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2021-07-20 7:48:40 AM  
Again?!?!?!
 
2021-07-20 9:12:59 AM  
This seems to happen a lot with them.
 
2021-07-20 9:17:19 AM  
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2021-07-20 9:36:15 AM  

SpectroBoy: Again?!?!?!


At PG&E, fire is good.
 
2021-07-20 9:39:18 AM  
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2021-07-20 9:39:51 AM  
Don't forget they blow up houses too with the "gas" part of their name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Bru​n​o_pipeline_explosion
 
2021-07-20 9:40:33 AM  
Spend the money to bury all the lines. Surely it has to be cheaper than whatever they are doing now.
 
2021-07-20 9:41:35 AM  
From the description a tree came down and smashed the hell out of some stuff.  While that's still not good, if so it's at least less stupid farkery than it is goddammit nature problems

/yes, ideally you'd want every piece of power equipment where there's no way something like that could damage it
//realistically it's about as possible as raking the forest
///we'll have to see what happened, but so far I'm not so, "You dumbfarks" this time
 
2021-07-20 9:44:49 AM  

SpectroBoy: Again?!?!?!


What they said.
 
2021-07-20 9:54:52 AM  
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2021-07-20 9:55:51 AM  

phimuskapsi: Spend the money to bury all the lines. Surely it has to be cheaper than whatever they are doing now.


Way too expensive.

Elevated lines do have problems like this, yes, but those problems can be minimized, and they are cheap to fix when there is an issue.

Buried lines... you are magnifing the cost by 100s (or 1000s) of times per foot of line.  To place initially, and to repair.
 
2021-07-20 9:57:06 AM  
Welp, when you fight mother nature by putting out wild fires, you get what you get. Burn baby, burn.
 
2021-07-20 9:58:25 AM  

OkieDookie: SpectroBoy: Again?!?!?!

At PG&E, fire is good.


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2021-07-20 9:58:46 AM  

phimuskapsi: Spend the money to bury all the lines. Surely it has to be cheaper than whatever they are doing now.


Bury all the lines in California?  The cost, time and interruptions to service would be massive.
 
2021-07-20 9:59:52 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: From the description a tree came down and smashed the hell out of some stuff.  While that's still not good, if so it's at least less stupid farkery than it is goddammit nature problems

/yes, ideally you'd want every piece of power equipment where there's no way something like that could damage it
//realistically it's about as possible as raking the forest
///we'll have to see what happened, but so far I'm not so, "You dumbfarks" this time


Part of pg&e's job, that they chronically fail to do, is trim back trees around their lines. You keep the trees trim so you don't burn down half the state. Trees hitting lines sparking fires isn't nature, it's negligence.
 
2021-07-20 10:04:05 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: phimuskapsi: Spend the money to bury all the lines. Surely it has to be cheaper than whatever they are doing now.

Bury all the lines in California?  The cost, time and interruptions to service would be massive.


Spending, delays, and massive inconvenience is what we do best here in CA.
 
2021-07-20 10:08:21 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: From the description a tree came down and smashed the hell out of some stuff.  While that's still not good, if so it's at least less stupid farkery than it is goddammit nature problems

/yes, ideally you'd want every piece of power equipment where there's no way something like that could damage it
//realistically it's about as possible as raking the forest
///we'll have to see what happened, but so far I'm not so, "You dumbfarks" this time

Part of pg&e's job, that they chronically fail to do, is trim back trees around their lines. You keep the trees trim so you don't burn down half the state. Trees hitting lines sparking fires isn't nature, it's negligence.


Yeah, if this is "nature," so was Beirut. Just because nobody wanted it to happen doesn't mean human negligence didn't make it all but inevitable.
 
2021-07-20 10:26:47 AM  
If PG&E wasn't propped up by it's pseudo-public-utility status, it would've been stripmined for resources and sold off by vulture capitalists years ago.  I've never seen a more incompetent company be allowed to affect so many people for so long
 
2021-07-20 10:28:45 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: From the description a tree came down and smashed the hell out of some stuff.  While that's still not good, if so it's at least less stupid farkery than it is goddammit nature problems

/yes, ideally you'd want every piece of power equipment where there's no way something like that could damage it
//realistically it's about as possible as raking the forest
///we'll have to see what happened, but so far I'm not so, "You dumbfarks" this time

Part of pg&e's job, that they chronically fail to do, is trim back trees around their lines. You keep the trees trim so you don't burn down half the state. Trees hitting lines sparking fires isn't nature, it's negligence.


