 PM  

Fart And Smunny: cowgirl toffee: [i1.wp.com image 552x690]

Is it bad that something like that looks way more fun to ride than a jet ski to me?


I want to know if it can pop a wheelie!  :D
 
2021-07-20 12:30:03 PM  
You people need to start using your heads like those smart, wealthy guys like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. Just buy more water!
 
2021-07-20 12:31:09 PM  

Fart And Smunny: Pretty sure the TVA will have something to say about this.


Depends if this is supposed to be part of the sacred timeline or not.
 
2021-07-20 12:33:09 PM  
"Lake Powell for 2021 dropped by the equivalent of 10 Lake Dillons..."

Finally, a volume equivalent I can understand.
 
2021-07-20 12:35:27 PM  

Fart And Smunny: cowgirl toffee: [i1.wp.com image 552x690]

Is it bad that something like that looks way more fun to ride than a jet ski to me?


I think it will be a lot more fun if you remove the seat first.
 
2021-07-20 12:37:13 PM  

UltimaCS: We could fix this, but the oil execs would be sad :(


you will fix a century of terrible resource management and water rights as well as a decades long drought by doing something with oil execs?
 
2021-07-20 12:38:59 PM  
I suggest that anyone with current Spring Break reservations take a closer look at the calendar.
 
2021-07-20 12:39:45 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Is this the best move?  Couldn't they buy electricity from other plants and save the water for drinking and crop irrigation?


buy it from where?  the far left's demands for green energy, of which hydro is seen as for some stupid reason, has painted the western US into a bit of a corner.
 
2021-07-20 12:40:42 PM  

UltimaCS: We could fix this, but the oil execs would be sad :(


oil execs would be sad shutting down a hydro plant?
 
2021-07-20 12:40:46 PM  

UltimaCS: We could fix this, but the oil execs would be sad :(


The US could stop all fossil fuel usage tomorrow and nothing will change. We just aren't that important any more.
 
2021-07-20 12:42:14 PM  
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2021-07-20 12:44:24 PM  
This is the water equivalent to kiting cheques.
 
2021-07-20 12:44:26 PM  

cowgirl toffee: Fart And Smunny: cowgirl toffee: [i1.wp.com image 552x690]

Is it bad that something like that looks way more fun to ride than a jet ski to me?

I want to know if it can pop a wheelie!  :D


Sure, same way as usual, I would think. It would just be harder to balance, since all the weight is on the floating styrofoam blocks instead of the bike wheel.
 
2021-07-20 12:44:33 PM  
This is the Antelope Point launch ramp at Lake Powell, 2-3 years ago:
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And last month:

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Spring runoff is done. There's really no major inflow to speak of coming for several months. Most of the ramps are closed.
 
2021-07-20 12:45:21 PM  

asciibaron: Glorious Golden Ass: Is this the best move?  Couldn't they buy electricity from other plants and save the water for drinking and crop irrigation?

buy it from where?  the far left's demands for green energy, of which hydro is seen as for some stupid reason, has painted the western US into a bit of a corner.


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2021-07-20 12:46:00 PM  
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2021-07-20 12:48:11 PM  
Then they ask for federal help when the drought hits. 🖕🖕
 
2021-07-20 12:50:31 PM  

cowgirl toffee: [i.pinimg.com image 850x565]


Long time, no see!  :)
 
2021-07-20 12:51:20 PM  

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A Paddle Ski?
 
2021-07-20 12:51:39 PM  
On the plus side gives people chance to clean up all the crap thats been dumped in over the years.
 
2021-07-20 12:53:32 PM  
Better start building some nuke plants. Ones that provide cooling by magic and not water.

/the southwest is pretty much screwed

//Utah ... screwed also. At least one town is having water trucked in already
 
2021-07-20 12:55:12 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Then they ask for federal help when the drought hits. 🖕🖕


Yes because that happens way more often than other states asking for Federal help after a catastrophic flood(Midwest and South, yearly) or catastrophic blizzard, tornado, hurricane, derecho, etc(Northeast, Midatlantic, Midwest, and South, every 1-5 years).

