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(Government Executive)   Secretary Griphook lied to Congress about the Census, under oath, twice - but DoJ won't prosecute him, for reasons they've declined to share with the rest of the class   (govexec.com) divider line
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2021-07-19 10:08:42 AM  
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2021-07-19 10:11:38 AM  
It's one big club and you ain't in it.

Oh, you thought Biden and Garland were going to be mean to their friends? HA!
 
2021-07-19 10:22:23 AM  
Because the Executive Branch protects the Executive Branch regardless of party.

Best learn that lesson, son.
 
2021-07-19 10:31:08 AM  
Because he is likely cooperating. The DoJ can always change their mind. It's not a one time ask "NO BACKSIES".
 
2021-07-19 10:35:50 AM  

GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating.


Wilbur, two feet in the grave, Ross?

I'm not sure of many things... but I'm sure he's not cooperating with anything unless they finally decided to go after his many, many, MANY unsavory financial transactions across the globe.
 
2021-07-19 10:39:29 AM  

NewportBarGuy: GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating.

Wilbur, two feet in the grave, Ross?

I'm not sure of many things... but I'm sure he's not cooperating with anything unless they finally decided to go after his many, many, MANY unsavory financial transactions across the globe.


The DOJ isn't prosecuting any criminal politician because they're all cooperating with multiple DOJ investigations that don't currently exist. Or something.
 
2021-07-19 12:59:13 PM  
Make a huge fuss and stop posting "ain't nothing gonna happen" memes and maybe something gonna happen.

/Idiots.
 
2021-07-19 1:22:41 PM  

koder: Make a huge fuss and stop posting "ain't nothing gonna happen" memes and maybe something gonna happen.

/Idiots.


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2021-07-19 1:24:19 PM  
All this everyone sitting around the campfire singing Kim ba yah is bullshiat. Make an example out of these farks.
 
2021-07-19 1:25:16 PM  
Merrick Garland continues to toe the line of the rich and powerful in this country.

A thread: https://twitter.com/sarahkend​zior/stat​us/1402639615325057029
 
2021-07-19 1:25:53 PM  
We already have our toes in authoritarian waters, why not jump all the way in?

Do you want to lose democracy??? Because this how you do it.
 
2021-07-19 1:25:59 PM  
Because they're afraid of pirates?
 
2021-07-19 1:26:48 PM  
LOL

James Clapper lied flat-out to Congress 7 years ago and he never faced anything.  Hell, I think he works for CNN now.

If you think government officials actually get charged with lying to Congress you absolutely have not been paying attention to anything for decades and you should probably just go back to sleep.

Of course, you and me would face serious jail time and huge fines but we're just serfs.
 
2021-07-19 1:30:08 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: NewportBarGuy: GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating.

Wilbur, two feet in the grave, Ross?

I'm not sure of many things... but I'm sure he's not cooperating with anything unless they finally decided to go after his many, many, MANY unsavory financial transactions across the globe.

The DOJ isn't prosecuting any criminal politician because they're all cooperating with multiple DOJ investigations that don't currently exist. Or something.


It will be a Fitzmas miracle! Finally all those criminals in the Bush Administration will be held accountable!
 
2021-07-19 1:33:31 PM  
Sounds like a harry potter character
 
2021-07-19 1:34:58 PM  

PanicAttack: Merrick Garland continues to toe the line of the rich and powerful in this country.

A thread: https://twitter.com/sarahkendz​ior/status/1402639615325057029


I'm trying really hard to have some patience and understanding with Garland. He's only been there since March, he prosecuted the OKC bombing, Obama nominated him for the Supreme Court. But I'm starting to lose my patience with all of this. If we don't prosecute the criminals, they'll think they can get away with it and do more criminaling.
 
2021-07-19 1:36:10 PM  
Hoping it's because Biden has bigger fish to fry than some old dried up geezer that just covered an ass.
 
2021-07-19 1:36:57 PM  
One of the GOP's greatest strengths is spineless Democrats.
 
2021-07-19 1:37:58 PM  
Just as the sun always rises in the east, you can always count on Democrats to disappoint and infuriate their base.
 
2021-07-19 1:40:13 PM  
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Lying liar who lies.
 
2021-07-19 1:44:44 PM  

GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating. The DoJ can always change their mind. It's not a one time ask "NO BACKSIES".


Hilarious.  Just look how Mueller's cooperation deals turned out.
 
2021-07-19 1:49:49 PM  

GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating. The DoJ can always change their mind. It's not a one time ask "NO BACKSIES".


