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(Army Times)   Gomer was in the Marine Corps. GOMORs belong to the Army   (armytimes.com) divider line
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2021-07-20 3:40:07 AM  
I have never heard of this before. Is a GOMOR the same thing as an Article 15?

/Yes, I was in the Army Reserve.
//Yes, I'm old.
 
2021-07-20 4:21:58 AM  
They're already in Fort Knox. What more punishment is there?!?!?!
 
2021-07-20 4:56:47 AM  

NewportBarGuy: They're already in Fort Knox. What more punishment is there?!?!?!


Fort Polk in Louisiana
 
2021-07-20 8:06:41 AM  
General Officer Memoranda of Reprimand

Even I didn't get threatened with one of those
 
2021-07-20 8:08:23 AM  

NotCodger: I have never heard of this before. Is a GOMOR the same thing as an Article 15?

/Yes, I was in the Army Reserve.
//Yes, I'm old.


Looks to be a separate form of punishment according to the article.
 
2021-07-20 8:08:34 AM  
"BUT MAH FREDOMS!  TYRANNY! MAH BODY, MY CHOICE!"
 
2021-07-20 8:09:49 AM  
The military is pragmatic. Something that took a whole battleship out of commission will not be taken lightly.
 
2021-07-20 8:12:09 AM  
This is the opposite of one of those letters a general writes for doing good, right?  Got through AIT with an SPI of 49%.  This colonel I never met (maybe the commanding officer of the transportation school at Fort Eustis).  Got to permanent party, showed it to the E-5 and he said I could use it as toilet paper.  I think it added a point to my E-5 promotion points.

The reason I never considered the Marines is I thought those guys on Gomer Pyle USMC were was too chummy IYKWIM, IYGWIS.  AWTSNTBOH.  NTTATWWT.
 
2021-07-20 8:13:56 AM  
Career Killer, worse than an article 15. When I got an article 15 I had to paint everything in the company area.
 
2021-07-20 8:17:25 AM  

Walker: "BUT MAH FREDOMS!  TYRANNY! MAH BODY, MY CHOICE!"


I wonder if that's really the thought process.  I mean if they ever deploy anywhere they'll have to take all kinds of non FDA approved vaccines (against gas, viruses, etc)

What are they gonna do then.

Plus if some guy says drop and give me 50, they have to.  So no freedom
 
2021-07-20 8:21:28 AM  
YOU WILL BE MADE AN EXAMPLE. STOP FARKING AROUND.
 
2021-07-20 8:22:06 AM  

Walker: "BUT MAH FREDOMS!  TYRANNY! MAH BODY, MY CHOICE!"


"Son, this is the United States Army. We don't do that shiat."
 
2021-07-20 8:24:42 AM  
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Burn a few (likely under performers) up front and the rest will quickly fall in line.
 
2021-07-20 8:28:50 AM  
It's CORE, subby

/pet peeve
 
2021-07-20 8:33:39 AM  
Good, stupid should hurt.
 
2021-07-20 8:33:52 AM  
Well, everyone knows that GOMERS go to ground
 
2021-07-20 8:36:36 AM  
I was hoping President Biden would sign an executive order making the COVID vaccine mandatory for military personnel
 
2021-07-20 8:40:10 AM  

lefty248: Career Killer, worse than an article 15. When I got an article 15 I had to paint everything in the company area.


So explain to those of us who have zero familiarity with the US Army why a GOMOR is such a career killer?  Yes, a letter of reprimand is obviously bad on your permanent record, but so are a lot of things.  What makes this one so special?
 
2021-07-20 8:44:21 AM  
A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.
 
2021-07-20 8:46:17 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.


Ah.  OK, I get it now.

"Pissed upon from a great height".
 
2021-07-20 8:51:37 AM  
Severe punishment for declining a free vaccine and walking around with no mask?  I don't see a problem here.
 
2021-07-20 9:01:11 AM  

Resident Muslim: The military is pragmatic. Something that took a whole battleship out of commission will not be taken lightly.


Battleships? The Navy does not have any battleships in commission, and hasn't in some time.
 
2021-07-20 9:09:48 AM  

NotCodger: NewportBarGuy: They're already in Fort Knox. What more punishment is there?!?!?!

