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2021-07-17 1:17:03 PM  
NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.
 
2021-07-17 1:24:12 PM  
Did Canadians find out that the Green Party was created by a bunch of Tories to split the leftie vote?
 
2021-07-17 1:33:04 PM  

brantgoose: Did Canadians find out that the Green Party was created by a bunch of Tories to split the leftie vote?


The Canadian version has 2 factions, the full-on tree huggers and the Teddy Roosevelt Conservatives (save nature so they'll be stuff to hunt and kill in the future). It's more complicated than that, but there are two factions that can not continue to fly the same flag.
 
2021-07-17 2:51:54 PM  
F*ck you Conrad Black, you convicted felon.
 
2021-07-17 2:56:32 PM  

sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.


I hope it don't happen, but the more this shiatty infighting continues the greater the chance farkin' Poilivere's going to end up PM.

Or worse, farkin' Kenny returns to the federal stage.

Eventually we'll have another Con government, just don't want it to be led by any of the above. And as a die-hard NDP voter, I want to flagellate myself for wishing the Cons get a nice milquetoast leader.
 
2021-07-17 3:08:03 PM  
Things are looking bad for Anime Paul.
 
2021-07-17 3:40:51 PM  
Oh noes, this threatens their five, or four, no wait, three seats.

/and 6.5% of the popular vote
 
2021-07-17 3:43:48 PM  
Party infighting?
BOLO adversarial meddling. Not sussing anyone in particular, just BOLO.
 
2021-07-17 3:55:21 PM  

Ghastly: Things are looking bad for Anime Paul.


It's no wonder.

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2021-07-17 4:02:11 PM  

sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.


I think is possibly the weakest slate of leaders I've ever seen in Canadian politics. There's Annamie who can't keep her party together, The zero-ideas Toole who can't decide if he's a white supremacist or not but totally is, Handsome Drama Teacher who can't commit to a damn thing Trudeau, and Jagmeet "Let's see what Twitter's outrage is today" Singh. Each one of them is like a parodic caricature of a real politician, except they are the real politicians.
 
2021-07-17 4:08:10 PM  
In theory I have nothing against a party whose first policy plank is 'protect the environment'.  I live in the environment, I'm happy to see an attempt at a unified effort to keep it comfortable for humanity, even at the cost of a reduction of lifestyle.

However, the Green Party is a packet of mixed nuts who should never be allowed near even a single lever of power.
 
2021-07-17 4:12:37 PM  

starsrift: sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.

I think is possibly the weakest slate of leaders I've ever seen in Canadian politics. There's Annamie who can't keep her party together, The zero-ideas Toole who can't decide if he's a white supremacist or not but totally is, Handsome Drama Teacher who can't commit to a damn thing Trudeau, and Jagmeet "Let's see what Twitter's outrage is today" Singh. Each one of them is like a parodic caricature of a real politician, except they are the real politicians.


You.  I like you.  Do you have a newsletter?
 
2021-07-17 4:18:24 PM  

starsrift: I think is possibly the weakest slate of leaders I've ever seen in Canadian politics. There's Annamie who can't keep her party together, The zero-ideas Toole who can't decide if he's a white supremacist or not but totally is, Handsome Drama Teacher who can't commit to a damn thing Trudeau, and Jagmeet "Let's see what Twitter's outrage is today" Singh. Each one of them is like a parodic caricature of a real politician, except they are the real politicians.


It's real, real disappointing. 
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2021-07-17 4:18:56 PM  

sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.



unfortunately
Canada has plenty of rubes and bumpkins in the prairie provinces and Ontario who vote Conservative just because they are rubes and bumpkins.
 
2021-07-17 4:36:29 PM  
No1curr.
 
2021-07-17 4:51:33 PM  
"Atwin had publicly criticized Paul for being too pro-Israel, after the Green leader responded to the outbreak of violence between Hamas and Israel in May by calling for de-escalation from both sides."

You had one job, Green Party.
 
2021-07-17 4:58:39 PM  

Flappyhead: No1curr.


Oh buddy, you missed an epic news night. Yeterday Canada was just like what the actual, no like actual, fark is going on. Anime Paul was accusing everyone of racism, the party were refusing to pay for their own leader's election campaign, the MPs were just hyterical, it was entertainment. It was gold, Jerry, gold.
 
2021-07-17 5:19:13 PM  

ryant123: starsrift: I think is possibly the weakest slate of leaders I've ever seen in Canadian politics. There's Annamie who can't keep her party together, The zero-ideas Toole who can't decide if he's a white supremacist or not but totally is, Handsome Drama Teacher who can't commit to a damn thing Trudeau, and Jagmeet "Let's see what Twitter's outrage is today" Singh. Each one of them is like a parodic caricature of a real politician, except they are the real politicians.

