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2021-07-14 11:05:44 AM  
Ramones - Blitzkrieg Bop (Official Music Video)
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2021-07-14 11:29:05 AM  
"And we shall make you free to be a Christian, even if you're a Catholic, a Jew, or a Muslim, or even a Buddhist! Drop the chains of apostasy and blasphemy! Your Gods may be false, but we CAN save you from the Eternal Fires of Damnation, if only you can free yourself from their grip! Or stone you in the name of the Father, so that you can go to a Heaven you know nothing about! Bless your unbaptized souls! For God! For America!"

Got to admit, it's certainly got a hook to it.
 
2021-07-14 11:52:01 AM  
Now why oh why are young people just not going to church anymore? I wonder why? Oh it's because religious people allow the craziest, most pig-ignorant people to hi-jack their religion and speak for them.

Young people aren't stupid anymore.
 
2021-07-14 11:56:07 AM  

Combustion: Now why oh why are young people just not going to church anymore? I wonder why? Oh it's because religious people allow the craziest, most pig-ignorant people to hi-jack their religion and speak for them.

Young people aren't stupid anymore.


Maybe it's because

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2021-07-14 12:01:09 PM  
Freedom of religion is a pretty good compromise that (theoretically) helps prevent government-sanctioned religious persecution, but it has not been the norm in Christian history. And it's not exactly a comfortable thing to cram into Christian theology, either.

Christian theocratic logic is actually pretty straightforward:

1. If you believe in Jesus (correctly) you go to heaven, if you don't believe (correctly) you get damned to Hell.
2. Heresy is worse than murder, because everybody dies, but a heretic can damn ("kill") people's souls. (See Matthew 18:6 for Jesus' comment on those who convince his followers to have different opinions from his.)
3. Governments have a responsibility to punish murder to protect their people.
4. If governments have a responsibility to protect their people from murder, isn't it even more important to protect them from heresy?

Given this logic, you really should expect the Spanish Inquisition.

/ I seem to recall that Augustine made a version of this argument relatively early on, and John Calvin was also fond of it
 
2021-07-14 12:37:23 PM  

Combustion: Now why oh why are young people just not going to church anymore? I wonder why? Oh it's because religious people allow the craziest, most pig-ignorant people to hi-jack their religion and speak for them.

Young people aren't stupid anymore.


Nah. Young people are dumb as fark still. But that doesn't change your point being valid.
 
2021-07-14 12:37:34 PM  
Moron One: What should we name our plan to make America a Christian nation based on a guy who was a pacifist and said we should keep out of politics?

Moron Two: How bout Project Blitz? It has a martial air and is evocative of German warfare in WW2?

Morons All: Faaaarking genius!!!!!!
 
2021-07-14 12:41:17 PM  
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2021-07-14 12:41:33 PM  
Just call it what it is - Project Gilead, and get on with it, soldier.
 
2021-07-14 12:43:26 PM  
People from the National Association of Christian Lawmakers (NACL) are the salt of the earth.

People from Project Blitz (PB) are easily lead.
 
2021-07-14 12:44:14 PM  

Combustion: Now why oh why are young people just not going to church anymore? I wonder why? Oh it's because religious people allow the craziest, most pig-ignorant people to hi-jack their religion and speak for them.

Young people aren't stupid anymore.


They are, and so are older people. It turns out that having most of human knowledge available on our phones did not make people well informed because people seek out whatever nonsense feels good to them, and so many people are eager to produce nonsense content based on their delusions.
 
2021-07-14 12:45:03 PM  

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That's what fascists have been pretending happened since we rejected their mad leader.
 
2021-07-14 12:45:55 PM  

emersonbiggins: Just call it what it is - Project Gilead, and get on with it, soldier.


I'd welcome our new Gilead Overlords at the front door - with a 9mm because if they took me alive, I would be hanging from "The Wall" before sunset!
 
2021-07-14 12:46:40 PM  
The real legacy of Donald Trumps demagoguery and enabling. And why all these christofascists were so ready to throw their bill in to the shiat heels hat.

He was promising them everything their demented religion demanded.
 
2021-07-14 12:46:41 PM  
Remember, for the modern conservative every accusation is a confession. Anyone warning you about sharia law in the USA is actually hoping to impose their religion on you.
 
2021-07-14 12:47:34 PM  
Project Blintz a much better idea.
 
2021-07-14 12:48:06 PM  

rudemix: based on a guy who was a pacifist and said we should keep out of politics?


The problem is that ever since Constantine, that hasn't really been an option.