They can just shut off the power when it gets windy!

Just think. There had to be a meeting full of PG&E execs where this idea was discussed. And they decided it was the best option.
 
2021-07-20 10:30:50 AM  
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2021-07-20 10:32:46 AM  
How many times is their neglected equipment going to start a fire, cause a deadly blackout, or otherwise cause massive externalities before we hold them accountable?
 
2021-07-20 10:39:14 AM  
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2021-07-20 10:52:10 AM  

Likwit: How many times is their neglected equipment going to start a fire, cause a deadly blackout, or otherwise cause massive externalities before we hold them accountable?


All of the times. Forever.
 
2021-07-20 10:55:51 AM  

illegal: Welp, when you fight mother nature by putting out wild fires, you get what you get. Burn baby, burn.


Right now the Tamarack fire is 0% contained, is huge, has burninated houses and threatens to burninate some more. When it started by lightning in the national forest they decided to let it burn, you know, let nature take it's course. That lasted about a week and then the fire blew up.

Lots of blame floating around and accusations from armchair quarterbacks. ZOMG, the firefighters let it go because they want overtime!!! What idiots!!!!

Yes, we should have been letting fires burn more. That's difficult to do because fires can easily escape even with best knowledge and effort. And there aren't 365 days of perfect (windless, not too hot, not too wet, not a weekend with lots of recreation or logging) conditions.

And if you look at any satellite view of the forests you'll see plenty of bare patches where logging occurred. And maybe there would be more employment if we didn't ship logs overseas to a cheaper sawmill or to sell overseas.

We should also have been hardening the houses in the forests. And we should have been doing something about global warming at least 20 years ago.

And PG&E definitely sucks, no doubt about that. Still, their tree trimming crews have been threatened (and I think one was killed) while working out in the hinterlands.
 
2021-07-20 11:07:36 AM  
These areas are going to burn.  All the ingredients for a fire are just sitting there waiting for a trigger, and it's been that way for thousands of years.  The trigger can be a PG and E power line, a cigarette butt, a campfire, a gender reveal party, or just lightning like the last 10,000 years.  Anyway, it's going to burn, the only time it doesn't burn is if it's was burned last year, and the fuel hasn't regrown yet.
 
2021-07-20 11:12:07 AM  

Walker: Don't forget they blow up houses too with the "gas" part of their name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Brun​o_pipeline_explosion


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2021-07-20 11:22:40 AM  

phimuskapsi: Spend the money to bury all the lines. Surely it has to be cheaper than whatever they are doing now.


Disband them first and let their replacement bury the lines. The way they're going, they'll just start something like the Centralia Coal Fire.
 
2021-07-20 11:32:53 AM  
Wildfire season begins in February and ends in 2045.

Seriously, this is getting old.
 
2021-07-20 11:34:03 AM  
No, WHOOPS on the government of California, the enviro-whack jobs that won't allow utility companies
to clear proper distance between power lines & trees, AND the clowns that won't allow cleaning the
DEAD undergrowth that gives a LOT of fuel to any potential fire.
Happy days in the dark, plus when a fire comes along, burning up your homes.
 
2021-07-20 11:40:55 AM  
This is not what employees meant when they asked management to bring back the annual cookout.
 
2021-07-20 12:07:36 PM  

LadySusan: illegal: Welp, when you fight mother nature by putting out wild fires, you get what you get. Burn baby, burn.

Right now the Tamarack fire is 0% contained, is huge, has burninated houses and threatens to burninate some more. When it started by lightning in the national forest they decided to let it burn, you know, let nature take it's course. That lasted about a week and then the fire blew up.

Lots of blame floating around and accusations from armchair quarterbacks. ZOMG, the firefighters let it go because they want overtime!!! What idiots!!!!

Yes, we should have been letting fires burn more. That's difficult to do because fires can easily escape even with best knowledge and effort. And there aren't 365 days of perfect (windless, not too hot, not too wet, not a weekend with lots of recreation or logging) conditions.

And if you look at any satellite view of the forests you'll see plenty of bare patches where logging occurred. And maybe there would be more employment if we didn't ship logs overseas to a cheaper sawmill or to sell overseas.

