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2021-07-19 9:07:16 AM  
Why Darth Hoodie put Tawmee down as "questionable" every week?
 
2021-07-19 9:30:58 AM  
Wow, some people just can't stand a winner.
 
2021-07-19 9:43:34 AM  
Next years injury report.

Tampa Bay: Tom Brady:  old age
 
2021-07-19 9:45:25 AM  
Why is that even a rule? For the gamblers?
 
2021-07-19 10:01:56 AM  
So either Brady lied about the injury to puff up his own legend, or he totally screwed the buccs.

Ha!
 
2021-07-19 10:02:15 AM  

jaylectricity: Why is that even a rule? For the gamblers?


I dunno, but I like hockey, which I believe only has two injuries:  upper body, and lower body.  Prevents targeting.
 
2021-07-19 10:05:21 AM  

jaylectricity: Why is that even a rule? For the gamblers?


Yes, as explained by Damon Wayans in The Last Boy Scout.
 
2021-07-19 10:06:02 AM  

Dr.Fey: jaylectricity: Why is that even a rule? For the gamblers?

I dunno, but I like hockey, which I believe only has two injuries:  upper body, and lower body.  Prevents targeting.


While hockey is rather minimalist, the current trend to be 'out with a knee' or 'out with a groin' is one of the few recent changes to sports reporting that I like.
 
2021-07-19 10:12:27 AM  
Yet another old man who just will not ever shut up about his medical conditions
 
2021-07-19 10:24:05 AM  
Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?

/This is out of genuine curiosity, by the way. No editorializing intended.
 
2021-07-19 10:25:17 AM  
The league doesn't have the balls to enforce its own rule in this case.
 
2021-07-19 10:28:45 AM  
OK I could see them doing something to the team and coach, but why suspend Brady? He didn't write the reports, as long as he told the team what the problem was, it's on them to report it.
 
2021-07-19 10:38:45 AM  

iron_city_ap: The league doesn't have the balls to enforce its own rule in this case.


No, it does have the balls, but they mysteriously deflate when Brady is involved.
 
2021-07-19 10:46:44 AM  

wademh: Next years injury report.

Tampa Bay: Tom Brady:  old age


It's been done before!

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/3/2​5​/2902424/tim-duncan-old-did-not-play-b​ox-score-spurs
 
2021-07-19 10:49:34 AM  

cptrios: Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?

/This is out of genuine curiosity, by the way. No editorializing intended.


My guess is two reasons:

1. Gambling

2. It's considered competitive fairness for all injuries and their potential for affecting the game to be disclosed to the other team.  Makes for a better game when all teams can plan accordingly.
 
2021-07-19 10:50:03 AM  

punkwrestler: OK I could see them doing something to the team and coach, but why suspend Brady? He didn't write the reports, as long as he told the team what the problem was, it's on them to report it.


Uh, because *he* knew his own injury AND because if his team isn't following the rule he has a duty to whistleblow to the league about it.

I keep trying to explain this to my cow-orkers in my public employment/union job that "I was only following orders" and "that's Management's problem" are not excuses or going to protect them when something becomes public about corruption or negligence.  The union is supposed to protect employees from whistleblowing retaliation, not protect employees from discipline for failure to report violations of the law.  In other words, one is supposed to do the Right Thing and be protected for doing it, instead of not reporting or ignoring the issue and then being protected when management looks for a scapegoat.

If Brady is expected to know this rule and he chose to not report the infraction to the League, throw the effing book at him.  Especially because he benefitted from others not having this information.

/8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender.
 
2021-07-19 10:53:17 AM  

cptrios: Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?

/This is out of genuine curiosity, by the way. No editorializing intended.


My understanding without doing any research: It affects gambling and fantasy sports. Those drive interest in the league. It also prevents teams from hiding injuries and putting a player on the field that really shouldn't be there.
 
2021-07-19 10:55:16 AM  

wademh: Next years injury report.

Tampa Bay: Tom Brady:  old age


Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger: Feelings, ego, and old age.

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2021-07-19 10:59:32 AM  
Whaddya expect from a Wolverine?
 
2021-07-19 11:04:18 AM  

null: /8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender


I realize this gives you a tingle, but that won't happen. I doubt anyone gets suspended.
 
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2021-07-19 11:05:28 AM  

null: punkwrestler: OK I could see them doing something to the team and coach, but why suspend Brady? He didn't write the reports, as long as he told the team what the problem was, it's on them to report it.

Uh, because *he* knew his own injury AND because if his team isn't following the rule he has a duty to whistleblow to the league about it.