Fort Polk in Louisiana


Fort Irwin too. Maybe Bliss at the right (or wrong) time.
 
2021-07-20 9:19:49 AM  

abhorrent1: It's CORE, subby

/pet peeve


Peave.
 
2021-07-20 9:22:21 AM  

GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.

Ah.  OK, I get it now.

"Pissed upon from a great height".


Heh - even worse, you farked up so damn bad your chain was forced to bring it to overall command attention for punishment.  Not like these people are walking around looking for targets for letters of reprimand.  That's your own chain shopping your ass from the senior NCO's on up.  And any later potential commanders know that if you fark up to the point your own are willing to take it that far - even if (especially if) you're playing technically correct barracks lawyer games to justify it -  you're one dumb son of a biatch.  There is no military service in the world that will forgive that shiat, or let you get away with it eternally.  Military command is a dinosaur, you poke it in the ass it'll take a while for the message to get to the brain - but when it finally does you're gonna get the fark stepped on.  You are going to be an instructive farking example, neighbor.  Prepare your anus
 
2021-07-20 9:26:20 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.


GEN (then MG) Jack Keane glared at me and told me (E-4) to get a haircut, but it didn't end my career.

15 years later, he danced with his wife at a private gig I was on. She died a few months later.

The cycle was completed.
 
2021-07-20 9:38:25 AM  

undernova: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.

GEN (then MG) Jack Keane glared at me and told me (E-4) to get a haircut, but it didn't end my career.

15 years later, he danced with his wife at a private gig I was on. She died a few months later.

The cycle was completed.


wat
 
2021-07-20 9:53:24 AM  
Gomer Pyle sings The Impossible Dream
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Gomerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2021-07-20 10:29:32 AM  
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2021-07-20 10:34:41 AM  

lefty248: Career Killer, worse than an article 15. When I got an article 15 I had to paint everything in the company area.


Not necessarily a career killer. I got one of those. (not going to divulge the circumstances)
 
2021-07-20 10:35:20 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.

Ah.  OK, I get it now.

"Pissed upon from a great height".

Heh - even worse, you farked up so damn bad your chain was forced to bring it to overall command attention for punishment.  Not like these people are walking around looking for targets for letters of reprimand.  That's your own chain shopping your ass from the senior NCO's on up.  And any later potential commanders know that if you fark up to the point your own are willing to take it that far - even if (especially if) you're playing technically correct barracks lawyer games to justify it -  you're one dumb son of a biatch.  There is no military service in the world that will forgive that shiat, or let you get away with it eternally.  Military command is a dinosaur, you poke it in the ass it'll take a while for the message to get to the brain - but when it finally does you're gonna get the fark stepped on.  You are going to be an instructive farking example, neighbor.  Prepare your anus


So basically it's something bad enough that no one in the chain was willing to say "We'll take care of this at this level"?

Seems akin to getting the Chief of Medicine involved at a hospital. I got a congratulatory handshake from ours when I graduated. "Well done, Dr. S&S, you made it three years and I have no idea who you are!".

We had a resident massively fark up when I was in. Could have been handled by the chief resident, they declined to take the heat. So did the service attending, program assistant director, program director, department assistant head, department head. It had to go through that many levels to get CoM involved.
 
2021-07-20 10:37:02 AM  

disaster bastard: NotCodger: NewportBarGuy: They're already in Fort Knox. What more punishment is there?!?!?!

Fort Polk in Louisiana

Fort Irwin too. Maybe Bliss at the right (or wrong) time.


I would lump Sill and Hood in there as well.
 
2021-07-20 10:39:59 AM  

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Jim Nabors had amazing pipes.
 
2021-07-20 10:43:37 AM  

Flincher: NotCodger: I have never heard of this before. Is a GOMOR the same thing as an Article 15?

/Yes, I was in the Army Reserve.
//Yes, I'm old.

Looks to be a separate form of punishment according to the article.


Article 15's were issued in lieu of court martial punishment.  Reprimands, verbal and memorandum, were part of the path to an Article 15 or court-martial.
 
2021-07-20 10:48:03 AM  

Sword and Shield: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.

Ah.  OK, I get it now.

"Pissed upon from a great height".

