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2021-07-17 11:03:02 PM  
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While that's cool to read, no snark, that's just a snippet from the full interview which fills out things a lot more: 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/​t​v-features/loki-episode-6-ending-kate-​herron-alternate-scenes-1234984129/

Marvel has had the Multiverse for decades. The point of Kang (and Kangs) is, similar to the Infinity Stones showing us that there's power greater than them, the end-all, be-all is not with Thanos. There's much, much more powerful and scary beings out there. 

And that's the best summary possible. Thanos + Time Stones = we were all pretty much on the edge of our seats. Now we've god a big bad who not only can do apocalyptic schitt in just one universe........but in all of them.

Thanos' schmuckery killed half of all life in the entire universe. Kang's nonsense affects all of entirety, completely.
 
2021-07-17 11:44:48 PM  
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2021-07-17 11:54:10 PM  
Yeah, looks like the MCU is gonna keep my interest after all.  I was underwhelmed by WandaVision and The Falcon and Winter Soldier stories, and frankly I only gave Loki a chance because I was bored one night.  Probably what they had in mind for guys like me, throw three stories at me and one of them is bound to stick.
 
2021-07-17 11:58:07 PM  
Whar Galactus, whar
 
2021-07-18 1:26:40 AM  
Oh that Loki. What a trickster.
 
2021-07-18 2:55:19 AM  

no1curr: Whar Galactus, whar


Whar Doom, whar
 
2021-07-18 3:06:47 AM  

Space Station Wagon: no1curr: Whar Galactus, whar

Whar Doom, whar


i'm hoping reed richards is going to be be called in to deal with his future descendant.
 
2021-07-18 3:07:32 AM  
Except Loki doesn't introduce the multiverse. It raises questions about how the TVA supposedly prevented any multiverse timelines, when that was such a major aspect of Endgame. Variant Thanos pops out of a branched timeline and that leads to Tony Stark's death and the destruction of Avengers HQ. Black Widow dies in that branched timeline. Captain America retires in a different alternate timeline for decades before returning to the "main" one. Having the TVA break down and allow the multiverse to take shape isn't changing the MCU, it's restoring the already established status quo.

And the rules for stopping a multiverse breach aren't even close to being consistent in Loki. Branches have to be stopped within minutes of forming, lest they go too far. But you'd have to have long-formed alternate realities for all the fully matured Loki variants to be running around. Sylvie is at least eight to ten years old before the TVA takes notice of her, Classic Loki had to have been around far longer, and whatever events led to Alligator Loki might have happened years before he ever hatched. The show's self-stated rules about blocking the multiverse from happening haven't made sense from the beginning, nor did it fit in a continuity where the "time heist" took place. Far from clarifying anything, Loki just muddied the waters.
 
2021-07-18 4:10:52 AM  
Znuh:

Thanks for adequately explaining why no one cares any more.

Why every marvel movie from here on out will be brought back to earth, and won't make a billion dollars a movie any more.
 
2021-07-18 4:35:36 AM  

EdgeRunner: Except Loki doesn't introduce the multiverse. It raises questions about how the TVA supposedly prevented any multiverse timelines, when that was such a major aspect of Endgame. Variant Thanos pops out of a branched timeline and that leads to Tony Stark's death and the destruction of Avengers HQ. Black Widow dies in that branched timeline. Captain America retires in a different alternate timeline for decades before returning to the "main" one. Having the TVA break down and allow the multiverse to take shape isn't changing the MCU, it's restoring the already established status quo.

And the rules for stopping a multiverse breach aren't even close to being consistent in Loki. Branches have to be stopped within minutes of forming, lest they go too far. But you'd have to have long-formed alternate realities for all the fully matured Loki variants to be running around. Sylvie is at least eight to ten years old before the TVA takes notice of her, Classic Loki had to have been around far longer, and whatever events led to Alligator Loki might have happened years before he ever hatched. The show's self-stated rules about blocking the multiverse from happening haven't made sense from the beginning, nor did it fit in a continuity where the "time heist" took place. Far from clarifying anything, Loki just muddied the waters.


