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(CNBC)   Intuit decides it's crazy that people file income taxes for free and withdraws from the IRS Free File program. So pay up while you perform your civic obligation, those yachts won't buy themselves   (cnbc.com) divider line
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TWX
2021-07-17 11:10:17 AM  
Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.
 
2021-07-17 11:26:06 AM  
We intentionally kept our company QB data in house instead of online, but just the other day QB forced us to create an Intuit account to access our own data.

Gee, thanks
 
2021-07-17 11:38:19 AM  
I thought for some reason they were forced to offer this free tax filing, which is why they hid it behind a ton of misleading buttons and links...
 
2021-07-17 11:52:37 AM  

downstairs: I thought for some reason they were forced to offer this free tax filing, which is why they hid it behind a ton of misleading buttons and links...


That is correct.

But now they're just like f*ck it, I guess.
 
2021-07-17 11:59:54 AM  
Well I guess the government doesn't have to honor its end of the bargain then. The IRS can offer auto file like every other modern country.
 
2021-07-17 12:07:30 PM  
Hey, here's a crazy idea. What if the IRS mailed you their assessment of your liability and you only have to file if you want to change it?

99% of simple filings could vanish.
 
2021-07-17 12:07:47 PM  
I guess they just weren't that Intuit
 
2021-07-17 12:08:36 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Hey, here's a crazy idea. What if the IRS mailed you their assessment of your liability and you only have to file if you want to change it?

99% of simple filings could vanish.


Hahaha. A shiat ton of people more than 1% would be shocked at what they actually owe if they didn't lie and cheat.
 
2021-07-17 12:08:55 PM  

HighlanderRPI: I guess they just weren't that Intuit


Winnar
 
2021-07-17 12:14:56 PM  

TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.


I recommend Credit Karma
 
2021-07-17 12:15:46 PM  

Schlubbe: We intentionally kept our company QB data in house instead of online, but just the other day QB forced us to create an Intuit account to access our own data.

Gee, thanks


Its the least they could do for old friends.
 
2021-07-17 12:16:37 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Hey, here's a crazy idea. What if the IRS mailed you their assessment of your liability and you only have to file if you want to change it?

99% of simple filings could vanish.


CA used to do that for simple State filings but Intuit lobbied and got it eliminated
 
2021-07-17 12:19:12 PM  
Note to Gubberment: make tax filing free and easy so more people will pay their friggin taxes.  And close those overseas tax havens for big business and the wealthy.
 
2021-07-17 12:20:26 PM  

monkeypapa: ImpendingCynic: Hey, here's a crazy idea. What if the IRS mailed you their assessment of your liability and you only have to file if you want to change it?

99% of simple filings could vanish.

CA used to do that for simple State filings but Intuit lobbied and got it eliminated


Nothing quite as Democratic as paying off the right Legislators.
 
2021-07-17 12:24:26 PM  
I gave up on Intuit when they bricked my copy of CheckFree with an 'automatic update' just because they thought it was time for me to buy another copy. new version

Nope.

Now thirty years later, I guess Kiplinger/HR Block thanks them

/not that I buy more than basic federal from them
//sort of liked the DollarTree version, as close to free file as to not make a difference
/// well, you did need to buy a stamp too
 
2021-07-17 12:41:31 PM  

monkeypapa: ImpendingCynic: Hey, here's a crazy idea. What if the IRS mailed you their assessment of your liability and you only have to file if you want to change it?

99% of simple filings could vanish.

CA used to do that for simple State filings but Intuit lobbied and got it eliminated


But California's online filing is free and pretty easy.
 
2021-07-17 12:43:07 PM  

TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.


Use it, print it out, file it snail mail without paying intuit more money.

Filing online is a nice convenience that can see a faster turn over if you got a refund coming.
but filing with a printed out snail mail paper version is no different ultimately, just slower.
Also can be taken in and dropped off in person.

Also as long as the taxes are 1040ez, direct form the IRS, where/how to file online for free:

https://apps.irs.gov/app/freeFile/fil​i​ng-status


really anyone that can file 1040ez or something close to that basic has little to no need for turbo tax or any pay for service of any kind.
 
2021-07-17 12:43:47 PM  
I was over TurboTax awhile ago for various reasons.  This is just another reason for the pile.
 
2021-07-17 12:51:04 PM  

Enigmamf: monkeypapa: ImpendingCynic: Hey, here's a crazy idea. What if the IRS mailed you their assessment of your liability and you only have to file if you want to change it?

99% of simple filings could vanish.

CA used to do that for simple State filings but Intuit lobbied and got it eliminated

But California's online filing is free and pretty easy.


A long time ago, my state had their own online filing system, which was excellent, simple and easy to use.  They had a rating survey when you were done and I always gave it a top rating.  Then at some point it was scrapped and online filing required a 3rd party provider from then on.  My reaction: paper forms and snail mail it is.
 