Heh - even worse, you farked up so damn bad your chain was forced to bring it to overall command attention for punishment.  Not like these people are walking around looking for targets for letters of reprimand.  That's your own chain shopping your ass from the senior NCO's on up.  And any later potential commanders know that if you fark up to the point your own are willing to take it that far - even if (especially if) you're playing technically correct barracks lawyer games to justify it -  you're one dumb son of a biatch.  There is no military service in the world that will forgive that shiat, or let you get away with it eternally.  Military command is a dinosaur, you poke it in the ass it'll take a while for the message to get to the brain - but when it finally does you're gonna get the fark stepped on.  You are going to be an instructive farking example, neighbor.  Prepare your anus

So basically it's something bad enough that no one in the chain was willing to say "We'll take care of this at this level"?

Seems akin to getting the Chief of Medicine involved at a hospital. I got a congratulatory handshake from ours when I graduated. "Well done, Dr. S&S, you made it three years and I have no idea who you are!".

We had a resident massively fark up when I was in. Could have been handled by the chief resident, they declined to take the heat. So did the service attending, program assistant director, program director, department assistant head, department head. It had to go through that many levels to get CoM involved.


There are certain violations that automatically get escalated to higher levels.
 
2021-07-20 11:27:27 AM  
"They" don't like you.

9 years in and I had been arrested 3 times, twice overseas.  Never a LOC, LOR, Article 15, or delay in my promotions.

An acquaintance backshop solder-jockey got an Dishonorable Discharge for using a screwdriver from the shop CTK on his personal equipment.  He was NOT liked.

CYA shaitheads
 
2021-07-20 11:27:46 AM  

NotCodger: NewportBarGuy: They're already in Fort Knox. What more punishment is there?!?!?!

Fort Polk in Louisiana


you are absolutely correct.
 
2021-07-20 11:38:41 AM  
Wondering when they will remake Gomer Pile and completely screw it up.
 
2021-07-20 11:58:41 AM  

NotCodger: NewportBarGuy: They're already in Fort Knox. What more punishment is there?!?!?!

Fort Polk in Louisiana


Zach? Is that you?
 
2021-07-20 12:10:53 PM  

Hospitaller: Flincher: NotCodger: I have never heard of this before. Is a GOMOR the same thing as an Article 15?

/Yes, I was in the Army Reserve.
//Yes, I'm old.

Looks to be a separate form of punishment according to the article.

Article 15's were issued in lieu of court martial punishment.  Reprimands, verbal and memorandum, were part of the path to an Article 15 or court-martial.


Also, the article mentions that the Army didn't specify whether the GOMORs in question were filed locally, or in the Soldiers' permanent record.  There's a huge difference there... if it's in your permanent record, then it probably will be a career killer, as it will be seen by every other board (promotion, etc.) that you ever go to.  If it's only filed locally, it'll go away as soon as you change assignments.  My guess is that these were filed locally (pure speculation).

I'm also guessing that, when the CG, Fort Knox published the policy on mask wearing for the non-vaxxed, it was specified that a GOMOR would be the punishment (again, pure speculation).  So, imo, this falls firmly in the "Fark around & find out" category"

/retired Army officer
 
2021-07-20 12:24:25 PM  
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2021-07-20 12:56:07 PM  

Sword and Shield: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: GrogSmash: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: A GOMOR means that you committed the great sin in the Army.

You farked up and a general noticed.

Ah.  OK, I get it now.

"Pissed upon from a great height".

Heh - even worse, you farked up so damn bad your chain was forced to bring it to overall command attention for punishment.  Not like these people are walking around looking for targets for letters of reprimand.  That's your own chain shopping your ass from the senior NCO's on up.  And any later potential commanders know that if you fark up to the point your own are willing to take it that far - even if (especially if) you're playing technically correct barracks lawyer games to justify it -  you're one dumb son of a biatch.  There is no military service in the world that will forgive that shiat, or let you get away with it eternally.  Military command is a dinosaur, you poke it in the ass it'll take a while for the message to get to the brain - but when it finally does you're gonna get the fark stepped on.  You are going to be an instructive farking example, neighbor.  Prepare your anus

So basically it's something bad enough that no one in the chain was willing to say "We'll take care of this at this level"?

