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2021-07-20 8:42:40 AM  
The majority-Republican House and Senate decided to return to the Louisiana Capitol on Tuesday largely because of two bills rejected by Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards: a measure banning transgender athletes from competing on school sports teams with their identified gender, and legislation allowing people 21 and older to carry a concealed handgun without a permit or safety training.

Transgender is bad, but more guns are good. So which one is more dangerous? A transgender athlete or a person under 21 without safety training. Obviously its transgender athletes! They might become confident and be accepted by society.
 
2021-07-20 9:08:59 AM  
Those are some shiatty-assed bills that they feel need overridden.
 
2021-07-20 11:27:20 AM  
Surely it's for a good reason, one that will protect the state from catastro--

banning transgender athletes from competing

Oh for fark's sake.
 
2021-07-20 12:27:24 PM  
...legislation allowing people 21 and older to carry a concealed handgun without a permit or safety training.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2021-07-20 12:52:55 PM  
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2021-07-20 12:52:58 PM  

Cafe Threads: ...legislation allowing people 21 and older to carry a concealed handgun without a permit or safety training.

What could possibly go wrong?


Speaking as a Floridian, I'm kinda okay with other states doing profoundly stupid things to take a little of the spotlight away from mine.
 
2021-07-20 12:53:57 PM  
The majority-Republican House and Senate decided to return to the Louisiana Capitol on Tuesday largely because of two bills rejected by Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards: a measure banning transgender athletes from competing on school sports teams with their identified gender, and legislation allowing people 21 and older to carry a concealed handgun without a permit or safety training.

I'm glad they're focused on the important things and not just "culture war" BS.

/s
 
2021-07-20 12:55:45 PM  
Don't worry, the gator hookers know what's up.

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2021-07-20 12:56:34 PM  
Do they have the votes?... notably missing from TFA.

They have a majority in the State house but what are the actual numbers?
 
2021-07-20 12:56:54 PM  
imagine hating kids that much
 
2021-07-20 12:58:35 PM  
Going out of their way to pass two appalling bills into law:
a measure banning transgender athletes from competing on school sports teams with their identified gender, and legislation allowing people 21 and older to carry a concealed handgun without a permit or safety training.

Republicans are the worst people on earth.
 
2021-07-20 1:00:38 PM  
Hold up a second. Louisiana's only had a state constitution for 50 years? We're they some sort of pirate collective before then?
 
2021-07-20 1:01:05 PM  
So, permittless weaponry is OK, but trans kids in sports is an issue.

Get a f***ing grip LA Republicans
 
2021-07-20 1:02:18 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Hold up a second. Louisiana's only had a state constitution for 50 years? We're they some sort of pirate collective before then?


Pretty sure it just replaced the pre-existing Jim Crow model.
 
2021-07-20 1:04:38 PM  

quatchi: Do they have the votes?... notably missing from TFA.

They have a majority in the State house but what are the actual numbers?


Not on party lines.
 
2021-07-20 1:04:57 PM  
They need more guns to prevent trans girls in high school from competing in sports.
 
2021-07-20 1:05:05 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Hold up a second. Louisiana's only had a state constitution for 50 years? We're they some sort of pirate collective before then?


Would that really surprise you?

Their previous form of government was probably "If you ain't white, you ain't right" or some variation thereof.
 
2021-07-20 1:07:10 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: imagine hating kids that much


The Olympics are banning actual women who just happen to naturally have too much testosterone:

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/​r​unning/caster-semenya-christine-mboma-​beatrice-masilingi-testosterone/

I totally disagree with this, but the reason being is that it gives them an unfair advantage.
 
2021-07-20 1:07:15 PM  
Transgender athletes should not be able to compete on female teams, where they have a significant advantage.  There's a reason women have their own leagues once puberty starts.

This has almost zero importance next to the pile of other issues those assholes ought to be looking at on behalf of their constituents.
 
2021-07-20 1:08:53 PM  
I have a question for my fellow FARKers:

I fully support each person's right to identify with the gender they wish*, however if a high school student identifies as female, but is physically male, should they really compete in women's sports?

*possibly clumsy phrasing
 
2021-07-20 1:13:28 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Hold up a second. Louisiana's only had a state constitution for 50 years? We're they some sort of pirate collective before then?


The USA would be a better country if we had a new national constitution written in the 1960s.

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2021-07-20 1:14:00 PM  

fatassbastard: I have a question for my fellow FARKers:

I fully support each person's right to identify with the gender they wish*, however if a high school student identifies as female, but is physically male, should they really compete in women's sports?

*possibly clumsy phrasing


My understanding is that the majority of female athletes have no problem with this.
 
