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2021-07-16 5:34:08 AM  
When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?
 
2021-07-16 5:41:39 AM  

Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?


You need a spell of capitalism before you can afford to try any socialism. You can't give away money you don't have yet.
 
2021-07-16 5:53:04 AM  
Conveniently left out: The US's role in making them a failed nation by embargo of trade, technology, and medical supplies.

But I bet he'll try to win the vote of a few thousand Batista bootlickers while ignoring that historical fact. Sure he was a bloodthirsty dictator but he was OUR dictator
 
2021-07-16 5:53:57 AM  

Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?


anything I don't politically agree with is communist socialism: a right wing guide to political interaction on the internet
 
2021-07-16 6:03:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?

anything I don't politically agree with is communist socialism: a right wing guide to political interaction on the internet


I'd hope he'd know they're not the same.
 
2021-07-16 6:06:06 AM  

Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?


*Looks around at a rapidly warming planet, wild wealth disparities, and the rise of fascism*   see?  No useful substitutes.  Everything is fine.  This is fine.
 
2021-07-16 6:06:42 AM  
It would be nice to have an adult news media.
 
2021-07-16 6:08:11 AM  

hardinparamedic: Conveniently left out: The US's role in making them a failed nation by embargo of trade, technology, and medical supplies.

But I bet he'll try to win the vote of a few thousand Batista bootlickers while ignoring that historical fact. Sure he was a bloodthirsty dictator but he was OUR dictator


Cuba would've been a failed nation even without the US embargo, as the authoritarian one-party system where everyting is owned by the state just doesn't work. Cuba is far from the only example of that.
 
2021-07-16 6:14:32 AM  
Once again....communism is not socialism.
 
2021-07-16 6:24:06 AM  
lets hear it for communionism

/worship this fruitcake
//buy our sins
 
2021-07-16 6:31:26 AM  
So...continuing Trumpian policies towards Cuba good now? I guess it's like the China tariffs. All that matters is the letter next to the name, not the policy itself.
 
2021-07-16 6:32:37 AM  

Be polite walk on the right: lets hear it for communionism

/worship this fruitcake
//buy our sins


...for how much?
 
2021-07-16 6:33:17 AM  
Had there actually ever been a true communist state in the history of the world?  There is authoritarianism pretending to be communism.  But not plane old communism.

Maybe pre-colonial Haida could be an example?
 
2021-07-16 6:36:40 AM  

Skeleton Man: Be polite walk on the right: lets hear it for communionism

/worship this fruitcake
//buy our sins

...for how much?


its an incrim-mental system, first they tell you to balme for kid for all your mistakes

/that bastard was guilty from birth
 
2021-07-16 6:39:05 AM  
"Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute"

It's refreshing to see Biden occasionally displaying a moment of clarity
 
2021-07-16 6:42:35 AM  
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2021-07-16 6:46:23 AM  
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2021-07-16 6:48:16 AM  

jjorsett: Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?

You need a spell of capitalism before you can afford to try any socialism. You can't give away money you don't have yet.


We can have a little socialism, as a treat.
 
2021-07-16 6:48:26 AM  
MOST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FARTHEST LEFT MOST RADICAL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN ALL OF HISTORY!!
 
2021-07-16 6:49:19 AM  
Are we still allied with Saudi Arabia?
 
2021-07-16 6:58:50 AM  

Alphax: hardinparamedic: Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?

anything I don't politically agree with is communist socialism: a right wing guide to political interaction on the internet

I'd hope he'd know they're not the same.


He does, but in the US certain labels and words have been twisted so badly that if he intends to communicate with the American people he has to bow to the bastardized vernacular they speak.
 
2021-07-16 6:59:34 AM  
And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

There aren't enough wank memes or eyeball rolls in the world.

farking Christ, Joe, get your head out of the 50's already.
 
2021-07-16 7:02:28 AM  
...and yet he won't bomb them back to the Stone Age! Appeaser! Do Nothing!

Of course, he'd be a warmonger and a bully who ignores diplomacy if he DID send in 'advisors,' so really, it's just more chin wagging from the wings. No matter his decision tree, they'll find someone to point out that not only is he wrong, he's the wrongest wronger in the history of wrongness.
 
2021-07-16 7:02:54 AM  

Sumo Surfer: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute"

It's refreshing to see Biden occasionally displaying a moment of clarity


I wouldn't describe a person implying that Europe is little better than Cuba as "having a moment of clarity."
 
2021-07-16 7:03:19 AM  

goodncold: Had there actually ever been a true communist state in the history of the world?  There is authoritarianism pretending to be communism.  But not plane old communism.

Maybe pre-colonial Haida could be an example?


Well...if you really want to fark with some people you could point to a Communist society (not a state).  I'm speaking of the very early Christian church.  See the book of Acts for details.
 
2021-07-16 7:03:53 AM  
Socialism is a lot like capitalism in one respect - it can succeed when used as a tool, but fails when applied as a social/political system.
 
