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2021-07-19 11:22:17 PM  
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Well, we're boned
 
2021-07-19 11:30:31 PM  

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Well, we're boned


Nice nature goatse you've got there.
 
2021-07-19 11:36:19 PM  
Remember the winter storms in south central US and in Europe due to the polar vortex? "Ha-ha, they say there's global warming and people are freezing to death in friggin' Texas!"

Yeah, what happened there was the equivalent of opening the freezer door to cool down your kitchen after power goes out. It works ― once. And then the food goes bad.

We opened the Northern Hemisphere's freezer door in February. The cold air leaked out, and now it can't help cool in the summer which is why we're seeing 120+℉ in places like British Columbia and Siberia (north of the Arctic Circle), not to mention the aridification of the American West.

This can't be stopped and it can't be reversed and it can't even be mitigated, even if we were to immediately cease all carbon emissions worldwide. It's too late. The clathrate gun has fired and the bullet can't be recalled back to the barrel. Even carbon sequestration won't help because now methane is being released.

Permian Extinction 2.0 at best. Venus Lite quite likely. Full reset button on life on this planet. If we just get Permian Extinction 2.0, the tardigrades will be the only multicellular life to survive, and those microbes that thrive in undersea volcanic vents will be the only microbes. If we get Venus Lite, not even those will survive.
 
2021-07-19 11:38:11 PM  
The permafrost releasing all the methane/gasses they held trapped for hundreds of thousands of years is a nice appetizer, but I don't think we're well-and-truly farked until ocean currents get disrupted.  I give it under 100 years.

/Not a scientist.
 
2021-07-19 11:41:04 PM  

COMALite J: We opened the Northern Hemisphere's freezer door in February. The cold air leaked out, and now it can't help cool in the summer which is why we're seeing 120+℉ in places like British Columbia and Siberia (north of the Arctic Circle), not to mention the aridification of the American West

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That's not how polar vortex events work. They don't "let out the cold air" and make things hot months later.

This can't be stopped and it can't be reversed and it can't even be mitigated, even if we were to immediately cease all carbon emissions worldwide. It's too late. The clathrate gun has fired and the bullet can't be recalled back to the barrel. Even carbon sequestration won't help because now methane is being released.

Clathrates haven't been triggered and probably won't be triggered without a lot more warming.
 
2021-07-20 12:22:03 AM  
Yep. Here comes the crush.

It is only a pitiful drop in the bucket, but the methane harvester in the third Mad Max movie is getting copied at a lot of industrial animal(meat) production facilities just to harvest the methane. Because HEY! it is going to be produced anyway. Might as well collect it and burn it, right?

The Sierra Club is agin' it because it just encourages more meat eating, after all. Why try to improve something when you can just ban something else?
 
2021-07-20 12:34:33 AM  

Ambitwistor: COMALite J: We opened the Northern Hemisphere's freezer door in February. The cold air leaked out, and now it can't help cool in the summer which is why we're seeing 120+℉ in places like British Columbia and Siberia (north of the Arctic Circle), not to mention the aridification of the American West.


Clathrates haven't been triggered and probably won't be triggered without a lot more warming.


Even without the clathrates, there is way too much methane from other sources. The clathrates are not the least of our worries, but they can probably sit on the bench and watch our demise anyway. Increased temps or decreased pressure can release ocean-bottom clathrates, but ocean levels are unlikely to drop much, and temps will not rise that much, and many clathrates are under sediment anyway.

You know, one of the reasons peat bogs exist is their acidity, but another is temperature. All the moss grows and gets packed together and then it dries out over time before it gets a chance to decompose. Well, if you bring up the temperature and humidity, then the soup starts cooking again, just like a cup of noodles. But not locally. GLOBALLY. And Siberia is pretty big.

Because of the way globes work, Siberia looks HUGE compared to the Amazon basin, but it is only twice as big. Not half of that is permafrost, but about half, and bogs and forests. Anyway, it was stuff that the Mongols could ride through pretty quickly. Now it is going to turn into a bunch of bubbling stinky mud infested with mosquitoes.

I hate thinking about it. We are focused on CO2 and doing little about it. Methane is so much worse and we have an avalanche of it coming down the pike.
 
2021-07-20 2:06:53 AM  

COMALite J: Remember the winter storms in south central US and in Europe due to the polar vortex? "Ha-ha, they say there's global warming and people are freezing to death in friggin' Texas!"

Yeah, what happened there was the equivalent of opening the freezer door to cool down your kitchen after power goes out. It works ― once. And then the food goes bad.