We should also have been hardening the houses in the forests. And we should have been doing something about global warming at least 20 years ago.

And PG&E definitely sucks, no doubt about that. Still, their tree trimming crews have been threatened (and I think one was killed) while working out in the hinterlands.


Yeah, it's too late now as we have been putting out fires for too long, the only thing you should do is protect buildings.
 
2021-07-20 12:12:35 PM  

p51d007: No, WHOOPS on the government of California, the enviro-whack jobs that won't allow utility companies
to clear proper distance between power lines & trees, AND the clowns that won't allow cleaning the
DEAD undergrowth that gives a LOT of fuel to any potential fire.
Happy days in the dark, plus when a fire comes along, burning up your homes.


You have no idea what is going on do you?
 
2021-07-20 12:18:30 PM  
Remember that every time a power company does something, the Public Utilities Commission must approve it.  So much for being quick and responsive until after the plans are approved.

In the land of fruit and nuts, the tree hugging hippies are against any grooming, Mother Nature or themselves, and therefore have plenty of time to clog the system with inane demands and demands for studies so the ants don't get killed.  But poo and needles on the street are ok.

Also, does your power company 'provide more than 88% of the electricity PG&E delivered to its customers last year (2020) came from greenhouse gas (GHG)-free resources.'  Source - statements like this must also be approved by the PubUtilCommish.
 
2021-07-20 12:24:17 PM  

maxandgrinch: Remember that every time a power company does something, the Public Utilities Commission must approve it.  So much for being quick and responsive until after the plans are approved.

In the land of fruit and nuts, the tree hugging hippies are against any grooming, Mother Nature or themselves, and therefore have plenty of time to clog the system with inane demands and demands for studies so the ants don't get killed.  But poo and needles on the street are ok.

Also, does your power company 'provide more than 88% of the electricity PG&E delivered to its customers last year (2020) came from greenhouse gas (GHG)-free resources.'  Source - statements like this must also be approved by the PubUtilCommish.


The PUC doesn't tell utility companies they can't cut back trees.  The PUC is involved in things like rate changes, policy enforcement, etc.
 
2021-07-20 12:29:42 PM  

bhcompy: maxandgrinch: Remember that every time a power company does something, the Public Utilities Commission must approve it.  So much for being quick and responsive until after the plans are approved.

In the land of fruit and nuts, the tree hugging hippies are against any grooming, Mother Nature or themselves, and therefore have plenty of time to clog the system with inane demands and demands for studies so the ants don't get killed.  But poo and needles on the street are ok.

Also, does your power company 'provide more than 88% of the electricity PG&E delivered to its customers last year (2020) came from greenhouse gas (GHG)-free resources.'  Source - statements like this must also be approved by the PubUtilCommish.

The PUC doesn't tell utility companies they can't cut back trees.  The PUC is involved in things like rate changes, policy enforcement, etc.


There have been outside environmental groups suing PG&E and other utility companies when they cut down trees near power lines, this much is true (usually the specific complaint is "you cut down/want to cut down too many trees, more than you had to").  I don't believe that any tree not cut down due to any of these lawsuits was one which sparked any fire, though.
 
2021-07-20 12:31:39 PM  

SpectroBoy: OkieDookie: SpectroBoy: Again?!?!?!

At PG&E, fire is good.

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Am I the only one who flashes back to the Napster Bad video whenever they see the words 'fire bad'?

If you're too young to have seen this, or too old to remember it.... don't watch this at work unless you have headphones

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2021-07-20 1:12:49 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: From the description a tree came down and smashed the hell out of some stuff.  While that's still not good, if so it's at least less stupid farkery than it is goddammit nature problems

/yes, ideally you'd want every piece of power equipment where there's no way something like that could damage it
//realistically it's about as possible as raking the forest
///we'll have to see what happened, but so far I'm not so, "You dumbfarks" this time

Part of pg&e's job, that they chronically fail to do, is trim back trees around their lines. You keep the trees trim so you don't burn down half the state. Trees hitting lines sparking fires isn't nature, it's negligence.