Seems akin to getting the Chief of Medicine involved at a hospital. I got a congratulatory handshake from ours when I graduated. "Well done, Dr. S&S, you made it three years and I have no idea who you are!".

We had a resident massively fark up when I was in. Could have been handled by the chief resident, they declined to take the heat. So did the service attending, program assistant director, program director, department assistant head, department head. It had to go through that many levels to get CoM involved.


Yep - that analogy holds quite well
 
2021-07-20 1:02:58 PM  

NotCodger: I have never heard of this before. Is a GOMOR the same thing as an Article 15?

/Yes, I was in the Army Reserve.
//Yes, I'm old.


Username does not check out.
 
2021-07-20 1:07:19 PM  

Tom-Servo: NotCodger: I have never heard of this before. Is a GOMOR the same thing as an Article 15?

/Yes, I was in the Army Reserve.
//Yes, I'm old.

Username does not check out.


It was meant to be a placeholder while I thought of a clever permanent name. I found out too late that Fark names can't be changed.
 
2021-07-20 1:07:25 PM  

DontBeThatGuy: I'm also guessing that, when the CG, Fort Knox published the policy on mask wearing for the non-vaxxed, it was specified that a GOMOR would be the punishment (again, pure speculation).  So, imo, this falls firmly in the "Fark around & find out" category"

/retired Army officer


Not specified just the normal "we will punish you how we see fit" verbiage.

https://home.army.mil/knox/applicatio​n​/files/6916/2142/7903/FKKY_General_Ord​er_1_-_17_May_2021.pdf
 
2021-07-20 1:31:07 PM  

GrogSmash: lefty248: Career Killer, worse than an article 15. When I got an article 15 I had to paint everything in the company area.

So explain to those of us who have zero familiarity with the US Army why a GOMOR is such a career killer?  Yes, a letter of reprimand is obviously bad on your permanent record, but so are a lot of things.  What makes this one so special?


This speaks to the Army values, it is an integrity violation. A GOMOR shows on your board file and basically no one with a GOMOR will board well. Having a GOMOR for violating Army Values is a basis to be barred from reenlistment. A bar that lasts six months is grounds for separation.
 
2021-07-20 1:39:10 PM  

Vitamin_R: Resident Muslim: The military is pragmatic. Something that took a whole battleship out of commission will not be taken lightly.

Battleships? The Navy does not have any battleships in commission, and hasn't in some time.


If an aircraft carrier isn't a ship ready for battle then I don't know what is.
There is the figurative and literal and formal. I would say an aircraft carrier described as a battle ship (or battleship) meets up with 2 of 3 of those.
 
2021-07-20 1:52:52 PM  

Walker: "BUT MAH FREDOMS!  TYRANNY! MAH BODY, MY CHOICE!"


Not in the Army, son. You're government property now.
 
2021-07-20 2:37:40 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Yep - that analogy holds quite well


Realizing that makes my sphincter clench a bit. That is a chain of command you do not fark with. It takes a ton to engage it (routine "you farked up, forgot to do ABC but no one got hurt" is handled at chief resident or at worst service attending level) but if you do it's a career-killer.
 
2021-07-20 3:33:12 PM  

Sword and Shield: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Yep - that analogy holds quite well

Realizing that makes my sphincter clench a bit. That is a chain of command you do not fark with. It takes a ton to engage it (routine "you farked up, forgot to do ABC but no one got hurt" is handled at chief resident or at worst service attending level) but if you do it's a career-killer.


That it is, unless you can appeal it successfully - and that's pretty much GFL. Burden of proof is 100% upon you to show that it was unwarranted, based on bullshiat, whatever.  It can be done, I fought off the naval equivalent from a CO that went all Captain Bligh and the strawberries and decided anyone that got hurt was malingering, but it was still farking nasty.  And by, "I fought off" I mean I sat at home while a Marine JAG looked into it, realized there wasn't a damn bit of evidence to support the charge, and got my ass out of it.  Still cost me a mandatory separation (honorable discharge) but by then I was way more than soured on the idea of more Navy bullshiat so that was more than fine

/one reason I may give the jarheads a hard time but I'll never deny they're solid when the shiat hits the fan
//that dude had no reason other than duty to work as hard as he did on undoing that shiat
///and that's exactly what he did, because it was indeed his duty
 
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