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2021-07-17 3:12:24 AM  
"Yes, we had other ideas for the ending. No, we're not going to tell you what they were."
 
2021-07-17 3:32:20 AM  

EdgeRunner: "Yes, we had other ideas for the ending. No, we're not going to tell you what they were."


But, "What if?"
 
2021-07-17 3:33:15 AM  
Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.
 
2021-07-17 3:44:02 AM  

moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.


You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.
 
2021-07-17 3:54:54 AM  

scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.


Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.
 
2021-07-17 4:58:17 AM  
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2021-07-17 4:59:42 AM  
Everything is better with a Variant Loki
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2021-07-17 6:38:43 AM  
Infinite universes means at least one where Richard E. Grant and Tom Hiddleston have a long running CBS detective show "Loki & Loki"
 
2021-07-17 6:51:14 AM  
That article was useless.  It basically said "In the writers room, there were lots of ideas before we actually came up with the final script."
 
2021-07-17 7:14:29 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: That article was useless.  It basically said "In the writers room, there were lots of ideas before we actually came up with the final script."


Welcome to the internet.
 
2021-07-17 7:19:46 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Infinite universes means at least one where Richard E. Grant and Tom Hiddleston have a long running CBS detective show "Loki & Loki"


Or a Turner and Hooch type thing starring Classic and Aligator Lokis
 
2021-07-17 7:21:13 AM  

EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.


I'm okay with people not liking what I like. Or liking what I don't like.

But making authoritative statements about it like it wasn't good isn't really true, useful, or contributory. If you thought it was too slow, or you didn't get it, or you didn't feel the payoff... There's nothing there I'm going to argue with you about because it's his you feel.

Saying "it's bad" or wanting to see the variant of the show Loki where "it's good" is begging for people to argue with you.

Maybe the people who start these argumentive chains should consider what they say a little more carefully if they don't want angry responses.
 
2021-07-17 7:39:09 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: LeoffDaGrate: That article was useless.  It basically said "In the writers room, there were lots of ideas before we actually came up with the final script."

Welcome to the internet.


It's bad enough a nothing article was posted online, but what troll submitted and which bozo approved it here?
 
2021-07-17 7:55:36 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: Tyrone Slothrop: LeoffDaGrate: That article was useless.  It basically said "In the writers room, there were lots of ideas before we actually came up with the final script."

Welcome to the internet.

It's bad enough a nothing article was posted online, but what troll submitted and which bozo approved it here?


Fine I'll say it.

It's not news, it's Fark...
 
2021-07-17 8:23:37 AM  
Alligator Loki takes the deal with He Who Remains and spends eternity pruning variants with his teeth.
 
2021-07-17 8:26:37 AM  
I loved it. Glad the ending didn't turn into the Lokii exchanging green and purple lasers with Kang (or each other) and that they set up a second season.

/these buddy cop Loki shows have to work in Owen Wilson
 
2021-07-17 8:32:09 AM  

robertus: /these buddy cop Loki shows have to work in Owen Wilson


Have the "Loki and Loki" title in the shape of a Mobius strip ;)
 
2021-07-17 8:35:26 AM  
WHAR GIANT SKY BEAM?
 
2021-07-17 8:54:06 AM  

Quantumbunny: EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.

I'm okay with people not liking what I like. Or liking what I don't like.

But making authoritative statements about it like it wasn't good isn't really true, useful, or contributory. If you thought it was too slow, or you didn't get it, or you didn't feel the payoff... There's nothing there I'm going to argue with you about because it's his you feel.

Saying "it's bad" or wanting to see the variant of the show Loki where "it's good" is begging for people to argue with you.

Maybe the people who start these argumentive chains should consider what they say a little more carefully if they don't want angry responses.


Right, because the fans never state their love for the show in an authoritative way. Just like you're certainly not authoritatively declaring all criticism invalid because you don't like the tone you think you're hearing.

