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2021-07-16 7:07:11 AM  
Oh look, we directly connect the proud boys and 3%ers. Ah conspiracy charges. :-D
 
2021-07-16 7:16:07 AM  
I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.
 
2021-07-16 7:25:12 AM  

hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.


The reason why it's taking so long, besides it being the largest nationwide investigation, with 650+ defendants just from the "storming the Capitol" portion, is because they left so much f*cking evidence everywhere. These were not smart criminals.

Even the insiders only started realizing just how screwed they were when the FBI revealed they had a crapload of cellphone data from around the Capitol plaza
 
2021-07-16 9:13:47 AM  

hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.


I'd be a lot more forgiving of the FBI if they had formally recognized the threat beforehand - because this shiat was all out there well in advance of 1/6 - instead of deliberately ignoring it and standing down so it could be allowed to happen. And I'd be even more forgiving of them if they started prosecuting the people who openly organized, financed, and incited the insurrection just as publicly as the boots-on-the-ground individuals did their parts.

But of course Federalist Society member Chris Wray is going to help his good friends and colleagues. He has no business running the FBI right now.
 
2021-07-16 9:17:39 AM  

somedude210: Oh look, we directly connect the proud boys and 3%ers. Ah conspiracy charges. :-D


somedude210: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

The reason why it's taking so long, besides it being the largest nationwide investigation, with 650+ defendants just from the "storming the Capitol" portion, is because they left so much f*cking evidence everywhere. These were not smart criminals.

Even the insiders only started realizing just how screwed they were when the FBI revealed they had a crapload of cellphone data from around the Capitol plaza


Think how easy data collection would have been if they had all been on one carrier and phone model (Freedom Phone)
 
2021-07-16 9:21:23 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

I'd be a lot more forgiving of the FBI if they had formally recognized the threat beforehand - because this shiat was all out there well in advance of 1/6 - instead of deliberately ignoring it and standing down so it could be allowed to happen. And I'd be even more forgiving of them if they started prosecuting the people who openly organized, financed, and incited the insurrection just as publicly as the boots-on-the-ground individuals did their parts.

But of course Federalist Society member Chris Wray is going to help his good friends and colleagues. He has no business running the FBI right now.


Who was in charge of the DOJ during this time? Barr. You really think Billy was going to go against Trump? You think Trump was going to go against the Nazis that supported him?

My issue with your attacks against Wray and Milley is that they clearly have the best interests of the country in mind as has been shown post Trump, but you don't seem to grasp how tied their hands were by those above them and even if they did the right thing, they would've been sacked and replaced with a Trumper that would be a thousand times worse. Think Stephen Miller as FBI director and Mike Flynn as CJCS. Would you really prefer that outcome?

Milley had some serious brass balls to take on Trump in the oval when Trump wanted martial law, because if Trump was remotely smart, he would've sacked his ass.
 
2021-07-16 9:22:37 AM  

GardenWeasel: somedude210: Oh look, we directly connect the proud boys and 3%ers. Ah conspiracy charges. :-D

somedude210: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

The reason why it's taking so long, besides it being the largest nationwide investigation, with 650+ defendants just from the "storming the Capitol" portion, is because they left so much f*cking evidence everywhere. These were not smart criminals.

Even the insiders only started realizing just how screwed they were when the FBI revealed they had a crapload of cellphone data from around the Capitol plaza

Think how easy data collection would have been if they had all been on one carrier and phone model (Freedom Phone)


Depends on where that data is going. If anything, it likely went back to GRU/SVR and the equivalent Chinese agencies.
 
2021-07-16 9:30:53 AM  

hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.


However we are going to run into the same issue we had in Afghanistan. Once all the dumb ones are gone the smart ones take over and make things more difficult.

It's good we can start to clear the problem, but we have to get the ringleaders too.
 
2021-07-16 9:33:29 AM  

hubiestubert: these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.


They're used to operating with impunity.
 
2021-07-16 9:34:27 AM  

somedude210: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

The reason why it's taking so long, besides it being the largest nationwide investigation, with 650+ defendants just from the "storming the Capitol" portion, is because they left so much f*cking evidence everywhere. These were not smart criminals.

Even the insiders only started realizing just how screwed they were when the FBI revealed they had a crapload of cellphone data from around the Capitol plaza


I feel like the existence of cell phones has made the job for Law Enforcement so much easier. People forget, they're carrying a tracking device basically all the time. And they don't usually ditch it when either committing crimes or during the the crime, so all that data is available to be collected.

It's only after they get home or where ever they end up and pull it out of their pocket does it even occur to them, if ever.
 