OG Christianity was a counter-cultural religion in an oppressive fascist empire. Being a pacifist and submitting to authority and not attempting to take over by force did buy them a lot of sympathy and gave them a good bit of leeway to spread.

However, a funny thing happened: Christianity won. Now, all of a sudden, you discover that not only did Jesus not really give guidance on the structure of the ideal Christian state, but a lot of his teachings are not applicable: Can a state that "turn[s] the other cheek" or "does not resist an evil man" survive? Is it really a good idea for the people whose job it is to plan for contingencies to "not worry about tomorrow?"

So now what do you do?

/ Representative government arguably made the problem worse, not better, because now every Christian needs some sort of idea about how Christians should run a governement
 
2021-07-14 12:49:06 PM  
You know who ELSE liked to blitz?

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2021-07-14 12:49:42 PM  

emersonbiggins: Just call it what it is - Project Gilead, and get on with it, soldier.


This.

They've got the Supreme Court.

Just do it already.
 
2021-07-14 12:51:45 PM  
They really don't understand human nature if they think that there would be an easy transition.

I mean, I'm not making plans or anything, but if religious civil war kicks off, there are churches on every corner. It's a target rich environment.
 
2021-07-14 12:52:30 PM  
Project Blitz's overarching strategy is to have legislators start with "less controversial" bills, the idea being that they can get these bills passed in their states without much opposition. Once these bills, some of which would require public schools to offer classes on the Bible, are passed, Project Blitz aspires for legislators to introduce increasingly Christian-oriented and oppressive bills. The project's ultimate aim is to pass laws that would allow the use of religion to discriminate against anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to their biblical value system. Like other religious extremists that are driven by Dominionism - the belief that the government should be run by Christians and operate under biblical law - it's obvious that Project Blitz wants the United States to become an atavistic theocracy.

Yes, yes, yes. That's a typical Dominion strategy. They offer to give up something valuable in order to hide the fact that they want something even more valuable in the long term. See, that's how they think. Big picture. They don't worry about what's going to happen tomorrow, no, no, no, they're thinking long term. They're thinking what's going to happen a year from now, a decade, a century. Yes, yes.
 
2021-07-14 12:56:50 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: Freedom of religion is a pretty good compromise that (theoretically) helps prevent government-sanctioned religious persecution, but it has not been the norm in Christian history. And it's not exactly a comfortable thing to cram into Christian theology, either.

Christian theocratic logic is actually pretty straightforward:

1. If you believe in Jesus (correctly) you go to heaven, if you don't believe (correctly) you get damned to Hell.
2. Heresy is worse than murder, because everybody dies, but a heretic can damn ("kill") people's souls. (See Matthew 18:6 for Jesus' comment on those who convince his followers to have different opinions from his.)
3. Governments have a responsibility to punish murder to protect their people.
4. If governments have a responsibility to protect their people from murder, isn't it even more important to protect them from heresy?

Given this logic, you really should expect the Spanish Inquisition.

/ I seem to recall that Augustine made a version of this argument relatively early on, and John Calvin was also fond of it


In reality, though, it's more like:

1. I can do whatever I want as long as I claim that an authority figure told me to.
2. The above only works if there's a sufficient number of people who accept that my chosen authority figure is valid.
3. Therefore, it is in my best interest to force as many people as possible to accept my authority figure as valid.
4. I will make up whatever moralistic-sounding bullshiat is necessary to advance point 3 to cover for the fact that my end goal is point 1.
 
2021-07-14 12:58:10 PM  
Sweet - The Ballroom Blitz - Silvester-Tanzparty 1974/75 31.12.1974 (OFFICIAL)
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/No dancing allowed.
 
2021-07-14 1:04:31 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: Given this logic, you really should expect the Spanish Inquisition.


Fine, fine.

I'll go fetch the comfy chair.
 
2021-07-14 1:08:00 PM  
Iran and Afghanistan are examples of progressive western countries that have been turned into shiatholes by theocracy. It won't be any different here.
 
2021-07-14 1:08:44 PM  
You know who else launched a blitz?

/ Really? They named it that? Really?
 
2021-07-14 1:08:46 PM  
The greatest threats to America are christians.  They will try to destroy or kill anything that does not agree with their fantasies.
 
2021-07-14 1:15:10 PM  
You want your religion? Go practice it on your own. Stay the fark out of the government.

Again, this 'project blitz' shiat is just another reason to tax the fark out of religious organizations. Also, why the Hell would they call it "Blitz"? It's a callback to Nazi Germany to me, not a football play.
 
