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2021-07-16 10:13:50 AM  
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2021-07-16 10:17:22 AM  
This should be easy, just give the name of you tuna supplier, or take the reporters through your supply chain.
 
2021-07-16 10:43:37 AM  

nmrsnr: This should be easy, just give the name of you tuna supplier, or take the reporters through your supply chain.


Yeah - why don't they want the people to know where they get their tuna?  What are they hiding there?  Are they afraid we'll learn something about their tuna suppliers that they would rather keep hidden?  Just asking questions.

It's the age of social media. Once the bored and the shiat-stirrers get a story started, there's really no stopping it.
 
2021-07-16 11:24:48 AM  
Now do their "cheese."
 
2021-07-16 11:27:29 AM  
I'll believe it when they sue the fark out of the NY Times
 
2021-07-16 11:30:48 AM  
So Subway's defense is that other tests have detected tuna dna in their sandwiches AND cooking destroys tuna dna. So they're serving raw/undercooked tuna?
 
2021-07-16 11:46:17 AM  
We ended up getting Subway sandwiches for the first (and last) time in our lives back when we were evacuated because of wildfires here in NorCal and we were driving around all day to try to find a motel or hotel room (failed). They were the most disgusting sandies we have ever bought. We ended up throwing them away after a bite or two. Even the LETTUCE smelled bad, like *musty*.

We will never eat another Subway sandwich as long as we live.

The last time we ate Togo's however, the food was good - especially the hot pastrami which you can't get easily out here anywhere other than Togo's that we've found.
 
2021-07-16 11:47:23 AM  

johnny_vegas: I'll believe it when they sue the fark out of the NY Times


It sounds like the NY Times test said "Either there's no tuna here or there's lots of processing that makes it so we can't detect it."  Third party headlines dropped the "there's lots of processing that makes it so we can't detect it" bit, which appears to be what Subway is saying happened.

IE, there's nothing really "sueable" here; the story was accurate but most people misinterpreted it.  Plus, Subway doesn't really want to point out how much processing they use in their tuna.
 
2021-07-16 11:48:39 AM  
Wheres the long form certificate?
 
2021-07-16 11:52:27 AM  
Change the name to "toona"
 
2021-07-16 11:55:21 AM  
Its not fish its chicken of the sea
 
2021-07-16 12:27:09 PM  

nmrsnr: This should be easy, just give the name of you tuna supplier, or take the reporters through your supply chain.


Well, someone is shipping Subway brand tuna.

https://panjiva.com/Delmar-Philippine​s​-Inc/91451531
https://panjiva.com/S-K-Foods-Thailan​d​-Public/28581296
https://panjiva.com/Thai-Union-Mfg-Co​-​Li/28348017
 
2021-07-16 12:33:46 PM  
As someone who has never eaten at Subway and never will, watching this saga has been amusing.
 
2021-07-16 12:44:49 PM  
Molecular biologist here.  Of course cooking denatures (destroys) DNA.  Unless that lab ran a pouch of Starkist or the like as a control, then their results are absolute crap and should be ignored by all.
 
2021-07-16 12:46:51 PM  
"Tuna" on "bread".
 
2021-07-16 12:48:28 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"


"Sea flavored white substance".
 
2021-07-16 12:55:36 PM  
"People love our tuna. We're very proud of our tuna, so I think that's really the end of the story," Chidsey said.

The fact that you think "people love our tuna" is enough to end the story makes you a non-credible source. It 100% sounds like you're hiding something.
 
2021-07-16 1:53:50 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"


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2021-07-16 2:32:22 PM  
"it absolutely doesn't mean the sample that was tested contained zero tuna"

I get the part about denaturing etc. ...and yet, hardly a ringing endorsement?
 
2021-07-16 2:37:32 PM  
They said it was tuna. They never said it was fish.

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2021-07-16 2:41:28 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: "People love our tuna. We're very proud of our tuna, so I think that's really the end of the story," Chidsey said.