This is an open forum, not a Disney+ fansite, and complaints about the show are every bit as valid as praise here. As a fan, you might strongly disagree with the complaints, but you don't get to dismiss them on behalf of the group as being unworthy of anyone's time. If you insist the critiques are wrong, you have to give reasons why you think they're wrong. That's how discussions work. Brushing off every critique as "argumentative" just makes it sound like you have nothing to counter with.
 
2021-07-17 8:55:40 AM  
This is the show I want to see.

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2021-07-17 9:21:04 AM  

EdgeRunner: "Yes, we had other ideas for the ending. No, we're not going to tell you what they were."


Kinda noticed that. Kinda disappointed.
 
2021-07-17 10:29:09 AM  

EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.

I'm okay with people not liking what I like. Or liking what I don't like.

But making authoritative statements about it like it wasn't good isn't really true, useful, or contributory. If you thought it was too slow, or you didn't get it, or you didn't feel the payoff... There's nothing there I'm going to argue with you about because it's his you feel.

Saying "it's bad" or wanting to see the variant of the show Loki where "it's good" is begging for people to argue with you.

Maybe the people who start these argumentive chains should consider what they say a little more carefully if they don't want angry responses.

Right, because the fans never state their love for the show in an authoritative way. Just like you're certainly not authoritatively declaring all criticism invalid because you don't like the tone you think you're hearing.

This is an open forum, not a Disney+ fansite, and complaints about the show are every bit as valid as praise here. As a fan, you might strongly disagree with the complaints, but you don't get to dismiss them on behalf of the group as being unworthy of anyone's time. If you insist the critiques are wrong, you have to give reasons why you think they're wrong. That's how discussions work. Brushing off every critique as "argumentative" just makes it sound like you have nothing to counter with.


That was actually my point. If you state criticisms we can have a discussion. If you blindly say "it was bad", there's no discussion to be had.

You didn't like it, fair enough. But WHY? You should either be specific enough to facilitate a discussion of that's your goal.

Saying only "Thing Good" or "Thing Bad" is inflammatory by nature. The most common path forward is argument and heated emotion.

I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue" you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Because the other option if you don't like something and can't articulate why, is not under yourself into the discussion in the first place. Which is an option.
 
2021-07-17 11:01:28 AM  

Quantumbunny: I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue"


Your shiatty strawman is not why I didn't like it. Who thinks Loki is going to be an action show?
Great concept and great character and they both went nowhere with them. Loki himself was wiped clean and turned into a dull stock hero.

you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Yeah all of your reasons are just as irrational as your Boobies. You cannot conceive of the fact that someone legitimately dislikes your bad show.

Are you seriously calling me a racist for not liking what you like? What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2021-07-17 11:05:19 AM  

moothemagiccow: Quantumbunny: I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue"

Your shiatty strawman is not why I didn't like it. Who thinks Loki is going to be an action show?
Great concept and great character and they both went nowhere with them. Loki himself was wiped clean and turned into a dull stock hero.

you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Yeah all of your reasons are just as irrational as your Boobies. You cannot conceive of the fact that someone legitimately dislikes your bad show.

Are you seriously calling me a racist for not liking what you like? What the fark is wrong with you?


How dare people be entertained by something I didn't enjoy. Now let me waste my Saturday dying on this hill to prove why they are wrong
 
2021-07-17 11:05:52 AM  
moothemagiccow:

You seem so dreadfully unhappy. :(
 
2021-07-17 11:33:43 AM  
There's no discussion, just attacks on anyone who disagrees.

Welcome to Fark.
 
2021-07-17 12:05:28 PM  

moothemagiccow: Quantumbunny: I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue"

Your shiatty strawman is not why I didn't like it. Who thinks Loki is going to be an action show?
Great concept and great character and they both went nowhere with them. Loki himself was wiped clean and turned into a dull stock hero.

you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Yeah all of your reasons are just as irrational as your Boobies. You cannot conceive of the fact that someone legitimately dislikes your bad show.

Are you seriously calling me a racist for not liking what you like? What the fark is wrong with you?


I don't understand why you think is personal. I know nothing about you at all. I'm not saying your reasons, and the fact you are taking any of this personally is really weird.

I'm merely giving examples I've seen in the last 6 threads about this on the last 3 days.