Go back to your shanty
 
2021-07-20 12:56:44 PM  

GardenWeasel: asciibaron: Glorious Golden Ass: Is this the best move?  Couldn't they buy electricity from other plants and save the water for drinking and crop irrigation?

buy it from where?  the far left's demands for green energy, of which hydro is seen as for some stupid reason, has painted the western US into a bit of a corner.

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don't blame me for factual statements.  nuclear is the only way to unfark ourselves.
 
2021-07-20 12:59:12 PM  

powhound: Better start building some nuke plants. Ones that provide cooling by magic and not water.

/the southwest is pretty much screwed


are you saying living in a desert isn't a good idea?
 
2021-07-20 1:02:21 PM  

madgonad: UltimaCS: We could fix this, but the oil execs would be sad :(

The US could stop all fossil fuel usage tomorrow and nothing will change. We just aren't that important any more.


The US alone is 14% of global emissions, so I think you've got a very funny definition of "nothing changing." If you suddenly lost 14% of the money in your bank account, I'm sure you'd notice.

And if the US actually built out solar and wind and energy storage at the level necessary to support our current wasteful ways it would change the energy landscape drastically, create new technology and new factories, and this would affect every country in the world. Like if GM had not sued California and instead just kept making the EV1, it could probably have been the world's no1 electric automaker.

Getting rid of the oil execs would not solve it all but it's a necessary first step, they have to be rendered powerless to determine public policy if we want to have a hope of dealing with any of this shiat. For example, it turns out natural gas is dirtier than coal for greenhouse gas emissions once you account for methane leaks (it would actually be cleaner if leaks were under 2.5%).
 
2021-07-20 1:03:26 PM  

asciibaron: Glorious Golden Ass: Is this the best move?  Couldn't they buy electricity from other plants and save the water for drinking and crop irrigation?

buy it from where?  the far left's demands for green energy, of which hydro is seen as for some stupid reason, has painted the western US into a bit of a corner.


If only the west had a giant ball of radiation that one could be capturing energy from. Something the "left" has been in favor of for nearly 3 decades.

/ nevermind most of these dams were built in the 1930s before climate change was widely recognized
// And maybe, if we hadn't been throwing liquified dinosaurs into the atmosphere at an alarming rate, we wouldn't have a drought problem in the first place.
 
2021-07-20 1:04:40 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: You can't be sad when you're on a jet ski.


In much the same way as morons are always happy, being mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence.
 
2021-07-20 1:06:29 PM  
Do they just drain the lake to produce power and that's it?

Here in Switzerland we drain the lakes during the day to produce power and we sell the electricity to Germany and France at a peak premium. Then at night we buy nuke electricity from France for practically free and pump the water back up into the mountains and then repeat the process during the day.

It's been going great until the floods and we could no longer release water into the rivers... more storms coming this weekend.
 
2021-07-20 1:07:23 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: cowgirl toffee: [i.pinimg.com image 850x565]

Long time, no see!  :)


<3
 
2021-07-20 1:11:53 PM  
I have a few friends with houses on a lake or river.
JetSkis have ruined everything around them.
 
2021-07-20 1:13:05 PM  

asciibaron: powhound: Better start building some nuke plants. Ones that provide cooling by magic and not water.

/the southwest is pretty much screwed

are you saying living in a desert isn't a good idea?


It can be if managed correctly. Avoid overpopulation and manage resources wisely.

Mormons living in a desert? Yeah that's a bad idea.
 
2021-07-20 1:17:06 PM  

comrade: Do they just drain the lake to produce power and that's it?

Here in Switzerland we drain the lakes during the day to produce power and we sell the electricity to Germany and France at a peak premium. Then at night we buy nuke electricity from France for practically free and pump the water back up into the mountains and then repeat the process during the day.

It's been going great until the floods and we could no longer release water into the rivers... more storms coming this weekend.