I agree. He's probably cooperating on investigations that the DoJ will fail to prosecute despite the copious evidence of guilt.
 
2021-07-19 1:52:34 PM  
When you think about it, laws are just suggestions.
 
2021-07-19 1:52:52 PM  
If you want members of current or past administrations to be prosecuted, then don't allow the current administration to make the call.
 
2021-07-19 1:53:53 PM  

GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating. The DoJ can always change their mind. It's not a one time ask "NO BACKSIES".


No offense but I've sat by for 4 years now while internet Agatha Christie's, Tom Clancy's (or whoever write political legal thrillers) have pontificated about the 3d chess occurring in the background that will suddenly become apparent and all misdeeds shall be punished.  Except none of that happened.  And none of it will.  It's all just mental masturbation and justice fantasy.  It does no good.


fark this shiat. Ain't nothin gonna happen.
 
2021-07-19 1:54:28 PM  
Ooh ! OOH! I know this one, because Bill Barr so thoughly corrupted the DOJ that he exposed a glaring weakness in our government that needs fixing ASAP , perhaps by creation of a permanent independent counsel office to whom IG's report and gets to make prosecutorial decisions. I DO wonder what the statute of limitations is on this and whether Biden's DOJ an change their mind
 
2021-07-19 1:55:04 PM  

Cache: One of the GOP's greatest strengths is spineless Democrats.


Look: if Democrats didn't capitulate to the GOP every so often, the GOP would just stand lockstep against anything Democrats tried! You don't want that, do you?
 
2021-07-19 1:55:21 PM  
Possible he flipped on someone and they are keeping quiet until they are ready for that someone to know.
 
2021-07-19 2:03:17 PM  
I hope the general doesn't follow the other Griphook's pathway.
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2021-07-19 2:06:16 PM  
If I lied to the federal government on a security clearance form, at a minimum I would lose my job, and at the most I'd be prosecuted and face years in prison as punishment. Wilbur Ross shouldn't be able to get away with this.
 
2021-07-19 2:35:56 PM  

killershark: PanicAttack: Merrick Garland continues to toe the line of the rich and powerful in this country.

A thread: https://twitter.com/sarahkendz​ior/status/1402639615325057029

I'm trying really hard to have some patience and understanding with Garland. He's only been there since March, he prosecuted the OKC bombing, Obama nominated him for the Supreme Court. But I'm starting to lose my patience with all of this. If we don't prosecute the criminals, they'll think they can get away with it and do more criminaling.


I was hoping that he (Garland) was just being thorough and that we'd get a significant list of prosecutions once he settled into his office. Enough time has elapsed, and with his milquetoast approach to the job of rehabilitating the DOJ's integrity and image ... the wrong guy was chosen. Pure and simple.
 
2021-07-19 2:38:39 PM  
Us and Them. Always been that way. Always will be.
 
2021-07-19 2:40:09 PM  
Ok so let's dig into this...

The IG said that 13 Senators wrote a letter to them complaining about Wilbur Ross in May 2019.

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Here's the letter, and the signatories.
https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/med​i​a/doc/FINAL%20Letter%20to%20Justice%20​and%20Commerce%20IGs%20re.%20census%20​citizenship%20question,%205-31-19.pdf

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Also separately, Elijah Cummings, rest his soul, wrote a scathing complaint directly to Wilbur Ross.
https://oversight.house.gov/sites/dem​o​crats.oversight.house.gov/files/2019-0​6-03.EEC%20to%20Ross-DOC%20re%20Census​.pdf

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I know Twitter isn't real life, but if there were something rotten going on I would expect at least one of these Senators to be complaining on Twitter by now, because at least some of them complain a LOT on Twitter about all sorts of stuff.

Brian Schatz - nothing
Chuck Schumer - nothing
Cory Booker - nothing
Richard Blumenthal - nothing
Patty Murray - nothing
Elizabeth Warren - nothing
Michael Bennet - nothing
Jack Reed - nothing
Ron Wyden - today praising DOJ on another action, nothing about this
Tammy Duckworth - nothing
Amy Klobuchar - nothing
Kamala Harris - nothing
Kirsten Gillibrand - nothing

So this silence tells me there is more to this than has been reported so far. I don't know what that means exactly, but we're not getting the full story yet.
 
2021-07-19 2:45:28 PM  
"Class" being the operative word here. Consequences are for poor people. Exterminate the rich!
 
2021-07-19 2:46:56 PM  
Because Garland is a goddamn hack.
 
2021-07-19 2:49:25 PM  

jethroe: LOL

James Clapper lied flat-out to Congress 7 years ago and he never faced anything.  Hell, I think he works for CNN now.