The fact that you think "people love our tuna" is enough to end the story makes you a non-credible source. It 100% sounds like you're hiding something.


as someone who loves tuna salad of many kinds, even the bumblebee/chimken-of pre-made flatpacks from farking Dollar Tree are about 1700% better than subway's. the stuff reminds me of our university cafeteria (and that place, at least, had a tub of "wet" ( ==subway-horror) and "dry" (where you could ad-lib mayo, condiments, spices, to your heart's)

I'd rather eat a big stack of those weird egg-UFO-pucks of theirs, than the toona. don't even mind their crizappy "cheese" - but dear lord, it has to be on their awful flatbread 'cos the "fresh baked bread" is akin to a war-crime.
 
2021-07-16 2:42:25 PM  

freakdiablo: KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"

"Sea flavored white substance".


wait are we back to the cucumbers again
 
2021-07-16 2:43:08 PM  
Its one of the things I like about Jimmy Johns. You walk inside, look at the storage shelf above the counter, and you see the large cans of tuna lined up, just like all the delis and hoagie shops I went too as a kid. I don't get tuna sammies very often, but they make a decent one there. Being in Indiana, its one of the bright spots in a sad sandwich landscape.

//now, if they would only carry sweet peppers
//no, not banana peppers
//3rd Slashy, as required by law
 
2021-07-16 3:01:46 PM  
Probably a lot of filler trash fish in it, maybe breadcrumbs or some sort of vegetable product to bulk it up too. I've eaten at subway a ton back when I was a broke 20 something. Never once have I gotten tuna. It didn't look good back then, I'm sure it hasn't gotten better as they make stuff cheaper now. Why would you say you're proud of that or any food there.
 
2021-07-16 3:13:21 PM  
altho' to be fair, WaWa's tuna salad is absolute garbage too. which continues to surprise me since their breads and cheeses and produce are all great. (also the part where their no-longer-extant egg salad was an amazing monument to consistent quality. a fact, of course, for which I've been roundly mocked on several non-consecutive foodtab occasions ;-) )
 
2021-07-16 3:16:55 PM  

silvervial: We ended up getting Subway sandwiches for the first (and last) time in our lives back when we were evacuated because of wildfires here in NorCal and we were driving around all day to try to find a motel or hotel room (failed). They were the most disgusting sandies we have ever bought. We ended up throwing them away after a bite or two. Even the LETTUCE smelled bad, like *musty*.

We will never eat another Subway sandwich as long as we live.

The last time we ate Togo's however, the food was good - especially the hot pastrami which you can't get easily out here anywhere other than Togo's that we've found.


I haven't had Togo's in years (left California in 2000). I could go for an avocado and turkey right now. It's the best version of that sandwich I've ever eaten.
 
2021-07-16 3:32:19 PM  

freakdiablo: KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"

"Sea flavored white substance".


Or at least made of men from the sea...
 
2021-07-16 3:37:27 PM  

WelldeadLink: nmrsnr: This should be easy, just give the name of you tuna supplier, or take the reporters through your supply chain.

Well, someone is shipping Subway brand tuna.

https://panjiva.com/Delmar-Philippines​-Inc/91451531
https://panjiva.com/S-K-Foods-Thailand​-Public/28581296
https://panjiva.com/Thai-Union-Mfg-Co-​Li/28348017


also, I need to dig into that site later, tyty!

in the past, I used to buy chimken-branded actually-mediterranean-sourced Genova Tonno, by the case. which tbh wasn't exactly sustainable. years (and many re-brandings) later, it comes from Thailand & Philippines and the quality seems comparable.

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also recently tried these "eye-talian style" flatpacks, which are... acceptable, but still not even close to the chicken of the sea canned stuff new or old. I'll have to look when we get home tomorrow, but don't think there was any origin listed on the packets.

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2021-07-16 4:14:30 PM  
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2021-07-16 4:31:26 PM  

tintar: WelldeadLink: nmrsnr: This should be easy, just give the name of you tuna supplier, or take the reporters through your supply chain.

