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(Montana Standard)   Massive solar project slated to be put in Butte won't see light of day after vanishing into black hole of resistance from residents who don't want it stuck in their back yards   (mtstandard.com) divider line
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2021-07-16 2:31:05 PM  
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2021-07-16 3:03:22 PM  
Golf clap for subby
 
2021-07-16 3:32:31 PM  
They should offer the nearby residents free electricity for five years, see if their tune changes then.

"I'm relieved," she said, "and hopeful that they will try to put the power somewhere else. Something smaller on some of this unused land in a more appropriate place."

Build a framework over the top of the toxic Berkeley Pit and put the panels there.  Perhaps it would keep all the birds from landing and dying in it.

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2021-07-16 4:01:23 PM  
Yet they don't even notice the massive mines.
 
2021-07-16 4:10:53 PM  

little big man: They should offer the nearby residents free electricity for five years, see if their tune changes then.

"I'm relieved," she said, "and hopeful that they will try to put the power somewhere else. Something smaller on some of this unused land in a more appropriate place."

Build a framework over the top of the toxic Berkeley Pit and put the panels there.  Perhaps it would keep all the birds from landing and dying in it.

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That's a big dirty brown Butte hole.
 
2021-07-16 4:29:25 PM  
I wonder how it would fare during an annular eclipse?
 
2021-07-16 4:29:59 PM  

wiredroach: I wonder how it would fare during an annular eclipse?


I imagine it would be unremarkable.
 
2021-07-16 4:30:03 PM  
Have biden issue an EO evicting all people from Butte.  Just eminent domain all the land, and have the valuation at $1 for the whole town.

Problem solved.
 
2021-07-16 4:30:37 PM  
I was going to say it's Butte...  can't get much uglier there.
 
2021-07-16 4:31:13 PM  
Nothing says "ads are minimally invasive" like one that blocks the whole screen and has a fake Close button that redirects to the ad.
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2021-07-16 4:32:01 PM  
probably afraid of klingons overwhelming their windy valleys
 
2021-07-16 4:32:11 PM  
NIMBYs and BANANAs will be the death of us all
 
2021-07-16 4:32:16 PM  
They had big plans, but the zoning board wrecked 'em.
 
2021-07-16 4:32:26 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have biden issue an EO evicting all people from Butte.  Just eminent domain all the land, and have the valuation at $1 for the whole town.

Problem solved.


Isn't already the biggest Superfund site in the country?
 
2021-07-16 4:33:23 PM  
Solar panels? In MY Butte? I hear there is one black family in Montana; can't we kick them out and use their land for the solar panels?
 
2021-07-16 4:33:49 PM  
My in-laws leased out part of their rural farm to a solar company.  Of course one of the family/neighbors complained and tried to get it stopped- he was afraid the road would intrude on his land (it wouldn't) or that it would be unsightly (like most things in that poverty-stricken rural area)

Solar company eventually tossed him some dollars and promised to plant trees along the property line and things worked out.
 
2021-07-16 4:34:03 PM  
Where should the solar project go?

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2021-07-16 4:35:41 PM  
My word people are stupid. I guess everyone here already knew that though.
 
2021-07-16 4:37:55 PM  
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No problem.
 
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2021-07-16 4:39:16 PM  
Strange. I always thought that Butte was where the sun don't shine.
 
2021-07-16 4:42:30 PM  
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2021-07-16 4:42:43 PM  

meat0918: NIMBYs and BANANAs will be the death of us all


What about Hollaback Girls?

/ A few times I've been around that track
So it's not just gonna happen like that
'Cause I ain't no Hollaback Girl

// It's bananas, B-a-n-a-n-a-s
 
2021-07-16 4:44:21 PM  

little big man: They should offer the nearby residents free electricity for five years, see if their tune changes then.

"I'm relieved," she said, "and hopeful that they will try to put the power somewhere else. Something smaller on some of this unused land in a more appropriate place."

Build a framework over the top of the toxic Berkeley Pit and put the panels there.  Perhaps it would keep all the birds from landing and dying in it.

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You wouldn't need a framework - just some barges.
 
2021-07-16 4:44:46 PM  
As a former Montanan I was annoyed.  Then IRTFA and realized probably most of the power was going to go to a crypto miner. Now I'm less annoyed it was rejected. Perhaps they actually did pull their heads out of their Butte
 
2021-07-16 4:46:27 PM  

Gordon Bennett: little big man: They should offer the nearby residents free electricity for five years, see if their tune changes then.

"I'm relieved," she said, "and hopeful that they will try to put the power somewhere else. Something smaller on some of this unused land in a more appropriate place."

Build a framework over the top of the toxic Berkeley Pit and put the panels there.  Perhaps it would keep all the birds from landing and dying in it.

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That's a big dirty brown Butte hole.


There is an excellent, excellent documentary out about that hole.   One of the things I learned was that at the height of the Butte mining economy, Butte had more Irish in it than any other city in the country, including Boston and Chicago.

