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2021-07-17 6:36:24 PM  
Maybe if fewer small businesses were dicks about paying taxes it wouldn't be necessary.
 
2021-07-17 6:55:00 PM  
FTFA: Alfredo Ortiz is current president and chief executive officer for the Job Creators Network

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2021-07-17 6:55:44 PM  
This sounds like it was funded by a big business.
 
2021-07-17 7:01:19 PM  
You have to like the argument that the rich have lawyers and accountants so they would file a proper tax return.  No need to check them.
 
2021-07-17 7:06:08 PM  
I'm sure the Walton family is real concerned about small business.
 
2021-07-17 8:06:29 PM  
If you don't fund the IRS to take on larger violations, it could be seen that way. Or, if it's got some teeth to it, you could get paid to make it seem like the former.

I wonder what this one must be if The Hill is covering it? Hmmm.
 
2021-07-17 11:12:31 PM  
If you make an honest effort to pay your taxes correctly you have nothing to fear from the IRS. Honestly they've destroyed far fewer lives than medical debt.
 
2021-07-18 12:03:11 AM  
Gosh, you have to pay taxes? Like the rest of us?
 
2021-07-18 12:06:46 AM  
Is Subby calling the author a lyin' ho?
 
2021-07-18 12:10:41 AM  
I'm not trollin, I'm Boxxy you see
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2021-07-18 12:12:24 AM  
Oh no.

Just pay your taxes. Society can be a nice thing,
 
2021-07-18 12:14:03 AM  
The world does not owe you employees, customers, an income or anything else because you, "started a business".. BUT you still owe Uncle Sam, because that's the deal you make for living in this country...

The arrogance and entitlement of "small business" people is just astounding and seemingly endless..
 
2021-07-18 12:15:41 AM  
I don't mind paying taxes and tend to vote yes on just about any tax bill or bond measure that comes up. The look on peoples faces alone when I tell them I'm voting to increase their taxes is hysterical. Then, when they are triggered enough to actually listen, I talk to them about why taxes are important and all the things taxes do for them.  Fun times.
 
2021-07-18 12:21:08 AM  
Ortiz (the author if this opinion piece) was instrumental in helping pass the historic tax cuts bill of 2017.

Yeah, i'm gonna go out in a limb here and say when he speaks of "small business" he really means multi-national corporations.
 
2021-07-18 12:27:50 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: This sounds like it was funded by a big business.


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2021-07-18 12:29:18 AM  
The IRS is underfunded specifically so they can only practically go after the low hanging fruit and can't bother the ultra-wealthy if they at least make some pro-forma effort to cover their tracks.

I imagine the idea of an IRS with the might to enforce the tax code on America's richest scares the ever-loving shiat out of the billionaires who have been treating tax laws as tax suggestions and might suddenly want to collect back taxes and penalties.

Who, I wonder, might want to lobby against ensuring there is a fully-funded office enforcing tax compliance, an office that only continues to exist by bringing in more in unpaid taxes than it spends collecting them?  Only tax cheats who fear being caught fear the IRS.
 
2021-07-18 12:29:32 AM  

janzee: Ortiz (the author if this opinion piece) was instrumental in helping pass the historic tax cuts bill of 2017.

Yeah, i'm gonna go out in a limb here and say when he speaks of "small business" he really means multi-national corporations.


"Small" is an entirely relative term. "Business" is fairly subjective too. Although "small business" often has a formal definition depending on the jurisdiction, "small" "business" can mean whatever you want it to mean.
 
2021-07-18 12:31:38 AM  
I'm confused.

They're not creating new taxes, they're just going to actually enforce existing tax law and make sure people/companies aren't skirting the system.

And that's byzantine?  Is this article insinuations these companies aren't paying their fair share?

What's with these threats of offshore their companies because of high tax rates... if they're not paying them anyways?

(I'm being facetious, just find it funny this article is saying how bad it is.... because the government is taking whay is owed anyways)

If these companies don't want to pay the taxes, they're free to not use any of the infrastructure that makes their business possible.
 
2021-07-18 12:32:47 AM  

Aussie_As: janzee: Ortiz (the author if this opinion piece) was instrumental in helping pass the historic tax cuts bill of 2017.

Yeah, i'm gonna go out in a limb here and say when he speaks of "small business" he really means multi-national corporations.

"Small" is an entirely relative term. "Business" is fairly subjective too. Although "small business" often has a formal definition depending on the jurisdiction, "small" "business" can mean whatever you want it to mean.


Small business is now a dog whistle that means IGNORE ME.

The blowhards fail to perceive the meaning.
 