Well, someone is shipping Subway brand tuna.

https://panjiva.com/Delmar-Philippines​-Inc/91451531
https://panjiva.com/S-K-Foods-Thailand​-Public/28581296
https://panjiva.com/Thai-Union-Mfg-Co-​Li/28348017

also, I need to dig into that site later, tyty!

in the past, I used to buy chimken-branded actually-mediterranean-sourced Genova Tonno, by the case. which tbh wasn't exactly sustainable. years (and many re-brandings) later, it comes from Thailand & Philippines and the quality seems comparable.

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also recently tried these "eye-talian style" flatpacks, which are... acceptable, but still not even close to the chicken of the sea canned stuff new or old. I'll have to look when we get home tomorrow, but don't think there was any origin listed on the packets.

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I got the portofino brand to make a salad nicoise.  They worked well but I absolutely agree with your assessment of "acceptable "
 
2021-07-16 4:48:43 PM  
Tuna can't melt steel beams!
 
2021-07-16 4:56:53 PM  
What a Subway tuna might look like.


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2021-07-16 5:10:24 PM  
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2021-07-16 5:18:20 PM  

johnny_vegas: I got the portofino brand to make a salad nicoise.  They worked well but I absolutely agree with your assessment of "acceptable "


that may well have been after a previous mention on mine on foodtab :-(

it's... convenient enough, and better than the usual brands, but yeah still a bit dry. and that's not even on the smaller amount of oil, it just is. I don't regret it for the price, though, and it was a nice late night snack at the beach hotel all this week. sorry about that, was a little excited when it arrived and was less critical initially than I should have been.

but... I did get a case of that now-

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-branded 5oz cans, and it is farking night and days.
 
2021-07-16 6:37:18 PM  

tintar: johnny_vegas: I got the portofino brand to make a salad nicoise.  They worked well but I absolutely agree with your assessment of "acceptable "

that may well have been after a previous mention on mine on foodtab :-(

it's... convenient enough, and better than the usual brands, but yeah still a bit dry. and that's not even on the smaller amount of oil, it just is. I don't regret it for the price, though, and it was a nice late night snack at the beach hotel all this week. sorry about that, was a little excited when it arrived and was less critical initially than I should have been.

but... I did get a case of that now-

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-branded 5oz cans, and it is farking night and days.


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2021-07-16 7:44:28 PM  

Gordon Bennett: They said it was tuna. They never said it was fish.

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Speaking of seafood name collisions...

Many years ago, I was in Florida, and the restaurant had dolphin on the menu.   I thought that was a bit strange, as there were all those protests about them being caught up in tuna nets, but I thought it's better than them going to waste, I guess, and I wasn't really a fan of fish back then.

I was quite disappointed to discover that there's a fish called 'dolphin'.  Although they typically call it 'mahi-mahi' these days
 
2021-07-16 8:06:07 PM  

Oneiros: Gordon Bennett: They said it was tuna. They never said it was fish.

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Speaking of seafood name collisions...

Many years ago, I was in Florida, and the restaurant had dolphin on the menu.   I thought that was a bit strange, as there were all those protests about them being caught up in tuna nets, but I thought it's better than them going to waste, I guess, and I wasn't really a fan of fish back then.

I was quite disappointed to discover that there's a fish called 'dolphin'.  Although they typically call it 'mahi-mahi' these days


You should try the Manatee. It's delicious.
Just ask for the sea steak.
 
2021-07-16 8:13:52 PM  

Altman: Molecular biologist here.  Of course cooking denatures (destroys) DNA.  Unless that lab ran a pouch of Starkist or the like as a control, then their results are absolute crap and should be ignored by all.


I get your point but when you preface your comment with "Molecular biologist here" you shouldn't follow that statement with completely farking up molecular biology.  Denaturing is not the same as destroying DNA.  See for instance PCR of purified DNA where you nearly boil the DNA over and over again and it's just f*cking fine.  If you cook something, the reason the DNA gets f*cked up is because you're breaking down the nuclear membrane allowing DNAses access.  Heating breaks the hydrogen bonds between the two strands based on GC content but does not break the bonds in the backbone like the phosphodiesterase bonds.