2021-07-16 9:36:41 AM  
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2021-07-16 9:41:02 AM  
When you give a fascist a cookie
 
2021-07-16 9:41:05 AM  
Glad these farkers are being rounded up

In the concept of the original draft of the constitution, militias were a somewhat good idea, however after almost 250 years of this country, militias are essentially terrorist organizations and need to be treated as such
 
2021-07-16 9:42:58 AM  
Hey is this one of those threads where positive news is reported about arrests and justice for RW nutjobs, but we are assured by farkers this means nothing and everything is just as bad as it was under Trump?  Because those are fun.
 
2021-07-16 9:43:33 AM  
"How come today's criminals are not as inept as the ones back in 2021?"

- The director of the SSBI*, 300 years from now

* = Solar System Bureau of Investigations
 
2021-07-16 9:43:47 AM  
So these idiots are pretty much giving the FBI their whole network on a platter with extra sprinkles. I hope the FBI really starts to refocus its efforts to more domestic terrorist instead of the middle east, let the CIA handle that crap.
 
2021-07-16 9:43:55 AM  

Number 216: In the concept of the original draft of the constitution, militias were a somewhat good idea,


So were chamber pots.
 
2021-07-16 9:43:57 AM  
"Prior to Jan 6th, this likely would have been a case that initially never raised to this level" [FTFA]

JFC - these idiots had fully automatic weapons with "thousands" of rounds -- and IEDs.
 
2021-07-16 9:44:04 AM  

GardenWeasel: somedude210: Oh look, we directly connect the proud boys and 3%ers. Ah conspiracy charges. :-D

somedude210: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

The reason why it's taking so long, besides it being the largest nationwide investigation, with 650+ defendants just from the "storming the Capitol" portion, is because they left so much f*cking evidence everywhere. These were not smart criminals.

Even the insiders only started realizing just how screwed they were when the FBI revealed they had a crapload of cellphone data from around the Capitol plaza

Think how easy data collection would have been if they had all been on one carrier and phone model (Freedom Phone)


I thought you were making a joke, Freedom Phone.  But holy shiat it's real, and an impressive grift.  Also that guy may be a contender for the Martin Schri-whateverhisnameis for most punchable face.
 
2021-07-16 9:45:25 AM  

Number 216: Glad these farkers are being rounded up

In the concept of the original draft of the constitution, militias were a somewhat good idea, however after almost 250 years of this country, militias are essentially terrorist organizations and need to be treated as such


At least they are "well regulated" as per the 2nd Amendment.
 
2021-07-16 9:45:25 AM  

HerptheDerp: somedude210: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

The reason why it's taking so long, besides it being the largest nationwide investigation, with 650+ defendants just from the "storming the Capitol" portion, is because they left so much f*cking evidence everywhere. These were not smart criminals.

Even the insiders only started realizing just how screwed they were when the FBI revealed they had a crapload of cellphone data from around the Capitol plaza

I feel like the existence of cell phones has made the job for Law Enforcement so much easier. People forget, they're carrying a tracking device basically all the time. And they don't usually ditch it when either committing crimes or during the the crime, so all that data is available to be collected.

It's only after they get home or where ever they end up and pull it out of their pocket does it even occur to them, if ever.


Yeah, but they're also a fountain of information that they have to wade through to find relevant data relating to a crime.

But yeah, professional criminals know better about OPSEC. Nearly all criminals aren't professional
 
2021-07-16 9:47:21 AM  

RasIanI: "Prior to Jan 6th, this likely would have been a case that initially never raised to this level" [FTFA]

JFC - these idiots had fully automatic weapons with "thousands" of rounds -- and IEDs.


No, it's the whole "tipped them off" bit that he's referring to, not the dude that had 49 guns and 5 IEDs
 
2021-07-16 9:49:57 AM  

Number 216: Glad these farkers are being rounded up

In the concept of the original draft of the constitution, militias were a somewhat good idea, however after almost 250 years of this country, militias are essentially terrorist organizations and need to be treated as such


The only "well regulated militia" that I'm aware of is the NG. Anyone with any modicum of common sense can see where their existence negates the need for anything else.

The rest of these jokers running around are all potential terrorists who are armed to the teeth because of an historically  and overly broad interpretation of the 2A, imo.
 
2021-07-16 9:55:57 AM  
For all the Republicans who cry that government doesn't work, this is an example of government working just fine
 
2021-07-16 9:57:48 AM  

RasIanI: "Prior to Jan 6th, this likely would have been a case that initially never raised to this level" [FTFA]

JFC - these idiots had fully automatic weapons with "thousands" of rounds -- and IEDs.


