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2021-07-13 11:26:25 PM  
It's what the market will bear.
 
2021-07-13 11:29:02 PM  
Elon Musk to his engineers: "Repairability? Pffft! If the car gets scuffed we'll fling it into space for free and they can buy a new one! That's what I do!"
 
2021-07-13 11:38:48 PM  
If you forced an engineer to get his stupid ass down to a dealership to fix some stupid thing that breaks you'll see a lot fewer stupid things that break.

Let them eat dogfood.
 
2021-07-13 11:45:29 PM  
its not a bug.. its a feature.. ask apple..
 
2021-07-13 11:46:06 PM  
If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.
 
2021-07-13 11:47:44 PM  

scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.


This isn't a heater core.  You might wanna think your gotcha through a bit.
 
2021-07-13 11:49:45 PM  
I wonder what Tesla will do. They could deactivate the car because of the "illegal" repair. They keep full control of the operating software for life. This is what Biden's right to repair executive order was about. Does it cover Tesla cars?
 
TWX
2021-07-13 11:50:13 PM  

scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.


Okay, so order a stainless steel one, or an aluminum one, or ABS plastic, or PVC plastic, or whatever other material is needed.  You're still talking only a few dollars.
 
TWX
2021-07-13 11:52:03 PM  

FarkingChas: I wonder what Tesla will do. They could deactivate the car because of the "illegal" repair. They keep full control of the operating software for life. This is what Biden's right to repair executive order was about. Does it cover Tesla cars?


I didn't read the XO but I gather it was directed to the USDA and covers farm equipment, so probably not.
 
2021-07-13 11:56:30 PM  

rohar: scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.

This isn't a heater core.  You might wanna think your gotcha through a bit.


No shiat.  ICE vehicles don't have any equivalent "coolant flowing into body" plastic lines except for the heater core.

Personally I think VW's modular Prismatic concept will be far better than Tesla's integrated battery, especially when you get a bad cell.  Double especially when the cells are LiFePO4
 
2021-07-13 11:56:59 PM  

Stibium: If you forced an engineer to get his stupid ass down to a dealership to fix some stupid thing that breaks you'll see a lot fewer stupid things that break.

Let them eat dogfood.


The engineer isn't the one to blame. They know when they are making crap, they do it because they are told to hurry up, reduce costs, or optimize some other metric instead.

It's a few levels up that make these calls.
 
2021-07-14 12:00:53 AM  
Out of all the videos Rich puts up THIS is the one that ends up on Fark?  Do yourselves a favor and watch the rest of his videos.  Rich and Stevon are hilarious.  Go watch them now.
 
2021-07-14 12:09:28 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Stibium: If you forced an engineer to get his stupid ass down to a dealership to fix some stupid thing that breaks you'll see a lot fewer stupid things that break.

Let them eat dogfood.

The engineer isn't the one to blame. They know when they are making crap, they do it because they are told to hurry up, reduce costs, or optimize some other metric instead.

It's a few levels up that make these calls.


Exactly.

Vehicles aren't designed to be repaired, they're designed to reduce assembly costs.

After 30+ years as a flat rate mechanic I'm kind of an expert on this.  "Can you believe this shiat?" is one of the more common expressions when discussing modern vehicle engineering.

Case in point: heater cores, as I mentioned above.  Most cars used to have a removable panel underhood you could use to replace the core...two bolts, two hose clamps, about 30 minutes and you're done.  Now it's evac the A/C, pull the dash, pull the HVAC case, try to disassemble it without breaking any of the door actuators, replace the core and reassemble.  11 hours on the F-150 I mentioned upthread.

Manufacturers don't care because the car will be out of warranty before it's an issue.
 
2021-07-14 12:13:41 AM  

scanman61: rohar: scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.

This isn't a heater core.  You might wanna think your gotcha through a bit.

No shiat.  ICE vehicles don't have any equivalent "coolant flowing into body" plastic lines except for the heater core.

Personally I think VW's modular Prismatic concept will be far better than Tesla's integrated battery, especially when you get a bad cell.  Double especially when the cells are LiFePO4


Then why the hell did you go there?
 