It's simple: any "nexus" event that leads to Bad Guy Kang running the show, or worse, is pruned so the only multiverses that exist are the ones that lead to the events of Loki.  Loki-gator's timeline led to Kangator taking over, so he had to go.  There have to be timelines where Kang never happened; these can probably be safely discounted.  The whole point is to not spawn a Kang or other situation where the timelines go to war.
 
2021-07-18 4:54:29 AM  

Znuh: Thanos' schmuckery killed half of all life in the entire universe. Kang's nonsense affects all of entirety, completely.


It's a great premise but here's the problem: Kang is just a guy. A smart guy who found a way to exist outside of time. That's cool. Good for him. But he's not the only one who lives like that. There are far older, more powerful beings that also exist in that state (hell, we've already met one: Dormammu).... and what are they doing? Sitting on their thumbs while Kang sets up the TVA to shut down the multiverse? ....why?

Because... well, take a look at this:

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(original is here if Fark makes it too small to read)

At some point one or more of these entities ought to show up in Kang's Citadel wanting to know just who the fark does he think he is and what the fark does he think he's doing.

There are far more ancient, more powerful and more evil things to worry about than alternate reality Nathaniel Richardses. He's just a more ambitious and less alcoholic Rick Sanchez. It's not like he's actually in charge of any aspect of reality.
 
2021-07-18 5:20:25 AM  

no1curr: Whar Galactus, whar


Not until they get F4 right.
 
2021-07-18 5:28:48 AM  

EdgeRunner: And the rules for stopping a multiverse breach aren't even close to being consistent in Loki. Branches have to be stopped within minutes of forming, lest they go too far. But you'd have to have long-formed alternate realities for all the fully matured Loki variants to be running around. Sylvie is at least eight to ten years old before the TVA takes notice of her, Classic Loki had to have been around far longer, and whatever events led to Alligator Loki might have happened years before he ever hatched.


No, this is not what they looking for. It's not about Loki, it's about Nathaniel Richards (NR).

They are detecting alternative timelines for NR probabilities. He is ground zero for the multiverse war therefore it is in the interests of He Who Remains to minimize, sanitize, or eliminate all universes with NRs in them (or more specifically: Universes with NRs who eventually grow up to become scientists and detect other universes with NRs in them). The longer a universe is allowed to exist, the greater the probability of an NR from another universe discovering it and farking it up.

Remember: He Who Remains didn't say he got rid of all universes (that would be impossible). He just found a way to isolate and protect his own, to prevent any NRs from finding him and farking things up.

But in this specific circumstance he was also looking for a successor so he might've given Loki some leeway.
 
2021-07-18 5:57:47 AM  
Gee, with a Multiverse of Madness in the wings, and Into the Spiderverse out there, this and WandaVision were just ways to show HOW things are coming to a head.

Let us pause though, and remember not only has the MCU given us a canon Howard the Duck, but also a Frog Thor and Spider Ham, and revel in those universal splits that left their traces, showing that the TVA has been screwing up for a while.
 
2021-07-18 6:20:43 AM  
No it didn't. It set up nerd exposition for whatever the next wave of films will cover.
Look. I've enjoyed all 3 recent Marvel series. They're well-done. But they are ultimately disappointing as they come down to commercials for future content.
 
2021-07-18 6:26:14 AM  

swahnhennessy: No it didn't. It set up nerd exposition for whatever the next wave of films will cover.
Look. I've enjoyed all 3 recent Marvel series. They're well-done. But they are ultimately disappointing as they come down to commercials for future content.


Everything is a commercial for a sequel, and has been for the past 20 years.
 