2021-07-18 12:33:23 AM  
Arizona's vote "audit" could really be helped by IRS, which is the expert in audits.   I can't see why the GOP in the Arizona statehouse didn't ask them to do it.

The business community would be quite happy with a Democrat in the White House since there's practically nothing the Republican president didn't fark up when it comes to business.
 
2021-07-18 12:38:48 AM  
JUST PAY YOUR farkING TAXES!
 
2021-07-18 12:51:21 AM  
Meanwhile, the republicans are trying their best to defund the IRS in an attempt to set up the Biden administration for failure.

/How DARE they go after glorious leader for tax evasion?!
 
2021-07-18 12:52:04 AM  
"Expanding" the IRS.

After 30 years of lopping off limbs until the organization is a quadriplegic.
 
2021-07-18 12:57:52 AM  
Evil Republicans would rather nickel and dime poor Americans than go after their campaign donors. We farking need to start building guillotines and put Moscow Mitch at the front of the line.
 
2021-07-18 1:00:52 AM  

Aussie_As: janzee: Ortiz (the author if this opinion piece) was instrumental in helping pass the historic tax cuts bill of 2017.

Yeah, i'm gonna go out in a limb here and say when he speaks of "small business" he really means multi-national corporations.

"Small" is an entirely relative term. "Business" is fairly subjective too. Although "small business" often has a formal definition depending on the jurisdiction, "small" "business" can mean whatever you want it to mean.


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2021-07-18 1:02:50 AM  
Okay, I will wade into this heap of shiat.  Imagine saving $300,00 from your regular W2 job over 20 years for a down payment (20-30%) on a small business that promises to pull your family into the upper middle class.  You saved for years, not taking any vacation, driving cheap cars, and literally scrutinizing every expenditure.  You buy a small business where margins are razer thin (10-15%).  You have inventory, personnel costs, health insurance, advertising, insurance, rent, utilities, the cost of the goods, and the list goes on and on from there.  And now uncle Sam is over funding the task force to come and ask why you paid yourself $40,000 as a reasonable salary instead of $50,000.
I imagine most of the people with negative comments about this article have never even considered what it takes to run a small business.  It is difficult under the best of circumstances and not incredibly profitable.
You often times are risking your entire life savings in order to buy a small business ($5,000,00 and under) - and all people can do here is whine "pay your damn taxes".  They are paying their taxes.  Self employment, FICA, workman's comp, liability, sales, federal income, state, property, and again, the list goes on.
Small businesses are not the problem - as the article explains - they cannot afford a varsity team of lawyers to navigate the literal thousand pages of tax code.  So they do the best they can based on their understanding and what CPA they can afford to hire.
I cannot overstate this enough - small businesses literally risk everything they have worked for over a long period of time in order to even purchase a business.  It isn't something you just do.  It takes time, considerable capital, hard work, and education.
The tax code should favor small business owners, otherwise it wouldn't be profitable enough for anyone to consider doing.
 
2021-07-18 1:04:38 AM  
It should be remembered that there is a class of people who want to shrink the government small enough to drown it in a bathtub, and they will say anything to further that goal. And they will goad impressionable people to take action. And they will not care when those people suffer the consequences of their actions.
 
2021-07-18 1:09:16 AM  
Last estimate I saw said that for every billion in funding for the IRS they take in $5 billion in taxes that would otherwise be avoided.

Give them $100 billion to start. For the first three years they get to keep and use everything they bring in above 2020.

I want to hear some billionaires squeal.
 
2021-07-18 1:11:21 AM  

pnkgtr: JUST PAY YOUR farkING TAXES!


A lot of small businesses are real pieces of shiat. Wage theft, not paying minimum wage, stealing tips, not paying benefits, tax evasion, all that sleazy shiat. If you can't pay the real cost of your overhead, like 10-15% of your business is just theft. Theft from employees, theft from clients and suppliers, theft from the government.

I don't know where Republicans started the meme that small businesses were more important businesses. The biggest difference between small businesses and big businesses is the big businesses are doing this petty shiat on a massive scale.
 