2021-07-20 1:17:50 PM  

transporter_ii: Soup4Bonnie: imagine hating kids that much

The Olympics are banning actual women who just happen to naturally have too much testosterone:

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/r​unning/caster-semenya-christine-mboma-​beatrice-masilingi-testosterone/

I totally disagree with this, but the reason being is that it gives them an unfair advantage.


That's like banning horses from racing because they developed larger hearts than usual.

Sometimes genetics throws you a bonus that makes you a natural at competitive things.  Disqualifying you over it is bullshiat.
 
2021-07-20 1:18:20 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: They need more guns to prevent trans girls in high school from competing in sports.


What if they're on the rifle team?
 
2021-07-20 1:19:23 PM  
Unsung_Hero:

Transgender athletes should not be able to compete on female teams

Why not?

And make sure you use something more than a high school understanding of adolescent development to justify it.
 
2021-07-20 1:20:17 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Hold up a second. Louisiana's only had a state constitution for 50 years? We're they some sort of pirate collective before then?


No it was a Woman's Film Collective.  Queue up "Lesbian Spank Inferno"
 
2021-07-20 1:20:34 PM  

RasIanI: Ragin' Asian: Hold up a second. Louisiana's only had a state constitution for 50 years? We're they some sort of pirate collective before then?

Pretty sure it just replaced the pre-existing Jim Crow model.


Thanks. After years on here I should know better than to take headlines on face value.
 
2021-07-20 1:22:29 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Going out of their way to pass two appalling bills into law:
a measure banning transgender athletes from competing on school sports teams with their identified gender, and legislation allowing people 21 and older to carry a concealed handgun without a permit or safety training.

Republicans are the worst people on earth.


Not only that...
But statistically, it is better than 90% certain that none of the kids will get a sports scholarship or professional contract when they grow up.

I wonder if the statistic will bear the same data for involved / related to / witness / sustain gun related injury by the time they are grown ups.

We sure worry about stupid things when we are grown ups...
 
2021-07-20 1:22:36 PM  
How about we just ban public funding for all sports, and then everyone can literally take their ball and go start their own private leagues or associations or whatever.

Because here's the thing: Sports don't matter.

Not really. Not in the way that other things that the legislature could be spending time on matter. I treat sport kind of like I treat religion. None of my business, and I wish people would waste less time and money on it. And it certainly isn't something the government should be involved in.
 
2021-07-20 1:23:48 PM  

transporter_ii: Soup4Bonnie: imagine hating kids that much

The Olympics are banning actual women who just happen to naturally have too much testosterone:

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/r​unning/caster-semenya-christine-mboma-​beatrice-masilingi-testosterone/

I totally disagree with this, but the reason being is that it gives them an unfair advantage.


You should disagree as the reason being given is bullshiat.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-co​l​umnists/the-movement-to-exclude-trans-​girls-from-sports

The argument-as set out by the Connecticut complaint, summed up during the Senate hearings by the writer Abigail Shrier, who was testifying against the federal bill, and, it seems, as intuitively understood by the public-is that trans girls have an unfair advantage in sports because they have more testosterone. But the assumption that they have more testosterone is problematic, if not downright false, as is the assumption that the testosterone confers an absolute advantage.
 
2021-07-20 1:24:42 PM  
The kick the trans kids bill will probably get veto-overridden, even though this issue could have been handled by the high school athletic association rather than the legislature. The every thug gets to conceal a ton bill is opposed by every sheriff and all policed associations. At the end of the session it may be all about trans teens, which is such an incredible shame.

Republicans are a menace.
 
2021-07-20 1:24:50 PM  
Again: stop gender-specific team sports in the scholastic environment. Club sports and no gender separation. Stop making championships a big deal until you get to college.

If basketball, soccer, et al need training grounds for youth they can f*cking pay for them.
 
2021-07-20 1:27:17 PM  

quatchi: Do they have the votes?... notably missing from TFA.

They have a majority in the State house but what are the actual numbers?


Um, half of TFA is about that.
 
2021-07-20 1:30:32 PM  
Louisiana had a land mark case in the 1980s at my high school.

We were a small Christian school and we got a transfer student who was a girl from New Jersey.

She was an amazing soccer player but there was no girls team.

So all of the guys on the team asked the coach to let her play. Coach did and the lawsuits happened before she stepped foot on the field.

A democratic judge ruled she could play.

First game she ran out on the field and the opposing team played dude looks like a lady.  She  scored three goals and was pretty good looking.

Shame she is a farking Trump humper today.
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/31/us​/​boys-and-girls-on-same-team.html
 
2021-07-20 1:31:12 PM  

PirateKing: How about we just ban public funding for all sports, and then everyone can literally take their ball and go start their own private leagues or associations or whatever.

Because here's the thing: Sports don't matter.

Not really. Not in the way that other things that the legislature could be spending time on matter. I treat sport kind of like I treat religion. None of my business, and I wish people would waste less time and money on it. And it certainly isn't something the government should be involved in.