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/d​o​cumentaries/butte-america/
 
2021-07-16 4:47:19 PM  

Rent Party: Gordon Bennett: little big man: They should offer the nearby residents free electricity for five years, see if their tune changes then.

"I'm relieved," she said, "and hopeful that they will try to put the power somewhere else. Something smaller on some of this unused land in a more appropriate place."

Build a framework over the top of the toxic Berkeley Pit and put the panels there.  Perhaps it would keep all the birds from landing and dying in it.

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That's a big dirty brown Butte hole.

There is an excellent, excellent documentary out about that hole.   One of the things I learned was that at the height of the Butte mining economy, Butte had more Irish in it than any other city in the country, including Boston and Chicago.

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/do​cumentaries/butte-america/


And here I would have thought it'd be Greek.
 
2021-07-16 4:48:43 PM  

iheartscotch: meat0918: NIMBYs and BANANAs will be the death of us all

What about Hollaback Girls?

/ A few times I've been around that track
So it's not just gonna happen like that
'Cause I ain't no Hollaback Girl

// It's bananas, B-a-n-a-n-a-s


Build
Absolutely
Nothing
Anywhere
Near
Anybody
 
2021-07-16 4:50:02 PM  

meat0918: NIMBYs and BANANAs will be the death of us all


Depends on what it is.

For example, I DO NOT WANT the Navy practicing with their loud Growler jets to the point of where people can't go outside or sleep at night.
 
2021-07-16 4:54:16 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have biden issue an EO evicting all people from Butte.  Just eminent domain all the land, and have the valuation at $1 for the whole town.

Problem solved.


Yes God forbid people oppose a gigantic eyesore of a construction project in their town... I don't see you offering your back yard up for solar panels...
 
2021-07-16 4:55:41 PM  
Its all too easy to criticize the locals. We don't have to live there.
 
2021-07-16 4:56:49 PM  

BenjaminGrimm: As a former Montanan I was annoyed.  Then IRTFA and realized probably most of the power was going to go to a crypto miner. Now I'm less annoyed it was rejected. Perhaps they actually did pull their heads out of their Butte


In that case, yeah fark em, didn't realize crypto mining could use that much power.
 
2021-07-16 4:57:01 PM  

pschwarz0717: AmbassadorBooze: Have biden issue an EO evicting all people from Butte.  Just eminent domain all the land, and have the valuation at $1 for the whole town.

Problem solved.

Yes God forbid people oppose a gigantic eyesore of a construction project in their town... I don't see you offering your back yard up for solar panels...


Yet they're perfectly happy to pollute someone else's back yard for their power instead. Be it a coal plant, gas plant, nuke plant, etc.
 
2021-07-16 4:58:46 PM  

pschwarz0717: AmbassadorBooze: Have biden issue an EO evicting all people from Butte.  Just eminent domain all the land, and have the valuation at $1 for the whole town.

Problem solved.

Yes God forbid people oppose a gigantic eyesore of a construction project in their town... I don't see you offering your back yard up for solar panels...


They don't want to build in backyards. The value is that a huge contiguous installation can be wired directly to substations. Most likely the existing power concerns are rousing cheap rabble to fight this.
 
2021-07-16 5:00:33 PM  

pschwarz0717: AmbassadorBooze: Have biden issue an EO evicting all people from Butte.  Just eminent domain all the land, and have the valuation at $1 for the whole town.

Problem solved.

Yes God forbid people oppose a gigantic eyesore of a construction project in their town... I don't see you offering your back yard up for solar panels...


Millions of Americans gave put solar panels in their literal back yards (well, roof more commonly). How are you not seeing that?
 
2021-07-16 5:01:28 PM  
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2021-07-16 5:02:04 PM  

LindenFark: pschwarz0717: AmbassadorBooze: Have biden issue an EO evicting all people from Butte.  Just eminent domain all the land, and have the valuation at $1 for the whole town.

Problem solved.

Yes God forbid people oppose a gigantic eyesore of a construction project in their town... I don't see you offering your back yard up for solar panels...

Millions of Americans gave put solar panels in their literal back yards (well, roof more commonly). How are you not seeing that?


You do realize that a giant solar farm is different from a few panels on a roof right? This isn't a few roof panels...
 
2021-07-16 5:02:43 PM  
Bravo subby
 
2021-07-16 5:02:46 PM  

edmo: Yet they don't even notice the massive mines.


And they have no problems with pipelines, that also have few permanent jobs after initial construction.
 
2021-07-16 5:09:11 PM  
At this point it is just saying no to say no. Resisting change to resist change.

Yes, I know there are environmental impacts to solar. Yes, I know it's not perfect. But this is a place with a gigantic open pit mine that is now a superfund site. They got the heat wave too. Environmental impacts are not really what they are against.
 