2021-07-18 1:12:17 AM  

Pork Reins: Okay, I will wade into this heap of shiat.  Imagine saving $300,00 from your regular W2 job over 20 years for a down payment (20-30%) on a small business that promises to pull your family into the upper middle class.  You saved for years, not taking any vacation, driving cheap cars, and literally scrutinizing every expenditure.  You buy a small business where margins are razer thin (10-15%).  You have inventory, personnel costs, health insurance, advertising, insurance, rent, utilities, the cost of the goods, and the list goes on and on from there.  And now uncle Sam is over funding the task force to come and ask why you paid yourself $40,000 as a reasonable salary instead of $50,000.
I imagine most of the people with negative comments about this article have never even considered what it takes to run a small business.  It is difficult under the best of circumstances and not incredibly profitable.
You often times are risking your entire life savings in order to buy a small business ($5,000,00 and under) - and all people can do here is whine "pay your damn taxes".  They are paying their taxes.  Self employment, FICA, workman's comp, liability, sales, federal income, state, property, and again, the list goes on.
Small businesses are not the problem - as the article explains - they cannot afford a varsity team of lawyers to navigate the literal thousand pages of tax code.  So they do the best they can based on their understanding and what CPA they can afford to hire.
I cannot overstate this enough - small businesses literally risk everything they have worked for over a long period of time in order to even purchase a business.  It isn't something you just do.  It takes time, considerable capital, hard work, and education.
The tax code should favor small business owners, otherwise it wouldn't be profitable enough for anyone to consider doing.


Taxes are a predictable cost of doing business just like labor and utilities. If you don't pay your workers or your light bill you don't stay in business long, your taxes should be no different.
 
2021-07-18 1:13:47 AM  

farkyorefeelings: FTFA: Alfredo Ortiz is current president and chief executive officer for the Job Creators Network

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Came to say this.

Thanks for the daily dose of Alec propaganda shiatmitter.
 
2021-07-18 1:16:15 AM  
"the IRS hammer would likely swing down upon run-of-the-mill service-sector small businesses like restaurants, retail, and salons that deal with cash-based transactions."

How many of you Farkers have at least one of those cash businesses in your neighborhood that stays open for business for years, in spite of never having any customers? Didja ever wonder why they bother to keep their doors open? A cash business that has no customers is perfect for layering in illegal cash for money laundering. A successful cash business wouldn't be able to layer in as much cash without attracting attention. You have to at least threaten to audit cash businesses occasionally, or else they inevitably get greedy.
 
2021-07-18 1:18:17 AM  

Pork Reins: I imagine most of the people with negative comments about this article have never even considered what it takes to run a small business.


I imagine you didn't consider what it took to run a small business and yet you gambled your money anyway, now you're in too deep and you want everybody else to bear the risk you took.

Your irresponsible investment is not our burden.
Pay your workers, pay your suppliers, and pay your farking taxes.
 
2021-07-18 1:23:02 AM  

Peki: I don't mind paying taxes and tend to vote yes on just about any tax bill or bond measure that comes up. The look on peoples faces alone when I tell them I'm voting to increase their taxes is hysterical. Then, when they are triggered enough to actually listen, I talk to them about why taxes are important and all the things taxes do for them.  Fun times.


A few years back I got a call from a campaign for a measure for a tax to fully fund AND expand our library system. It was 1/8 of a cent for every dollar above $100.

I was shocked it was so little and said "yeah, this is a no-brainer. Do people actually give you grief over this?"

"Yes, you'd be surprised".

It failed by a 2:1 margin. And yes, I DO live in a very red part of California.
 
2021-07-18 1:41:22 AM  

jook: Peki: I don't mind paying taxes and tend to vote yes on just about any tax bill or bond measure that comes up. The look on peoples faces alone when I tell them I'm voting to increase their taxes is hysterical. Then, when they are triggered enough to actually listen, I talk to them about why taxes are important and all the things taxes do for them.  Fun times.

A few years back I got a call from a campaign for a measure for a tax to fully fund AND expand our library system. It was 1/8 of a cent for every dollar above $100.

I was shocked it was so little and said "yeah, this is a no-brainer. Do people actually give you grief over this?"

"Yes, you'd be surprised".

It failed by a 2:1 margin. And yes, I DO live in a very red part of California.


I should've said "sales tax", not just "tax". 1/8th of a cent, first $100 exempt, for something many civilizations have considered to be of great importance, fails because cheap assholes don't feel educating one's self is of any value. It blows my farking mind. Deplorable doesn't even begin to describe them.
 
2021-07-18 1:46:19 AM  
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Looks like an irs auditor to me
 
2021-07-18 1:52:56 AM  
So, I'm seeing two primary arguments in this "article."

1) The wealthy will still try to avoid paying, so there's no point in even trying to collect from them.
2) Small businesses shouldn't have to pay their taxes.

Hrm...

How about you go fark yourself.
 
2021-07-18 2:06:57 AM  

moothemagiccow: Pork Reins: I imagine most of the people with negative comments about this article have never even considered what it takes to run a small business.

I imagine you didn't consider what it took to run a small business and yet you gambled your money anyway, now you're in too deep and you want everybody else to bear the risk you took.

Your irresponsible investment is not our burden.
Pay your workers, pay your suppliers, and pay your farking taxes.