It's real, real disappointing. [Fark user image 620x349]


So Mike Babcock for PM?
 
2021-07-17 5:29:50 PM  

starsrift: sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.

I think is possibly the weakest slate of leaders I've ever seen in Canadian politics. There's Annamie who can't keep her party together, The zero-ideas Toole who can't decide if he's a white supremacist or not but totally is, Handsome Drama Teacher who can't commit to a damn thing Trudeau, and Jagmeet "Let's see what Twitter's outrage is today" Singh. Each one of them is like a parodic caricature of a real politician, except they are the real politicians.


None of the party leaders are qualified.
This time I won't hold my nose and vote, unless the Rhinoceros party is running again.
 
2021-07-17 5:34:09 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Anime Paul was accusing everyone of racism


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2021-07-17 5:35:21 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.


unfortunately
Canada has plenty of rubes and bumpkins in the prairie provinces and Ontario who vote Conservative just because they are rubes and bumpkins.


The conservatives don't have to ever win, they just have to wait until the center left is split enough to squeak by. The bumpkins will always vote conservative unless an even more racist party comes along.
 
2021-07-17 5:38:22 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Party infighting?
BOLO adversarial meddling. Not sussing anyone in particular, just BOLO.


Nah, this is the good stuff. A pure, mountain spring water, triple-distilled internal meltdown, and the Greens have no one but themselves to blame.

Also, Conservatives wouldn't want to undermine the Green Party; vote-splitting on the left is the only way they remain viable.
 
2021-07-17 5:43:09 PM  
With friends like the Green Party, who needs Annamie?
 
2021-07-17 6:39:09 PM  
It's nice to have a good old-fashioned political meltdown that has the added benefit of not mattering at all in the presumed fall election.
 
2021-07-17 6:41:15 PM  
As in America, the Green Party can succeed, and be successful, in local elections.  Everyone in national elections ate poisoned apples directed at the Democratic Party.
 
2021-07-17 9:29:29 PM  

starsrift: sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.

I think is possibly the weakest slate of leaders I've ever seen in Canadian politics. There's Annamie who can't keep her party together, The zero-ideas Toole who can't decide if he's a white supremacist or not but totally is, Handsome Drama Teacher who can't commit to a damn thing Trudeau, and Jagmeet "Let's see what Twitter's outrage is today" Singh. Each one of them is like a parodic caricature of a real politician, except they are the real politicians.


I'm with you. Normally I vote Green just so they get the funding from it. I don't think I can do it this time.
Wat do?
Liberals smile and call you pretty while picking our pockets
Cons are all business dead eye stare while picking our pockets
The NDP is just no at the Federal level. Yes at the provincial level (Alberta)
 
2021-07-17 9:31:21 PM  

gopher321: F*ck you Conrad Black, you convicted felon.


Somebody had to say it.

I wish it had been me.
 
2021-07-17 10:08:11 PM  

theToadMan: I'm with you. Normally I vote Green just so they get the funding from it. I don't think I can do it this time.
Wat do?
Liberals smile and call you pretty while picking our pockets
Cons are all business dead eye stare while picking our pockets
The NDP is just no at the Federal level. Yes at the provincial level (Alberta)


Same thing you do every election - vote for your MP, not their leader.
 
2021-07-17 10:15:41 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: Day_Old_Dutchie: sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.


unfortunately
Canada has plenty of rubes and bumpkins in the prairie provinces and Ontario who vote Conservative just because they are rubes and bumpkins.

The conservatives don't have to ever win, they just have to wait until the center left is split enough to squeak by. The bumpkins will always vote conservative unless an even more racist party comes along.


Waaaaaaaay ahead of you. We have the PPC.
 
2021-07-17 10:53:02 PM  

Last of the Crazy People: sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.

I hope it don't happen, but the more this shiatty infighting continues the greater the chance farkin' Poilivere's going to end up PM.

Or worse, farkin' Kenny returns to the federal stage.

Eventually we'll have another Con government, just don't want it to be led by any of the above. And as a die-hard NDP voter, I want to flagellate myself for wishing the Cons get a nice milquetoast leader.


Lol. Poli is too riddled with scandals to ever lead. Hes a decent hit man but hes to scum sucking to actually have much more substance beyond riling up idiots.

And kenny has to survive in alberta before he goes back to federal politics. He is NOT super popular here in alberta and his party is fracturing under his leadership. Hes a big fat lying fark and we all know it. Rachel Notley is climbing in popularity.

That being said everyone biatching about bumpkins out west should be aware those bumpkins think of them as ivory tower types who love the smell of their own farts. Reducing your political opponents into idiot caricatures doesnt serve anything but your own ego. You can complain that they dont vote red or orange much but the red and orange parties haven't really spoken to anything they find important. Its shocking SHOCKING that when campaigning and platforms largely ignore a group of people that those people dont vote for the group ignoring them.