The overall point is, that if you going to post expecting a discussion, you should give rationale. If you don't want other people to respond and interact with you, why are you saying it in the first place?
 
2021-07-17 1:45:09 PM  

moothemagiccow: Quantumbunny: I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue"

Your shiatty strawman is not why I didn't like it. Who thinks Loki is going to be an action show?
Great concept and great character and they both went nowhere with them. Loki himself was wiped clean and turned into a dull stock hero.

you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Yeah all of your reasons are just as irrational as your Boobies. You cannot conceive of the fact that someone legitimately dislikes your bad show.

Are you seriously calling me a racist for not liking what you like? What the fark is wrong with you?


you're not big on reading comprehension, are you?
 
2021-07-17 2:12:16 PM  

Quantumbunny: moothemagiccow: Quantumbunny: I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue"

Your shiatty strawman is not why I didn't like it. Who thinks Loki is going to be an action show?
Great concept and great character and they both went nowhere with them. Loki himself was wiped clean and turned into a dull stock hero.

you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Yeah all of your reasons are just as irrational as your Boobies. You cannot conceive of the fact that someone legitimately dislikes your bad show.

Are you seriously calling me a racist for not liking what you like? What the fark is wrong with you?

I don't understand why you think is personal. I know nothing about you at all. I'm not saying your reasons, and the fact you are taking any of this personally is really weird.

I'm merely giving examples I've seen in the last 6 threads about this on the last 3 days.

The overall point is, that if you going to post expecting a discussion, you should give rationale. If you don't want other people to respond and interact with you, why are you saying it in the first place?


You claim you want honest, non-judgmental discussion, but you're also throwing out things like this:

I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue" you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Your automatic go-to is that anyone who has a general complaint that isn't fully explained to your liking must be a troll or a racist. That's both dismissive and derogatory, and not a sign of someone looking for a good faith conversation.

But what the hell, let's see how you respond to more detailed criticisms. Here's just a few basic problems that casual viewers had with the final episode:

It does have too much dialogue. There's so much dialogue it's practically a radio play. And no, Loki and Sylvie having a very brief sparring match with no stakes, as we know neither is going to hurt the other, does much at all to liven up the exposition train. The problem isn't that "people expected it to be an action show", it's that when the prior episode has a spectacular build up to getting to the big bad, you don't have the big bad turn out to be yet another person yammering away behind a desk. That's annoyingly anti-climactic, and it makes the Architect scene from the second Matrix seem economical by comparison. At the very least, you break that up by cutting away to other more dynamic scenes. But the side story of Mobius "burning down the TVA" mostly consists of other people standing by desks and also yammering away. The series would have benefited greatly if they ended the season with episode 5, and saved the underwhelming introduction of Kang for the season 2 opener.

Also, "Oh no, Kang is coming!" is only exciting to comic fans who already know who the character is. For the casual viewer, the big reveal amounts to learning that instead of three Timekeepers trying to prevent a multiverse war, there's just one. One guy who talks up a storm for roughly 20 to 30 minutes of screen time. That's a wet splat of a conclusion. Plus it's nothing but plot details that don't provide any satisfying emotional payoffs. It doesn't play into the bigger themes of the show, Loki has no struggle whatsoever turning down the ultimate power he's supposedly been seeking his entire life, his acceptance of the story is too quick and complete, and he's easily pushed out of the way so that Sylvie can take the predictable action to move the story along. For what should be a wild free-for-all of a tale, it really does feel as confined and rote as the TVA wants it to be. It doesn't even have the spark to mine some fragment of fun out of the moment when scripts are literally thrown at the players. Any other show would have a field day with all the opportunities for meta humor, but this series about the God of Mischief is oddly restrained and uninventive.

And then there's the overall problem of trying to reform Loki at all. He's vain, he's arrogant, he's a backstabbing murderer, and above all else, he's clownish and incredibly stupid. That's by design, because he's an antagonist intended to be regularly outwitted by the thickheaded Thor. As a villain, Loki's on par with Cobra Commander. A blustering fool who we enjoy seeing get stomped for his foolishness. Take all that away and we're left with what? An affably bland magician who still deserves life imprisonment for his earlier crimes? Reforming him doesn't excuse him, it just makes him boring.

