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(Yahoo)   Between 2019's wildfires destroying many vineyards, 2020's grapes all tasty "smoky", a "freakishly" dry winter in 2021, and insurance companies refusing to issue vineyard policies anymore, wine-making in CA's Napa Valley may soon be thing of the past   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-07-19 11:42:03 AM  
mad dog 20/20 and night train is still ok?
 
2021-07-19 11:46:20 AM  
I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.
 
2021-07-19 11:49:17 AM  

whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.


I don't think they price grapes by the gram
 
2021-07-19 11:52:08 AM  

petec: whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.

I don't think they price grapes by the gram


Weed is priced by the pound.  You get about 2-3 pounds from a plant.

It's comparable.
 
2021-07-19 11:52:29 AM  
I just watched Bottle Shock for the first time yesterday, so I am getting a kick out of this thread...
 
2021-07-19 12:01:55 PM  
With an abundance of cheap good-quality wine, they can't increase their price enough to self-insure or anything like that. It would be a shame to lose NV wineries, they make some delicious grape juice, but there are so many other that can replace them worldwide...
 
2021-07-19 12:10:05 PM  

whidbey: petec: whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.

I don't think they price grapes by the gram

Weed is priced by the pound.  You get about 2-3 pounds from a plant.

It's comparable.


Grapes grow by the acre and sell by the ton.

Oregon can pick up most of the slack in reds, but not so much for white wines.
 
2021-07-19 12:12:24 PM  
I learned a lot about wine from a local vintner when his son and mine were friends in HS apparently there is a reason grapes are generally grown in fairly arid climates, a very wet rainy summer will yield you a bumper crop....of table grapes.   To make good wine the flavor has to concentrate and too much water makes the grapes grow to big and fast for that to happen.  Too little rain however and you get raisins which are equally useless.   That means that the spectre of drought is always hanging over a wine crop, and just a little nudge to the local climate can spell disaster, and we've clearly seen that nudge IS happening
 
2021-07-19 12:13:53 PM  

natazha: whidbey: petec: whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.

I don't think they price grapes by the gram

Weed is priced by the pound.  You get about 2-3 pounds from a plant.

It's comparable.

Grapes grow by the acre and sell by the ton.

Oregon can pick up most of the slack in reds, but not so much for white wines.


And it takes years for grapevines to grow and produce instead of months like MJ
 
2021-07-19 12:18:04 PM  

whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.


Yield per acre is low.

Wine grapes need to estivate every year.

The best wine comes from grapes that have experienced water stress and that produce fewer grapes.  A big part of viticulture in many places is vendange verte - green harvest - where you go through in early summer and cut off a lot of the immature clusters.  You might also do midyear pruning if conditions are creating too much foliage.
 
2021-07-19 12:29:26 PM  
When I lived in the bay area every single person that came to visit had to go to Napa and Alcatraz.  I finally just dropped them off at the Alcatraz ferry and went to a bar but I had to take every one of them to Napa.

I now loathe that place.
 
2021-07-19 12:43:16 PM  

whidbey: petec: whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.

I don't think they price grapes by the gram

Weed is priced by the pound.  You get about 2-3 pounds from a plant.

It's comparable.


Is whidbyever right about anything?
 
2021-07-19 12:48:57 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: When I lived in the bay area every single person that came to visit had to go to Napa and Alcatraz.  I finally just dropped them off at the Alcatraz ferry and went to a bar but I had to take every one of them to Napa.

I now loathe that place.


Interesting. Can you provide any details on what you learned to hate about the place? My wife really wants to go to Napa, but I've been trying to avoid it because I suspect it is chock full of pretentious people that will annoy the heck out of me.
 
2021-07-19 12:53:54 PM  
Am I the only one that thinks smoky wine sounds pretty intriguing?

I like a smoky Scotch, smoked meats, smoked fish. I've even smoked fruits and vegetables. I want to try the smoked wine.
 
2021-07-19 12:55:08 PM  

Gravitationally Challenged: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: When I lived in the bay area every single person that came to visit had to go to Napa and Alcatraz.  I finally just dropped them off at the Alcatraz ferry and went to a bar but I had to take every one of them to Napa.

I now loathe that place.

Interesting. Can you provide any details on what you learned to hate about the place? My wife really wants to go to Napa, but I've been trying to avoid it because I suspect it is chock full of pretentious people that will annoy the heck out of me.


It's fine the first time I guess.  Most people's reaction was "this is it?"  The big box wineries can be a bit smug.  If you do go try my favorite lesser known place:

https://www.vsattui.com/

The wine is fantastic.  They have this little deli where you can buy snacks, they will open your wine for you, and you can lay out in the grass and enjoy a nice time.
 