That's the thing.

With a well-stocked garage and kitchen, and a modicum of time and talent, you can make some pretty nasty weapons. The US military even published a book full of recipes for such during the Vietnam war.

McVeigh, Kaczynski, the 93 WTC bombing- these were amateur attempts. The Unabomber's stuff really wasn't very advanced, despite his intellectual arrogance. McVeigh/Nichols was a matter of sheer mass.
 
2021-07-16 9:59:22 AM  
Priceless
 
2021-07-16 10:00:19 AM  
They said they were gonna
 
2021-07-16 10:04:00 AM  
I'm waiting for the right wing noise machine to start calling these guys martyrs. It's not enough for them to plot violence against the opposition, by being held accountable for it they will be painted as the real victims. Just wait, this shiat is far from over.
 
2021-07-16 10:05:44 AM  

Sword and Shield: RasIanI: "Prior to Jan 6th, this likely would have been a case that initially never raised to this level" [FTFA]

JFC - these idiots had fully automatic weapons with "thousands" of rounds -- and IEDs.

That's the thing.

With a well-stocked garage and kitchen, and a modicum of time and talent, you can make some pretty nasty weapons. The US military even published a book full of recipes for such during the Vietnam war.

McVeigh, Kaczynski, the 93 WTC bombing- these were amateur attempts. The Unabomber's stuff really wasn't very advanced, despite his intellectual arrogance. McVeigh/Nichols was a matter of sheer mass.


One of my best friends in high school lost an arm and destroyed his parent's garage building pipe bombs as fireworks just for the luls. I remember the small ones he would use to take out trash cans. People have no idea how much explosive force you get combining a few household chemicals in the proper proportions.
 
2021-07-16 10:07:18 AM  
If you're not seeing how the ground is shifting on investigating & prosecuting domestic terrorism cases, you haven't been paying attention. It's happening in small & big cases. Folks are getting picked up at a faster clip, things that an AUSA would have passed on, are not now.

Well good. Hopefully they'll apply that new investigative and prosecutive vigor to the religion-based terrorists as well.
 
2021-07-16 10:09:35 AM  

jjorsett: If you're not seeing how the ground is shifting on investigating & prosecuting domestic terrorism cases, you haven't been paying attention. It's happening in small & big cases. Folks are getting picked up at a faster clip, things that an AUSA would have passed on, are not now.

Well good. Hopefully they'll apply that new investigative and prosecutive vigor to the religion-based terrorists as well.


You do know that your precious KKK is a religious-based terror group, right? They'll come after you and your buddies?
 
2021-07-16 10:17:56 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

I'd be a lot more forgiving of the FBI if they had formally recognized the threat beforehand - because this shiat was all out there well in advance of 1/6 - instead of deliberately ignoring it and standing down so it could be allowed to happen. And I'd be even more forgiving of them if they started prosecuting the people who openly organized, financed, and incited the insurrection just as publicly as the boots-on-the-ground individuals did their parts.

But of course Federalist Society member Chris Wray is going to help his good friends and colleagues. He has no business running the FBI right now.


To be fair, the FBI at the time was being actively discouraged, and law enforcement agencies were told to stand down. Much like the President's decision to NOT activate the National Guard. When it was black folks he was rushed to his bunker, but these folks, he went back to watching TV. The fact that the FBI was able to gather information for an investigation was a huge victory.

As for the folks who paid and organized this mess...at this point, I suspect that the GOP leadership is negotiating who to throw under the bus, and damned if there aren't a LOT of choices. It would be fantastic if law enforcement could just arrest Congress members willy-nilly for their part, not to mention Governors and their staff, and State AGs who quite literally helped organize this 'rally' but it's a negotiation with the Congressional leadership right now behind closed doors. In a sane world, we'd just round them all up, but with a third of the country watching this with a gun in the tackle box, they're being a little more careful.

I have no doubt that Cletus and his buddies would be stuffed in a wider insurrection, but no need to pull the trigger on that, and get a lot of folks kacked, which is where we're at now. Negotiating with people so we don't HAVE to shoot them in the streets.
 
2021-07-16 10:22:32 AM  

hubiestubert: . In a sane world, we'd just round them all up, but with a third of the country watching this with a gun in the tackle box, they're being a little more careful.


Uh oh, this sort of acknowledgement of the realities of politics is not tolerated by some.
 
2021-07-16 10:23:49 AM  

hubiestubert: To be fair, the FBI at the time was being actively discouraged, and law enforcement agencies were told to stand down


So there was a conspiracy to assist in insurrection at the highest level of our government, which includes Chris Wray's personal involvement and knowledge, and yet Wray is acting as if the insurrection was just a bunch of individuals who, for reasons completely unknown and unforeseeable, decided to attack the US Capitol building to take down the government.