Yes. Albertans like the energy sector. But the liberal government and Quebec are rolling in that cash.

A few of you are right. The leaders of every party are just bleh. This would be a perfect time for a rhinoceros party uprising.

/Have legit voted rino in the past.
 
2021-07-17 11:24:50 PM  

mikefinch: Last of the Crazy People: sno man: NatPo (Propaganda wing of the Conservative Party) was just hoping for literally anything other than another poll saying O'Toole was possibly the worst CPC leader pick the Cons could have picked, and they have Cheryl Gallant, Garrett Genius & Michael Cooper in their caucus.

I hope it don't happen, but the more this shiatty infighting continues the greater the chance farkin' Poilivere's going to end up PM.

Or worse, farkin' Kenny returns to the federal stage.

Eventually we'll have another Con government, just don't want it to be led by any of the above. And as a die-hard NDP voter, I want to flagellate myself for wishing the Cons get a nice milquetoast leader.

Lol. Poli is too riddled with scandals to ever lead. Hes a decent hit man but hes to scum sucking to actually have much more substance beyond riling up idiots.

And kenny has to survive in alberta before he goes back to federal politics. He is NOT super popular here in alberta and his party is fracturing under his leadership. Hes a big fat lying fark and we all know it. Rachel Notley is climbing in popularity.

That being said everyone biatching about bumpkins out west should be aware those bumpkins think of them as ivory tower types who love the smell of their own farts. Reducing your political opponents into idiot caricatures doesnt serve anything but your own ego. You can complain that they dont vote red or orange much but the red and orange parties haven't really spoken to anything they find important. Its shocking SHOCKING that when campaigning and platforms largely ignore a group of people that those people dont vote for the group ignoring them.

Yes. Albertans like the energy sector. But the liberal government and Quebec are rolling in that cash.

A few of you are right. The leaders of every party are just bleh. This would be a perfect time for a rhinoceros party uprising.

/Have legit voted rino in the past.


Yeah, the problem is a large chunk of voters east of Vancouver and west of Winnipeg don't want anything in particular except the Conservative Party in power. Trudeau bought a farking pipeline to move their oil and it resulted in nothing but gripes about how unfair he is to them.
 
2021-07-18 12:14:06 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: The bumpkins will always vote conservative unless an even more racist party comes along.


This is pretty much the the Conservative party's strategy. It's why the Conservative party has it's private circle-jerk debates on abortion and gay marriage even though those are settled issues. It's too keep the fundies interested in voting. If you can convince them that "this time" if we get elected we'll get around to installing the death penalty for women who have abortions and public stonings of the homosexuals, they'll keep voting for you because maybe, just maybe, this time you mean it and will actually do those things. I mean, it's not like the NDP or even the Liberals are going to do those things so really who else can they vote for. There's not really another right wing alternative and they've learned from the Reform Party that all another right wing party can do is split the vote.

So there strategy is to wait for the Liberals, the defacto ruling party of Canada to fark up and piss off enough centrists that they either don't vote or they hold their nose and vote Conservative because "the Liberals need to be taught a lesson". They know the centrists won't vote NDP because "Bob Rae raped and murdered Christian babies to drink their blood to gain evil socialist magic powers". Every ruling party will eventually fark up and piss off the voters and the Conservative Party's strategy is "we're the party of unsatisfying rebound sex", and it works like a charm. That's how we ended up with way too many years of Prime Minister Scared-Of-Kittens, because we wanted to punish the leader of a political party because we were angry about something a guy who was no longer the leader of that political party did.

Seriously, the only way the Conservatives win is by default. Political ignorant pearl clutchers who have no idea what socialism is won't vote for another left wing party unless it's the Liberals because they're pissing their pants in fear that Canada's wealthy elite might be taxed a little more.
 
2021-07-18 12:45:45 AM  

Ghastly: They know the centrists won't vote NDP because "Bob Rae raped and murdered Christian babies to drink their blood to gain evil socialist magic powers"


Be fair... he was the grossly incompetent manager in change of Canada's economic engine who made promises he couldn't possibly keep then screwed over his own supporters when he realized it, all the while watching Ontario's credit rating drop.

Nobody on the right needed to make up over the top mud to sling at him.  He did exactly what conservatives were afraid he would do - tax and waste.  He set back the left in Ontario several decades.
 
2021-07-18 12:53:41 AM  

brantgoose: Did Canadians find out that the Green Party was created by a bunch of Tories to split the leftie vote?


Much like the Greens in the US except the ones here are whores for Russia, not the Tories.
 