/nerd rant over
 
2021-07-16 9:29:10 PM  

lennavan: Altman: Molecular biologist here.  Of course cooking denatures (destroys) DNA.  Unless that lab ran a pouch of Starkist or the like as a control, then their results are absolute crap and should be ignored by all.

I get your point but when you preface your comment with "Molecular biologist here" you shouldn't follow that statement with completely farking up molecular biology.  Denaturing is not the same as destroying DNA.  See for instance PCR of purified DNA where you nearly boil the DNA over and over again and it's just f*cking fine.  If you cook something, the reason the DNA gets f*cked up is because you're breaking down the nuclear membrane allowing DNAses access.  Heating breaks the hydrogen bonds between the two strands based on GC content but does not break the bonds in the backbone like the phosphodiesterase bonds.

/nerd rant over


Fair point, shouldn't have used the word "denatured".  However, my point about controls still stands.  You can't interpret the data without knowing what controls they used.

If I were designing this experiment, I'd include raw tuna as a positive control, raw chicken as a negative control (or even better, some plant material), and a pouch of a mass market cooked tuna as a control for the cooking process.  Maybe include an additional control where you add some mayo to the cooked tuna, since apparently they sent the lab an actual sandwich.  Without knowing how these controls turned out, I still maintain that the hysteria over "OMG WE FOUND NO TUNA DNA!!!" is absolute crap.
 
2021-07-16 9:36:27 PM  

tintar: freakdiablo: KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"

"Sea flavored white substance".

wait are we back to the cucumbers again


Don't forget your safe word.
 
2021-07-16 11:21:26 PM  

freakdiablo: KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"

"Sea flavored white substance".


Textured Mayonaise
 
2021-07-17 12:46:41 AM  
If this wasn't tuna, the FDA would have utterly wrecked their asshole. As mentioned, this study is trash and should be ignored.

If this wasn't tuna, the FDA would have utterly wrecked their asshole. As mentioned, this study is trash and should be ignored.

Benevolent Misanthrope: nmrsnr: This should be easy, just give the name of you tuna supplier, or take the reporters through your supply chain.

Yeah - why don't they want the people to know where they get their tuna?  What are they hiding there?  Are they afraid we'll learn something about their tuna suppliers that they would rather keep hidden?  Just asking questions.


In the food industry, your vendors are generally kept as a trade secret. Sharing them can help other companies match your product and undermine it. Not to say anyone wantsto match this tuna but it is something that is reasonable to hide from the public. There are situations where companies share their vendor (usually as a marketing/sales tool) but in general, no.
 
2021-07-17 1:00:02 AM  
Is skipjack really tuna? Asking for a friend
 
2021-07-17 2:38:47 AM  
A commercial on YouTube called it "tan fish" and I laughed way, way too hard.
 
2021-07-17 4:37:08 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: "People love our tuna. We're very proud of our tuna, so I think that's really the end of the story," Chidsey said.

The fact that you think "people love our tuna" is enough to end the story makes you a non-credible source. It 100% sounds like you're hiding something.


Many people come up to me with tears in their eyes and say "Sir, I'm in love with your tuna!".
 
2021-07-17 6:40:26 AM  

freakdiablo: KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"

"Sea flavored white substance".


liquid mercury packed in tuna saus
 
2021-07-17 9:02:32 AM  
Even I knew their chicken was fake. I had the misfortune of having some when I was a broke college student, and the cubes of chicken had holes in them like a sponge, with the texture to match. You know how real chicken meat flakes apart? When they found out it was soy chicken byproduct I was not surprised.
 
2021-07-17 9:29:52 AM  
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2021-07-17 12:49:06 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Change the name to "toona"


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2021-07-17 4:40:07 PM  

Hell Poodle: Even I knew their chicken was fake. I had the misfortune of having some when I was a broke college student, and the cubes of chicken had holes in them like a sponge, with the texture to match. You know how real chicken meat flakes apart? When they found out it was soy chicken byproduct I was not surprised.


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