As for the folks who paid and organized this mess...at this point, I suspect that the GOP leadership is negotiating who to throw under the bus, and damned if there aren't a LOT of choices. It would be fantastic if law enforcement could just arrest Congress members willy-nilly for their part, not to mention Governors and their staff, and State AGs who quite literally helped organize this 'rally' but it's a negotiation with the Congressional leadership right now behind closed doors. In a sane world, we'd just round them all up, but with a third of the country watching this with a gun in the tackle box, they're being a little more careful.

Great, so the insurrectionists get to win and "liberals" are on board with it.

This is not OK. None of what you posted here, if that's what's truly going on, is OK. Wray needs to be out on his ass and we need a patriot, not a traitor, in charge of the FBI.
 
2021-07-16 10:27:46 AM  
Videotaping this crime spree is the best idea we've ever had!
 
2021-07-16 10:30:17 AM  
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2021-07-16 10:53:16 AM  
So where are our resident gun humpers to sea lion the thread about how these guys with all these guns, IEDs and fully automatic weapons are just your average Real Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights?

I predict will be a very short gun thread.
 
2021-07-16 10:54:54 AM  

Semi-Semetic: GardenWeasel: somedude210: Oh look, we directly connect the proud boys and 3%ers. Ah conspiracy charges. :-D

somedude210: hubiestubert: I for one am glad that these idjits were so incompetent with their security. It really makes the FBI's job a lot easier, especially since these guys KEEP volunteering information. Again. And again. And again.

The reason why it's taking so long, besides it being the largest nationwide investigation, with 650+ defendants just from the "storming the Capitol" portion, is because they left so much f*cking evidence everywhere. These were not smart criminals.

Even the insiders only started realizing just how screwed they were when the FBI revealed they had a crapload of cellphone data from around the Capitol plaza

Think how easy data collection would have been if they had all been on one carrier and phone model (Freedom Phone)

I thought you were making a joke, Freedom Phone.  But holy shiat it's real, and an impressive grift.  Also that guy may be a contender for the Martin Schri-whateverhisnameis for most punchable face.


Sadly. no

https://www.fark.com/comments/1159280​3​/Freedom-Phone-I-got-nothing-just-watc​h-video
 
2021-07-16 10:55:10 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Wray needs to be out on his ass and we need a patriot, not a traitor, in charge of the FBI.


Donald Trump wanted the same thing for the same stated reason.
 
2021-07-16 11:09:33 AM  
See, this is why I'm glad the FBI is being slow and methodical in rounding these morons up. Get all of them, and make a good case for conspiracy too.
 
2021-07-16 11:23:35 AM  
Trump fired Comey, who wouldn't do what he wanted, so he could install Chris Wray to protect him and do his bidding. Obviously that means that firing Federalist Society member and far-right conservative Wray in order to install someone whose loyalty to the country outweighs loyalty to Republicans is doing exactly what Trump did.
 
2021-07-16 11:30:17 AM  
"President Trump and his advisers are reportedly so angry that FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General William Barr have not done more directly to help his re-election effort that they are considering firing them after Election Day, The Washington Post reports. Trump wanted them to concoct the same sort of scandal that then-FBI Director James Comey delivered 11 days before the 2016 election by reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails. The Daily Beast reported this month that the president was already looking to replace Wray after the election. The Post now reports the president is specifically disappointed that the FBI has not officially launched an investigation into Joe Biden and his son Hunter or their associates. "

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-c​o​nsidering-firing-fbi-director-christop​her-wray-for-not-helping-his-campaign-​says-report
 
2021-07-16 11:34:21 AM  
Biden should fire Wray for not doing what anonymous commenters on www.fark dot com.com want him to do.  That would solve the problem of the appearance of politicization of the DOJ in a flash.  There is no possible way this is a bad idea.
 
2021-07-16 11:39:02 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: So where are our resident gun humpers to sea lion the thread about how these guys with all these guns, IEDs and fully automatic weapons are just your average Real Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights?

I predict will be a very short gun thread.


How come every time a terrorist gets busted, your imaginary strawmen of actual gun owners comes out to play?
I know you hate the 3/4 of the country that supports the right to gun ownership with a passion, especially the progressive ones. You REALLY hate us.
But even YOU are not so deluded that you can twist reality so far as to think this guy represents anyone but a few trumpanzees, and that the rest of us are not happy to drop him down a hole.
 
