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2021-07-15 1:19:31 PM  
And I bet businesses are completely exempt.
 
2021-07-15 1:31:56 PM  
That's cool; when they have to take their vehicles in for repairs because the roads kill their lifespan and want to know who's to blame for it: all they need is to find a mirror.
 
2021-07-15 1:38:51 PM  
FTFA: However, Missourians that do not wish to increase their contributions to state and local roadway repair and replacement projects can submit the required documentation - including fuel receipts - to the Missouri Department of Revenue each year for a refund.

Hope the letter says: "Here's your $48 back you farkin cheapskate, hope it doesn't cover the costs of bottoming out in a pothole."

Gotta give the lawmakers some credit here. 1) They managed to pass a tax increase. 2) They get an out when being accused of "raising ::sob:: MY taxes". 3) most people will be too lazy/uniformed to do anything about it. 4) Budget cuts will make that check come super slow, but by that point the lawmakers will have washed their hands of it and blame it on the gov workers.
Diffculty: if there are people who astute enough to notice a change in tax at the pump, but unaware that they don't have to pay it and angry enough to make an issue of it.
 
2021-07-15 1:53:34 PM  
At what point do Republicans understand how we f*cking pay for things?
 
2021-07-15 2:20:57 PM  
An alternative to gas tax is gonna need to be found if more and more EVs are gonna be on the roads
 
2021-07-15 2:21:18 PM  
Missouri residents: "I gotta submit *paperwork*?!?!"

Truckers: *shrug*

For those of you that don't know, trucking companies have to keep track of where they burn thier diesel fuel, as well as where they buy it. They then pay fuel taxes quarterly to their "base" state and the fuel tax revenue is apportioned out to each state they run in based on the mileage run. Fuel Tax accounting is a big deal in the trucking business.
 
2021-07-15 2:29:39 PM  

Unobtanium: Missouri residents: "I gotta submit *paperwork*?!?!"

Truckers: *shrug*

For those of you that don't know, trucking companies have to keep track of where they burn thier diesel fuel, as well as where they buy it. They then pay fuel taxes quarterly to their "base" state and the fuel tax revenue is apportioned out to each state they run in based on the mileage run. Fuel Tax accounting is a big deal in the trucking business.


I'm guessing (hoping) that this loophole does not apply to them as their business is built on the existence of the infrastructure which needs to be paid for out of taxes.
 
2021-07-15 2:32:09 PM  
So as usual conservatives are freeloaders while liberals provide labor and capital.
 
2021-07-15 2:35:27 PM  

Gubbo: An alternative to gas tax is gonna need to be found if more and more EVs are gonna be on the roads


Well, the GOP plan is to sell the roads to private corporations who will toll the sh*t out of us... so, that's probably our future.

No one wants to pay taxes, but they'll probably vote for tolls which will be higher.

We're very stupid people.
 
2021-07-15 2:50:23 PM  
However, Missourians that do not wish to increase their contributions to state and local roadway repair and replacement projects can submit the required documentation - including fuel receipts - to the Missouri Department of Revenue each year for a refund.

The people who use the most fuel (and therefore induce the most wear and tear on infrastructure) are the ones who most benefit by opting out of the tax.

Missouri:  The Tragedy of the Commons State
 
2021-07-15 2:50:58 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: And I bet businesses are completely exempt.


Only small ones with fewer than 10,000 employees. Larger companies already pay no taxes, so they're good.
 
2021-07-15 2:50:58 PM  

Rwa2play: That's cool; when they have to take their vehicles in for repairs because the roads kill their lifespan and want to know who's to blame for it: all they need is to find a mirror.


Here in CA, I can't opt out of the gas taxes and yet the roads still look like an IED blown up road in Iraq.
 
2021-07-15 2:52:04 PM  

Unobtanium: Missouri residents: "I gotta submit *paperwork*?!?!"

Truckers: *shrug*

For those of you that don't know, trucking companies have to keep track of where they burn thier diesel fuel, as well as where they buy it. They then pay fuel taxes quarterly to their "base" state and the fuel tax revenue is apportioned out to each state they run in based on the mileage run. Fuel Tax accounting is a big deal in the trucking business.


Sigh. Thanks for the reminder that I need to parse through 1500 fuel transactions and map them to the right truck, because these road princesses can't type in a 5 digit number correctly at the pump.
 
2021-07-15 2:52:38 PM  
However, Missourians that do not wish to increase their contributions to state and local roadway repair and replacement projects can submit the required documentation - including fuel receipts - to the Missouri Department of Revenue each year for a refund.