Oh well. At least they're not trying to fix his defining character trait of being a total idiot.

"How did you survive Thanos?"

"I didn't just walk up to him thinking I could stab the supreme terror of the universe with a knife. I survived by not being a complete and utter moron."

"Ah, good to know! Well, I'm off to confront an even greater power who bends time to his will and reduces Infinity Stones into paperweights. I plan to just walk up to him and stab him with a knife."

"Oh for Frigga's sake, why did they give you your own series instead of the alligator? The alligator's smarter and more formidible."
 
2021-07-17 2:51:28 PM  

moothemagiccow: Quantumbunny: I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue"

Your shiatty strawman is not why I didn't like it. Who thinks Loki is going to be an action show?
Great concept and great character and they both went nowhere with them. Loki himself was wiped clean and turned into a dull stock hero.

you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Yeah all of your reasons are just as irrational as your Boobies. You cannot conceive of the fact that someone legitimately dislikes your bad show.

Are you seriously calling me a racist for not liking what you like? What the fark is wrong with you?


That wasn't a "strawman", it was just an example the OP made up on the fly. You probably think that any lie you hear is "gaslighting", every Twitter response is "an epic takedown", and every video is "viral" too.

Words have definitions. You should learn some of them.
 
2021-07-17 2:52:52 PM  
So, a variant, then?
 
2021-07-17 4:03:26 PM  
I feel like what this "interview" is trying to suggest is - "No, Disney/Marvel didn't order us to write a story that just exists to set up Phase 4, we just felt like doing it."
 
2021-07-17 4:23:28 PM  
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A crummy cliffhanger?

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2021-07-17 4:24:19 PM  

EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.


i've noticed this with Loki that it wasn't there for Falcon or Wandavision. If you *dare* say you didn't like literally every frame of Loki, some toxic asshole will jump down your throat about how you "didn't understand" or it "was meant to be like that"
 
2021-07-17 4:49:08 PM  

EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: moothemagiccow: Quantumbunny: I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue"

Your shiatty strawman is not why I didn't like it. Who thinks Loki is going to be an action show?
Great concept and great character and they both went nowhere with them. Loki himself was wiped clean and turned into a dull stock hero.

you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Yeah all of your reasons are just as irrational as your Boobies. You cannot conceive of the fact that someone legitimately dislikes your bad show.

Are you seriously calling me a racist for not liking what you like? What the fark is wrong with you?

I don't understand why you think is personal. I know nothing about you at all. I'm not saying your reasons, and the fact you are taking any of this personally is really weird.

I'm merely giving examples I've seen in the last 6 threads about this on the last 3 days.

The overall point is, that if you going to post expecting a discussion, you should give rationale. If you don't want other people to respond and interact with you, why are you saying it in the first place?

You claim you want honest, non-judgmental discussion, but you're also throwing out things like this:

I have to believe without people saying things more specifically like"I wanted it to be an action series, and there was too much dialogue" you're either purposely hiding your reason (black guy in screen too long) or being inflammatory intentionally aka trolling.

Your automatic go-to is that anyone who has a general complaint that isn't fully explained to your liking must be a troll or a racist. That's both dismissive and derogatory, and not a sign of someone looking for a good faith conversation.

But what the hell, let's see how you respond to more detailed criticisms. Here's just a few basic problems that casual viewers had with the final episode:

It does have too much dialogue. There's so much dialogue it's practically a radio play. And no, Loki and Sylvie having a very brief sparring match with no stakes, as we know neither is going to hurt the other, does much at all to liven up the exposition train. The problem isn't that "people expected it to be an action show", it's that when the prior episode has a spectacular build up to getting to the big bad, you don't have the big bad turn out to be yet another person yammering away behind a desk. That's annoyingly anti-climactic, and it makes the Architect scene from the second Matrix seem economical by comparison. At the very least, you break that up by cutting away to other more dynamic scenes. But the side story of Mobius "burning down the TVA" mostly consists of other people standing by desks and also yammering away. The series would have benefited greatly if they ended the season with episode 5, and saved the underwhelming introduction of Kang for the season 2 opener.

