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(Live Science)   So why aren't wimpy humans on some predator's regular lunch menu?   (livescience.com) divider line
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2021-07-13 4:55:48 AM  
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2021-07-13 6:05:40 AM  
Fire?
 
2021-07-13 6:17:43 AM  
We were until figured out how to kill all the predators that wanted to try.
 
2021-07-13 6:29:15 AM  
Everywhere except Africa this is a nonsense question because we're not native species, and by the time we got there we could kill anything that caused trouble.
 
2021-07-13 6:58:24 AM  
we may be wimpy compared to most other animals, but we make up for it with our smarts
 
2021-07-13 7:05:44 AM  
Yeah, sure, humans act all tough and apex, then they biatch and moan about all those mosquito bites...
 
2021-07-13 7:19:56 AM  
We are....
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2021-07-13 7:21:19 AM  
Human babies make a lot of noise. We've evolved not to give a shiat about being quiet in infancy because mom and dad and their family have been apex predators for so long, why bother? Get that milk when you want it!

Whimpy is irrelevant if you're with your tribe and can point a spear in the right direction and coordinate with language. No other animal had a chance at that point.
 
2021-07-13 7:29:10 AM  
Amateur-hour theory: Humans have been hunting other species - either for food or just to eliminate a threat - for so long that many other species have evolved an instinctive fear of us, which they can occasionally overcome if hungry, cornered, or defending their young.

Bipedal tool users have been massacring populations over most of the globe for over 100,000 years.  That's a LOT of generations for some species.
 
2021-07-13 7:34:29 AM  

EvilEgg: We were until figured out how to kill all the predators that wanted to try.


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2021-07-13 7:41:28 AM  
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This is why, plus deforestation. Over 100 years ago, traveling at night was absolutely terrifying and the beasts that lurked in the dark was the stuff of nightmares and legends. Cut all the trees down and put up lights and suddenly predators can't hunt and can be hunted.

My mom told me stories of watching her grandmother's lantern walking through the forest to the outhouse, and she knew it was her grandmother going to take a crap but the memory of a lantern floating in the dark forest (who is it? Where are they going? Are they coming here? Is it human?) still gave her chills.
 
2021-07-13 7:44:10 AM  
What surprises me aren't the predators that are either smart enough to be afraid of us (big cats) or too stupid to be able to identify us accurately (sharks), but the predators that seem friendly towards us.

# 1 on that list... Orcas.  Orcas will kill Great Whites for fun, or Blue Whales for food.  They'll jump up on beaches to grab seals.  They'll use their speed and weight to create waves to swamp icebergs so they can eat the things sleeping on them.  They use their tails to create bubble nets to confuse fish so they can catch them.

But a human fisherman, in a boat full of fish?  Orcas are like hi, how are you doing.  They know the fish are in there.  They know they could get them.  But they don't.  But neither are they scared of us... Orcas aren't scared of anything.  Instead we're treated more like we are fellow Orcas.

Only thing I can think of is that Orcas are smart enough to recognize the intelligence in us.
 
2021-07-13 7:51:46 AM  
Well, here in the UK, we just killed anything dangerous, literally all of them. Then we moved on to killing each other for a few hundred years. When we got bored with that, we took over most of the world and had an empire for a while longer. Not bad for some tiny island off the coast of Europe.

Then, when we got bored by that, we decided to play cricket/football and drink tea.

Pray we don't get bored by cricket, tea, and football.
 
2021-07-13 7:53:17 AM  
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2021-07-13 8:11:37 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Human babies make a lot of noise. We've evolved not to give a shiat about being quiet in infancy because mom and dad and their family have been apex predators for so long, why bother? Get that milk when you want it!

Whimpy is irrelevant if you're with your tribe and can point a spear in the right direction and coordinate with language. No other animal had a chance at that point.


Don't forget that as predators, we also have the advantage of being able to eventually run just about any animal to ground over long distances.

Smarts (including all the benefits of communication with others) and tools (including fire), ability to run down a herd and keep with it until we chose to stop or there was no herd anymore....

Also, predators generally prefer to eat herbivores. They are lower risk and taste better. Predators kill other predators, but not with a meal as the primary motivator.

Opportunistic predators and scavengers like humans because we are wasteful. We will attack a herd and focus on the "good meat" and not even bother to chase down an injured animal unless we need to. That is "smart" provided that there is an infinite supply of prey.
 
2021-07-13 8:16:00 AM  
insects don't care , they'll come after you and everyone you love.
 
2021-07-13 8:18:13 AM  

dready zim: Well, here in the UK, we just killed anything dangerous, literally all of them. Then we moved on to killing each other for a few hundred years. When we got bored with that, we took over most of the world and had an empire for a while longer. Not bad for some tiny island off the coast of Europe.

Then, when we got bored by that, we decided to play cricket/football and drink tea.

Pray we don't get bored by cricket, tea, and football.


I've played cricket and I don't understand how exactly you managed not to get bored on the first day

Football- I imagine that could be a touchy subject for a little while. Perhaps we can revisit during the PL season.

Tea is nice.
 
2021-07-13 8:32:18 AM  
Because we've spent the last 200,000 years teaching every predator on the planet that humans do not tolerate predation?

