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2021-07-15 8:18:21 AM  
We won't let tourists use that shiat aboard. One did years ago and it managed to lift two-part marine paint right off the deck.

When it comes to sun block, the old  ways are the best  -zinc oxide (or titanium dioxide) in a neutral creek l cream, and lots of it.

Bring noxema to get it off

But don't get off where I have to watch you

Unless that's hot.

/Sunblock
/Wear it
/And a hat
 
2021-07-15 9:22:38 AM  
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2021-07-15 9:25:58 AM  
The Ozone, Sunblock, The Flu and Nyquil
Youtube ToodlB1cJJM


Zebra cum would have been a step up.
 
2021-07-15 9:29:30 AM  
Going outside is for suckers.
 
2021-07-15 9:30:31 AM  
A good hat and something like
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is good for a day on the water with minimal sunscreen use. (Just ears, face, back of neck, etc...)

/Like wearing nothing at all.
//Nothing at all.
///Nothing at all.
 
2021-07-15 9:40:47 AM  
Robocop called it!

RoboCop 2 - Sunblock 5000 commercial HD
Youtube 8oJzfmWO3CU
 
2021-07-15 9:47:37 AM  

yohohogreengiant: We won't let tourists use that shiat aboard. One did years ago and it managed to lift two-part marine paint right off the deck.

When it comes to sun block, the old  ways are the best  -zinc oxide (or titanium dioxide) in a neutral creek l cream, and lots of it.

Bring noxema to get it off

But don't get off where I have to watch you

Unless that's hot.

/Sunblock
/Wear it
/And a hat


I feel like a greased pig if I use any of the cream based ones. I have to coat myself, then wait 10 minutes for it to mostly absorb, then rub it in some more or I have white streaks everywhere

And I'm hairy enough, that it looks like I'm trying to slick down my leg and arm hair

When I can, I prefer to get the liquid sunblocks that are in a pump / spritz bottle, because I can then pour it into a smaller containers to bring with me (especially when flying)

Some of the pressurized aerosol ones come out a little gummy.  Banana Boat is okay, but I've gotten Coppertone that looked like I had wiped boogers all over my arms. (It's happened twice, so I don't think it's something in how I stored it)

I still use cream sunblocks for my face, but that's because you can get ones that don't burn if you start sweating and it drips into your eyes

/burns easily
//avoids going outside
///has a 'the sun is trying to kill me' t-shirt
 
2021-07-15 9:49:20 AM  

Oneiros: yohohogreengiant: We won't let tourists use that shiat aboard. One did years ago and it managed to lift two-part marine paint right off the deck.

When it comes to sun block, the old  ways are the best  -zinc oxide (or titanium dioxide) in a neutral creek l cream, and lots of it.

Bring noxema to get it off

But don't get off where I have to watch you

Unless that's hot.

/Sunblock
/Wear it
/And a hat

I feel like a greased pig if I use any of the cream based ones. I have to coat myself, then wait 10 minutes for it to mostly absorb, then rub it in some more or I have white streaks everywhere

And I'm hairy enough, that it looks like I'm trying to slick down my leg and arm hair

When I can, I prefer to get the liquid sunblocks that are in a pump / spritz bottle, because I can then pour it into a smaller containers to bring with me (especially when flying)

Some of the pressurized aerosol ones come out a little gummy.  Banana Boat is okay, but I've gotten Coppertone that looked like I had wiped boogers all over my arms. (It's happened twice, so I don't think it's something in how I stored it)

I still use cream sunblocks for my face, but that's because you can get ones that don't burn if you start sweating and it drips into your eyes

/burns easily
//avoids going outside
///has a 'the sun is trying to kill me' t-shirt


Have you tried Think Baby? It's a little thicker, especially after it separates a bit
 
2021-07-15 11:08:06 AM  

yohohogreengiant: We won't let tourists use that shiat aboard. One did years ago and it managed to lift two-part marine paint right off the deck.