2021-07-16 7:08:03 AM  

Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?


And yet, 40% of Americans believe Joe is a full-on Commie who was probably named after Joe Stalin.
 
2021-07-16 7:13:10 AM  
Headline needs an asterisk.

/too early for this rant.
 
2021-07-16 7:22:35 AM  
goodncold:

Had there actually ever been a true communist state in the history of the world?

No, because a true communist state isn't possible at our current level of social development (or likely ever).

Doesn't stop evil people from latching onto it, or stupid people from accusing everything they don't like of being communism though.
 
2021-07-16 7:24:52 AM  
Here is my view on this.  Mind you this comes from someone that doesn't know any better than you.  So take it for what it's worth.

The human race has yet to create a perfect governmental system.  Monarchies get overthrown.  Dictatorships allow a 0.0001% to live well while everyone else suffers.  Communism, socialism, parliamentary democracy. authoritarianism, oligarchy....  They all fail at some point, and that point is usually where corruption destroys them, or when the poor finally get sick of living with a foot on their chest.

The US Democracy/Republic/Capitalism is pretty much as close as we've ever gotten.  But even that is starting to fail.

The next logical progression is to take the best parts of all of them and combine them.  It seem that that is what we are doing now.  Except that the Right doesn't see it that way.  They see every attempt to introduce a little socialism as us becoming Venezuela.  They see every attempt to help workers as us turning communist.  In short they vilify every idea that comes out by using the most extreme examples of why they are bad.  And no one ever calls them out for the false equivalence.  Usually because their supporters only know what they are told.  They don't know anything about socialism, for instance, other than it will destroy our economy and allow people to just sit around, not working.

Perhaps the real problem here is that we are allowing the Right to control the narrative too much.  And we have been since the farking Nixon era.
 
2021-07-16 7:35:29 AM  
durbnpoisn:

The human race has yet to create a perfect governmental system.

This is one of the key reasons why a real communist state has never existed, nor is likely to ever exist.  Communism can't be a governmental system because it requires an abolishment of the state; at its core is the belief that people will progress to a point where hierarchies are no longer needed for a society to function.
 
2021-07-16 7:44:34 AM  

Murkanen: Sumo Surfer: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute"

It's refreshing to see Biden occasionally displaying a moment of clarity

I wouldn't describe a person implying that Europe is little better than Cuba as "having a moment of clarity."


Well, he did say 'socialism' not 'social democracy'.
 
2021-07-16 7:50:22 AM  

thatboyoverthere: Are we still allied with Saudi Arabia?


Only the royal family.  Which is currently around 200,000 people.
 
2021-07-16 8:00:55 AM  

Murkanen: durbnpoisn:

The human race has yet to create a perfect governmental system.

This is one of the key reasons why a real communist state has never existed, nor is likely to ever exist.  Communism can't be a governmental system because it requires an abolishment of the state; at its core is the belief that people will progress to a point where hierarchies are no longer needed for a society to function.


... which is why all the Eastern Bloc countries considered themselves to be Socialist.
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, The Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, The Socialist Republic of Romania, all the Socialist Republics comprising federal Yugoslavia, and so on.

These countries were led by a Communist party, and their stated end goal was achieving communism - which is indeed the state "withering away" as no more coercion would be required - but all of them recognized that for the time being, they were socialist - the state was still present, owning all the means of production and planning everything on behalf of "the people".

So yeah, socialism isn't all that hot either. Social Democracy is a different thing (*insert Paul Teutul meme here*)
 
2021-07-16 8:03:11 AM  
Is communism universally failed?  China seems to doing pretty well for itself.
 
2021-07-16 8:08:04 AM  

LL316: Is communism universally failed?  China seems to doing pretty well for itself.


They did that by abandoning Communism and adopting Fascism
 
2021-07-16 8:35:44 AM  

durbnpoisn: Here is my view on this.  Mind you this comes from someone that doesn't know any better than you.  .....

Perhaps the real problem here is that we are allowing the Right to control the narrative too much.  And we have been since the farking Nixon era.


From the start the United States was a conservative project and it gave every advantage it could to more conservative voices.

/same as it ever was
 
2021-07-16 8:37:04 AM  

neaorin: Murkanen: durbnpoisn:

The human race has yet to create a perfect governmental system.

This is one of the key reasons why a real communist state has never existed, nor is likely to ever exist.  Communism can't be a governmental system because it requires an abolishment of the state; at its core is the belief that people will progress to a point where hierarchies are no longer needed for a society to function.

... which is why all the Eastern Bloc countries considered themselves to be Socialist.
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, The Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, The Socialist Republic of Romania, all the Socialist Republics comprising federal Yugoslavia, and so on.

These countries were led by a Communist party, and their stated end goal was achieving communism - which is indeed the state "withering away" as no more coercion would be required - but all of them recognized that for the time being, they were socialist - the state was still present, owning all the means of production and planning everything on behalf of "the people".