2021-07-18 6:30:14 AM  

null: swahnhennessy: No it didn't. It set up nerd exposition for whatever the next wave of films will cover.
Look. I've enjoyed all 3 recent Marvel series. They're well-done. But they are ultimately disappointing as they come down to commercials for future content.

Everything is a commercial for a sequel, and has been for the past 20 years.


Well, my inner cynic can't argue.
 
2021-07-18 6:30:52 AM  
Whar Living Tribunal whar?
 
2021-07-18 6:33:53 AM  

EdgeRunner: Except Loki doesn't introduce the multiverse. It raises questions about how the TVA supposedly prevented any multiverse timelines, when that was such a major aspect of Endgame. Variant Thanos pops out of a branched timeline and that leads to Tony Stark's death and the destruction of Avengers HQ. Black Widow dies in that branched timeline. Captain America retires in a different alternate timeline for decades before returning to the "main" one. Having the TVA break down and allow the multiverse to take shape isn't changing the MCU, it's restoring the already established status quo.

And the rules for stopping a multiverse breach aren't even close to being consistent in Loki. Branches have to be stopped within minutes of forming, lest they go too far. But you'd have to have long-formed alternate realities for all the fully matured Loki variants to be running around. Sylvie is at least eight to ten years old before the TVA takes notice of her, Classic Loki had to have been around far longer, and whatever events led to Alligator Loki might have happened years before he ever hatched. The show's self-stated rules about blocking the multiverse from happening haven't made sense from the beginning, nor did it fit in a continuity where the "time heist" took place. Far from clarifying anything, Loki just muddied the waters.


The problem with restoring the status quo is that it renders consequences and sacrifices moot.

This is part of why I stopped reading comics. Death was always made irrelevant because the character would be back a few issues down the line. Maybe with a tweaked costume and/or hairstyle. Maybe.

Because of this, dramatic tension decreases, and the amount of give-a-fark I have also decreases.

Heaven forbid the shrieking needs of prey be offended. Heaven forbid that story is more important than profit.

I understand why it happens. Doesn't mean I like it.
 
2021-07-18 6:39:06 AM  
What I guess I don't understand is what about Nathaniel Richards is so unique? They say he figured out there was a multi verse but there are hundreds (if not thousands) of characters that would've already been traversing the multi verse by the time kang shows up in the 31st century.

What am I missing?
 
2021-07-18 7:06:02 AM  

LIGAFF: Whar Living Tribunal whar?


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2021-07-18 7:18:52 AM  

LIGAFF: Whar Living Tribunal whar?


i don't know if the living tribunal is alive given that Mordo had his staff in Dr Strange 1,
 
2021-07-18 7:38:19 AM  

swahnhennessy: No it didn't. It set up nerd exposition for whatever the next wave of films will cover.
Look. I've enjoyed all 3 recent Marvel series. They're well-done. But they are ultimately disappointing as they come down to commercials for future content.


I mean, have you read comics? They're all about crossovers and the next issue in a series. It's a long story, spanning generations (our time and theirs) and countless retcons and reboots. There is a LOT of content.

If they want to sell me on the next chapter, it's how comics usually tell their stories. Not all are self-contained.
 
2021-07-18 8:16:53 AM  

Space Station Wagon: What I guess I don't understand is what about Nathaniel Richards is so unique? They say he figured out there was a multi verse but there are hundreds (if not thousands) of characters that would've already been traversing the multi verse by the time kang shows up in the 31st century.

What am I missing?


Strawberry flavored death.
 
2021-07-18 8:18:55 AM  

LIGAFF: Whar Living Tribunal whar?


Mentioned in Doctor Strange so the LT is definitely out there.
 
2021-07-18 8:23:49 AM  

Ishkur: Znuh: Thanos' schmuckery killed half of all life in the entire universe. Kang's nonsense affects all of entirety, completely.