I keep trying to explain this to my cow-orkers in my public employment/union job that "I was only following orders" and "that's Management's problem" are not excuses or going to protect them when something becomes public about corruption or negligence.  The union is supposed to protect employees from whistleblowing retaliation, not protect employees from discipline for failure to report violations of the law.  In other words, one is supposed to do the Right Thing and be protected for doing it, instead of not reporting or ignoring the issue and then being protected when management looks for a scapegoat.

If Brady is expected to know this rule and he chose to not report the infraction to the League, throw the effing book at him.  Especially because he benefitted from others not having this information.

/8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender.


Still totally fine to swing a helmet at another players head though, right?
 
2021-07-19 11:06:11 AM  

jaylectricity: Why is that even a rule? For the gamblers?


One part of it is you spend the week preparing for a particular player in a particular position.  What if they report on game day that oh yeah that guy was out all week and now game day with a broken leg?  Now your plans are shiat.

This is also why you now have that independent neurologist who can stop the game, so the team doctors don't put someone with a concussion back on the field.  No shenanigans.

And another factor is pay.  Per-game bonuses.  Can't play, can't get paid.  Which factors into what other players elsewhere get paid since they all base each other's contracts and negotiations on the deals that others get.  So if someone on Team A is lying about status and really should not be dressed ready to play and yet gets $200k per game bonus paid, that is not fair when that deal is used by Player B and his agent negotiating with Team B.
 
2021-07-19 11:11:12 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: cptrios: Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?

/This is out of genuine curiosity, by the way. No editorializing intended.

My understanding without doing any research: It affects gambling and fantasy sports. Those drive interest in the league. It also prevents teams from hiding injuries and putting a player on the field that really shouldn't be there.


It goes back to gambling and an event in 1947, yes.

Insider information that affects the line and could screw the sports books.

But it also affects the game for reasons listed above.
 
2021-07-19 11:17:38 AM  

151: null: punkwrestler: OK I could see them doing something to the team and coach, but why suspend Brady? He didn't write the reports, as long as he told the team what the problem was, it's on them to report it.

Uh, because *he* knew his own injury AND because if his team isn't following the rule he has a duty to whistleblow to the league about it.

I keep trying to explain this to my cow-orkers in my public employment/union job that "I was only following orders" and "that's Management's problem" are not excuses or going to protect them when something becomes public about corruption or negligence.  The union is supposed to protect employees from whistleblowing retaliation, not protect employees from discipline for failure to report violations of the law.  In other words, one is supposed to do the Right Thing and be protected for doing it, instead of not reporting or ignoring the issue and then being protected when management looks for a scapegoat.

If Brady is expected to know this rule and he chose to not report the infraction to the League, throw the effing book at him.  Especially because he benefitted from others not having this information.

/8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender.

Still totally fine to swing a helmet at another players head though, right?


Oh hey don't forget that Mason Rudolph was playing in that game after the Steelers lied about Rapey Ben's status on the injury report and that the Steelers and Tomlin got fined over it.  It's in the fine article for you to read.
 
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2021-07-19 11:22:12 AM  

null: 151: null: punkwrestler: OK I could see them doing something to the team and coach, but why suspend Brady? He didn't write the reports, as long as he told the team what the problem was, it's on them to report it.

Uh, because *he* knew his own injury AND because if his team isn't following the rule he has a duty to whistleblow to the league about it.

I keep trying to explain this to my cow-orkers in my public employment/union job that "I was only following orders" and "that's Management's problem" are not excuses or going to protect them when something becomes public about corruption or negligence.  The union is supposed to protect employees from whistleblowing retaliation, not protect employees from discipline for failure to report violations of the law.  In other words, one is supposed to do the Right Thing and be protected for doing it, instead of not reporting or ignoring the issue and then being protected when management looks for a scapegoat.

If Brady is expected to know this rule and he chose to not report the infraction to the League, throw the effing book at him.  Especially because he benefitted from others not having this information.

/8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender.

Still totally fine to swing a helmet at another players head though, right?

Oh hey don't forget that Mason Rudolph was playing in that game after the Steelers lied about Rapey Ben's status on the injury report and that the Steelers and Tomlin got fined over it.  It's in the fine article for you to read.


So that's a yes regarding swinging a helmet at another players head.

"Do the right thing". Lmao
 
2021-07-19 11:23:00 AM  
I'm sure the Bucs will have no problem coughing up the $150k fine. The sales of Super Bowl merch will easily cover that.
 
2021-07-19 11:34:03 AM  
Cam Newton should be suspended indefinitely then.
 