So yeah, socialism isn't all that hot either. Social Democracy is a different thing (*insert Paul Teutul meme here*)


As most folks seem to not understand Marxism at all, I feel obligated to point out that in Marx's model, socialism is the Boobies revolutionary stage, where central governance is required to keep things running and train the population how to do things in the next stage. That stage is Communism, where the government withers away naturally and left-anarchism becomes the order of the day, and the rest of history.

Marx did not create the term Socialism or Communism.  His ideas took hold with the disenfranchised European elite and took the reins from tmovement established socialist and Communist movements of the time.

It's intellectually dishonest to call the basic Social Democrat stance Communist.  It's also intellectually dishonest to say that they have nothing in common or that Social Democrats have not borrowed heavily from Marx.
 
2021-07-16 8:47:54 AM  

Sumo Surfer: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute"

It's refreshing to see Biden occasionally displaying a moment of clarity


Compared to the previous guy in the Oval Office, Biden has nothing but clarity on a daily basis.

Glad to see that even as a MAGA bootlicker, once in a blue moon you're able to distinguish good from evil. Though from your posting history, it's obviously going to be returning to evil and immoral in no time
 
2021-07-16 8:53:50 AM  

Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?


Where does this MF'er think he gets his pay stub from?
 
2021-07-16 8:56:03 AM  

hardinparamedic: Conveniently left out: The US's role in making them a failed nation by embargo of trade, technology, and medical supplies.

But I bet he'll try to win the vote of a few thousand Batista bootlickers while ignoring that historical fact. Sure he was a bloodthirsty dictator but he was OUR dictator


Didn't you read subby's headline?  It says we're not supposed to play nice with dictators.
 
2021-07-16 8:58:26 AM  

Murkanen: And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

There aren't enough wank memes or eyeball rolls in the world.

farking Christ, Joe, get your head out of the 50's already.


...the 50's were more socialist than now.  And that's despite being knee-deep in the Cold War.
 
2021-07-16 9:00:36 AM  

neaorin: hardinparamedic: Conveniently left out: The US's role in making them a failed nation by embargo of trade, technology, and medical supplies.

But I bet he'll try to win the vote of a few thousand Batista bootlickers while ignoring that historical fact. Sure he was a bloodthirsty dictator but he was OUR dictator

Cuba would've been a failed nation even without the US embargo, as the authoritarian one-party system where everyting is owned by the state just doesn't work. Cuba is far from the only example of that.


China says "hi".
 
2021-07-16 9:03:45 AM  

goodncold: Had there actually ever been a true communist state in the history of the world?  There is authoritarianism pretending to be communism.  But not plane old communism.

Maybe pre-colonial Haida could be an example?


The closest any country has come is pre-communism, "the dictatorship of the proletariat". Except it's never even been that, it's just been regular old dictatorship with a charismatic leader.
 
2021-07-16 9:22:54 AM  
This is how you know they are laying the groundwork for another Red Scare. If the working class and middle class figure out that capitalism is what is killing them and the environment, they will demand change and capitalists cannot have a system where they are not in charge. This is why they hate Cuba. They have no power there.

GFY Biden and let other nations on this planet have that self determination you bleat about.
 
2021-07-16 9:27:21 AM  

jjorsett: Alphax: When asked about his views on communism, the President added: "Communism is a failed system -- a universally failed system. And I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute. But that's another story."

Are you sure about that latter part, Joe?

You need a spell of capitalism before you can afford to try any socialism. You can't give away money you don't have yet.


Karl Marx wrote that a period of capitalism would have to be before communism. Capitalism is a transitional state on the journey. That was an essential part of original communism.
 
2021-07-16 9:29:28 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: neaorin: hardinparamedic: Conveniently left out: The US's role in making them a failed nation by embargo of trade, technology, and medical supplies.

But I bet he'll try to win the vote of a few thousand Batista bootlickers while ignoring that historical fact. Sure he was a bloodthirsty dictator but he was OUR dictator

Cuba would've been a failed nation even without the US embargo, as the authoritarian one-party system where everyting is owned by the state just doesn't work. Cuba is far from the only example of that.

China says "hi".


China moved from a centrally owned, centrally planned economy to private enterprise.
They kept the police state, though.
 
2021-07-16 9:34:48 AM  
So, Joe Biden is NOT going to change from Donald Trump's incredibly racist foreign policies with Cuba that included incredibly strict sanctions against the country?

What's the difference between Biden and Trump in this case?
 
2021-07-16 9:37:30 AM  

cman: LL316: Is communism universally failed?  China seems to doing pretty well for itself.

They did that by abandoning Communism and adopting Fascism


So, are you saying that fascism is better than communism, or...?
 
2021-07-16 9:40:38 AM  

misanthropicsob: cman: LL316: Is communism universally failed?  China seems to doing pretty well for itself.

They did that by abandoning Communism and adopting Fascism

So, are you saying that fascism is better than communism, or...?


If you want to twist my words around then yes that's exactly what I said.
 
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