2021-07-19 12:57:59 PM  

ElPrimitivo: Am I the only one that thinks smoky wine sounds pretty intriguing?

I like a smoky Scotch, smoked meats, smoked fish. I've even smoked fruits and vegetables. I want to try the smoked wine.


Smoked by carefully selected and aged wood is different than smoked by forest/brush fires that includes things like houses and automobile. The former might be worth a try. I know Jamaican cigars used to have a slight sweet taste from the burning of the sugar cane fields.
 
2021-07-19 1:05:50 PM  

Harry Wagstaff: ElPrimitivo: Am I the only one that thinks smoky wine sounds pretty intriguing?

I like a smoky Scotch, smoked meats, smoked fish. I've even smoked fruits and vegetables. I want to try the smoked wine.

Smoked by carefully selected and aged wood is different than smoked by forest/brush fires that includes things like houses and automobile. The former might be worth a try. I know Jamaican cigars used to have a slight sweet taste from the burning of the sugar cane fields.


That's a fair point.

Once, as a drunken teenager, cooked hot dogs over burning tires we had found dumped in the woods while camping. Not the best method.

Also wiped my mouth on my shirt and had a black lip print on there that never washed out.
 
2021-07-19 1:12:46 PM  
We have lots of other valleys

/And vineyards
 
2021-07-19 1:17:32 PM  

Gravitationally Challenged: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: When I lived in the bay area every single person that came to visit had to go to Napa and Alcatraz.  I finally just dropped them off at the Alcatraz ferry and went to a bar but I had to take every one of them to Napa.

I now loathe that place.

Interesting. Can you provide any details on what you learned to hate about the place? My wife really wants to go to Napa, but I've been trying to avoid it because I suspect it is chock full of pretentious people that will annoy the heck out of me.


Skip Napa, do the Washington Wine Country.   A lot less pretentious.  Some of them.
 
2021-07-19 1:31:10 PM  

Gravitationally Challenged: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: When I lived in the bay area every single person that came to visit had to go to Napa and Alcatraz.  I finally just dropped them off at the Alcatraz ferry and went to a bar but I had to take every one of them to Napa.

I now loathe that place.

Interesting. Can you provide any details on what you learned to hate about the place? My wife really wants to go to Napa, but I've been trying to avoid it because I suspect it is chock full of pretentious people that will annoy the heck out of me.


It's pretentious, overly expensive, and not that scenic. Sonoma, Russian River Valley, Willamette Valley are nicer, more scenic, and just better overall for 'good' American wines. Napa is two thoroughfares with vineyards in the middle and overpriced stuff everywhere.

For the cost of a week of hotels and restaurants in Napa, you could fly to Italy and get private tastings in various wine regions.

Yes, the wine can be good, but IMO it's overrated.
 
2021-07-19 1:36:29 PM  

whidbey: petec: whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.

I don't think they price grapes by the gram

Weed is priced by the pound.  You get about 2-3 pounds from a plant.

It's comparable.


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6 kilos per square meter, if you are paying attention at all. Let's say that is exaggerating by a factor of 3. It's still 2 kilos.

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2021-07-19 1:39:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We have lots of other valleys

/And vineyards


Because wildfires and drought are only impacting Nappa.  Not the entirety of the west.
 
2021-07-19 1:43:46 PM  

ElPrimitivo: Am I the only one that thinks smoky wine sounds pretty intriguing?

I like a smoky Scotch, smoked meats, smoked fish. I've even smoked fruits and vegetables. I want to try the smoked wine.


I've had a fair amount of them. They vary from interesting to undrinkable. Depending on the varietal and how they are aged you can get subtle smoke flavors that play well with the character of the toasted oak barrels, or something that tastes like a half smoked cheap cigar soaked in grape juice. Thicker skinned grapes like Syrah and Tempranillo tend to handle smoke than something more delicate like Pinot Noir.

The problem is that the flavors evolve over time into something less like smoke and more like a wet ashtray or burned meat. So a wine that tastes good in year one may taste disgusting by year two, which gets complicated by the time needed to barrel age to evolve other desirable flavors. I've only had one wine that actually improved with age, and that was a five year old Syrah.

Now, Syrah itself is a special case because it naturally contains guaiacol, which is one of the main compounds in smoke that causes smoke taint, but we're getting into science and it's too early on a Monday for that.

tl;dr - if you're curious, give it a shot, but don't expect it to taste like Scotch or smoked food.
 