2021-07-14 1:16:13 PM  

jerryskid: The greatest threats to America are christians.  They will try to destroy or kill anything that does not agree with their fantasies.


Christianists. Christians don't force the rules of their sects on others. Like Islamists, it's the Christianists who are a threat to anyone who wants to remain free.
 
2021-07-14 1:19:15 PM  
Every Theocracy is inherently illegitimate
 
2021-07-14 1:21:17 PM  

emersonbiggins: Just call it what it is - Project Gilead, and get on with it, soldier.


I do hope I have enough time to leave the United States before it becomes the Republic of Gilead-Trumplandia.
 
2021-07-14 1:27:57 PM  

Malenfant: jerryskid: The greatest threats to America are christians.  They will try to destroy or kill anything that does not agree with their fantasies.

Christianists. Christians don't force the rules of their sects on others. Like Islamists, it's the Christianists who are a threat to anyone who wants to remain free.


Most of the last thousand years of European/American history would like a word...
 
2021-07-14 1:28:58 PM  

Malenfant: jerryskid: The greatest threats to America are christians.  They will try to destroy or kill anything that does not agree with their fantasies.

Christianists. Christians don't force the rules of their sects on others. Like Islamists, it's the Christianists who are a threat to anyone who wants to remain free.


That's a fantastic scotsman ya got there. Is he true?
 
2021-07-14 1:37:48 PM  
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2021-07-14 1:41:00 PM  
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2021-07-14 1:45:39 PM  

Malenfant: jerryskid: The greatest threats to America are christians.  They will try to destroy or kill anything that does not agree with their fantasies.

Christianists. Christians don't force the rules of their sects on others. Like Islamists, it's the Christianists who are a threat to anyone who wants to remain free.


But that doesn't answer the important question: are they real Scotsmen or not?

They say they are Christian, so they are.  You are not the gatekeeper of Christianity.
 
2021-07-14 1:49:56 PM  

Malenfant: jerryskid: The greatest threats to America are christians.  They will try to destroy or kill anything that does not agree with their fantasies.

Christianists. Christians don't force the rules of their sects on others. Like Islamists, it's the Christianists who are a threat to anyone who wants to remain free.


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2021-07-14 1:54:13 PM  
These mofo's scare me more than ISIS or Al Q, if for no other reason than they are here and live amongst us.

/ not to mention they are entrenched in our government as well
 
2021-07-14 1:56:33 PM  

PirateKing: They really don't understand human nature if they think that there would be an easy transition.

I mean, I'm not making plans or anything, but if religious civil war kicks off, there are churches on every corner. It's a target rich environment.


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2021-07-14 1:59:00 PM  
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2021-07-14 2:00:03 PM  
I remember after running away from fundieland in the 90s, trying to tell people that evangelicals were trying to take over the government and institute a theocracy.  It's a really weird feeling to have the rest of the country catch up to you.
 
2021-07-14 2:06:55 PM  

Cafe Threads: Combustion: Now why oh why are young people just not going to church anymore? I wonder why? Oh it's because religious people allow the craziest, most pig-ignorant people to hi-jack their religion and speak for them.

Young people aren't stupid anymore.

Maybe it's because

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To be fair, I am an adult and I throughly enjoy myths. I just don't, you know, believe in them.
 
2021-07-14 2:12:05 PM  
Post all the snarky memes you want. Trot out a few ex-Republicans to wag fingers. You can even watch Chuck Schumer roll up his sleeves and ceremonially pound the lectern THREE TIMES!!! The fact we are in the final stages of a half century campaign to remove democracy and secular government and replace them with a theocratic fascism that will last past our lifetimes.

We are two States, one Supreme Court appointment, or one voter-suppressed election where Republican legislatures decide to he winner from it. We saw it coming but didn't believe it. And now it is pretty much inevitable.
 
2021-07-14 2:15:24 PM  
Just call it it a "Blitzkrieg" and get it over with.
 
2021-07-14 2:18:26 PM  

archnem: I remember after running away from fundieland in the 90s, trying to tell people that evangelicals were trying to take over the government and institute a theocracy.  It's a really weird feeling to have the rest of the country catch up to you.


I remember living through the 1990s as a teenager in libbyland (DC and its environs), and seeing/saying the same thing.

And then Real America® elected George W Bush, and flat-out SAID that's what they were trying to do - and they've been saying it out loud with their full chest ever since.