Water's gotta go downstream because of the cities and the farmers. The Colorado River Compact of 1922 governs who gets what. And surprise, surprise, they were shortsighted and allocated more water than actually exists in the river.
 
2021-07-20 1:26:12 PM  

powhound: Better start building some nuke plants. Ones that provide cooling by magic and not water.

/the southwest is pretty much screwed

//Utah ... screwed also. At least one town is having water trucked in already


Or put solar panels of 300,000 houses
 
2021-07-20 1:28:37 PM  

bhcompy: Just to be clear, they're not keeping Powell full.  They're keeping Powell from being unable to generate electricity.  It's far below full and draining those reservoirs completely wouldn't make Powell full


Looking forward 5 years to a hoover dam with no purpose but tourism
 
2021-07-20 1:30:45 PM  

adamatari: madgonad: UltimaCS: We could fix this, but the oil execs would be sad :(

The US could stop all fossil fuel usage tomorrow and nothing will change. We just aren't that important any more.

The US alone is 14% of global emissions, so I think you've got a very funny definition of "nothing changing." If you suddenly lost 14% of the money in your bank account, I'm sure you'd notice.

And if the US actually built out solar and wind and energy storage at the level necessary to support our current wasteful ways it would change the energy landscape drastically, create new technology and new factories, and this would affect every country in the world. Like if GM had not sued California and instead just kept making the EV1, it could probably have been the world's no1 electric automaker.

Getting rid of the oil execs would not solve it all but it's a necessary first step, they have to be rendered powerless to determine public policy if we want to have a hope of dealing with any of this shiat. For example, it turns out natural gas is dirtier than coal for greenhouse gas emissions once you account for methane leaks (it would actually be cleaner if leaks were under 2.5%).


And with that last sentence you showed how little you actually know about the science.

Atmospheric methane (gas leaks, cow farts...) are converted right back into CO2 and water within 3-5 years. While methane is far more insulative in the atmosphere it only stays there for a scant few years. Contrast that with previously entombed sources of carbon (petroleum, natural gas, and coal) that are combusted/burned to form CO2. That new atmospheric carbon is added to the carbon cycle and it will go from atmospheric gas to plant matter to herbivore tissue to rotting material and back to atmospheric CO2. Round and round. It takes FOREVER to get carbon out of the cycle. Even in forests it only remains in limbo for decades. The only way to get carbon OUT of the cycle is through acidification in water followed by the very slow process of mineralization as new layers of limestone are formed on the ocean floor.

If you want to have an impact on the ever growing levels of insulative CO2 it is going to require a global effort. The US is at 14% of emissions right now, but we have been shrinking in share for decades now. China opens dozens of new coal plants every year. The US will probably never build another one.
 
2021-07-20 1:31:55 PM  

bhcompy: Ragin' Asian: Then they ask for federal help when the drought hits. 🖕🖕

Yes because that happens way more often than other states asking for Federal help after a catastrophic flood(Midwest and South, yearly) or catastrophic blizzard, tornado, hurricane, derecho, etc(Northeast, Midatlantic, Midwest, and South, every 1-5 years).

Go back to your shanty


Those were acts of nature. This is deliberately draining water reserves for asinine reasons.
 
2021-07-20 1:32:46 PM  

powhound: Better start building some nuke plants. Ones that provide cooling by magic and not water.

/the southwest is pretty much screwed

//Utah ... screwed also. At least one town is having water trucked in already


We do have the technology to build a nuclear plant that does not need water for cooling.
There are plenty of coal plants that use Air Cooled Condensers.

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2021-07-20 1:33:27 PM  

Ragin' Asian: bhcompy: Ragin' Asian: Then they ask for federal help when the drought hits. 🖕🖕

Yes because that happens way more often than other states asking for Federal help after a catastrophic flood(Midwest and South, yearly) or catastrophic blizzard, tornado, hurricane, derecho, etc(Northeast, Midatlantic, Midwest, and South, every 1-5 years).

Go back to your shanty

Those were acts of nature. This is deliberately draining water reserves for asinine reasons.


Drought is an act of nature
 
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