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(Slate)   GQP: We're already the party that supports anti-intellectualism, racism, white nationalism, grievance politics, misogyny, domestic terrorism, global warming, and rampant conspiracy theories. Why not add tax evasion to our platform, too?   (slate.com) divider line
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2021-07-20 8:18:33 AM  
I thought that was a given?
 
2021-07-20 8:19:41 AM  
It's not tax evasion, it's theft avoision.
 
2021-07-20 8:47:08 AM  
They've always been tax cheats.
 
2021-07-20 8:52:52 AM  
You forgot pedophilia.
 
2021-07-20 9:21:34 AM  
Where the f*ck do you think they get all their money from? Instead of roads and bridges, we get Republican politicians! Woo hoo!
 
2021-07-20 10:00:08 AM  
 
2021-07-20 10:28:49 AM  
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2021-07-20 10:29:41 AM  
It worked so well for Greece in recent years.
 
2021-07-20 10:29:49 AM  
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2021-07-20 10:30:27 AM  
Isn't that the national pastime?  I mean, second to shooting up schools, of course.
 
2021-07-20 10:31:00 AM  
Tax evasion has always been a Republican thing.
 
2021-07-20 10:31:50 AM  
Sounds like we need to pass a package without the boosted IRS funding, and then have Biden whip out a pen as he signs it and also sign an executive order transferring funds from the DoD to the IRS to support defense by cracking down on criminals threatening our national sovereignty by using tax shelters abroad.. oh and if they happen to find other tax evasion in those audits, that's just a bonus. Who suddenly setting a new precedent and building the "wall" by EO doesn't seem like a good idea.
 
2021-07-20 10:33:08 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Tax evasion has always been a Republican thing.


It's the basis for their coalition.
 
2021-07-20 10:35:28 AM  
Repubs defunded the Tax Police in ~2012. We're missing out on ~$1 TTTTTTTTrillion a year.
 
2021-07-20 10:35:59 AM  
What do you mean "add"

It's always been a part of right wing brain disease. Take and take from America, then cry "taxation is theft" in January.
 
2021-07-20 10:37:37 AM  
Didn't Giuliani and other Repubs openly state how clever it was that Trump used all those "loopholes" to avoid paying taxes years ago? They don't give a shiat, they openly applaud using every method possible, including blatant tax evasion, to avoid paying taxes.
 
2021-07-20 10:39:29 AM  
Afluenza
 
2021-07-20 10:40:07 AM  
Republicanism is a drive to become the worst that humanity can possibly be.
 
2021-07-20 10:40:15 AM  
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2021-07-20 10:42:33 AM  
Pickpockets and shoplifters contribute to the economy, too, in their own way.  Let's decriminalize those.
 
2021-07-20 10:42:33 AM  
Add?
 
2021-07-20 10:43:58 AM  
For people who tend to identify as Christian, they also have a pretty overwhelming tendency to ignore all the things that Christ said.

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2021-07-20 10:46:18 AM  

keldaria: Sounds like we need to pass a package without the boosted IRS funding, and then have Biden whip out a pen as he signs it and also sign an executive order transferring funds from the DoD to the IRS to support defense by cracking down on criminals threatening our national sovereignty by using tax shelters abroad.. oh and if they happen to find other tax evasion in those audits, that's just a bonus. Who suddenly setting a new precedent and building the "wall" by EO doesn't seem like a good idea.


Um, a President can't do that.
 
2021-07-20 10:46:45 AM  
Republicans: Fiscal responsibility!

Democrats: Okay. More funding for the IRS will pay for itself many times over as they get more of the money that taxpayers are legally required to pay but aren't.

Republicans: Nooooooooooo!

One might start thinking Republican politicians are wealthy tax cheats funded by wealthy tax cheats.
 
2021-07-20 10:47:53 AM  

fiddlehead: Didn't Giuliani and other Repubs openly state how clever it was that Trump used all those "loopholes" to avoid paying taxes years ago? They don't give a shiat, they openly applaud using every method possible, including blatant tax evasion, to avoid paying taxes.


It's worth noting that using legal tax avoidance strategies is perfectly fine and even expected.

/the key word there is "legal"
 
2021-07-20 10:49:06 AM  

Virtually_Human: You forgot pedophilia.


Came here to say this.
 
2021-07-20 10:49:23 AM  
I just never thought I'd see a day where one of the two parties that make up American Democracy would come to represent loudly, and without shame, the worst of America.
 