We opened the Northern Hemisphere's freezer door in February. The cold air leaked out, and now it can't help cool in the summer which is why we're seeing 120+℉ in places like British Columbia and Siberia (north of the Arctic Circle), not to mention the aridification of the American West.

This can't be stopped and it can't be reversed and it can't even be mitigated, even if we were to immediately cease all carbon emissions worldwide. It's too late. The clathrate gun has fired and the bullet can't be recalled back to the barrel. Even carbon sequestration won't help because now methane is being released.

Permian Extinction 2.0 at best. Venus Lite quite likely. Full reset button on life on this planet. If we just get Permian Extinction 2.0, the tardigrades will be the only multicellular life to survive, and those microbes that thrive in undersea volcanic vents will be the only microbes. If we get Venus Lite, not even those will survive.


We put the heat on simmer awhile back, now things are starting to bubble. Soon it'll be a rolling boil.

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2021-07-20 3:27:36 AM  

Ambitwistor: COMALite J: We opened the Northern Hemisphere's freezer door in February. The cold air leaked out, and now it can't help cool in the summer which is why we're seeing 120+℉ in places like British Columbia and Siberia (north of the Arctic Circle), not to mention the aridification of the American West.

That's not how polar vortex events work. They don't "let out the cold air" and make things hot months later.

This can't be stopped and it can't be reversed and it can't even be mitigated, even if we were to immediately cease all carbon emissions worldwide. It's too late. The clathrate gun has fired and the bullet can't be recalled back to the barrel. Even carbon sequestration won't help because now methane is being released.

Clathrates haven't been triggered and probably won't be triggered without a lot more warming.


https://www.theguardian.com/science/20​20/oct/27/sleeping-giant-arctic-methan​e-deposits-starting-to-release-scienti​sts-find


Well actually.....it very well might have started. The entire global warming process is slow. Too slow for us to really notice. There is not going to be some grand event to tell us ita over. It always has been and always will be like sand in an hourglass. One single grain at a time, and we dont notice anything is wrong till we are up to our neck in sand


We are already well beyond the gobal point of no return. There is no way we can ever fix the damage we caused
 
2021-07-20 3:40:19 AM  
Now it's more like primofrost.
 
2021-07-20 4:56:51 AM  
The McDLT supports for oil pipelines maybe should have been regarded as a forewarning.
 
2021-07-20 6:28:52 AM  
I am doing my part to counteract global warming by buying CO2 cartridges and storing them in my closet. If we all do the same we can all pretend we did something.
 
2021-07-20 6:38:16 AM  

Befuddled: I am doing my part to counteract global warming by buying CO2 cartridges and storing them in my closet. If we all do the same we can all pretend we did something.


I'm going to start flushing a tray of ice a day down the toilet. Global wahwah will never see it coming.
 
2021-07-20 6:44:26 AM  

COMALite J: This can't be stopped and it can't be reversed and it can't even be mitigated, even if we were to immediately cease all carbon emissions worldwide. It's too late. The clathrate gun has fired and the bullet can't be recalled back to the barrel. Even carbon sequestration won't help because now methane is being released.


Good! Finally people would stop moaning about useless and unrealistic attempts for "preservation", huh, and switch to using better and more powerful technology for actual survival in a changing environment.
 
2021-07-20 10:01:38 AM  
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2021-07-20 11:14:43 AM  
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Say Frosty.
 
2021-07-20 12:09:40 PM  

COMALite J: Remember the winter storms in south central US and in Europe due to the polar vortex? "Ha-ha, they say there's global warming and people are freezing to death in friggin' Texas!"

Yeah, what happened there was the equivalent of opening the freezer door to cool down your kitchen after power goes out. It works ― once. And then the food goes bad.

We opened the Northern Hemisphere's freezer door in February. The cold air leaked out, and now it can't help cool in the summer which is why we're seeing 120+℉ in places like British Columbia and Siberia (north of the Arctic Circle), not to mention the aridification of the American West.

This can't be stopped and it can't be reversed and it can't even be mitigated, even if we were to immediately cease all carbon emissions worldwide. It's too late. The clathrate gun has fired and the bullet can't be recalled back to the barrel. Even carbon sequestration won't help because now methane is being released.

Permian Extinction 2.0 at best. Venus Lite quite likely. Full reset button on life on this planet. If we just get Permian Extinction 2.0, the tardigrades will be the only multicellular life to survive, and those microbes that thrive in undersea volcanic vents will be the only microbes. If we get Venus Lite, not even those will survive.


It won't be that bad.  Major extinction event, yes, but not enough to wipe the planet.  Even if we use the big booms fighting over inhabitable real estate it won't go as bad as you are picturing.
 
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