Also, "Oh no, Kang is coming!" is only exciting to comic fans who already know who the character is. For the casual viewer, the big reveal amounts to learning that instead of three Timekeepers trying to prevent a multiverse war, there's just one. One guy who talks up a storm for roughly 20 to 30 minutes of screen time. That's a wet splat of a conclusion. Plus it's nothing but plot details that don't provide any satisfying emotional payoffs. It doesn't play into the bigger themes of the show, Loki has no struggle whatsoever turning down the ultimate power he's supposedly been seeking his entire life, his acceptance of the story is too quick and complete, and he's easily pushed out of the way so that Sylvie can take the predictable action to move the story along. For what should be a wild free-for-all of a tale, it really does feel as confined and rote as the TVA wants it to be. It doesn't even have the spark to mine some fragment of fun out of the moment when scripts are literally thrown at the players. Any other show would have a field day with all the opportunities for meta humor, but this series about the God of Mischief is oddly restrained and uninventive.

And then there's the overall problem of trying to reform Loki at all. He's vain, he's arrogant, he's a backstabbing murderer, and above all else, he's clownish and incredibly stupid. That's by design, because he's an antagonist intended to be regularly outwitted by the thickheaded Thor. As a villain, Loki's on par with Cobra Commander. A blustering fool who we enjoy seeing get stomped for his foolishness. Take all that away and we're left with what? An affably bland magician who still deserves life imprisonment for his earlier crimes? Reforming him doesn't excuse him, it just makes him boring.

Oh well. At least they're not trying to fix his defining character trait of being a total idiot.

"How did you survive Thanos?"

"I didn't just walk up to him thinking I could stab the supreme terror of the universe with a knife. I survived by not being a complete and utter moron."

"Ah, good to know! Well, I'm off to confront an even greater power who bends time to his will and reduces Infinity Stones into paperweights. I plan to just walk up to him and stab him with a knife."

"Oh for Frigga's sake, why did they give you your own series instead of the alligator? The alligator's smarter and more formidible."


Starting with that massive sprawling scene... (I'm also a casual viewer, btw. I've heard of Kang in other Marvel cartoons, but I've never read even an issue of the comics).

I think there was too much of the same, it seemed liked the entire castle was made out of a black marble with gold streaks, including the doors, furniture, etc. To me that's a set design issue that contributed to the overall feeling of boredom in that scene.

As for you much dialogue, I'm not sure the dialogue was the issue, it was there wasn't enough going on in the first place for that much dialogue to carry the scene. I would have done something to different to solve that as a director. As we talked about the in another thread, a better use of their CGI would have been fully holographic scenes, instead of little gray models. Then while Kang was walking through it, the audience would have more immersion and better visualization. I personally think this was likely a bad budget cutting decision.

I also think that the stakes weren't about Sylvie or Loki actually winning that fight, obviously we knew neither of them would want to rule and continue the pruning. It was a battle of selves that furthered the whole plot. I don't think Loki was the protagonist, for instance. I think he was out gateway into the story, but Sylvie was the protagonist. The whole show was about her growth, foiling Loki who has already grown, which is why he became a variant in the first place. How initial fighting against the acceptance of that was to show that Loki's don't change well. Old Loki confirmed it was possible. So, was that fight the best way to portray this? Not necessarily, but Sylvie had to either go against her improving self and throw it away, or get what she's always wanted knowing it wouldn't be the salvation she hoped for. Pushing away Loki was her making that choice after the struggle.

I do also agree that Mobius and the judge should have been more. Mobius turning her and them dismantling the TVA would have been fun.

But what I think you are missing is the emotional payoff was an emotional payoff not an action payoff. Loki and Sylvie's fight was more of a metaphor than a real battle scene. I can see how that wouldn't hit the same way, but, it didn't ruin anything for me. I never expected any big fights within 6 episodes. I expected a buddy cop show, but that got all turned on its head.