2021-07-20 10:50:03 AM  

ElPrimitivo: For people who tend to identify as Christian, they also have a pretty overwhelming tendency to ignore all the things that Christ said.

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Picking and choosing lines out of their Bronze Age goat herder book is strictly on brand for them.
 
2021-07-20 10:50:07 AM  
Geotpf: keldaria: Sounds like we need to pass a package without the boosted IRS funding, and then have Biden whip out a pen as he signs it and also sign an executive order transferring funds from the DoD to the IRS to support defense by cracking down on criminals threatening our national sovereignty by using tax shelters abroad.. oh and if they happen to find other tax evasion in those audits, that's just a bonus. Who suddenly setting a new precedent and building the "wall" by EO doesn't seem like a good idea.

Um, a DemocratPresident can't do that.

FTFY
 
2021-07-20 10:51:20 AM  
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2021-07-20 10:52:44 AM  
The transition from being the "lower taxes" party because they haven't learned anything since middle school to being pro-tax evasion is pretty reasonable
 
2021-07-20 10:54:44 AM  

Geotpf: keldaria: Sounds like we need to pass a package without the boosted IRS funding, and then have Biden whip out a pen as he signs it and also sign an executive order transferring funds from the DoD to the IRS to support defense by cracking down on criminals threatening our national sovereignty by using tax shelters abroad.. oh and if they happen to find other tax evasion in those audits, that's just a bonus. Who suddenly setting a new precedent and building the "wall" by EO doesn't seem like a good idea.

Um, a President can't do that.


Can't redirect funds from DoD to fund national security initiatives?

According to SCOTUS, that is perfectly legal and within the president's power.
 
2021-07-20 10:55:06 AM  

RasIanI: I just never thought I'd see a day where one of the two parties that make up American Democracy would come to represent loudly, and without shame, the worst of America.


Did you come here directly from 1970?
 
2021-07-20 11:00:06 AM  

shpritz: KarmicDisaster: Tax evasion has always been a Republican thing.

It's the basis for their coalition.


Yep. Big money donors get low taxes and then they can pay for Fox and OANN to keep the plebs in line with outrage about woke culture.
 
2021-07-20 11:12:01 AM  

keldaria: Sounds like we need to pass a package without the boosted IRS funding, and then have Biden whip out a pen as he signs it and also sign an executive order transferring funds from the DoD to the IRS to support defense by cracking down on criminals threatening our national sovereignty by using tax shelters abroad.. oh and if they happen to find other tax evasion in those audits, that's just a bonus. Who suddenly setting a new precedent and building the "wall" by EO doesn't seem like a good idea.


Why not just have the Feds freeze every international corporations assets until they go through a vigorous audit to show they are above board?
...just do it in one swell poop.
 
2021-07-20 11:15:33 AM  

hubiestubert: I thought that was a given?


This.

Tax evasion was on their platform well before a lot of the other stuff.
 
2021-07-20 11:21:59 AM  
"Let's cut our ability to generate revenue, and not collect what little revenue we can generate" sounds like a winning plan for financial solvency.

Economically conservative my ass.
 
2021-07-20 11:25:17 AM  

RasIanI: I just never thought I'd see a day where one of the two parties that make up American Democracy would come to represent loudly, and without shame, the worst of America.


The argument there is wrong. Democrats look at Republicans and see people who are against everything America supposedly stands for. The reality is that America has always been this way. You're only successful here if you are rich and white, and can grift the system. At what point in time was that NOT the status quo?

Likewise, Republicans view Democrats as people who are against their religion. Which in most cases is not the truth. Who is more like Jesus?
 
2021-07-20 11:25:24 AM  

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2021-07-20 11:33:45 AM  
I wonder what each state's tax collection department looks like?

I wonder what a series of articles, brightly outlining each state in comparison with each other's tax collections, would do to tax enforcement among the states?
 
2021-07-20 11:35:35 AM  

RasIanI: I just never thought I'd see a day where one of the two parties that make up American Democracy would come to represent loudly, and without shame, the worst of America.


Yeah, they used to be slightly quieter about it!
 
2021-07-20 11:36:45 AM  
Hey Democrats, there's your message. "Why are Republicans defending people who cheat on their taxes? Doesn't sound like fiscal responsibility to me."
 
2021-07-20 11:41:03 AM  

austerity101: Hey Democrats, there's your message. "Why are Republicans defending people who cheat on their taxes? Doesn't sound like fiscal responsibility to me."