2021-07-14 12:23:14 AM  

rohar: scanman61: rohar: scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.

This isn't a heater core.  You might wanna think your gotcha through a bit.

No shiat.  ICE vehicles don't have any equivalent "coolant flowing into body" plastic lines except for the heater core.

Personally I think VW's modular Prismatic concept will be far better than Tesla's integrated battery, especially when you get a bad cell.  Double especially when the cells are LiFePO4

Then why the hell did you go there?


From what I see, he was just making a comparison to the ridiculous prices to repair things on modern equipment. Largely because of how they are made. All modern equipment is like that.

Just a silly comparison. I have a 30+ year old clock radio with a backlit LCD clock. The "flashlight" bulb burnt out. Turns out they included a spare bulb and made it easily replaceable. Madness to the people that make modern things.
 
2021-07-14 12:26:07 AM  

rohar: scanman61: rohar: scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.

This isn't a heater core.  You might wanna think your gotcha through a bit.

No shiat.  ICE vehicles don't have any equivalent "coolant flowing into body" plastic lines except for the heater core.

Personally I think VW's modular Prismatic concept will be far better than Tesla's integrated battery, especially when you get a bad cell.  Double especially when the cells are LiFePO4

Then why the hell did you go there?


Because that's what dealership repair departments do....they replaced broken factory parts with new factory parts.  Even on vehicles where we already have full access to SI and parts, which is all Right to Repair is.

You don't want to pay for what they consider a proper repair?  Fine, hit the road.

As far as RtR goes, my job is driving from repair shop to repair shop programming vehicle modules using factory scan tools. I wouldn't have this job if the auto aftermarket hadn't started this fight back in '96 when OBD2 came out.

This isn't an RtR issue anyway, it's a problem caused by  Tesla's choice to integrate the battery pack as a structural component of the chassis.  It wasn't some big conspiracy to make the cars unrepairable, they did it because it easier and cheaper.
 
2021-07-14 12:26:46 AM  

FarkingChas: rohar: scanman61: rohar: scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.

This isn't a heater core.  You might wanna think your gotcha through a bit.

No shiat.  ICE vehicles don't have any equivalent "coolant flowing into body" plastic lines except for the heater core.

Personally I think VW's modular Prismatic concept will be far better than Tesla's integrated battery, especially when you get a bad cell.  Double especially when the cells are LiFePO4

Then why the hell did you go there?

From what I see, he was just making a comparison to the ridiculous prices to repair things on modern equipment. Largely because of how they are made. All modern equipment is like that.

Just a silly comparison. I have a 30+ year old clock radio with a backlit LCD clock. The "flashlight" bulb burnt out. Turns out they included a spare bulb and made it easily replaceable. Madness to the people that make modern things.


Thank you

This guy gets it.
 
2021-07-14 12:36:44 AM  
Right to Repair is more than just the laws. It's also the philosophy that you can and should repair things instead of throwing them away.

People need to be made aware that companies are lying to them when they say things are "too complicated" to be fixed. Quite often they don't realize repairs are even possible.
 
2021-07-14 12:42:16 AM  
Modern vehicles are designed for ease of manufacturing and not repairability. I'm absolutely shocked. Oh, my god. How unbelievable. 😐

It's also disingenuous to imply that were the battery pack to be replaced, it would just be disposed of. But I suppose that kind of dishonesty is to be expected from Jalopnik.
 
2021-07-14 12:48:50 AM  

scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.


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2021-07-14 12:52:21 AM  
Dealer techs aren't real mechanics they just change components.
 
2021-07-14 12:56:25 AM  

scanman61: Fark_Guy_Rob: Stibium: If you forced an engineer to get his stupid ass down to a dealership to fix some stupid thing that breaks you'll see a lot fewer stupid things that break.

Let them eat dogfood.

The engineer isn't the one to blame. They know when they are making crap, they do it because they are told to hurry up, reduce costs, or optimize some other metric instead.

It's a few levels up that make these calls.

Exactly.