Funny how this solution always comes up when a disadvantaged group wants to participate (public schools, marriage, etc.) Destroy it and go home
 
2021-07-20 1:31:16 PM  
fatassbastard: I have a question for my fellow FARKers:

I fully support each person's right to identify with the gender they wish*, however if a high school student identifies as female, but is physically male, should they really compete in women's sports?

*possibly clumsy phrasing

The US Tennis Authority ( or whatever their name is ) has been operating the U.S. Open to allow transgender athlete to compete on the women's side since 1980 or so without any issue ( well, aside from what CAUSED them to do this in the first place).

The NCAA has been letting transgender athlete compete as women for, I think, 10 years or so, without much commotion.

the 2016 Olympics starting allowing transgender athletes compete as women in 2016.

It shouldn't be a big deal to allow this to happen in high school sports. The major difference between high school and the above charters is that high school doesn't routinely check for illegal substances and hormones (in all the above cases one of the requirements is testing to make sure you have the equivalent of women's testosterone in your body).

But high school sports really shouldn't be Professional Level High School Sports (tm) anyway... A) 99.999% of high school athletes aren't going on to professional sports anyway. 90% probably aren't even going on to play at a collegiate level B) no male high school athlete is going to scam their way in a girls sports merely to "win" because of the stigma of it C) Just being transgender isn't going to make you a great athlete on the women's side of things anyway.
 
2021-07-20 1:32:51 PM  

puffy999: Again: stop gender-specific team sports in the scholastic environment. Club sports and no gender separation. Stop making championships a big deal until you get to college.

If basketball, soccer, et al need training grounds for youth they can f*cking pay for them.


So girls can't play then.  Because if it's physically competitive, they won't make the teams if boys are playing.

Why do you hate women so much you would crush any athletic hopes they might have just to accommodate less than a percent of the population that is upset it doesn't fit into the two main categories?
 
2021-07-20 1:34:16 PM  

Unsung_Hero: puffy999: Again: stop gender-specific team sports in the scholastic environment. Club sports and no gender separation. Stop making championships a big deal until you get to college.

If basketball, soccer, et al need training grounds for youth they can f*cking pay for them.

So girls can't play then.  Because if it's physically competitive, they won't make the teams if boys are playing.

Why do you hate women so much you would crush any athletic hopes they might have just to accommodate less than a percent of the population that is upset it doesn't fit into the two main categories?


Did you mean to talk out of both sides of your mouth just now or was it an accident?
 
2021-07-20 1:36:08 PM  
This is so goddamned embarrassing.

Our governor, a Democrat (thank farking god), asked the sponsors if they could come up with a single instance of a trans athlete in Louisiana seeking to compete in girls sports and was met with crickets in response.

He rightly pointed out that the ban, even if it didn't impact a single person directly, would most certainly hurt the state economically when conventions and other businesses get the skeeves over our apparent obsession with beating up on marginalized communities and pull out of our state, and the business community agrees with him.

But no, apparently demonizing non-existent "threats" is more important to Republicans than making the state attractive to investment, so here we are.
 
2021-07-20 1:37:49 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Transgender athletes should not be able to compete on female teams, where they have a significant advantage.  There's a reason women have their own leagues once puberty starts.

This has almost zero importance next to the pile of other issues those assholes ought to be looking at on behalf of their constituents.


"Transgender athletes should not be able to compete on female teams"

My gut reflex on this issue was exactly this - especially as a former high school track guy, etc...

But then I started to read about it -- actually put some effort into understanding how that s*** works. And I have Farkers to thank for that, tbh

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2021-07-20 1:39:18 PM  
Culture war bullshiat
 
2021-07-20 1:40:20 PM  

RasIanI: Unsung_Hero: Transgender athletes should not be able to compete on female teams, where they have a significant advantage.  There's a reason women have their own leagues once puberty starts.

This has almost zero importance next to the pile of other issues those assholes ought to be looking at on behalf of their constituents.

"Transgender athletes should not be able to compete on female teams"

My gut reflex on this issue was exactly this - especially as a former high school track guy, etc...

But then I started to read about it -- actually put some effort into understanding how that s*** works. And I have Farkers to thank for that, tbh

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Yep, it ain't just a snip here and some staples there.
 
2021-07-20 1:40:59 PM  

pueblonative: PirateKing: How about we just ban public funding for all sports, and then everyone can literally take their ball and go start their own private leagues or associations or whatever.

Because here's the thing: Sports don't matter.

Not really. Not in the way that other things that the legislature could be spending time on matter. I treat sport kind of like I treat religion. None of my business, and I wish people would waste less time and money on it. And it certainly isn't something the government should be involved in.