Another thing they revealed without saying it was that whole sacred timeline was a ring. It was a time loop. So breaking out of that for free choice is exactly what I wanted Loki and Sylvie to do. Loki didn't need to struggle to turn it down. This was resolved earlier when he process he would go with Sylvie and not turn on her. This was about Sylvie's struggle.

The script you thought was wasted was all about confirming that time loop, and the moment they started to deviate from it.

You and moo both have referenced the Matrix and the architect scene, which isn't unfair, but I'm not sure it's that tight of a parallel.

Loki is a God of Chaos not an idiot. Fighting against himself and his younger sibling issues is where his growth came from, but we already saw that growth in the mainline MCU movies. Loki as just a bumbling idiot fails to see a lot of his character, but he isn't stupid. He is vain, and he is blinded by power, mostly because he never faced consequences. Once consequences became visible, he started to change. Just like the time loop with him getting stomped by the lover while he was being softened for interrogation.

Again, I would ask you to think back about Loki's development as a character in the MCU and see if thinking of Sylvie as the main protagonist changes your viewpoint any.
 
2021-07-17 4:51:17 PM  

replacementcool: EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.

i've noticed this with Loki that it wasn't there for Falcon or Wandavision. If you *dare* say you didn't like literally every frame of Loki, some toxic asshole will jump down your throat about how you "didn't understand" or it "was meant to be like that"


I didn't like every frame of Loki. I enjoyed it, I thought it was fun.

If you didn't, that's great, but I don't think any of us are jumping down your throat if you didn't like it. From our point of view, you're the asshole at a party coming over to a group excitedly discussing something and saying you didn't like it.

How exactly do you think that's going to go? And what is the point of you doing that in the first place?
 
2021-07-17 5:48:47 PM  

replacementcool: EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.

i've noticed this with Loki that it wasn't there for Falcon or Wandavision. If you *dare* say you didn't like literally every frame of Loki, some toxic asshole will jump down your throat about how you "didn't understand" or it "was meant to be like that"


Maybe people are just tired of having every goddamn thing they like be trashed by people who think they are tragically edgy.
 
2021-07-17 6:37:39 PM  
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2021-07-17 6:45:20 PM  

Quantumbunny: replacementcool: EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.

i've noticed this with Loki that it wasn't there for Falcon or Wandavision. If you *dare* say you didn't like literally every frame of Loki, some toxic asshole will jump down your throat about how you "didn't understand" or it "was meant to be like that"

I didn't like every frame of Loki. I enjoyed it, I thought it was fun.

If you didn't, that's great, but I don't think any of us are jumping down your throat if you didn't like it. From our point of view, you're the asshole at a party coming over to a group excitedly discussing something and saying you didn't like it.

How exactly do you think that's going to go? And what is the point of you doing that in the first place?


I think your demanding an essay explaining why he has to justify a stated opinion and then going "OH WELL MAYBE YOU'RE JUST A RACIST IS THAT IT HUH" absolutely makes you the asshole here.
 
2021-07-17 6:47:58 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: replacementcool: EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.

i've noticed this with Loki that it wasn't there for Falcon or Wandavision. If you *dare* say you didn't like literally every frame of Loki, some toxic asshole will jump down your throat about how you "didn't understand" or it "was meant to be like that"

Maybe people are just tired of having every goddamn thing they like be trashed by people who think they are tragically edgy.


maybe i want the things I like to be better, and identifying issues within that is how it works.
 
2021-07-17 7:12:36 PM  
As someone who was a journalist, put the writer and editor against the wall for wasting space on CLICKBAIT. Christ, I left the media industry before this shiat became de rigueur. "We need any content to get 10 more clicks for ad revenue! Write anything!"

Story:
"We had another idea."
"About what?"
"... We had another idea, that's all we're saying, and you're writing that to the suckers reading."
END

/So, Kang is Rick Sanchez of Rick & Morty, just sober, a tad more competent and more into ruling large populations instead of a family. And Black instead of Hispanic. Got it.
//Not a comic book guy, but I posted the above sentence on my Facebook and ye gods, the CBG's I know went into a tizzy.
 