I can't speak to what the IRS is like, but I know that for the Canada Revenue Agency, intent is a critical factor in getting crossways with them.  Small businesses fail all the time, but it is very rare indeed that someone is put out of business for  nonpayment of taxes unless it was deliberate.
 
2021-07-18 2:07:53 AM  
"Yet, the wealthiest Americans likely wouldn't be affected by increased IRS enforcement. They have high-priced lawyers and accountants who ensure their taxes comply with every provision on every page in the tax code."

Oh, I see.
 
2021-07-18 2:11:08 AM  
I'm highly concerned about the "x" in this font.

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2021-07-18 2:14:07 AM  

farkyorefeelings: FTFA: Alfredo Ortiz is current president and chief executive officer for the Job Creators Network

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'Job Creators Network'.. yeah, I'd laugh in his face.

If wealthy people 'created' jobs, they'd get less wealthy over time.  They don't.  It's the customers, stupid.
 
2021-07-18 2:14:14 AM  
"Under the Obama Administration, the IRS targeted conservative nonprofit organizations and skirted accountability."

Yes, they had them fill out an extra piece of paper and still allowed them to operate in the interim.  The horror.
 
2021-07-18 2:19:12 AM  
oh it's written by an ALEC employee? don't care then.
 
2021-07-18 2:21:05 AM  
Job Creators Network ("JCN") is association of corporate leaders best known for its E2E employee communications program, which encourages CEOs to pressure their employees to vote for and otherwise support the corporate political agenda. In 2015, it launched the web-based advocacy campaign, "Defend Main Street," which attacks the National Labor Relations Board's decision to consider McDonald's a "joint employer" of franchise employees, possibly making the corporate giant liable for labor law violations.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php​/​Job_Creators_Network

Yeah they sound like they're very concerned about small business.
 
2021-07-18 2:23:39 AM  

Peki: I don't mind paying taxes and tend to vote yes on just about any tax bill or bond measure that comes up. The look on peoples faces alone when I tell them I'm voting to increase their taxes is hysterical. Then, when they are triggered enough to actually listen, I talk to them about why taxes are important and all the things taxes do for them.  Fun times.


2nded.
I don't have kids, never claimed any benefits, ridiculously healthy, high rate tax payer... I'm a yuge net contributor... and I'm happy to do it.
I can, so I should. It means I'm fortunate and have more than i need.

I have free healthcare, spectacular service from the cops when i had to call them recently, convenient public transport, an outstanding Offsted rated primary school opposite so my neighbour's kids get the best start and are good neighbours, outdoor gym and basketball & netball courts at the local park...
Im very fortunate.
 
2021-07-18 2:27:33 AM  

Epicedion: I'm highly concerned about the "x" in this font.

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it's an imposter. it's a cyrillic character or something in a fake moustache
 
2021-07-18 2:29:04 AM  

cretinbob: Maybe if fewer small businesses were dicks about paying taxes it wouldn't be necessary.


A lot of businesses, big and small, have been able to skirt the IRS rules because the agency isn't fully funded or staffed. It's had trouble getting staff because none of the appointments are permanent, but are 12-month appointments, and you get to re-apply for your job every year. It's a recruiter's nightmare.
Add onto that antiquated computer systems, lousy pay, a general hatred from the public, and the only thing left going for them is a decent benefits package and retirement plan. But about that retirement plan, you've gotta keep getting re-hired to get vested. So, ...
 
2021-07-18 2:36:58 AM  

Lady J: Epicedion: I'm highly concerned about the "x" in this font.

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it's an imposter. it's a cyrillic character or something in a fake moustache


It's how I learned to write a Cyrillic 'x' when I took Russian in undergrad.  Not two intersecting slashing lines, but a backwards 'c' and a forwards 'c' touching.
 
2021-07-18 3:08:29 AM  
This guy is spinning so hard he's creating a magnetic field that's throwing planes and ships off course.
 
2021-07-18 3:16:51 AM  

moothemagiccow: pnkgtr: JUST PAY YOUR farkING TAXES!

A lot of small businesses are real pieces of shiat. Wage theft, not paying minimum wage, stealing tips, not paying benefits, tax evasion, all that sleazy shiat. If you can't pay the real cost of your overhead, like 10-15% of your business is just theft. Theft from employees, theft from clients and suppliers, theft from the government.

I don't know where Republicans started the meme that small businesses were more important businesses. The biggest difference between small businesses and big businesses is the big businesses are doing this petty shiat on a massive scale.


It's not a meme. Or not solely a meme, anyway. There are a farkton of us, is all. Sure, KlezEmpireHoldings LLC only employs four people worldwide, including me. But you multiply that times some number of millions and it really adds up.

/pays taxes
 
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