It's kind of a two part problem.  Yes, historically they've sucked at even doing what they can, but also trying to keep everything that could possible interfere with power in a state the size of California is a task akin to raking the National Forests.  There just isn't any way they're going to keep all of it clear, unless you're willing to accept a PG&E that's vastly, vastly larger and charges much higher rates thereby.  That kind of shiat can fly in an east coast-sized state, maybe.  It's not feasible out here, as shiatty as that is.  Not at the rates people want to pay - and charging that much more would just leave tons without electricity.  As much as I don't love PG&E, they are stuck with a serious damned either way scenario.   Yes, they have slacked on maintenance etc. - but even with the best clearing one can do in an economically feasible fashion, sometimes shiat's gonna happen.  It'd much require something like prison labor at wages that'd be illegal in any other kind of situation to even make a dent in the job, assuming you could find enough willing and safe to be work released prisoners which is a big assumption
 
2021-07-20 1:17:32 PM  
They save $ by not maintaining their power lines so they will have $ to spend on fire fighting. Oh wait, they dont spend their $, the state spends state $.
 
2021-07-20 1:33:52 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Uchiha_Cycliste: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: From the description a tree came down and smashed the hell out of some stuff.  While that's still not good, if so it's at least less stupid farkery than it is goddammit nature problems

/yes, ideally you'd want every piece of power equipment where there's no way something like that could damage it
//realistically it's about as possible as raking the forest
///we'll have to see what happened, but so far I'm not so, "You dumbfarks" this time

Part of pg&e's job, that they chronically fail to do, is trim back trees around their lines. You keep the trees trim so you don't burn down half the state. Trees hitting lines sparking fires isn't nature, it's negligence.

It's kind of a two part problem.  Yes, historically they've sucked at even doing what they can, but also trying to keep everything that could possible interfere with power in a state the size of California is a task akin to raking the National Forests.  There just isn't any way they're going to keep all of it clear, unless you're willing to accept a PG&E that's vastly, vastly larger and charges much higher rates thereby.  That kind of shiat can fly in an east coast-sized state, maybe.  It's not feasible out here, as shiatty as that is.  Not at the rates people want to pay - and charging that much more would just leave tons without electricity.  As much as I don't love PG&E, they are stuck with a serious damned either way scenario.   Yes, they have slacked on maintenance etc. - but even with the best clearing one can do in an economically feasible fashion, sometimes shiat's gonna happen.  It'd much require something like prison labor at wages that'd be illegal in any other kind of situation to even make a dent in the job, assuming you could find enough willing and safe to be work released prisoners which is a big assumption


Maybe instead of paying dividends to their shareholders, they should have used that money for tree cutting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/03/us-ju​d​ge-orders-pge-to-use-dividends-to-pay-​for-efforts-to-reduce-wildfire-risks.h​tml

PG&E paid $798 million in dividends in 2017 and $925 million in 2016, a period in which the company did a poor job of clearing areas around its power lines of hazardous trees, according to Alsup.

Money meant for shareholders should have been spent on efforts to reduce wildfire risks in recent years, Alsup said at Tuesday's hearing.

"PG&E has started way more than its share of these fires," Alsup said.

"I want to see the people of California safe," the judge added.
 
2021-07-20 1:47:48 PM  

Geotpf: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Uchiha_Cycliste: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: From the description a tree came down and smashed the hell out of some stuff.  While that's still not good, if so it's at least less stupid farkery than it is goddammit nature problems

/yes, ideally you'd want every piece of power equipment where there's no way something like that could damage it
//realistically it's about as possible as raking the forest
///we'll have to see what happened, but so far I'm not so, "You dumbfarks" this time

Part of pg&e's job, that they chronically fail to do, is trim back trees around their lines. You keep the trees trim so you don't burn down half the state. Trees hitting lines sparking fires isn't nature, it's negligence.

It's kind of a two part problem.  Yes, historically they've sucked at even doing what they can, but also trying to keep everything that could possible interfere with power in a state the size of California is a task akin to raking the National Forests.  There just isn't any way they're going to keep all of it clear, unless you're willing to accept a PG&E that's vastly, vastly larger and charges much higher rates thereby.  That kind of shiat can fly in an east coast-sized state, maybe.  It's not feasible out here, as shiatty as that is.  Not at the rates people want to pay - and charging that much more would just leave tons without electricity.  As much as I don't love PG&E, they are stuck with a serious damned either way scenario.   Yes, they have slacked on maintenance etc. - but even with the best clearing one can do in an economically feasible fashion, sometimes shiat's gonna happen.  It'd much require something like prison labor at wages that'd be illegal in any other kind of situation to even make a dent in the job, assuming you could find enough willing and safe to be work released prisoners which is a big assumption

Maybe instead of paying dividends to their shareholders, they should have used that money for tree cutting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/03/us-jud​ge-orders-pge-to-use-dividends-to-pay-​for-efforts-to-reduce-wildfire-risks.h​tml

PG&E paid $798 million in dividends in 2017 and $925 million in 2016, a period in which the company did a poor job of clearing areas around its power lines of hazardous trees, according to Alsup.