2021-07-19 11:42:02 AM  
Ain't nuthin gonna happen. He's not on the Patriots anymore, so "parity" is just fine.
 
2021-07-19 11:59:38 AM  

cptrios: Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?

/This is out of genuine curiosity, by the way. No editorializing intended.


Not sure.  NFL is very particular on making sure you report any and all injuries, even if they're minor enough you won't realistically miss any games over it.  They're not big on allowing teams to hide injuries.  I'm sure there might be some sort of competitive fairness thing... and fantasy sports might even play a factor.


Some Bass Playing Guy: null: /8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender

I realize this gives you a tingle, but that won't happen. I doubt anyone gets suspended.


It's a moderate fine, and that's it.  It's not remotely uncommon either because the NFL rules about it are so strict.  I realize people have an unhealthy hatred of the guy, but it's a minor fine for the team and that's it.

In a worst case scenario of a team that willfully and egregiously violates the rule repeatedly for multiple injuries and people people over the course of an entire season (there's really no good reason to, so I doubt anyone ever would), that MIGHT result in sanctions like loss of draft picks or something... but in no circumstances would a suspension of anyone factor in.  That wouldn't even make sense.

(And if a player willfully hides an injury from a team, that would be an internal team discipline, but that obviously wasn't the case here)
 
2021-07-19 12:01:26 PM  

null: Jumpthruhoops: cptrios: Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?

/This is out of genuine curiosity, by the way. No editorializing intended.

My understanding without doing any research: It affects gambling and fantasy sports. Those drive interest in the league. It also prevents teams from hiding injuries and putting a player on the field that really shouldn't be there.

It goes back to gambling and an event in 1947, yes.

Insider information that affects the line and could screw the sports books.

But it also affects the game for reasons listed above.


1947?

Games are no longer played on Tuesdays?
 
2021-07-19 12:02:41 PM  

151: null: 151: null: punkwrestler: OK I could see them doing something to the team and coach, but why suspend Brady? He didn't write the reports, as long as he told the team what the problem was, it's on them to report it.

Uh, because *he* knew his own injury AND because if his team isn't following the rule he has a duty to whistleblow to the league about it.

I keep trying to explain this to my cow-orkers in my public employment/union job that "I was only following orders" and "that's Management's problem" are not excuses or going to protect them when something becomes public about corruption or negligence.  The union is supposed to protect employees from whistleblowing retaliation, not protect employees from discipline for failure to report violations of the law.  In other words, one is supposed to do the Right Thing and be protected for doing it, instead of not reporting or ignoring the issue and then being protected when management looks for a scapegoat.

If Brady is expected to know this rule and he chose to not report the infraction to the League, throw the effing book at him.  Especially because he benefitted from others not having this information.

/8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender.

Still totally fine to swing a helmet at another players head though, right?

Oh hey don't forget that Mason Rudolph was playing in that game after the Steelers lied about Rapey Ben's status on the injury report and that the Steelers and Tomlin got fined over it.  It's in the fine article for you to read.

So that's a yes regarding swinging a helmet at another players head.

"Do the right thing". Lmao


Got any more off topic or personal attacks you want to get off your chest?  I mean we know you're still salty that your team went from 11-0 to losing to the Browns, twice in a row, the last time with the Browns missing their head coach, after failing to live up to all that smack talk.  If having to talk shiat here stops you from bawling into your little yellow crying towel over how bad your team collapsed, then whatever.  At least Cleveland fans took out their frustrations on the team and ownership and even held a Parade to celebrate the failure.  Man up and own your own shiatty team and shiatty players.
 
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2021-07-19 12:05:23 PM  

null: 151: null: 151: null: punkwrestler: OK I could see them doing something to the team and coach, but why suspend Brady? He didn't write the reports, as long as he told the team what the problem was, it's on them to report it.

Uh, because *he* knew his own injury AND because if his team isn't following the rule he has a duty to whistleblow to the league about it.

I keep trying to explain this to my cow-orkers in my public employment/union job that "I was only following orders" and "that's Management's problem" are not excuses or going to protect them when something becomes public about corruption or negligence.  The union is supposed to protect employees from whistleblowing retaliation, not protect employees from discipline for failure to report violations of the law.  In other words, one is supposed to do the Right Thing and be protected for doing it, instead of not reporting or ignoring the issue and then being protected when management looks for a scapegoat.

If Brady is expected to know this rule and he chose to not report the infraction to the League, throw the effing book at him.  Especially because he benefitted from others not having this information.