LMAO. Classic Missouri. The one time they finally raise some revenue the GQP can't help but give people a way to opt out. F'n idiots.
 
2021-07-15 2:52:44 PM  
I'm happy for this tax hike. Our roads are shiat.

But I cannot and will not stop rubbing this republican tax hike in the face of every god damned so called republican I know.
 
2021-07-15 2:52:54 PM  
There's another way they could opt out...

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But this is MO, so....

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2021-07-15 2:53:51 PM  

ElFugawz: FTFA: However, Missourians that do not wish to increase their contributions to state and local roadway repair and replacement projects can submit the required documentation - including fuel receipts - to the Missouri Department of Revenue each year for a refund.

Hope the letter says: "Here's your $48 back you farkin cheapskate, hope it doesn't cover the costs of bottoming out in a pothole."

Gotta give the lawmakers some credit here. 1) They managed to pass a tax increase. 2) They get an out when being accused of "raising ::sob:: MY taxes". 3) most people will be too lazy/uniformed to do anything about it. 4) Budget cuts will make that check come super slow, but by that point the lawmakers will have washed their hands of it and blame it on the gov workers.
Diffculty: if there are people who astute enough to notice a change in tax at the pump, but unaware that they don't have to pay it and angry enough to make an issue of it.


There are sections of Portland that have literal dirt roads, because the residents in those areas for some insane reason got to choose if they paid those taxes toward road maintenance. They chose not to, and now they have dirt f*cking roads. In a goddamned city.
 
2021-07-15 2:54:02 PM  
Remember around 2009 when all the conservatives were making fun of Greece for failing to have money to pay for pretty much anything?  The entire reason was a culture that avoids paying any taxes what so ever and very little, if any, enforcement of tax code.  Never understood why they were snidely ridiculing Greece when that is the exact result that is desired.
 
2021-07-15 2:55:53 PM  

wingnut396: Remember around 2009 when all the conservatives were making fun of Greece for failing to have money to pay for pretty much anything?  The entire reason was a culture that avoids paying any taxes what so ever and very little, if any, enforcement of tax code.  Never understood why they were snidely ridiculing Greece when that is the exact result that is desired.


And then Merkel punished them with draconian austerity, which only made the problem worse. I wonder how much they'll love this next step in their own state.

/not sure if username checks out or not.
 
2021-07-15 2:56:05 PM  
Another situation where large companies (e.g. UPS, trucking, Amazon, etc.) will profit mightily while the average dim-bulb on the street misses out.

Weird how that always seems to happen as a result of GOP legislation...
 
2021-07-15 2:56:24 PM  

austerity101: ElFugawz: FTFA: However, Missourians that do not wish to increase their contributions to state and local roadway repair and replacement projects can submit the required documentation - including fuel receipts - to the Missouri Department of Revenue each year for a refund.

Hope the letter says: "Here's your $48 back you farkin cheapskate, hope it doesn't cover the costs of bottoming out in a pothole."

Gotta give the lawmakers some credit here. 1) They managed to pass a tax increase. 2) They get an out when being accused of "raising ::sob:: MY taxes". 3) most people will be too lazy/uniformed to do anything about it. 4) Budget cuts will make that check come super slow, but by that point the lawmakers will have washed their hands of it and blame it on the gov workers.
Diffculty: if there are people who astute enough to notice a change in tax at the pump, but unaware that they don't have to pay it and angry enough to make an issue of it.

There are sections of Portland that have literal dirt roads, because the residents in those areas for some insane reason got to choose if they paid those taxes toward road maintenance. They chose not to, and now they have dirt f*cking roads. In a goddamned city.


I always thought those were just private drives or something.  Crazy
 
2021-07-15 2:57:10 PM  

NewportBarGuy: At what point do Republicans understand how we f*cking pay for things?


You cut all benefits for the poor then tax them more. Duh.
 
2021-07-15 2:57:12 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Rwa2play: That's cool; when they have to take their vehicles in for repairs because the roads kill their lifespan and want to know who's to blame for it: all they need is to find a mirror.

Here in CA, I can't opt out of the gas taxes and yet the roads still look like an IED blown up road in Iraq.


You farkers have NOTHING on Pennsylvania when it comes to that.
 
2021-07-15 2:58:49 PM  

austerity101: wingnut396: Remember around 2009 when all the conservatives were making fun of Greece for failing to have money to pay for pretty much anything?  The entire reason was a culture that avoids paying any taxes what so ever and very little, if any, enforcement of tax code.  Never understood why they were snidely ridiculing Greece when that is the exact result that is desired.