Funny how this solution always comes up when a disadvantaged group wants to participate (public schools, marriage, etc.) Destroy it and go home


Fair point, but in this case I would have it destroyed for everyone because sports is a tremendous waste, not because I think some group or other shouldn't participate. Rather, I think nobody should participate.
 
2021-07-20 1:48:56 PM  

PirateKing: pueblonative: PirateKing: How about we just ban public funding for all sports, and then everyone can literally take their ball and go start their own private leagues or associations or whatever.

Because here's the thing: Sports don't matter.

Not really. Not in the way that other things that the legislature could be spending time on matter. I treat sport kind of like I treat religion. None of my business, and I wish people would waste less time and money on it. And it certainly isn't something the government should be involved in.

Funny how this solution always comes up when a disadvantaged group wants to participate (public schools, marriage, etc.) Destroy it and go home

Fair point, but in this case I would have it destroyed for everyone because sports is a tremendous waste, not because I think some group or other shouldn't participate. Rather, I think nobody should participate.


Promoting a basic level of physical activity through team sports isn't the worst idea in the world.  We have a societal issue with both sedentary lifestyles and obesity, after all.
 
2021-07-20 1:50:12 PM  

transporter_ii: Soup4Bonnie: imagine hating kids that much

The Olympics are banning actual women who just happen to naturally have too much testosterone:

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/r​unning/caster-semenya-christine-mboma-​beatrice-masilingi-testosterone/

I totally disagree with this, but the reason being is that it gives them an unfair advantage.


I guess we should go totally Harrison Bergeron for everything then, huh?
 
2021-07-20 1:50:45 PM  
Anything that take power away from an Executive and give it to a Parliament is a step toward democracy. It's ironic, but Louisiana might finally throw off a couple of chains of their local shoguns and come closer to joining the world that no longer believes in rule by royal families. All becaue the Republican shoguns can't stand the idea of trading the little throne back-and-forth anymore.

Is Louisiana one of those states, so in love with monarchy, that they have a "governor's mansion" that pretends to be a dynastic manor houe from the English knighthood? Those American House of Lords types are the last vestiges of a dictatorship the world has moved past.
 
2021-07-20 1:52:58 PM  

Shaggy_C: Ragin' Asian: Hold up a second. Louisiana's only had a state constitution for 50 years? We're they some sort of pirate collective before then?

The USA would be a better country if we had a new national constitution written in the 1960s.

changemymind.png


I wouldn't mind a new constitutional convention. The majority of the people currently supporting such a thing are publicly crazy people with whom I don't want to associate.
 
2021-07-20 1:53:08 PM  

Unsung_Hero: PirateKing: pueblonative: PirateKing: How about we just ban public funding for all sports, and then everyone can literally take their ball and go start their own private leagues or associations or whatever.

Because here's the thing: Sports don't matter.

Not really. Not in the way that other things that the legislature could be spending time on matter. I treat sport kind of like I treat religion. None of my business, and I wish people would waste less time and money on it. And it certainly isn't something the government should be involved in.

Funny how this solution always comes up when a disadvantaged group wants to participate (public schools, marriage, etc.) Destroy it and go home

Fair point, but in this case I would have it destroyed for everyone because sports is a tremendous waste, not because I think some group or other shouldn't participate. Rather, I think nobody should participate.

Promoting a basic level of physical activity through team sports isn't the worst idea in the world.  We have a societal issue with both sedentary lifestyles and obesity, after all.



And if that were a reasonable excuse, then we wouldn't be having the conversation about  transgender athletes being legally banned from participating.
 
2021-07-20 1:55:39 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Transgender athletes should not be able to compete on female teams, where they have a significant advantage.  There's a reason women have their own leagues once puberty starts.

This has almost zero importance next to the pile of other issues those assholes ought to be looking at on behalf of their constituents.


Yes, it is called conservative Christian pearl clutching.

Eliminate all gendered sports in schools from K-12. Period. If someone wants to play football let them try out, if someone wants to play volley ball, go for it.

It would do our society a world of good to eliminate all competitively ranked sports for kids period.

Want to be a pro MLB player when you grow up? Cool, have your parents hire you a private coach and go for it every day after school. While in school, just keep it a fun game so kids can learn teamwork, fair play and get some exercise.
 
2021-07-20 1:57:03 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Anything that take power away from an Executive and give it to a Parliament is a step toward democracy. It's ironic, but Louisiana might finally throw off a couple of chains of their local shoguns and come closer to joining the world that no longer believes in rule by royal families. All becaue the Republican shoguns can't stand the idea of trading the little throne back-and-forth anymore.

Is Louisiana one of those states, so in love with monarchy, that they have a "governor's mansion" that pretends to be a dynastic manor houe from the English knighthood? Those American House of Lords types are the last vestiges of a dictatorship the world has moved past.


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