2021-07-16 5:10:25 PM  
"They used one too many 'e's when they named that town."
--my Grandma, after seeing Butte MT for the first time from I-90

/not typing out that csb again
//i really should save them all to a .txt file
 
2021-07-16 5:11:43 PM  

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2021-07-16 5:13:12 PM  

Rent Party: There is an excellent, excellent documentary out about that hole. One of the things I learned was that at the height of the Butte mining economy, Butte had more Irish in it than any other city in the country, including Boston and Chicago.

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/do​cumentaries/butte-america/


They have a terrific Irish festival there.
 
2021-07-16 5:21:00 PM  

Myk-House of El: Rent Party: There is an excellent, excellent documentary out about that hole. One of the things I learned was that at the height of the Butte mining economy, Butte had more Irish in it than any other city in the country, including Boston and Chicago.

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/do​cumentaries/butte-america/

They have a terrific Irish festival there.


I saw the documentary at the Seattle Irish festival.   My wife made me go for a bunch of years, and it ended up being kind of fun, mostly for the films they showed.  Two other ones are "Ballymun Lullaby"  (https://www.imdb.com/title​/tt1847549/ ) which is about a music program at the now non-existent Ballymun Towers, the "...see seven towers but only one way out" line in the U2's "Running to Stand Still" towers.

The other was a short called "Pentecost,"  (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1866218​/ ) about a kid who is a football fanatic.  It might be the funniest short film I've ever seen.
 
2021-07-16 5:22:52 PM  
Look Montana, I've seen your Butte, and trust me when I say even an absolutely massive solar project isn't going to detract from the glorious scenery because there isn't any. It may, however, make your Butte look big.
 
2021-07-16 5:26:51 PM  
FTA:

The $250 million project to build 700,000 solar panels requires a special use permit because the land, part of the Gozden-McDermott ranch, is not zoned for industrial use. Project planners said it would produce nearly 300 megawatts annually - enough to meet the needs of more than 40,000 family homes.
That would make it one of the top 10 largest solar projects in the country.

Madison River Equity LLC leased the land for the project from John McDermott. The company is a subsidiary of Rick Tabish's FX Solutions, which constructed the nearby Atlas Power data center used to mine cryptocurrency. Atlas Power is owned by Kevin Washington, who said in May he would use the array to power his company and planned to buy the solar project after its construction.


So this giant array was going to end up just being used to power a cryptocurrency mining operation. Yeah, screw that.
 
2021-07-16 5:37:48 PM  

Myk-House of El: Rent Party: There is an excellent, excellent documentary out about that hole. One of the things I learned was that at the height of the Butte mining economy, Butte had more Irish in it than any other city in the country, including Boston and Chicago.

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/do​cumentaries/butte-america/

They have a terrific Irish festival there.


Also known as "Let's Get Drunk and Brawl" day?
 
2021-07-16 5:38:53 PM  
where could they stick it...
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2021-07-16 5:38:56 PM  

Geotpf: iheartscotch: meat0918: NIMBYs and BANANAs will be the death of us all

What about Hollaback Girls?

/ A few times I've been around that track
So it's not just gonna happen like that
'Cause I ain't no Hollaback Girl

// It's bananas, B-a-n-a-n-a-s

Build
Absolutely
Nothing
Anywhere
Near
Anybody


And the NOPEs: Not On Planet Earth
 
2021-07-16 5:39:32 PM  

neofonz: FTA:

The $250 million project to build 700,000 solar panels requires a special use permit because the land, part of the Gozden-McDermott ranch, is not zoned for industrial use. Project planners said it would produce nearly 300 megawatts annually - enough to meet the needs of more than 40,000 family homes.
That would make it one of the top 10 largest solar projects in the country.

Madison River Equity LLC leased the land for the project from John McDermott. The company is a subsidiary of Rick Tabish's FX Solutions, which constructed the nearby Atlas Power data center used to mine cryptocurrency. Atlas Power is owned by Kevin Washington, who said in May he would use the array to power his company and planned to buy the solar project after its construction.


So this giant array was going to end up just being used to power a cryptocurrency mining operation. Yeah, screw that.

Exactly.  As someone on the ground here in Butte, that's exactly our sentiment.  It'd be one thing if the array were installed to benefit the community.  But planning one of the 10 largest arrays in the US, in a non-industrial neighborhood, whose only beneficiary would be a bitcoin mining operation is a terrible idea for our community.  It's not NIMBY, it's don't keep damaging our land for the benefit of wealthy corporations.  We've learned that lesson with open pit copper mining and we'll pay the price in perpetuity.
 
2021-07-16 5:40:03 PM  

little big man: They should offer the nearby residents free electricity for five years, see if their tune changes then.

"I'm relieved," she said, "and hopeful that they will try to put the power somewhere else. Something smaller on some of this unused land in a more appropriate place."

Build a framework over the top of the toxic Berkeley Pit and put the panels there.  Perhaps it would keep all the birds from landing and dying in it.

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Wind and solar projects have been proposed for that area many times in the past 20 years. Somehow permits are never granted.
 
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