2021-07-19 1:44:59 PM  

petec: whidbey: I wonder why they don't grow grapes indoors, like cannabis.

I don't think they price grapes by the gram


I remember reading about some guy growing grapes in Iowa.  He looked a chart in ag school of the price of crops/acre and [wine] grapes were off the chart.  Not sure if nailing the right vintage every year would help or hurt the price, but I'm guessing that it would kill it.

Wine is effectively a veblen good, and this type of commoditization would likely break the spell.  Granted, it has been going on a honking long time, so expect the first guys to do it to make bank before the collapse.
 
2021-07-19 1:45:58 PM  

NkThrasher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We have lots of other valleys

/And vineyards

Because wildfires and drought are only impacting Nappa.  Not the entirety of the west.


Some places are drier than others at this point

/I give it a few more years before it's all desert
 
2021-07-19 1:49:38 PM  

NkThrasher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We have lots of other valleys

/And vineyards

Because wildfires and drought are only impacting Nappa.  Not the entirety of the west.


Exactly. There's not a smoke barrier protecting Oregon and Washington, which is getting hammered by wildfires again and it's still early in the season.
 
2021-07-19 2:14:37 PM  

testosteronephobe: NkThrasher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We have lots of other valleys

/And vineyards

Because wildfires and drought are only impacting Nappa.  Not the entirety of the west.

Exactly. There's not a smoke barrier protecting Oregon and Washington, which is getting hammered by wildfires again and it's still early in the season.


*crossing fingers*

The visibility has really improved recently here in W Washington, and god I hope we dodge a bullet with those fires.
 
2021-07-19 2:39:49 PM  

whidbey: testosteronephobe: NkThrasher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We have lots of other valleys

/And vineyards

Because wildfires and drought are only impacting Nappa.  Not the entirety of the west.

Exactly. There's not a smoke barrier protecting Oregon and Washington, which is getting hammered by wildfires again and it's still early in the season.

*crossing fingers*

The visibility has really improved recently here in W Washington, and god I hope we dodge a bullet with those fires.


I hope so, too. We're choking smoke east of you.
Whidbey ISLAND? Can't wait to get there in October! One of my favorite places!
 
2021-07-19 3:56:22 PM  
"Napa Valley may soon be thing of the past"


Meh. Before long there won't be any people around to make or drink wine anyway...
 
2021-07-19 4:14:43 PM  
Wine is Napa Valley's only industry. Winery touring is a huge draw for local shops and service stations. People used to come from all over the world just to tour and taste wines. None of it is cheap. If the wine goes Napa Valley will be just another meth-filled California county with a few really rich people surrounded by dystopian poverty.

/ Which is pretty much every Northern California county anyway -- even the Emerald Triangle.
 
2021-07-19 5:51:43 PM  
Xgf's first job out of med lab school (90's) was at beringer in st.helena, 20,000 gallons of fermenting chardonnay rumbles like a train going by.
Lab techs were allowed to take home the day's sample bottles, i'd bring something to cook, russian river was close by, man those were a couple of great years...
 
2021-07-19 8:10:19 PM  

farkregurgitator: Is whidby ever right about anything?


oh look, stupid questions from people incapable of spelling correctly.
 
2021-07-19 9:14:10 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We have lots of other valleys

/And vineyards


Absolutely true... there are vineyards not a mile from my house. Range it out to 5 miles and there are very large vineyards indeed, and within 10 miles that goes up exponentially again.
But then the Tubbs fire burned within 1 mile of my house and the air was so smokey that visibility was down to about 1/4 mile for a week. All those grapes nearby... they were garbage.

When this happens, a lot of things get ruined.

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2021-07-19 9:20:58 PM  

CrazyCurt: Wine is Napa Valley's only industry. Winery touring is a huge draw for local shops and service stations. People used to come from all over the world just to tour and taste wines. None of it is cheap. If the wine goes Napa Valley will be just another meth-filled California county with a few really rich people surrounded by dystopian poverty.

/ Which is pretty much every Northern California county anyway -- even the Emerald Triangle.


Depends what you call "Northern California" then. I live 50 miles north of San Francisco, and there isn't much in the way of meth or dystopian poverty. Sonoma county, for the record...
 
2021-07-20 10:57:15 AM  

Kittypie070: farkregurgitator: Is whidby ever right about anything?

oh look, stupid questions from people incapable of spelling correctly.


Meh, I was walking while typing on my phone. Apparently iPhones don't autocorrect the random names of loudmouth douche-bags on Fark.com, but you probably knew that, right Kitypee070?
 
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