/8 game suspension minimum.  Repeat offender.

Still totally fine to swing a helmet at another players head though, right?

Oh hey don't forget that Mason Rudolph was playing in that game after the Steelers lied about Rapey Ben's status on the injury report and that the Steelers and Tomlin got fined over it.  It's in the fine article for you to read.

So that's a yes regarding swinging a helmet at another players head.

"Do the right thing". Lmao

Got any more off topic or personal attacks you want to get off your chest?  I mean we know you're still salty that your team went from 11-0 to losing to the Browns, twice in a row, the last time with the Browns missing their head coach, after failing to live up to all that smack talk.  If having to talk shiat here stops you from bawling into your little yellow crying towel over how bad your team collapsed, then whatever.  At least Cleveland fans took out their frustrations on the team and ownership and even held a Parade to celebrate the failure.  Man up and own your own shiatty team and shiatty players.


I do own my teams shiatty players. Suh was and is a scumbag.

I do not white knight them like you do, then turn around and preach about doing the right thing.
 
2021-07-19 12:09:43 PM  

null: jaylectricity: Why is that even a rule? For the gamblers?

One part of it is you spend the week preparing for a particular player in a particular position.  What if they report on game day that oh yeah that guy was out all week and now game day with a broken leg?  Now your plans are shiat.

This is also why you now have that independent neurologist who can stop the game, so the team doctors don't put someone with a concussion back on the field.  No shenanigans.

And another factor is pay.  Per-game bonuses.  Can't play, can't get paid.  Which factors into what other players elsewhere get paid since they all base each other's contracts and negotiations on the deals that others get.  So if someone on Team A is lying about status and really should not be dressed ready to play and yet gets $200k per game bonus paid, that is not fair when that deal is used by Player B and his agent negotiating with Team B.


They could always just bench the guy for non-injury reasons and you're in the same boat.

Having to lock rosters so you can't throw injury replacements onto the active roster makes sense.

Having to disclose injuries is for the gamblers and fantasy players.

/granted, it would make fantasy miserable to do otherwise.
 
2021-07-19 12:17:13 PM  
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2021-07-19 12:31:17 PM  
Brady, Tom - QUESTIONABLE (shoulder)
Porter, Joey - PROBABLE (gunshot)
Combs, Ray - OUT (noose)
 
2021-07-19 12:37:51 PM  
This is just the Vegas button that goes directly to Goodell's phone.  Nothing less.
I just love the cause and effect.  Reporting the injury moves the line(s) away from the Bucs.  But the Bucs win the Super Bowl and thus the outcome renders the injury inconsequential in the won - lost column... but the gambling winnings were only a percentage of what they could have been.
 
2021-07-19 12:57:06 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: This is just the Vegas button that goes directly to Goodell's phone.  Nothing less.
I just love the cause and effect.  Reporting the injury moves the line(s) away from the Bucs.  But the Bucs win the Super Bowl and thus the outcome renders the injury inconsequential in the won - lost column... but the gambling winnings were only a percentage of what they could have been.


It's either fine the Bucs for every week/game in which they were in violation of the rule, or do away with the rule.

something something precedence something something.

I have a guess as to which of the two options is the more probable outcome.
 
2021-07-19 12:57:53 PM  

null: iron_city_ap: The league doesn't have the balls to enforce its own rule in this case.

No, it does have the balls, but they mysteriously deflate when Brady is involved.


Bullshiat.  Brady got four games for what is considered a uniform violation.
 
2021-07-19 1:24:28 PM  

jaylectricity: Why is that even a rule? For the gamblers?


To make sure Sean Payton knows exactly where his players need to hit people.
 
2021-07-19 1:57:04 PM  
team fine, fine brady and the coach,take away 1-2 draft picks for 1-2 years.  no way they suspend brady (though they should).
 
2021-07-19 2:07:37 PM  

rickythepenguin: no way they suspend brady (though they should).


The head coach didn't report the player as injured, so the player should be punished?

This... this right here is a Bad Take.
 
2021-07-19 2:10:48 PM  

mjbok: null: iron_city_ap: The league doesn't have the balls to enforce its own rule in this case.

No, it does have the balls, but they mysteriously deflate when Brady is involved.

Bullshiat.  Brady got four games for what is considered a uniform violation.


Technically, Brady's suspension was for wiping his personal phone before turning it over to the NFL right in the middle of The Fappening.
 
2021-07-19 2:19:49 PM  
If he was able to start every regular/post season game and perform at a high enough level (if you ignore an occasional failure to remember the down) to win the championship, can we really say he was injured?