It's a great premise but here's the problem: Kang is just a guy. A smart guy who found a way to exist outside of time. That's cool. Good for him. But he's not the only one who lives like that. There are far older, more powerful beings that also exist in that state (hell, we've already met one: Dormammu).... and what are they doing? Sitting on their thumbs while Kang sets up the TVA to shut down the multiverse? ....why?

Because... well, take a look at this:

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(original is here if Fark makes it too small to read)

At some point one or more of these entities ought to show up in Kang's Citadel wanting to know just who the fark does he think he is and what the fark does he think he's doing.

There are far more ancient, more powerful and more evil things to worry about than alternate reality Nathaniel Richardses. He's just a more ambitious and less alcoholic Rick Sanchez. It's not like he's actually in charge of any aspect of reality.


Shuma Goreth is rumored to play a part in DS2.
 
2021-07-18 8:32:47 AM  

hubiestubert: Gee, with a Multiverse of Madness in the wings, and Into the Spiderverse out there, this and WandaVision were just ways to show HOW things are coming to a head.

Let us pause though, and remember not only has the MCU given us a canon Howard the Duck, but also a Frog Thor and Spider Ham, and revel in those universal splits that left their traces, showing that the TVA has been screwing up for a while.


Into The Spiderverse isn't MCU.
 
2021-07-18 9:33:39 AM  
Spiderman did the multiverse stuff first.
 
2021-07-18 9:36:26 AM  

smileyphase: swahnhennessy: No it didn't. It set up nerd exposition for whatever the next wave of films will cover.
Look. I've enjoyed all 3 recent Marvel series. They're well-done. But they are ultimately disappointing as they come down to commercials for future content.

I mean, have you read comics? They're all about crossovers and the next issue in a series. It's a long story, spanning generations (our time and theirs) and countless retcons and reboots. There is a LOT of content.

If they want to sell me on the next chapter, it's how comics usually tell their stories. Not all are self-contained.


Which is why I don't read most comics. I'll read completely self-contained stories like Sandman, but I don't have time to keep up with all the nonsense put out by Marvel and DC.
 
2021-07-18 9:40:03 AM  

Ishkur: Znuh: Thanos' schmuckery killed half of all life in the entire universe. Kang's nonsense affects all of entirety, completely.

It's a great premise but here's the problem: Kang is just a guy. A smart guy who found a way to exist outside of time. That's cool. Good for him. But he's not the only one who lives like that. There are far older, more powerful beings that also exist in that state (hell, we've already met one: Dormammu).... and what are they doing? Sitting on their thumbs while Kang sets up the TVA to shut down the multiverse? ....why?

Because... well, take a look at this:

[Fark user image image 850x1250]
(original is here if Fark makes it too small to read)

At some point one or more of these entities ought to show up in Kang's Citadel wanting to know just who the fark does he think he is and what the fark does he think he's doing.

There are far more ancient, more powerful and more evil things to worry about than alternate reality Nathaniel Richardses. He's just a more ambitious and less alcoholic Rick Sanchez. It's not like he's actually in charge of any aspect of reality.


Was that chart made by the same dude who charted the QAnon conspiracies?
 
2021-07-18 10:32:12 AM  

Ishkur: EdgeRunner: And the rules for stopping a multiverse breach aren't even close to being consistent in Loki. Branches have to be stopped within minutes of forming, lest they go too far. But you'd have to have long-formed alternate realities for all the fully matured Loki variants to be running around. Sylvie is at least eight to ten years old before the TVA takes notice of her, Classic Loki had to have been around far longer, and whatever events led to Alligator Loki might have happened years before he ever hatched.

No, this is not what they looking for. It's not about Loki, it's about Nathaniel Richards (NR).

They are detecting alternative timelines for NR probabilities. He is ground zero for the multiverse war therefore it is in the interests of He Who Remains to minimize, sanitize, or eliminate all universes with NRs in them (or more specifically: Universes with NRs who eventually grow up to become scientists and detect other universes with NRs in them). The longer a universe is allowed to exist, the greater the probability of an NR from another universe discovering it and farking it up.