Vehicles aren't designed to be repaired, they're designed to reduce assembly costs.

After 30+ years as a flat rate mechanic I'm kind of an expert on this.  "Can you believe this shiat?" is one of the more common expressions when discussing modern vehicle engineering.

Case in point: heater cores, as I mentioned above.  Most cars used to have a removable panel underhood you could use to replace the core...two bolts, two hose clamps, about 30 minutes and you're done.  Now it's evac the A/C, pull the dash, pull the HVAC case, try to disassemble it without breaking any of the door actuators, replace the core and reassemble.  11 hours on the F-150 I mentioned upthread.

Manufacturers don't care because the car will be out of warranty before it's an issue.


I remember when the heater core on my '91 F150 went.  Was driving around with my buddy and he starts screaming that hot water was burning his feet (flip flops, summer time).  Pulled over, figured out that's what it was.  Drove right to Autozone and swapped it out right there in the parking lot.  I think I might have topped off the coolant after that. Maybe.
 
2021-07-14 1:06:33 AM  

FarkingChas: I wonder what Tesla will do. They could deactivate the car because of the "illegal" repair. They keep full control of the operating software for life. This is what Biden's right to repair executive order was about. Does it cover Tesla cars?


Tesla might be smart enough to realize the bad optics of bricking a car over an affordable repair, but in the long run I'm still betting on Elon Musk ruining both spacex and telsa through stupidity, overconfidence and greed
 
2021-07-14 1:20:32 AM  

scanman61: I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.


That was mentioned in the video.
 
2021-07-14 2:38:16 AM  

Alcoholycaust: It's what the market will bear.


Where the fark is there proof of that? Don't you have to wait a while to find out? You do undertand that Darwinism is a process of subtraction, right? A species, like IP protecting patent hogs such as Musk, will do things that destroy the habitat where they live, and die out.
 
2021-07-14 2:43:33 AM  
Seems perfectly on brand.
 
2021-07-14 4:13:19 AM  
Stories like this only get one reaction out of me. I make a gesture that is half throwing my arms above my head and half shrugging. It is really hard to describe. You know that scene in Fargo where the guy is getting sold TruCoat by Jerry Lundergaard? Jerry leaves and this guy turns and says to his wife... "These GUYS!!!" That is pretty much it. Plus arm gestures.

Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like. Some large share of those will be purchased from a company with no competing dealerships. So you will have to pay a price determined by an oligopoly and a government subsidy. You will be forced to let the firm determine the vehicle attributes AFTER the purchase. You will not have freedom to repair or modify the vehicle. You might be promised free charging for life, but the promise is not binding. Tell people how much it sucks and they will tell you to move to Somalia. The "Tesla Yoke" will be a double entendre.

Sounds great! 16000 dollars, non-negotiable, for a problem fixed for 10 bucks and some elbow grease. Any more good news? Would you like an extended service warranty for an extra 15%?

I have been dreading the whole "goods as service" and "rental economy" BS for over a decade and here we are. Anyone remember when you had to rent a phone from ATT and you had no choice? When your terminal would not work unless it was tied to a mainframe? We are living an encore. Why be independent and take responsibility for yourself when you can be dependent? Some people do choose slavery.

/ I see a Red Barchetta dystopia looming. One of my least favorite Rush songs haunts me.
// Hugh Farnham/ Robert Heinlein has some choice thoughts on people choosing slavery.
/// This kind of society is easier though, right? Because the costs are socialized, and no rich guy is going to have to fix it himself. His insurance will do it, and if poors can't afford insurance or cars, then let them work harder. Or ride a bike. As long as Tesla gets its money and saves the planet.
 
2021-07-14 4:20:32 AM  

scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.


You are right. You are totally right. If you want it done correctly and if you want to avoid liability in court and do it all by the book, you have to let the experts do it right. In principle. I smarted you.

You are hinting at something inherently wrong with this whole thing though. 16000 bucks vs. 10 bucks is larceny. And the scam works in favor of a lazy company with lazy engineering to the detriment of a person who just wants a merchantable product.