And then Merkel punished them with draconian austerity, which only made the problem worse. I wonder how much they'll love this next step in their own state.

/not sure if username checks out or not.


Using it before it was the pejorative it is today.  Of course since I'm on Fark there is a high degree of probability that I'm just another dumbass.
 
2021-07-15 3:00:55 PM  
Good. Now give the same option to taxes that pay for law enforcement.
 
2021-07-15 3:01:07 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Rwa2play: That's cool; when they have to take their vehicles in for repairs because the roads kill their lifespan and want to know who's to blame for it: all they need is to find a mirror.

Here in CA, I can't opt out of the gas taxes and yet the roads still look like an IED blown up road in Iraq.


This is very dependent on municipality. Highways and freeways are usually fine because the state manages them. My street commute goes from large city to medium suburb to unincorporated county land to an inner city. Road conditions in order: pretty good, amazing, might as well be cobblestone, and pothole central.
 
2021-07-15 3:01:56 PM  

wingnut396: austerity101: wingnut396: Remember around 2009 when all the conservatives were making fun of Greece for failing to have money to pay for pretty much anything?  The entire reason was a culture that avoids paying any taxes what so ever and very little, if any, enforcement of tax code.  Never understood why they were snidely ridiculing Greece when that is the exact result that is desired.

And then Merkel punished them with draconian austerity, which only made the problem worse. I wonder how much they'll love this next step in their own state.

/not sure if username checks out or not.

Using it before it was the pejorative it is today.  Of course since I'm on Fark there is a high degree of probability that I'm just another dumbass.


Austerity, in a fiscal sense, is always bad. In times of national economic hardship, you spend more, not less. Borrow like crazy. Cutting back spending only makes things worse.

My screen name is ironically unrelated to the fiscal idea. 🤷
 
2021-07-15 3:02:32 PM  

Gubbo: An alternative to increase ingas tax is gonna need to be found if more and more EVs are gonna be on the roads


FTFY
 
2021-07-15 3:04:32 PM  
How does everyone who doesn't like that this is an optional tax feel about toll roads?
 
2021-07-15 3:04:44 PM  
Oh, let's see if I can opt out of paying taxes for endless wars!

NO.
 
2021-07-15 3:06:33 PM  
Apparently SC already has a similar gas tax law and refunded several million dollars last year. This is farking moronic.
 
2021-07-15 3:06:50 PM  
Of course.. opting out means you have to drive to the next state for gas.
 
2021-07-15 3:08:39 PM  

ElFugawz: FTFA:
Diffculty: if there are people who astute enough to notice a change in tax at the pump, but unaware that they don't have to pay it and angry enough to make an issue of it.


Yeah, only the more well off people are going to take the time to do this. The normal/poor people aren't going to take the time to keep track of receipts. They are too busy working.
 
2021-07-15 3:09:15 PM  

Subtonic: AmbassadorBooze: Rwa2play: That's cool; when they have to take their vehicles in for repairs because the roads kill their lifespan and want to know who's to blame for it: all they need is to find a mirror.

Here in CA, I can't opt out of the gas taxes and yet the roads still look like an IED blown up road in Iraq.

You farkers have NOTHING on Pennsylvania when it comes to that.


And I bet you can't opt out of your gas taxes either.

So, Who is the true monster here?  MOsourri or California and Pennsylvania?  At least MO won't be collecting the taxes they waste.  Here in CA they collect the taxes and do the same thing as if they didn't.
 
2021-07-15 3:10:13 PM  

Gubbo: An alternative to gas tax is gonna need to be found if more and more EVs are gonna be on the roads


Mileage taxes on car registration makes sense to me.
 
2021-07-15 3:10:20 PM  

NewportBarGuy: At what point do Republicans understand how we f*cking pay for things?


Get the taxes from blue states and beg the Fed for money?
 
2021-07-15 3:11:22 PM  
What would be appropriate would be to reduce the percentage of gas tax refunds from funds going the counties/localities as per what those residents requested.
 
2021-07-15 3:12:21 PM  
Pretty sure taxing out of state people and not residents is somehow against the commerce clause.
 
2021-07-15 3:15:31 PM  

Gubbo: An alternative to gas tax is gonna need to be found if more and more EVs are gonna be on the roads


Something pretty cool about these cars is that they are loaded with electronics. It should be trivial to make the on-board bluetooth able to connect to a DMV worker's handheld device that asks how many miles it drove in the last however many months. It might even be able to tell them how many miles were driven in that state. They could make an adjustment for axle weight or other measurable criteria. If they were able to come up with PrePass for trucks, they can figure out how to properly tax vehicles, based on whatever they want to actually use, and divert the necessary funds to the highway department.
 