2021-07-17 1:04:19 PM  

TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.


Prior to doing 1099 gig work, I used Free Tax USA. They used to be My1040EZ and were one of the sites recommended by the IRS

Actually, now that I think about it, I used them the first year I had 1099 as well and it was still a smooth free process.

The only reason I started using Turbo Tax is brcsuse their Self Employed version was offered free as part of the perks being a Lyft driver. Now that I'm transitioning away from 1099 work, I'll probably go back to Free Tax USA.
 
2021-07-17 1:04:45 PM  

hugadarn: Well I guess the government doesn't have to honor its end of the bargain then. The IRS can offer auto file like every other modern country.


Think of all the IRS budget that could then be shifted to auditing the wealthy.
 
2021-07-17 1:05:50 PM  
I've used H&R blocks software for 15 or so years as we have some investments, etc.  Never any issues and is cheaper than TurboTax overall, including filing fees.
 
2021-07-17 1:11:47 PM  
"This decision will allow us to focus on further innovating in ways not allowable under the current Free File guidelines and to better serve the complete financial health of all Americans through all of our products and services, in tax preparation and beyond," the company wrote in its blog post.

It doesn't get a lot more blatant than this corporate speak for "we have shiat we want people to pay for that the program doesn't allow us to".  Jesus, there hasn't been any such thing as 'innovation' when it comes to filling out or filing taxes since the invention of e-file in 19 frigging 86.  I would challenge Intuit to name one thing about TurboTax that has ever been 'innovative'.  Just one thing that makes the software more than a glorified calculator with some sanity checks built in.

Feds just need to offer auto file already.
 
2021-07-17 1:13:31 PM  
There's a ton of really good free tax services... Companies charge because there's millions of idiots who are willing to pay.  Very tiny minority of people actually need super specialized tax services that aren't free.
 
2021-07-17 1:31:58 PM  
I'll continue to not use them.
 
2021-07-17 1:39:38 PM  
"With the Free File program surpassing its founding goals of e-file and free tax preparation, and due to the limitations of the Free File program and conflicting demands from those outside the program, we are not able to continue in the program and deliver all of the benefits that can help consumers make more money, save more, and invest for the future

In other words, they are not making enough profit from the deal.  No matter what, I'm filing for free even if I have to file on paper.  Of course, in some other countries, the income tax is so simple that the government basically files for you.
 
2021-07-17 1:47:29 PM  
Welp. I won't be using them anymore.
 
2021-07-17 1:48:36 PM  

Linux_Yes: TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.

I recommend Credit Karma


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Credit Scama
 
2021-07-17 2:03:25 PM  

Diogenes: I was over TurboTax awhile ago for various reasons.  This is just another reason for the pile.


I dropped them when they were hacked and my information was stolen and used to file fake tax returns. I still have to get issued IRS filing numbers every year and proof I am me to file now.

On the good side, this year I ended 3 companies reliance on using QuickBooks and implemented them with new invoicing software and accountant software that integrates into their own self made software and streamlined.

Saved a lot of money and hassle to support and train on an additional system and anything that saves people having to use Intuit software is a big plus.
 
2021-07-17 2:03:37 PM  

GardenWeasel: Linux_Yes: TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.

I recommend Credit Karma

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Credit Scama


Ive used them to pay my taxes for 4 years now
No issues
Free fed and state filing and direct deposit

As Borat would say:Niiiiiice!
 
2021-07-17 2:18:00 PM  

Linux_Yes: GardenWeasel: Linux_Yes: TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.

I recommend Credit Karma

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Credit Scama

Ive used them to pay my taxes for 4 years now
No issues
Free fed and state filing and direct deposit

As Borat would say:Niiiiiice!


Intuit owns Credit Karma.
 
2021-07-17 2:28:41 PM  

downstairs: I thought for some reason they were forced to offer this free tax filing, which is why they hid it behind a ton of misleading buttons and links...


And I thought it was part of the deal to keep the IRS from just doing our taxes for us and only filing if we dispute.
 
2021-07-17 2:31:02 PM  
I stopped using turbotax years ago. These companies lobby to keep taxes complicated. I've used Credit Karma the last few years and filled for free.
 
2021-07-17 2:41:22 PM  

dustman81: Linux_Yes: GardenWeasel: Linux_Yes: TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.

I recommend Credit Karma

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Credit Scama

Ive used them to pay my taxes for 4 years now
No issues
Free fed and state filing and direct deposit

As Borat would say:Niiiiiice!

Intuit owns Credit Karma.


Nope

Square owns it now
 
2021-07-17 2:42:08 PM  

gregario: I stopped using turbotax years ago. These companies lobby to keep taxes complicated. I've used Credit Karma the last few years and filled for free.


Same here

Very happy w Credit Karma
 
2021-07-17 2:49:02 PM  

hugadarn: Well I guess the government doesn't have to honor its end of the bargain then. The IRS can offer auto file like every other modern country.