2021-07-16 11:39:06 AM  

Skleenar: Biden should fire Wray for not doing what anonymous commenters on www.fark dot com.com want him to do.  That would solve the problem of the appearance of politicization of the DOJ in a flash.  There is no possible way this is a bad idea.


Biden should fire as many Trump appointees as he can, for the obvious reasons.
 
2021-07-16 11:46:59 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Biden should fire as many Trump appointees as he can, for the obvious reasons.


We are 100% in agreement on this sentiment.  The only thing that differs is the definition of "can".  In your case, I suspect it means "has the statutory power to".  In my case, it means "that can be justified and accepted as reasonable without engendering a political backlash that will do more to harm his agenda than leaving the Trump appointee in place."  I don't pretend to be an expert on where Wray falls on that spectrum, but I do know that firing an FBI director without reasonable cause well before the end of his 10 year term sure caused a huge political blowback for Biden's predecessor, so it is reasonable to assume this is seen as a big hill to climb politically.

Sure, your equation is pithy and concise.  And mine is more complex and difficult to convey in a snappy and emotionally satisfying way.
 
2021-07-16 11:48:45 AM  

Skleenar: AdmirableSnackbar: Biden should fire as many Trump appointees as he can, for the obvious reasons.

We are 100% in agreement on this sentiment.  The only thing that differs is the definition of "can".  In your case, I suspect it means "has the statutory power to".  In my case, it means "that can be justified and accepted as reasonable without engendering a political backlash that will do more to harm his agenda than leaving the Trump appointee in place."  I don't pretend to be an expert on where Wray falls on that spectrum, but I do know that firing an FBI director without reasonable cause well before the end of his 10 year term sure caused a huge political blowback for Biden's predecessor, so it is reasonable to assume this is seen as a big hill to climb politically.

Sure, your equation is pithy and concise.  And mine is more complex and difficult to convey in a snappy and emotionally satisfying way.


How much political backlash do you really think there would be for Biden to fire Wray for gross incompetence surrounding 1/6, along with a whole lot of other Trump loyalist bullshiat Wray has pulled?

And I mean realistically here, not just your constant demand for assumed doom-and-gloom should Democrats do anything good or correct.
 
2021-07-16 11:53:21 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: How much political backlash do you really think there would be for Biden to fire Wray for gross incompetence surrounding 1/6, along with a whole lot of other Trump loyalist bullshiat Wray has pulled?


I don't think Wray is seen by the general population of the United States of America in nearly as negative a light as you seem to see him.

I honestly think it would require a revelation of some major obstruction of justice (and not the kind that flows from normal "prosecutorial prioritization") for the general public to see Wray as a justifiable  firing candidate.

And I don't particularly like it that Wray is still in charge, either.
 
2021-07-16 11:56:40 AM  

Skleenar: AdmirableSnackbar: How much political backlash do you really think there would be for Biden to fire Wray for gross incompetence surrounding 1/6, along with a whole lot of other Trump loyalist bullshiat Wray has pulled?

I don't think Wray is seen by the general population of the United States of America in nearly as negative a light as you seem to see him.

I honestly think it would require a revelation of some major obstruction of justice (and not the kind that flows from normal "prosecutorial prioritization") for the general public to see Wray as a justifiable  firing candidate.

And I don't particularly like it that Wray is still in charge, either.


You still have yet to identify where the political blowback for Biden firing Trump lackey Chris Wray would originate. Who among Biden's base of support would object to it to the point of hurting BIden in any way?

I get that Republicans might be pissy about it, but then that's easily put to bed with Biden saying - correctly - that Trump fired Comey to install a patsy and they were all in favor of it, and this is simply reversing that corrupt act. It's an anti-corruption act. But apparently we can't do that because doom and gloom.
 
2021-07-16 12:01:00 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Trump fired Comey, who wouldn't do what he wanted, so he could install Chris Wray to protect him and do his bidding. Obviously that means that firing Federalist Society member and far-right conservative Wray in order to install someone whose loyalty to the country outweighs loyalty to Republicans is doing exactly what Trump did.


if his loyalty was to Trump and Republicans, why the hell did he launch the biggest investigation in US history and has currently charged some 600+ Americans for their roles in storming the Capitol?

This is where your logic loses steam, you choose to ignore what he's done when not under the thumb of Barr or Trump.

And even when he was under Trump, he still went after folks that were tied to organized crime.

I get you like to hate Wray for the sake of hating Wray, but you come off as an idiot who doesn't actually look at the facts of what's really going on, instead, you just go on and on with whatever fantasy world you've built up to house your Wray Hate Boner
 
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