How many times have we been told that "total cost of ownership" for an EV is lower because you don't need oil changes? Well, 16k is a hell of a lot of oil changes.

How about including this probability of a very important component becoming useless because of a minor scuff? 16k is a pretty big cost. Maybe, just maybe, having more parts has its advantages when they are well made and tested over time.
 
2021-07-14 4:29:37 AM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: FarkingChas: I wonder what Tesla will do. They could deactivate the car because of the "illegal" repair. They keep full control of the operating software for life. This is what Biden's right to repair executive order was about. Does it cover Tesla cars?

Tesla might be smart enough to realize the bad optics of bricking a car over an affordable repair, but in the long run I'm still betting on Elon Musk ruining both spacex and telsa through stupidity, overconfidence and greed


In all sincerity, I think that would be a shame. But I won't disagree with you. The man has something to teach humanity. I am sure of it. But I am not at all sure whether that is a good thing.
 
2021-07-14 5:11:22 AM  

2fardownthread: Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like.


Hey, maybe if it upsets you so much to be called an oil industry shill, you should stop posting oil industry propaganda almost verbatim. If nobody is paying you to post your disinformation, you should really look into that. If you're really good at something, never do it for free.
 
2021-07-14 5:22:47 AM  

Mcavity: its not a bug.. its a feature.. ask apple..


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2021-07-14 7:09:13 AM  

scanman61: If you crack the nipple on the heater core of your 2020 F150 and take it to the dealer they aren't gonna shade tree it back together with Home Depot parts either.

They're going to charge you 11 hours labor plus the core plus coolant.... let's call it somewhere between $1700-2000.

I'm curious what coolant chemistry Tesla uses and how it interacts with brass.


I agree, the only real difference here is the extent of the price discrepancy between the shade tree solution and the factory replacement.  Without knowing for certain, the $16k quote sounds like Tesla wanted to charge for a brand new battery with no credit given to the core charge for the original (which seems to have been perfectly good in terms of battery life).

Now I have no clue what Tesla's battery refurbishment policies/costs are, but there was still a whole lot of value in that original pack, and it seems Tesla could have removed it, scavenged the cells to put into a new/refurbished pack with the factory cooling hookups and put it into some other car with a damaged/dead battery, or maybe converted into a powerwall or other battery product.  That ought to return a huge chunk of change to the owner (who I can't imagine was planning on keeping the old battery if they were going to put in a new one).
 
2021-07-14 7:28:12 AM  

illegal: Dealer techs aren't real mechanics they just change components.


After having a "real mechanic" tear apart my CVT transmission and rebuild it 4 times before it was done correctly I would rather have one that just took an off the shelf rebuilt from a factory any day of the week.
 
2021-07-14 7:48:36 AM  

Likwit: Modern vehicles are designed for ease of manufacturing and not repairability. I'm absolutely shocked. Oh, my god. How unbelievable. 😐

It's also disingenuous to imply that were the battery pack to be replaced, it would just be disposed of. But I suppose that kind of dishonesty is to be expected from Jalopnik.


You should change your handle to Likspittle.
 
2021-07-14 7:51:02 AM  

2fardownthread: Stories like this only get one reaction out of me. I make a gesture that is half throwing my arms above my head and half shrugging. It is really hard to describe. You know that scene in Fargo where the guy is getting sold TruCoat by Jerry Lundergaard? Jerry leaves and this guy turns and says to his wife... "These GUYS!!!" That is pretty much it. Plus arm gestures.

Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like. Some large share of those will be purchased from a company with no competing dealerships. So you will have to pay a price determined by an oligopoly and a government subsidy. You will be forced to let the firm determine the vehicle attributes AFTER the purchase. You will not have freedom to repair or modify the vehicle. You might be promised free charging for life, but the promise is not binding. Tell people how much it sucks and they will tell you to move to Somalia. The "Tesla Yoke" will be a double entendre.

Sounds great! 16000 dollars, non-negotiable, for a problem fixed for 10 bucks and some elbow grease. Any more good news? Would you like an extended service warranty for an extra 15%?