Remember: He Who Remains didn't say he got rid of all universes (that would be impossible). He just found a way to isolate and protect his own, to prevent any NRs from finding him and farking things up.

But in this specific circumstance he was also looking for a successor so he might've given Loki some leeway.


In other words, if you're deep into the comic lore, you can nerdforge excuses and rationalizations for the show. But taken on its own terms, despite all the lengthy expositional infodumps, Loki has done a piss poor job of setting up its TVA mechanics.

Why chase down variants at all, when they could just drop a bomb and reset everything with no hassle? Why are they all-powerful within the confines of their office, but despite having access to advanced weapons and armor and fighting techniques throughout the entire timespan of the multiverse, they're as useless as Stormtroopers against any resistance? Why would the death of He Who Waits Behind the Desk instantly cause branches to appear everywhere when he's outside of time and the TVA is what plugs all the leaks? If the branches are actually caused by Mobius sowing dissention within the ranks, and He Who Is Him had predicted/observed everything up until the very moment of his demise (sloppy work not peeking at the ending, dude), why wouldn't he choose a path that didn't include the TVA having a meltdown? Why keep the true purpose of the TVA, blocking his dangerous variant selves from ever crashing the party, a complete secret from everyone when he has an entire universe to pick and choose operatives from who would be completely loyal to his purpose? Since there's multiples of him, and the tacked on ending confirms that there's also multiples of the TVA, trying to create a single timeline should be an impossibility due to all the time travelers constantly bouncing around trying to steer everyone's destiny in a different direction. If anything, the multiverse war should have never ended, just extended itself into history and wound up wreaking endless chaos in every moment of time everywhere in the universe. And every TVA should constantly be on guard for assaults by other TVAs, not Lokis, and all of them should be trying to outmatch each other with the most advanced weaponry that ever existed.

Time travel always makes for tricky storytelling, and the TVA concept is especially messy, even by comic book standards. I'd like to believe Disney ordered up a second season to give them a chance to paper over all the gaps in the premise, but I can't help thinking they're only going to make things even messier.
 
2021-07-18 11:04:30 AM  
EdgeRunner:

I figured the entire trial of the variants was actually an elaborate ruse for recruiting stable variants into the TVA to maintain the timeline. They must have been give he choice of being pruned or mind/wiped and turned into a TVA employee to do the good work of the timekeepers.

The timekeepers are an excellent fiction to keep everyone loyal to the mission, rather than telling them you're keeping  King Kong Kang at the top of variant mountain, which looks like season 2 TVA.
 
2021-07-18 11:07:31 AM  

EdgeRunner: Except Loki doesn't introduce the multiverse. It raises questions about how the TVA supposedly prevented any multiverse timelines, when that was such a major aspect of Endgame. Variant Thanos pops out of a branched timeline and that leads to Tony Stark's death and the destruction of Avengers HQ. Black Widow dies in that branched timeline. Captain America retires in a different alternate timeline for decades before returning to the "main" one. Having the TVA break down and allow the multiverse to take shape isn't changing the MCU, it's restoring the already established status quo.

And the rules for stopping a multiverse breach aren't even close to being consistent in Loki. Branches have to be stopped within minutes of forming, lest they go too far. But you'd have to have long-formed alternate realities for all the fully matured Loki variants to be running around. Sylvie is at least eight to ten years old before the TVA takes notice of her, Classic Loki had to have been around far longer, and whatever events led to Alligator Loki might have happened years before he ever hatched. The show's self-stated rules about blocking the multiverse from happening haven't made sense from the beginning, nor did it fit in a continuity where the "time heist" took place. Far from clarifying anything, Loki just muddied the waters.