Money meant for shareholders should have been spent on efforts to reduce wildfire risks in recent years, Alsup said at Tuesday's hearing.

"PG&E has started way more than its share of these fires," Alsup said.

"I want to see the people of California safe," the judge added.


I'd swear some time back the state gave them a bunch of money for maintenance they never did too. Simply pocketing it andvraising rates.
 
2021-07-20 1:49:03 PM  

Geotpf: Maybe instead of paying dividends to their shareholders, they should have used that money for tree cutting.


Maybe?  Definitely more like.  Once again, duh.  Which is why I've emphasized I don't love the farkers.  Fact still obtains though. they're never going to prevent this stuff wholesale worth a damn without charging a ton more money.  That amount the judge ordered them to use is a drop in the bucket on what a real job would take.  It's a gesture, and a needed one, but it's just a gesture compared with how much work would really have to be done for genuine safety's sake.  Pretty much like the nod and a hope social media companies throw at content regulation - there's just too much work there for anything short of ludicrously large supervisory arms
 
2021-07-20 1:55:07 PM  

GrogSmash: phimuskapsi: Spend the money to bury all the lines. Surely it has to be cheaper than whatever they are doing now.

Way too expensive.

Elevated lines do have problems like this, yes, but those problems can be minimized, and they are cheap to fix when there is an issue.

Buried lines... you are magnifing the cost by 100s (or 1000s) of times per foot of line.  To place initially, and to repair.


When you consider the lawsuits, deaths and property damage that results, I think that the balance could be found to bury all the lines that are in areas that are wildfire prone. Something has to be done. So far PG&E has spent $26 billion on damage claims alone, they say it will cost $40 billion more to 'fireproof' the grid. I have to imagine that burying, even with high costs - would save much more in the long run.
 
2021-07-20 1:57:34 PM  

maxandgrinch: Remember that every time a power company does something, the Public Utilities Commission must approve it.  So much for being quick and responsive until after the plans are approved.

In the land of fruit and nuts, the tree hugging hippies are against any grooming, Mother Nature or themselves, and therefore have plenty of time to clog the system with inane demands and demands for studies so the ants don't get killed.  But poo and needles on the street are ok.

Also, does your power company 'provide more than 88% of the electricity PG&E delivered to its customers last year (2020) came from greenhouse gas (GHG)-free resources.'  Source - statements like this must also be approved by the PubUtilCommish.


You're a real moron.
 
2021-07-20 2:11:03 PM  
fark PG&E. I was born and raised in Paradise. The day before the Camp Fire in 2018, they warned of high winds and potential power outrages. They did not follow through and left it all running. As a result, one of their old, poorly maintained power lines sparked a fire that not only destroyed 85% of the buildings in a community of around 35,000 people, it also killed some 88 human beings. The people in charge belong in jail for the rest of their lives.
 
2021-07-20 3:01:23 PM  

phimuskapsi: GrogSmash: phimuskapsi: Spend the money to bury all the lines. Surely it has to be cheaper than whatever they are doing now.

Way too expensive.

Elevated lines do have problems like this, yes, but those problems can be minimized, and they are cheap to fix when there is an issue.

Buried lines... you are magnifing the cost by 100s (or 1000s) of times per foot of line.  To place initially, and to repair.

When you consider the lawsuits, deaths and property damage that results, I think that the balance could be found to bury all the lines that are in areas that are wildfire prone. Something has to be done. So far PG&E has spent $26 billion on damage claims alone, they say it will cost $40 billion more to 'fireproof' the grid. I have to imagine that burying, even with high costs - would save much more in the long run.


PG&E is in a no-win scenario. They're a huge power company in a wildfire-prone area. Every choice they make is going to steamroll someone.