2021-07-17 8:34:48 PM  

Quantumbunny: Again, I would ask you to think back about Loki's development as a character in the MCU and see if thinking of Sylvie as the main protagonist changes your viewpoint any.


I agree that she absolutely should be the main protagonist, but it doesn't make me feel better about the show. It just underlines how unbalanced it is. Loki is the central character, but he really shouldn't be. Sylvie's the one we want to be following, not the passive do-nothing who's essentially been reduced to being her hapless Jiminy Cricket.

As for how he's grown due to his experiences, it all happens too quickly and it doesn't fit the character. We're supposed to accept that learning his mother dies because of his own blundering treachery is a life changing moment. But we already know it isn't, because the "real" Loki, the one who actually experienced the loss of his mother firsthand, hadn't changed at all by the end of Thor 2 or throughout Thor 3. He's still the same selfish unreliable twit, and he goes out like a chump in Infinity War because he's still none too bright.

The bigger frustration with the show is they heavily advertised it with that scene of President Loki trying to pull something and getting turned on by his own troops. The expectation was we'd get anti-hero MCU Loki jumping from place to place trying to pull his usual cons and swindles, and getting himself deeper and deeper into trouble. That series would have been fun. But instead they want to redeem him, something that happened far too quickly, and instead of making him sympathetic, it's robbing him of the qualities that made him stand out. This Loki, the one who automatically believes the story that "something worse is coming", doesn't ask nearly enough questions about the details, and then rushes to play Paul Revere hoping to save everyone? He might as well be Sam from the Transformers movies now. He's just another bland protagonist swept up in a plot where everyone else is far more interesting than him, and I don't need another season of this guy. The best I can say for the series is that it's a great Doctor Who audition reel.

For Sophia Di Martino, that is. She'd be fantastic.
 
2021-07-17 9:01:35 PM  

Practical_Draconian: As someone who was a journalist, put the writer and editor against the wall for wasting space on CLICKBAIT. Christ, I left the media industry before this shiat became de rigueur. "We need any content to get 10 more clicks for ad revenue! Write anything!"

Story:
"We had another idea."
"About what?"
"... We had another idea, that's all we're saying, and you're writing that to the suckers reading."
END

/So, Kang is Rick Sanchez of Rick & Morty, just sober, a tad more competent and more into ruling large populations instead of a family. And Black instead of Hispanic. Got it.
//Not a comic book guy, but I posted the above sentence on my Facebook and ye gods, the CBG's I know went into a tizzy.


that's when rick and morty writers rip off rick and morty writers (who were themselves)  who ripped off marvel.
 
2021-07-17 9:02:00 PM  
er, what happens when.
 
2021-07-17 10:36:45 PM  
The Disney+ Marvel shows are tending towards a swing and a miss lately.

Netflix had a better track record.  Sure Iron Fist sucked, but they had a much better hits to misses record.
 
2021-07-18 1:58:27 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Alligator Loki takes the deal with He Who Remains and spends eternity pruning variants with his teeth.


He's Ammit the All Devourer?
 
2021-07-18 3:13:20 AM  

replacementcool: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: replacementcool: EdgeRunner: scalpod: moothemagiccow: Yes, yes, there were potentially infinite endings, yada yada yada. I'm going to the alternate universe where this show was good.

You should go back to the one just before it where anyone would've cared about your opinion.

Is there a better defense for this series than just getting snippy whenever someone says they didn't love it? Fans need to be less precious about their darlings and learn to accept their opinions aren't the only correct ones.

i've noticed this with Loki that it wasn't there for Falcon or Wandavision. If you *dare* say you didn't like literally every frame of Loki, some toxic asshole will jump down your throat about how you "didn't understand" or it "was meant to be like that"

Maybe people are just tired of having every goddamn thing they like be trashed by people who think they are tragically edgy.

maybe i want the things I like to be better, and identifying issues within that is how it works.


It's both cute and sad that you think that's what you're doing.
 
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