I dunno.  Nobody likes paying taxes or dealing with the IRS.  It's definitely smart policy.  I don't think saying "We want the IRS to audit more people" loudly is smart politics, though.
 
2021-07-20 11:42:14 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's not tax evasion, it's theft avoision.


Ok, bootstrappy
 
2021-07-20 11:46:14 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's not tax evasion, it's theft avoision.


I'm assuming you're joking, but just in case you aren't, or there are people in thread who believe this...

Who prints the money? Who supports the value of the money? How does this happen?

People somehow think if government didn't get their money they would be rich, but if government didn't take their money and build an endless number of things, there wouldn't be the society that allows them to be rich. Not just roads, or defense, or police for that matter, stuff like EBT is the difference between having poor people who might occasionally rob you and having a society like South Africa where rich folks have broken glass on the walls of their compounds and get murdered anyway.

Even Bezos isn't ruthless enough to be rich in the types of societies where the government doesn't work.

I could go into the various ways government supports industry and how capitalism and the "free market" is an ideology with no basis in reality, but that's a different bit entirely. Pay your taxes because it's why we can have nice things, even seemingly trivial levels of nice things depend on taxes in hidden ways. Things like safe food. Things like the value of the money itself and the value it carries to buy foreign goods.
 
2021-07-20 12:05:11 PM  

omg bbq: ElPrimitivo: For people who tend to identify as Christian, they also have a pretty overwhelming tendency to ignore all the things that Christ said.

[jessicahof.files.wordpress.com image 529x539]

Picking and choosing lines out of their Bronze Age goat herder book is strictly on brand for them.


To be fair, Christians are supposed to pick and choose lines out of the Iron Age text.
 
2021-07-20 12:21:55 PM  
Conservatives are OK with sales taxes.  They just want people to admire them as being rich and privileged.  IRS only does one of those things.
 
2021-07-20 12:26:36 PM  

adamatari: AdmirableSnackbar: It's not tax evasion, it's theft avoision.

I'm assuming you're joking, but just in case you aren't, or there are people in thread who believe this...

Who prints the money? Who supports the value of the money? How does this happen?

People somehow think if government didn't get their money they would be rich, but if government didn't take their money and build an endless number of things, there wouldn't be the society that allows them to be rich. Not just roads, or defense, or police for that matter, stuff like EBT is the difference between having poor people who might occasionally rob you and having a society like South Africa where rich folks have broken glass on the walls of their compounds and get murdered anyway.

Even Bezos isn't ruthless enough to be rich in the types of societies where the government doesn't work.

I could go into the various ways government supports industry and how capitalism and the "free market" is an ideology with no basis in reality, but that's a different bit entirely. Pay your taxes because it's why we can have nice things, even seemingly trivial levels of nice things depend on taxes in hidden ways. Things like safe food. Things like the value of the money itself and the value it carries to buy foreign goods.


People who think taxation is theft aren't smart enough to understand the advanced topics you're discussing....but they THINK they're smarter than that.
 
2021-07-20 12:36:37 PM  
They sure know how to get my vote...

Seriously though, the IRS already being as big as it is, does it really make sense to have it cost $40Bn more to get an additional $100Bn - provided it even works as intended?

If it takes that much investment to collect this revenue, this doesn't seem like a wise investment of our tax dollars. Imagine if all our taxes cost that much to collect - 40c of every tax dollar would go into the collection effort.

The root cause here is something entirely different. Maybe the problem could be better addressed by simplifying overly arcane tax laws and regulations and closing the plenitude of loopholes and carve outs.

Of course, we know no one has the political fortitude to tackle that quagmire though.
 
2021-07-20 12:37:15 PM  

Geotpf: fiddlehead: Didn't Giuliani and other Repubs openly state how clever it was that Trump used all those "loopholes" to avoid paying taxes years ago? They don't give a shiat, they openly applaud using every method possible, including blatant tax evasion, to avoid paying taxes.

It's worth noting that using legal tax avoidance strategies is perfectly fine and even expected.

/the key word there is "legal"


Properly funding the IRS should be in any reconciliation bill, as it directly affects the budget.
Fixing the tax system, and all of the legal loopholes, is a different argument, and any discussion of it will have to wait until after the 2022 elections, if then. Depending on how that works out, it could be a long time before tax fairness gets a second glance. I don't understand the objections/arguments/roadblocks that are being put up to prevent collecting taxes that they are obligated to pay. Unless they are rampant tax cheats.
 
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