If they turn the power off, they're killing people who depend on oxygen and CPAP machines but don't have the money for backup power. People will get sick and possibly die, or at least be extremely uncomfortable in the heat with no air conditioning or even a fan during the hottest time of the year. Heatstroke is really dangerous.  People will be unable to sleep at night, and for some of us (folks with afib, for example) that's dangerous.

If they do leave the power on, they might start a wildfire of unknown size and scope. That'll cost millions of dollars and people may still die. Firefighters will have to come in and it'll burn all kinds of areas and kill all kinds of animals.

Much of this could be fixed by burying the lines, but then that's going to cause rates to go up. People will have to spend more money on their power bills, and many of those people can't afford it. PG&E will be skewered for having the highest rates in the nation to pay for burying equipment. It'll also cost more to maintain it because everything is underground. Occasionally, people will dig in the wrong place, get electrocuted and it'll be PG&E's fault.

They could subsidize rates and charge more wealthy areas more, but you know the upcharges are never going to balance out the subsidies, which results in debt. Over years, they'll accumulate more and more debt, eventually leading to the state having to bail them out. PG&E will be the robber barons who made brazillions but couldn't avoid near bankruptcy and etc.
 
2021-07-20 3:10:14 PM  
They could subsidize rates and charge more wealthy areas more

They could use the money the state gave them to fix the problem and update their equipment to do just that, but they didn't.

They could use the money from multiple rate hikes to modernize their equipment but they paid out record dividends instead and said lol I guess we'll turn the power off if it gets windy.

PG+E execs need to swing for some of the decisions they've made.
 
2021-07-20 3:32:34 PM  

Lenny.Bostoch: They save $ by not maintaining their power lines so they will have $ to spend on fire fighting. Oh wait, they dont spend their $, the state spends state $.


many utility veg. management contractors went out of business during the pandemic.  who is going to maintain thousands and thousands of miles of power line right of ways?  it requires special equipment and training.  my employer has been hiring and training people the entire pandemic to pick up the failed contracts.  we hired over 800 people in 2020.  we are around 500 new hires for 2021 so far.

cutting trees in some places brings lawsuits.  NIMBY's are a nightmare and add to the bingo card of failure causes.
 
2021-07-20 3:32:45 PM  

khatores: PG&E is in a no-win scenario. They're a huge power company in a wildfire-prone area. Every choice they make is going to steamroll someone.


Silviculture!  Live it Learn it Love it.
 
2021-07-20 3:36:58 PM  

paranand: fark PG&E. I was born and raised in Paradise. The day before the Camp Fire in 2018, they warned of high winds and potential power outrages. They did not follow through and left it all running. As a result, one of their old, poorly maintained power lines sparked a fire that not only destroyed 85% of the buildings in a community of around 35,000 people, it also killed some 88 human beings. The people in charge belong in jail for the rest of their lives.


up thread PG&E was mocked for saying turning off the power during high wind red flag days was stupid. 

see the problem?  ignorant internet commentary is just that.
 
2021-07-20 3:49:56 PM  

asciibaron: paranand: fark PG&E. I was born and raised in Paradise. The day before the Camp Fire in 2018, they warned of high winds and potential power outrages. They did not follow through and left it all running. As a result, one of their old, poorly maintained power lines sparked a fire that not only destroyed 85% of the buildings in a community of around 35,000 people, it also killed some 88 human beings. The people in charge belong in jail for the rest of their lives.

up thread PG&E was mocked for saying turning off the power during high wind red flag days was stupid. 

see the problem?  ignorant internet commentary is just that.


I put this kind of thing in the fark around and find out category: global warming. In the before times, PGE engineered their lines to just pour out power. If anyone had suggested that they might need to turn off small sections of the grid at a time they would have been mocked. Now PGE has to re-engineer the system so there's a granular ability to turn stuff off. It's complicated.

Note: PGE does indeed suck donkey balls, but there are other bad actors.

Raise rates? Kill people and impoverish others.
Don't pay dividends? Stonk drops result in ppl losing money, some who can't afford it. Plus all execs get fired and new ones put in place.
Cut trees? They're the wrong trees, costs too much, more traffic, chainsaw starts a fire.
Do everything right? Geez, why did you spend so much money doing that stuff, what a waste, nothing bad happened, you're just living in fear.
 
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