It's the alcohol-based propellant that does that.
 
2021-07-15 11:17:35 AM  
Not everyone thinks that sunscreens are good.

Link

Personally I don't like having whatever chemicals are in there on my skin. When I'm outside I'm careful about my sun exposure and cover up with long shirt and pants when I've had enough.
 
2021-07-15 11:22:43 AM  
I am betting since these are aerosol sunscreens, the benzene contamination came from the butane propellant being contaminated
 
2021-07-15 11:45:42 AM  
Only time I wear sunscreen is if I'm going to be fishing during the heat of the day or if I'm in the alpine.
Sun is good for you in moderation, like nearly everything on Earth.
 
2021-07-15 11:46:36 AM  
This is why I never leave my basement.
 
2021-07-15 1:23:45 PM  

wax_on: Not everyone thinks that sunscreens are good.

Link

Personally I don't like having whatever chemicals are in there on my skin. When I'm outside I'm careful about my sun exposure and cover up with long shirt and pants when I've had enough.


You're right. Anti-science idiots think they're bad. Dermatologists and cancer researchers think they're good.
 
2021-07-15 1:25:43 PM  

SumoJeb: Only time I wear sunscreen is if I'm going to be fishing during the heat of the day or if I'm in the alpine.
Sun is good for you in moderation, like nearly everything on Earth.


Yes, it is in moderation. The problem is we don't understand what moderation means when it comes to sun exposure. Any sun tan means you've gotten too much. All sun tans are damage to the skin and increase your chance of cancer.
 
2021-07-15 1:44:06 PM  

meanmutton: wax_on: Not everyone thinks that sunscreens are good.

Link

Personally I don't like having whatever chemicals are in there on my skin. When I'm outside I'm careful about my sun exposure and cover up with long shirt and pants when I've had enough.

You're right. Anti-science idiots think they're bad. Dermatologists and cancer researchers think they're good.


https://www.livescience.com/sunscreen​-​carcinogen-benzene.html

Anti-science idiots see the world in black and white.  The truth is it's about tradeoffs.
 
2021-07-15 1:53:14 PM  

meanmutton: SumoJeb: Only time I wear sunscreen is if I'm going to be fishing during the heat of the day or if I'm in the alpine.
Sun is good for you in moderation, like nearly everything on Earth.

Yes, it is in moderation. The problem is we don't understand what moderation means when it comes to sun exposure. Any sun tan means you've gotten too much. All sun tans are damage to the skin and increase your chance of cancer.


Is the risk of cancer greater or less than the benefits of enough sun exposure to cause a tan?  It seems that the scientific community is finding, for people who live in the north, the health benefits from sun exposure are great enough to risk the cancer.
 
2021-07-15 2:20:21 PM  

meanmutton: wax_on: Not everyone thinks that sunscreens are good.

Link

Personally I don't like having whatever chemicals are in there on my skin. When I'm outside I'm careful about my sun exposure and cover up with long shirt and pants when I've had enough.

You're right. Anti-science idiots think they're bad. Dermatologists and cancer researchers think they're good.


I don't consider myself to be anti-science, in fact the opposite. But one of the features of science is that it is frequently wrong and needs to be corrected. One doesn't have to look far to find instances. How many decades did nutrition science tell us "Carbs good! Fat bad!"?

I think there's room for dermatologists and cancer researchers to be wrong about this (read the linked article, there is data to support them being wrong) so I would rather manage my sun exposure and cover up when I've had enough rather than rub unknown chemicals into my body's largest organ.
 
2021-07-15 2:47:40 PM  

SumoJeb: meanmutton: SumoJeb: Only time I wear sunscreen is if I'm going to be fishing during the heat of the day or if I'm in the alpine.
Sun is good for you in moderation, like nearly everything on Earth.