If you think government officials actually get charged with lying to Congress you absolutely have not been paying attention to anything for decades and you should probably just go back to sleep.

Of course, you and me would face serious jail time and huge fines but we're just serfs.


Yup. Kissinger, Bush, Clinton, Trump and about everyone at the state department for the last 50 years should have been sent to prison for lies, war crimes, crimes against humanity, etc... but nobody ever did because America is still Amerikkka and all that ''America is farking great and justice totally exists'' shoved down our throats by Hollywood is a load of BS.
 
2021-07-19 2:56:47 PM  
This bullshiat is exactly why that country is in the horrible farking state it's in right now. You don't punish the people actively working to break society for personsl profit. Stop this stupidity or kiss your "united" states goodbye, from internal farkery.
 
2021-07-19 2:58:36 PM  

koder: Make a huge fuss and stop posting "ain't nothing gonna happen" memes and maybe something gonna happen.

/Idiots.


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2021-07-19 2:59:03 PM  
DoJ won't prosecute him, for reasons they've declined to share with the rest of the class

Spoiler: He's rich
 
2021-07-19 3:01:07 PM  

killershark: PanicAttack: Merrick Garland continues to toe the line of the rich and powerful in this country.

A thread: https://twitter.com/sarahkendz​ior/status/1402639615325057029

I'm trying really hard to have some patience and understanding with Garland. He's only been there since March, he prosecuted the OKC bombing, Obama nominated him for the Supreme Court. But I'm starting to lose my patience with all of this. If we don't prosecute the criminals, they'll think they can get away with it and do more criminaling.


Obama nominated him to the Supreme Court in an attempt to please Mitch McConnell.
 
2021-07-19 3:03:21 PM  
Why the f*** not???

What the hell is the disincentive for the next bad actor?
 
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2021-07-19 3:07:30 PM  

RasIanI: Why the f*** not???

What the hell is the disincentive for the next bad actor?


Came to post this. Failure to pursue this is tacit approval for other officials to lie.
 
2021-07-19 3:07:56 PM  
Instead they are going to make him stay up for 5 hours straight. That will be punishment enough.
 
2021-07-19 3:14:57 PM  

RasIanI: Why the f*** not???

What the hell is the disincentive for the next bad actor?


Quite the opposite.
 
2021-07-19 3:15:53 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Because the Executive Branch protects the Executive Branch regardless of party.

Best learn that lesson, son.


Yeah, can't wait till the GOP takes the executive and forgoes that unwritten rule.
 
2021-07-19 3:20:31 PM  
So did we ever finish the census so the GOP could get their gerrymandering on?
 
2021-07-19 3:22:51 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: NewportBarGuy: GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating.

Wilbur, two feet in the grave, Ross?

I'm not sure of many things... but I'm sure he's not cooperating with anything unless they finally decided to go after his many, many, MANY unsavory financial transactions across the globe.

The DOJ isn't prosecuting any criminal politician because they're all cooperating with multiple DOJ investigations that don't currently exist. Or something.


Actually, it's because it's hard to prove intent.

Lying to blank or perjury is hard to prove because of the intent element. When possible they go for lack of candor type offenses, which doesn't have the same proof requirements.
 
2021-07-19 3:28:47 PM  
The real solution is to have another census. The Constitution only says "within every ten years" not "ten years" specifically
 
2021-07-19 3:31:02 PM  

zeroman987: Actually, it's because it's hard to prove intent.


This is the most bullshiat bullshiat that ever got itself shiat from a bull.

Only when it comes to wealthy-people crime - lying to Congress, no-showing for a subpoena, tax fraud, war crimes, campaign finance violations, and on and on...only then does intent matter for some reason. Everyone else, ignorance of the law is not an excuse and your ass is in prison.

The only intent that's hard to prove is that Garland and other DOJ officials are intent upon upholding the rule of law.
 
2021-07-19 3:36:59 PM  

zeroman987: AdmirableSnackbar: NewportBarGuy: GardenWeasel: Because he is likely cooperating.

Wilbur, two feet in the grave, Ross?

I'm not sure of many things... but I'm sure he's not cooperating with anything unless they finally decided to go after his many, many, MANY unsavory financial transactions across the globe.

The DOJ isn't prosecuting any criminal politician because they're all cooperating with multiple DOJ investigations that don't currently exist. Or something.

Actually, it's because it's hard to prove intent.

Lying to blank or perjury is hard to prove because of the intent element. When possible they go for lack of candor type offenses, which doesn't have the same proof requirements.


So, it's a useless law then. 

No wonder this country is going under.
 
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