I have been dreading the whole "goods as service" and "rental economy" BS for over a decade and here we are. Anyone remember when you had to rent a phone from ATT and you had no choice? When your terminal would not work unless it was tied to a mainframe? We are living an encore. Why be independent and take responsibility for yourself when you can be dependent? Some people do choose slavery.

/ I see a Red Barchetta dystopia looming. One of my least favorite Rush songs haunts me.
// Hugh Farnham/ Robert Heinlein has some choice thoughts on people choosing slavery.
/// This kind of society is easier though, right? Because the costs are socialized, and no rich guy is going to have to fix it himself. His insurance will do it, and if poors can't afford insurance or cars, then let them work harder. Or ride a bike. As long as Tesla gets its money and saves the planet.


Do you smell toast?
 
2021-07-14 7:54:13 AM  

Likwit: 2fardownthread: Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like.

Hey, maybe if it upsets you so much to be called an oil industry shill, you should stop posting oil industry propaganda almost verbatim. If nobody is paying you to post your disinformation, you should really look into that. If you're really good at something, never do it for free.


Neat. Oil company shill vs Elon Musk shill. Fark should sell tickets.
 
2021-07-14 7:58:18 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Likwit: 2fardownthread: Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like.

Hey, maybe if it upsets you so much to be called an oil industry shill, you should stop posting oil industry propaganda almost verbatim. If nobody is paying you to post your disinformation, you should really look into that. If you're really good at something, never do it for free.

Neat. Oil company shill vs Elon Musk shill. Fark should sell tickets.


Once you get on the lucrative Fark shilling gravy train, it's hard to get off.  I can't tell you how many checks I've received for my full-throated endorsements of Taco Bell.  It really moves the sales needle on chalupas.
 
2021-07-14 7:58:58 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Likwit: 2fardownthread: Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like.

Hey, maybe if it upsets you so much to be called an oil industry shill, you should stop posting oil industry propaganda almost verbatim. If nobody is paying you to post your disinformation, you should really look into that. If you're really good at something, never do it for free.

Neat. Oil company shill vs Elon Musk shill. Fark should sell tickets.


Hey, do you ever try to contribute to any thread you're a part of? Or do you just fly in, fling insults, and then cry like little kid when anyone pushes back? I'm not saying that's all you do, it's just all I've ever seen.
 
2021-07-14 7:59:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Tyrone Slothrop: Likwit: 2fardownthread: Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like.

Hey, maybe if it upsets you so much to be called an oil industry shill, you should stop posting oil industry propaganda almost verbatim. If nobody is paying you to post your disinformation, you should really look into that. If you're really good at something, never do it for free.

Neat. Oil company shill vs Elon Musk shill. Fark should sell tickets.

Once you get on the lucrative Fark shilling gravy train, it's hard to get off.  I can't tell you how many checks I've received for my full-throated endorsements of Taco Bell.  It really moves the sales needle on chalupas.


The alts are talking to each other. Weird.
 
2021-07-14 8:04:46 AM  

Likwit: Rapmaster2000: Tyrone Slothrop: Likwit: 2fardownthread: Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like.

Hey, maybe if it upsets you so much to be called an oil industry shill, you should stop posting oil industry propaganda almost verbatim. If nobody is paying you to post your disinformation, you should really look into that. If you're really good at something, never do it for free.

Neat. Oil company shill vs Elon Musk shill. Fark should sell tickets.

Once you get on the lucrative Fark shilling gravy train, it's hard to get off.  I can't tell you how many checks I've received for my full-throated endorsements of Taco Bell.  It really moves the sales needle on chalupas.

The alts are talking to each other. Weird.


Alts talking to each other isn't remotely weird.  It's what one does with alts.  You could have made the accusation without the naivety.
 
2021-07-14 8:09:11 AM  

Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: illegal: Dealer techs aren't real mechanics they just change components.

After having a "real mechanic" tear apart my CVT transmission and rebuild it 4 times before it was done correctly I would rather have one that just took an off the shelf rebuilt from a factory any day of the week.


Nissan?


I do more programming jobs on Nissan CVTs than I do any other transmission.