// not that I'm disagreeing, but it's not like everyone just woke up in 2021 and realized that was the game
 
2021-07-14 2:46:20 PM  

Dr Dreidel: archnem: I remember after running away from fundieland in the 90s, trying to tell people that evangelicals were trying to take over the government and institute a theocracy.  It's a really weird feeling to have the rest of the country catch up to you.

I remember living through the 1990s as a teenager in libbyland (DC and its environs), and seeing/saying the same thing.

And then Real America® elected George W Bush, and flat-out SAID that's what they were trying to do - and they've been saying it out loud with their full chest ever since.

// not that I'm disagreeing, but it's not like everyone just woke up in 2021 and realized that was the game


Agreed, many people still think it's utter fantasy and that the GOP can be negotiated with.
 
2021-07-14 2:51:16 PM  

Myk-House of El: Malenfant: jerryskid: The greatest threats to America are christians.  They will try to destroy or kill anything that does not agree with their fantasies.

Christianists. Christians don't force the rules of their sects on others. Like Islamists, it's the Christianists who are a threat to anyone who wants to remain free.

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There's a pretty distinct difference between the factions.

The Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy is a major schism that originated in the 1920s and '30s within the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America. At issue were foundational disputes about the role of Christianity, the authority of Scripture, the death, Resurrection, and atoning sacrifice of Jesus.[1] Two broad factions within Protestantism emerged: Fundamentalists, who insisted upon the timeless validity of each doctrine of Christian Orthodoxy, and Modernists, who advocated a conscious adaptation of religion in response to the new scientific discoveries and the moral pressures of the age. At first, the schism was limited to Reformed Christianity and centered about Princeton Theological Seminary, but soon spread, affecting every denomination of Christianity in the United States. Denominations that were not initially affected, such as the Lutheran Church, eventually were embroiled in the controversy leading to a schism in the Lutheran Church.
By the end of the 1930s proponents of Theological Liberalism had, at the time, effectively won the debate,[2] with the Modernists in control of all Mainline Protestant seminaries, publishing houses and denominational hierarchies in the United States.[3] More conservative Christians withdrew from the mainstream,[3] founding their own publishing houses such as Zondervan, universities (such as Biola University) and seminaries (such as Dallas Theological Seminary and Fuller Theological Seminary). This would remain the state of affairs until the 1970s, when conservative Protestantism emerged on a larger scale, resulting in the rise of conservative Christianity among the Southern Baptists, Presbyterians and others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundame​n​talist%E2%80%93Modernist_controversy

From the perspective of the Fundamentalists, the mainline Protestants are a bunch of heretics who accepted evolution, ecumenism, civil rights, the Social Gospel, and female ministers because they were infiltrated by Communists, and they should be pushed off of the bridge.
 
2021-07-14 3:24:04 PM  

Combustion: Now why oh why are young people just not going to church anymore? I wonder why? Oh it's because religious people allow the craziest, most pig-ignorant people to hi-jack their religion and speak for them.

Young people aren't stupid anymore.


Young people are as stupid as they always were; the churches got stupider than that.

There was a time when the mainstream churches--Lutherans, Methodists, RCC, etc--didn't have an issue with separation of church and state, or with science for that matter.  Now those churches are no longer the mainstream.
 
2021-07-14 3:41:15 PM  

anuran: Post all the snarky memes you want. Trot out a few ex-Republicans to wag fingers. You can even watch Chuck Schumer roll up his sleeves and ceremonially pound the lectern THREE TIMES!!! The fact we are in the final stages of a half century campaign to remove democracy and secular government and replace them with a theocratic fascism that will last past our lifetimes.

We are two States, one Supreme Court appointment, or one voter-suppressed election where Republican legislatures decide to he winner from it. We saw it coming but didn't believe it. And now it is pretty much inevitable.


Theocratic Fascist Gilead of TrumpLandia would indeed outlive me, but then it would be like Carl Sagan said - World War III - which would be like "having a WWII every SEOND for a lazy afternoon!"  But since they believe with fervent faith in the End of Times, they would surely help fulfill that "destiny"!  But between Putin and the Ukrane, China and the South China Sea and Taiwan and a US in turmoil and decline, it might happen without Gilead anyway!
 
2021-07-14 4:56:29 PM  
Their definition of Freedom of Religion:

"We claim the right and freedom to worship our God our way, according to our interpretation of our scripture, and to live our lives bound by our religious preceipts. We also acknowledge that you have your absolutely equal right and freedom to worship our God our way, according to our interpretation of our scripture, and to live your lives bound by our religious precepts. See? Absolutely equal rights and freedom of religion!"
 
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