They said in the show that everything the Avengers did was meant to be as part of the sacred timeline. I'm assuming this means Kang (or He Who Remains, if you prefer) set it all up specifically to get Loki and Sylvie to him so he could try to get them to take over. He knew everything that happens up to a point, which means everything was going according to plan until just before they made their decision. It might not be the bestexplanation, but it works for me. Whatever gets the multiverse going.
 
2021-07-18 11:13:58 AM  

swahnhennessy: No it didn't. It set up nerd exposition for whatever the next wave of films will cover.
Look. I've enjoyed all 3 recent Marvel series. They're well-done. But they are ultimately disappointing as they come down to commercials for future content.


I frankly get tired of this complaint. It's called world building that leads into sequels. No one complains that the events of BTTF 2 sets things up for BTTF 3, or that each Harry Potter movie sets things up for the next one. This is how movie series work.
 
2021-07-18 11:25:50 AM  

AtomPeepers: EdgeRunner:

I figured the entire trial of the variants was actually an elaborate ruse for recruiting stable variants into the TVA to maintain the timeline. They must have been give he choice of being pruned or mind/wiped and turned into a TVA employee to do the good work of the timekeepers.

The timekeepers are an excellent fiction to keep everyone loyal to the mission, rather than telling them you're keeping  King Kong Kang at the top of variant mountain, which looks like season 2 TVA.


Except even the judges seemed unaware that everybody was a variant.
 
2021-07-18 11:35:35 AM  

NeoCortex42: AtomPeepers: EdgeRunner:

I figured the entire trial of the variants was actually an elaborate ruse for recruiting stable variants into the TVA to maintain the timeline. They must have been give he choice of being pruned or mind/wiped and turned into a TVA employee to do the good work of the timekeepers.

The timekeepers are an excellent fiction to keep everyone loyal to the mission, rather than telling them you're keeping  King Kong Kang at the top of variant mountain, which looks like season 2 TVA.

Except even the judges seemed unaware that everybody was a variant.


Renslayer knew. It's why she was working so hard to keep it a secret. She just didn't know who was really at the top.
 
2021-07-18 11:39:25 AM  

Herr Morgenstern: NeoCortex42: AtomPeepers: EdgeRunner:

I figured the entire trial of the variants was actually an elaborate ruse for recruiting stable variants into the TVA to maintain the timeline. They must have been give he choice of being pruned or mind/wiped and turned into a TVA employee to do the good work of the timekeepers.

The timekeepers are an excellent fiction to keep everyone loyal to the mission, rather than telling them you're keeping  King Kong Kang at the top of variant mountain, which looks like season 2 TVA.

Except even the judges seemed unaware that everybody was a variant.

Renslayer knew. It's why she was working so hard to keep it a secret. She just didn't know who was really at the top.


I don't think she knew until Mobius told her. I think she just didn't care when she found out because she's a zealot of her mission at the TVA.
 
2021-07-18 11:40:39 AM  
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2021-07-18 11:44:09 AM  

NeoCortex42: Herr Morgenstern: NeoCortex42: AtomPeepers: EdgeRunner:

I figured the entire trial of the variants was actually an elaborate ruse for recruiting stable variants into the TVA to maintain the timeline. They must have been give he choice of being pruned or mind/wiped and turned into a TVA employee to do the good work of the timekeepers.

The timekeepers are an excellent fiction to keep everyone loyal to the mission, rather than telling them you're keeping  King Kong Kang at the top of variant mountain, which looks like season 2 TVA.

Except even the judges seemed unaware that everybody was a variant.

Renslayer knew. It's why she was working so hard to keep it a secret. She just didn't know who was really at the top.

I don't think she knew until Mobius told her. I think she just didn't care when she found out because she's a zealot of her mission at the TVA.


But she knew before Loki did, because she was the one that debriefed that one soldier that Sylvie enchanted, the one she kept telling Mobius he couldn't see but later turned out she'd pruned.
 