I'm not saying to ignore the rule, and if the league determines a punishment is appropriate then I won't object, since it does center around player safety, but from a fair-play or even a gambling perspective, they seem to have been acting within the spirit of the rule if not the letter.
 
2021-07-19 2:25:23 PM  

Gonz: rickythepenguin: no way they suspend brady (though they should).

The head coach didn't report the player as injured, so the player should be punished?

This... this right here is a Bad Take.



did brady not know he was injured?  i say he had a duty to disclose it.  plus he's already been punished so he of all players should know not to fark around with the NFL.

"Hey tom, we know your MCL is torn, but, let's not say anything about it, nnnnkay?  Tom Brady at 85% is bettern than our backup at 100%, capisce?"  "You got it, coach.  Mum's the word!"
 
2021-07-19 2:25:44 PM  

cptrios: Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?

/This is out of genuine curiosity, by the way. No editorializing intended.


Teams and/or coaches have historically told players, especially key players, to suck it up and wait for the post season to heal up. Requiring teams to make information like this public provides some protection for players who in some cases might be pressured to play against their own health interest. Their only other alternative might be to go public, which the team or teammates might see as a betrayal.
 
2021-07-19 2:34:19 PM  

cptrios: Can someone explain to me why it's required to report an injury like that? What's the actual motivation?


there are tons of reasons, but as noted above, i think ultimately it goes to integrity of the game.  betting has an aspect of it although the NFL would never admit it.  one, it protects the player, as if the doctor says he shouldn't play but does, and gets injured, the player would probably have recourse against the team (unless, as appears here, Tom agreed to keep the injury secret).  (and tangent:  it isn't like Brady is a RPO / running threat, so if he gets in trouble he can just throw the ball OOB or take a sack;  depending on how badly the MCL was injured, he as we saw can be prety functional.)

it also protects the team, for the same reason.  "hey man, sorry you tore you knee to ribbons, we had you on the injury list, you chose to play through it, sorry."

the NFL and NFLPA also have limits on the number of practices, and how many can be full contact.  The NFL so monitors this to the point where all practices are taped.  this is so that the NFL can ensure compliance with # of practices / how many full contact. Just a few weeks ago 2-3 NFL teams got disciplined for basically, illegal practices:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports​/​nfl/2021/07/01/nfl-fines-cowboys-jagua​rs-niners-violating-ota-practice-rules​/7833386002/

Under the CBA agreement, all teams must film their OTA practices that allow the league reviewing capability to review to enforce the non-contact rule.

practices are also filmed to ensure teams aren't having farkery with the injury report.  if they list Star Player as "OUT (knee) and then the practice tape shows him  blazing all over the field, the NFL has video proof of how the player performed.

basically there's a ton of different reasons, no one reason.
 
2021-07-19 2:50:48 PM  

meanmutton: mjbok: null: iron_city_ap: The league doesn't have the balls to enforce its own rule in this case.

No, it does have the balls, but they mysteriously deflate when Brady is involved.

Bullshiat.  Brady got four games for what is considered a uniform violation.

Technically, Brady's suspension was for wiping his personal phone before turning it over to the NFL right in the middle of The Fappening.


The original issue (deflation of footballs) should have been a fine at most
 
2021-07-19 4:31:34 PM  

rickythepenguin: Gonz: rickythepenguin: no way they suspend brady (though they should).

The head coach didn't report the player as injured, so the player should be punished?

This... this right here is a Bad Take.


did brady not know he was injured?  i say he had a duty to disclose it.  plus he's already been punished so he of all players should know not to fark around with the NFL.

"Hey tom, we know your MCL is torn, but, let's not say anything about it, nnnnkay?  Tom Brady at 85% is bettern than our backup at 100%, capisce?"  "You got it, coach.  Mum's the word!"


Sort of splitting hairs, but without having read the details, I'd guess injury reporting is more on the organization than on the individual players.  And that leads to wanting to understand who knew what and when they knew it.
Then again, Brady is a tough one because he seems to be pretty strict about not using team resources for training, treatment, or rehab.  Or sunblock.  So I guess that puts some responsibility back on the player.  Makes you wonder.
 
2021-07-19 7:00:52 PM  
Tell ya what though. Brady's career will be over once the NFL starts testing for adrenochrome. He'll be 58 of course, but, then... over.
 
2021-07-19 8:57:13 PM  
Couldn't reported injuries be exploited by the opposing teams? If Brady had reported his torn MCL, other teams could have targeted that leg....oh wait, they don't do that kind of stuff in the NFL...
 
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