As a gubment employee I get to file for free so I'm getting a kick...

/now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to my overpaid job according to the interwebs
 
2021-07-17 2:53:27 PM  

morg: downstairs: I thought for some reason they were forced to offer this free tax filing, which is why they hid it behind a ton of misleading buttons and links...

And I thought it was part of the deal to keep the IRS from just doing our taxes for us and only filing if we dispute.


Yes!  That was it!  Maybe now the IRS will just do what it should be doing... figuring taxes, sending a bill or refund, wipe hands.  Even 1099'ers would be easy.
 
2021-07-17 3:51:35 PM  
I started using TaxACT many years ago. Back when I was a broke college student. It had free federal file and a reasonably priced State file (was in IL at the time). 

Since then, I have continued to use it because it is simple, relatively hassle free and imports my data from one year to the next. Now that I am less broke and make too much money for free federal file, I still use them and pay a bit for the privilege. Which is what is supposed to happen, I think.

Please nobody tell me that TaxACT was hacked or did something else above the usual levels of corporate shadiness. I mean, please do- I would just rather I don't have to find a different platform.
 
2021-07-17 4:06:50 PM  
They are probably butthurt that their scam program is being publicized

https://www.propublica.org/article/tu​r​botax-just-tricked-you-into-paying-to-​file-your-taxes

/tl;dr you went looking for Intuit Free File, they dark-pattern you towards downloading  Turbo Tax Free Edition, which is less free than sounds

/even HR Block is tricksy.  3 FREE E-FILES included they say.   Well, except to file for an extension.  That costs.  A lot.
//I used a stamp
 
2021-07-17 8:28:01 PM  
It's not Intuit's job to make tax filing easier or free. But fine, go ahead and blame them for the IRS's and congress's completely obfuscated tax code.
 
2021-07-17 9:41:18 PM  

Russ1642: It's not Intuit's job to make tax filing easier or free. But fine, go ahead and blame them for the IRS's and congress's completely obfuscated tax code.


OK

https://www.propublica.org/article/in​s​ide-turbotax-20-year-fight-to-stop-ame​ricans-from-filing-their-taxes-for-fre​e
 
2021-07-17 9:41:57 PM  
Oddly I found the path to free filing through them for the first time.last year. I felt like I got away with something.
 
2021-07-17 9:51:40 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Russ1642: It's not Intuit's job to make tax filing easier or free. But fine, go ahead and blame them for the IRS's and congress's completely obfuscated tax code.

OK

https://www.propublica.org/article/ins​ide-turbotax-20-year-fight-to-stop-ame​ricans-from-filing-their-taxes-for-fre​e


Well, your problem is worse than I've described but the problem is still clearly on the government side.
 
2021-07-17 10:13:10 PM  

TWX: Looks like it's time that I start shopping around for the next thing, since intuit is making it pretty clear that they don't want me to buy Turbotax anymore.


FreeTaxUsa (also TaxHawk and probably other names that use the same system).

Federal filing is free. States cost money. Better support costs <$10.

That and lobby your congresspeople for the government to actually fill out taxes like they should.
 
2021-07-17 10:14:54 PM  

Russ1642: Vlad_the_Inaner: Russ1642: It's not Intuit's job to make tax filing easier or free. But fine, go ahead and blame them for the IRS's and congress's completely obfuscated tax code.

OK

https://www.propublica.org/article/ins​ide-turbotax-20-year-fight-to-stop-ame​ricans-from-filing-their-taxes-for-fre​e

Well, your problem is worse than I've described but the problem is still clearly on the government side.


By assuming that tax filing industry would keep their word if the IRS didn't develop and release its own programs?

I suppose government's apparent credulousness when dealing with big money could be called a government problem

https://qz.com/1590961/taxpayers-are-​p​aying-turbotax-to-keep-taxes-complicat​ed/
 
2021-07-17 10:24:15 PM  
My taxes are too complicated for free filing so I end up having to pay every year anyway.
 
2021-07-17 11:26:42 PM  
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2021-07-18 12:08:48 AM  

sprgrss: My taxes are too complicated for free filing so I end up having to pay every year anyway.


So are mine! I have one income and... a 1098-e.

Intuit said I need to pay them $100 to claim that 1098-e.
 
2021-07-18 12:45:16 AM  

sprgrss: My taxes are too complicated for free filing so I end up having to pay every year anyway.


I'm reasonably certain that IRS freefile is still free for complex taxes if you are under the income limit. Intuit offers their own "free" version that upsells you and have been doing their best to funnel everyone off of freefile for years.
 
2021-07-18 3:45:20 AM  

downstairs: I thought for some reason they were forced to offer this free tax filing, which is why they hid it behind a ton of misleading buttons and links...


They took a pile of money to allow people to file for free.  They just prefer to get paid twice for the same job.
 
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