It used to be the DSP6 Fords but they appear to have gotten all of the original TCMs in those out of service.
 
2021-07-14 8:18:00 AM  
Still cheaper than repairing a Volvo
 
2021-07-14 8:52:19 AM  
Anyone who can afford to buy a Tesla can also put up with their expensive repairs. Otherwise, don't be stupid enough to buy a Tesla.
 
2021-07-14 10:10:59 AM  
From what I can tell, Tesla basically gave the price to replace the battery pack. The other shop assumed the only damage was part of connection for the battery coolant system and machined a replacement and installed it then spliced the tubing. The Tesla solution fixes the problem and makes the car like new. The shop's fix is much cheaper, but more temporary, and if there's another issue of if they didn't get the fix correct / account for weather properly, then there's obviously the risk of a battery fire.

I think the Tesla price is just plain silly. The battery pack is a nuisance to replace, but not that bad and the undamaged components can be harvested for repairs / recycled.

I don't think the shop's solution is adequate or safe either (maybe OK in the short term). Cheap, sure.
 
2021-07-14 10:48:59 AM  
It always seemed strange to me for a Tesla owner to complain about being ripped off.

I mean, You already own a Tesla.

Seems you don't care that much about being ripped off.
 
2021-07-14 10:52:02 AM  

akya: It always seemed strange to me for a Tesla owner to complain about being ripped off.

I mean, You already own a Tesla.

Seems you don't care that much about being ripped off.


Rich people live ripping off other people but hate when it happens to them.
 
2021-07-14 10:53:42 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Tyrone Slothrop: Likwit: 2fardownthread: Just to recap. Any day now, people throughout various countries will be forced to buy cars that they might not like.

Hey, maybe if it upsets you so much to be called an oil industry shill, you should stop posting oil industry propaganda almost verbatim. If nobody is paying you to post your disinformation, you should really look into that. If you're really good at something, never do it for free.

Neat. Oil company shill vs Elon Musk shill. Fark should sell tickets.

Once you get on the lucrative Fark shilling gravy train, it's hard to get off.  I can't tell you how many checks I've received for my full-throated endorsements of Taco Bell.  It really moves the sales needle on chalupas.


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2021-07-14 11:10:29 AM  

akya: It always seemed strange to me for a Tesla owner to complain about being ripped off.

I mean, You already own a Tesla.

Seems you don't care that much about being ripped off.


A nice Model 3 costs about the same as a nice Grand Cherokee, so I'm not sure where you're getting your ideas....unless you consider Grand Cherokee drivers the caviar and champagne class.
 
2021-07-14 11:38:20 AM  

2fardownthread: Anyone remember when you had to rent a phone from ATT and you had no choice?


Yep. I have had customers (usually the proverbial little old ladies) that rented telephones from Sprint (before they were Embarq and Centurylink) for years at 10 bucks a month.  And paid for "inside wiring insurance."  Not to mention their long distance rates.  We pay about .001 a minute as a really small wholesaler with VoIP.  Also telcos like Ntelos who took phone companies like Clifton, Forge Waynesboro and bankrupted them wiping out pensions for untold numbers of retirees and their spouses. Nothing wrong with making money, and having margins. That's what pays the bills and gives people raises.  But no need to screw people over, under and sideways like that for "shareholder value."

Telcos can go fark themselves with a white hot rod of polonium.
 
2021-07-14 11:40:27 AM  

Explodo: akya: It always seemed strange to me for a Tesla owner to complain about being ripped off.

I mean, You already own a Tesla.

Seems you don't care that much about being ripped off.

A nice Model 3 costs about the same as a nice Grand Cherokee, so I'm not sure where you're getting your ideas....unless you consider Grand Cherokee drivers the caviar and champagne class.


I'm saying, if you need a vehicle to get you from point A to point B, you can buy a gently used, say, Toyota sedan for < $10k that will last you a long time and get really good mileage.

The cheapest used Model 3 I can find is $37k.

Spending 3.7 times more than you need to for a different shaped T on the hood just seems foolish to me.  They both solve the same problem.

But I guess I'm not a car enthusiast.
 
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