2021-07-18 11:44:25 AM  

Herr Morgenstern: NeoCortex42: Herr Morgenstern: NeoCortex42: AtomPeepers: EdgeRunner:

I figured the entire trial of the variants was actually an elaborate ruse for recruiting stable variants into the TVA to maintain the timeline. They must have been give he choice of being pruned or mind/wiped and turned into a TVA employee to do the good work of the timekeepers.

The timekeepers are an excellent fiction to keep everyone loyal to the mission, rather than telling them you're keeping  King Kong Kang at the top of variant mountain, which looks like season 2 TVA.

Except even the judges seemed unaware that everybody was a variant.

Renslayer knew. It's why she was working so hard to keep it a secret. She just didn't know who was really at the top.

I don't think she knew until Mobius told her. I think she just didn't care when she found out because she's a zealot of her mission at the TVA.

But she knew before Loki did, because she was the one that debriefed that one soldier that Sylvie enchanted, the one she kept telling Mobius he couldn't see but later turned out she'd pruned.


Before Mobius did*
 
2021-07-18 12:01:43 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: NeoCortex42: Herr Morgenstern: NeoCortex42: AtomPeepers: EdgeRunner:

I figured the entire trial of the variants was actually an elaborate ruse for recruiting stable variants into the TVA to maintain the timeline. They must have been give he choice of being pruned or mind/wiped and turned into a TVA employee to do the good work of the timekeepers.

The timekeepers are an excellent fiction to keep everyone loyal to the mission, rather than telling them you're keeping  King Kong Kang at the top of variant mountain, which looks like season 2 TVA.

Except even the judges seemed unaware that everybody was a variant.

Renslayer knew. It's why she was working so hard to keep it a secret. She just didn't know who was really at the top.

I don't think she knew until Mobius told her. I think she just didn't care when she found out because she's a zealot of her mission at the TVA.

But she knew before Loki did, because she was the one that debriefed that one soldier that Sylvie enchanted, the one she kept telling Mobius he couldn't see but later turned out she'd pruned.


That's right. I forgot she had that debriefing. I still don't think it was something she had known to the point of recruiting variants to be agents. She found out over the course of the show.
 
2021-07-18 12:38:55 PM  
Literally nothing happened in the show
 
2021-07-18 12:40:35 PM  
This was the most action packed show ever
 
2021-07-18 12:55:14 PM  
I did enjoy the observation from Kevin Smith's podcast with Marc Bernardin.  The show, as far as Sylvie goes, is about Space Karen being unhappy with the way things are run and demanding to speak to the manager.
 
2021-07-18 1:07:37 PM  
Hot take: Kang just sounds like Rick Sanchez with extra steps.
 
2021-07-18 1:15:02 PM  

moothemagiccow: Literally nothing happened in the show


Only if you literally didn't pay attention.
 
2021-07-18 1:15:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: I did enjoy the observation from Kevin Smith's podcast with Marc Bernardin.  The show, as far as Sylvie goes, is about Space Karen being unhappy with the way things are run and demanding to speak to the manager.


Karen's aren't that hot
 
2021-07-18 1:17:20 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: NeoCortex42: I did enjoy the observation from Kevin Smith's podcast with Marc Bernardin.  The show, as far as Sylvie goes, is about Space Karen being unhappy with the way things are run and demanding to speak to the manager.

Karen's aren't that hot


Or that cool.
 
2021-07-18 1:20:46 PM  

NeoCortex42: I did enjoy the observation from Kevin Smith's podcast with Marc Bernardin.  The show, as far as Sylvie goes, is about Space Karen being unhappy with the way things are run and demanding to speak kill the manager.


FTFY
 
2021-07-18 2:00:16 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: I frankly get tired of this complaint. It's called world building that leads into sequels. No one complains that the events of BTTF 2 sets things up for BTTF 3, or that each Harry Potter movie sets things up for the next one. This is how movie series work.


Potter had a clear beginning, middle, and most importantly an END. Because Disney let Marvel uncork the multiverse literally anything can happen now.
 
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