Yes, it is in moderation. The problem is we don't understand what moderation means when it comes to sun exposure. Any sun tan means you've gotten too much. All sun tans are damage to the skin and increase your chance of cancer.

Is the risk of cancer greater or less than the benefits of enough sun exposure to cause a tan?  It seems that the scientific community is finding, for people who live in the north, the health benefits from sun exposure are great enough to risk the cancer.


If you have gotten a tan, you've gotten too much sun. You've exceeded any health benefits long before and are increasing your risk of cancer needlessly: https://www.fda.gov/radia​tion-emitting​-products/tanning/risks-tanning
 
2021-07-15 2:48:23 PM  

wax_on: meanmutton: wax_on: Not everyone thinks that sunscreens are good.

Link

Personally I don't like having whatever chemicals are in there on my skin. When I'm outside I'm careful about my sun exposure and cover up with long shirt and pants when I've had enough.

You're right. Anti-science idiots think they're bad. Dermatologists and cancer researchers think they're good.

I don't consider myself to be anti-science, in fact the opposite. But one of the features of science is that it is frequently wrong and needs to be corrected. One doesn't have to look far to find instances. How many decades did nutrition science tell us "Carbs good! Fat bad!"?

I think there's room for dermatologists and cancer researchers to be wrong about this (read the linked article, there is data to support them being wrong) so I would rather manage my sun exposure and cover up when I've had enough rather than rub unknown chemicals into my body's largest organ.


Assuming that literally every expert on the topic is wrong and you are right is the hallmark of being anti-science.
 
2021-07-15 2:58:03 PM  

meanmutton: wax_on: meanmutton: wax_on: Not everyone thinks that sunscreens are good.

Link

Personally I don't like having whatever chemicals are in there on my skin. When I'm outside I'm careful about my sun exposure and cover up with long shirt and pants when I've had enough.

You're right. Anti-science idiots think they're bad. Dermatologists and cancer researchers think they're good.

I don't consider myself to be anti-science, in fact the opposite. But one of the features of science is that it is frequently wrong and needs to be corrected. One doesn't have to look far to find instances. How many decades did nutrition science tell us "Carbs good! Fat bad!"?

I think there's room for dermatologists and cancer researchers to be wrong about this (read the linked article, there is data to support them being wrong) so I would rather manage my sun exposure and cover up when I've had enough rather than rub unknown chemicals into my body's largest organ.

Assuming that literally every expert on the topic is wrong and you are right is the hallmark of being anti-science.


I see you still haven't read the article I linked. It is not 'literally every expert'. Lots of scientist think the science is wrong too.

Australia's official advice? When the UV index is below 3 (which is true for most of the continental U.S. in the winter), "Sun protection is not recommended unless near snow or other reflective surfaces. To support vitamin D production, spend some time outdoors in the middle of the day with some skin uncovered." Even in high summer, Australia recommends a few minutes of sun a day.

New Zealand signed on to similar recommendations, and the British Association of Dermatologists went even further in a statement, directly contradicting the position of its American counterpart: "Enjoying the sun safely, while taking care not to burn, can help to provide the benefits of vitamin D without unduly raising the risk of skin cancer."

 
2021-07-15 3:10:32 PM  
"literally every expert"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC2290997/
 
2021-07-15 4:35:30 PM  

meanmutton: Assuming that literally every expert on the topic is wrong and you are right is the hallmark of being anti-science.


Stating every expert agrees with you, despite all evidence to the contrary, is the hallmark of being anti-science.
 
2021-07-15 5:47:30 PM  

FLMountainMan: meanmutton: Assuming that literally every expert on the topic is wrong and you are right is the hallmark of being anti-science.

Stating every expert agrees with you, despite all evidence to the contrary, is the hallmark of being anti-science.


He would have been there with the pope cheering on Galileo's torturers.
 
2021-07-15 9:19:30 PM  
Jesus. This is why I just don't go outside.

/dad died from melanoma, so I have a good excuse already.
 
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