2021-07-18 4:21:29 PM  
They're lefties who don't want to engage with existing systems or lobby, so they'll do it themselves without adequate knowledge or support. Because naivete and ego can totally stand in for experience and drive. Fighting spirit!

They don't whip to keep consistent, because they have a lot of idealistic ideas about expression and representation. Because a team doesn't need to work together to have any success in a system of teams.

They already tend to attract people with some incompatible or extreme views by the nature of their position on the political compass. Because a group that wants to achieve big things should try to cater to groups that can't agree on anything.

Add in a few Svengali manipulators and you have a guaranteed trainwreck.

Seen it before, will see it again. All they're doing is discouraging voters from using their money, votes, and attention effectively -- by pushing parties who have a shot at election into moving on issues that are of global concern.

They are the bad kind of lefty.
 
2021-07-18 6:17:28 PM  

rue_in_winter: They're lefties who don't want to engage with existing systems or lobby, so they'll do it themselves without adequate knowledge or support. Because naivete and ego can totally stand in for experience and drive. Fighting spirit!

They don't whip to keep consistent, because they have a lot of idealistic ideas about expression and representation. Because a team doesn't need to work together to have any success in a system of teams.

They already tend to attract people with some incompatible or extreme views by the nature of their position on the political compass. Because a group that wants to achieve big things should try to cater to groups that can't agree on anything.

Add in a few Svengali manipulators and you have a guaranteed trainwreck.

Seen it before, will see it again. All they're doing is discouraging voters from using their money, votes, and attention effectively -- by pushing parties who have a shot at election into moving on issues that are of global concern.

They are the bad kind of lefty.


There are not just lefties though, there are a few that see massive business opportunities within the green movement, (and there are plenty of opportunities,) that just don't actually care all that much about the environmental, conservatorial, or social-economic fairness issues the lefty Greens do, despite the incidental overlap with environment and conservation.
That third element is where much of this conflict comes from, the grass roots of the party, the lefty Greens that are at least mostly vegetarian (anti-factory farming), sjw, anti-fascist, voted overwhelmingly to add BDS to the party platform at the last conference. AP is Black, but also Jewish and was not prepared to have any part of that.. Most mainstream parties don't, mostly for very loud, mostly well to do persuasive minority donor 'political' reasons, which is [political.. whatever.], but a much bigger deal for those that care about social justice and equality.
This is not the only point of contention, but a pretty clear single one that will not be resolved between the two factions.
 
2021-07-18 6:28:45 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Ghastly: They know the centrists won't vote NDP because "Bob Rae raped and murdered Christian babies to drink their blood to gain evil socialist magic powers"

Be fair... he was the grossly incompetent manager in change of Canada's economic engine who made promises he couldn't possibly keep then screwed over his own supporters when he realized it, all the while watching Ontario's credit rating drop.

Nobody on the right needed to make up over the top mud to sling at him.  He did exactly what conservatives were afraid he would do - tax and waste.  He set back the left in Ontario several decades.


And yet he brought Ontario out of a global recession faster than most European countries did. But the Conservatives hated him because... ...well he was NDP.
 
2021-07-18 7:00:16 PM  

Ghastly: Unsung_Hero: Ghastly: They know the centrists won't vote NDP because "Bob Rae raped and murdered Christian babies to drink their blood to gain evil socialist magic powers"

Be fair... he was the grossly incompetent manager in change of Canada's economic engine who made promises he couldn't possibly keep then screwed over his own supporters when he realized it, all the while watching Ontario's credit rating drop.

Nobody on the right needed to make up over the top mud to sling at him.  He did exactly what conservatives were afraid he would do - tax and waste.  He set back the left in Ontario several decades.

And yet he brought Ontario out of a global recession faster than most European countries did. But the Conservatives hated him because... ...well he was NDP.


And the "Rae Days" pissed off the unions and a lot of the traditional NDP base. There wasn't a lot of support left from any side for what in hindsight, was pretty much the only, all be it unpalatable, path out of the mess Mulroney's cuts and Peterson's lack of action in the face of world economic issues lead to. Another element was that Ontario was never real big on change, 43 years of PC Premiers, then in just 3, Peterson wanted a new mandate and got spanked to the collective surprise of basically the whole province when Rae got elected.. What he did was just too radical for the majority and we [collective] fell back to the PC's, in the next election. But Harris [spits] wasn't Bill Davis, and didn't want anything to do with the P in PC. You know the rest. You probably knew this part too, but for the rest of the class...
 
2021-07-18 11:02:56 PM  

sno man: And the "Rae Days" pissed off the unions and a lot of the traditional NDP base.


I've never figured out how "Rae Days" are supposed to be left wing, but "government shutdowns" and "furloughs" are the powerful levers of fiscal conervatives.
 
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