2021-07-15 3:16:20 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Subtonic: AmbassadorBooze: Rwa2play: That's cool; when they have to take their vehicles in for repairs because the roads kill their lifespan and want to know who's to blame for it: all they need is to find a mirror.

Here in CA, I can't opt out of the gas taxes and yet the roads still look like an IED blown up road in Iraq.

You farkers have NOTHING on Pennsylvania when it comes to that.

And I bet you can't opt out of your gas taxes either.

So, Who is the true monster here?  MOsourri or California and Pennsylvania?  At least MO won't be collecting the taxes they waste.  Here in CA they collect the taxes and do the same thing as if they didn't.


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2021-07-15 3:23:09 PM  

ElFugawz: FTFA: However, Missourians that do not wish to increase their contributions to state and local roadway repair and replacement projects can submit the required documentation - including fuel receipts - to the Missouri Department of Revenue each year for a refund.

Hope the letter says: "Here's your $48 back you farkin cheapskate, hope it doesn't cover the costs of bottoming out in a pothole."

Gotta give the lawmakers some credit here. 1) They managed to pass a tax increase. 2) They get an out when being accused of "raising ::sob:: MY taxes". 3) most people will be too lazy/uniformed to do anything about it. 4) Budget cuts will make that check come super slow, but by that point the lawmakers will have washed their hands of it and blame it on the gov workers.
Diffculty: if there are people who astute enough to notice a change in tax at the pump, but unaware that they don't have to pay it and angry enough to make an issue of it.


I'm sure it won't lead to said citizens then getting into a fight with the 7/11 clerk because he/she won't change the price of gas to not include the extra tax.
 
2021-07-15 3:26:31 PM  
I'm going to save my gas receipts when I drive in Missouri and give them to my sister who lives there.  Karma +2:  She owns a Prius.
 
2021-07-15 3:29:58 PM  
LOL, you have to fill out and submit paperwork to get "your" money back, so that's probably a significant obstacle for most people in Missouri. For a number of reasons.

Yeah, I know the other states are full of stupids, too.
 
2021-07-15 3:30:53 PM  

sleze: Pretty sure taxing out of state people and not residents is somehow against the commerce clause.


That's what WV has done with their turnpike and it is apparently legal.

/it is also the reason why I am going to take I-40 instead of I-64 when I go out east this year
//it is only $24, but fark those guys
 
2021-07-15 3:32:11 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: I'm going to save my gas receipts when I drive in Missouri and give them to my sister who lives there.  Karma +2:  She owns a Prius.


I'm going to hang out at gas stations and snag any abandoned or trashed receipts.
 
2021-07-15 3:32:51 PM  

Unobtanium: Missouri residents: "I gotta submit *paperwork*?!?!"

Truckers: *shrug*

For those of you that don't know, trucking companies have to keep track of where they burn thier diesel fuel, as well as where they buy it. They then pay fuel taxes quarterly to their "base" state and the fuel tax revenue is apportioned out to each state they run in based on the mileage run. Fuel Tax accounting is a big deal in the trucking business.


I did not know that. Thanks!

I hope by opting out of the tax that those who do also opt out of using the roads.
 
2021-07-15 3:35:17 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Gubbo: An alternative to gas tax is gonna need to be found if more and more EVs are gonna be on the roads

Mileage taxes on car registration makes sense to me.


How do you prove the mileage is accurate?

/* Missouri has been known as the odometer rollback capitol of the nation
 
2021-07-15 3:35:32 PM  
"However, Missourians that do not wish to increase their contributions to state and local roadway repair and replacement projects can submit the required documentation - including fuel receipts - to the Missouri Department of Revenue each year for a refund."

Translation: This is just another way to stick it to working people while allowing corporations and bussinesses with the resources to avoid paying taxes. republicans want to bring back feudalism, always have.
 
2021-07-15 3:36:47 PM  
I live right on the Kansas Missouri border and people around here have always biatched about how shiatty Missouri's roadways are.

Of course Missouri makes up for this shortcoming by having trees.
 
2021-07-15 3:38:20 PM  

wax_on: I did not know that. Thanks!

I hope by opting out of the tax that those who do also opt out of using the roads.


In the first year the additional tax is a whopping 2 cents more.

Say an average driver burns 600 gallons a year - that's 1$2 whole dollars. So very few regular citizens will bother, however you better believe that every business with a fleet of trucks is going to be filling these forms out.
 
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