The animals which learned to avoid humans tended to live long enough to reproduce. Those which didn't learn to avoid humans mostly went extinct (dire wolves, cave bears, etc). There are a few apex predators around which will occasionally munch on humans (tigers, crocodiles, etc), but this rarely works out well for either the individual creature or its species. Humans band together in armed groups to hunt down and exterminate the animal which killed a human- not infrequently taking out a bunch of other potential animal threats which happened to be in the general vicinity at the time.
 
2021-07-13 8:59:11 AM  

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"I don't have to outrun the bear..."
 
2021-07-13 9:01:45 AM  

dready zim: Well, here in the UK, we just killed anything dangerous, literally all of them. Then we moved on to killing each other for a few hundred years. When we got bored with that, we took over most of the world and had an empire for a while longer. Not bad for some tiny island off the coast of Europe.

Then, when we got bored by that, we decided to play cricket/football and drink tea.

Pray we don't get bored by cricket, tea, and football.


In the future I fully expect football will be a bloodsport.
 
2021-07-13 9:05:28 AM  
The selfie has replaced animal predators in removing stupid people from the gene pool.
 
2021-07-13 9:07:50 AM  

discoballer: dready zim: Well, here in the UK, we just killed anything dangerous, literally all of them. Then we moved on to killing each other for a few hundred years. When we got bored with that, we took over most of the world and had an empire for a while longer. Not bad for some tiny island off the coast of Europe.

Then, when we got bored by that, we decided to play cricket/football and drink tea.

Pray we don't get bored by cricket, tea, and football.

In the future I fully expect football will be a bloodsport.


That'll be in the stands. On the pitch it'll go the other way.

I've long maintained that as a general rule the more violent the sport, the nicer the fans.
 
2021-07-13 9:11:14 AM  

petec: we may be wimpy compared to most other animals, but we make up for it with our smarts


"Maine man didn't mean to launch fireworks from his head that killed him, say friends"

Well, the smarts of those who created the means to protect the rest of the species anyway. Outside of those people, humans just need to out breed the rate of Darwin Awards.
 
2021-07-13 9:16:56 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Amateur-hour theory: Humans have been hunting other species - either for food or just to eliminate a threat - for so long that many other species have evolved an instinctive fear of us, which they can occasionally overcome if hungry, cornered, or defending their young.

Bipedal tool users have been massacring populations over most of the globe for over 100,000 years.  That's a LOT of generations for some species.


This. We murdered the shiat out of every animal that didn't learn to fear us, and culled the big ones for sport leaving nothing but rats and deer.
 
2021-07-13 9:22:07 AM  
Somebody should go explain all these reasons to the Nile crocodile.
 
2021-07-13 9:27:08 AM  
The true hallmark of our species is that we're really good at killing things bigger and tougher than ourselves.

There is no species of megafauna that we've coexisted with that we haven't been able to kill with what amounts to a pointed stick.
 
2021-07-13 9:39:33 AM  
Wimpy humans you say?

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2021-07-13 10:01:41 AM  
Seasons 1 to 3 of Zoo are on Netflix.
 
2021-07-13 10:04:30 AM  

Dave The Slushy: discoballer: dready zim: Well, here in the UK, we just killed anything dangerous, literally all of them. Then we moved on to killing each other for a few hundred years. When we got bored with that, we took over most of the world and had an empire for a while longer. Not bad for some tiny island off the coast of Europe.

Then, when we got bored by that, we decided to play cricket/football and drink tea.

Pray we don't get bored by cricket, tea, and football.

In the future I fully expect football will be a bloodsport.

That'll be in the stands. On the pitch it'll go the other way.

I've long maintained that as a general rule the more violent the sport, the nicer the fans.


God help you if you're in the stands at a tiddlywinks tournament.
 
2021-07-13 10:45:04 AM  
Because the deadliest predator is other humans who prey on the weak for sport rather than survival?
 
2021-07-13 11:01:15 AM  

SomeAmerican: What surprises me aren't the predators that are either smart enough to be afraid of us (big cats) or too stupid to be able to identify us accurately (sharks), but the predators that seem friendly towards us.

# 1 on that list... Orcas.  Orcas will kill Great Whites for fun, or Blue Whales for food.  They'll jump up on beaches to grab seals.  They'll use their speed and weight to create waves to swamp icebergs so they can eat the things sleeping on them.  They use their tails to create bubble nets to confuse fish so they can catch them.

But a human fisherman, in a boat full of fish?  Orcas are like hi, how are you doing.  They know the fish are in there.  They know they could get them.  But they don't.  But neither are they scared of us... Orcas aren't scared of anything.  Instead we're treated more like we are fellow Orcas.

Only thing I can think of is that Orcas are smart enough to recognize the intelligence in us.


And sometimes they helped with the hunt!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tom​_​(killer_whale)
 
2021-07-13 1:11:56 PM  

dittybopper: The true hallmark of our species is that we're really good at killing things bigger and tougher than ourselves.

There is no species of megafauna that we've coexisted with that we haven't been able to kill with what amounts to a pointed stick.


Up until very recently we also do not even suffer competition.

That recent change is only because we've started to understand biodiversity and have enough food resources we can be magnanimous. If things ever get tight again we will not be so generous.
 
2021-07-13 1:37:49 PM  
Tigers stop munching on an Indian villager long enough to wave Hi.
 
2021-07-13 3:32:53 PM  

nmrsnr: Everywhere except Africa this is a nonsense question because we're not native species, and by the time we got there we could kill anything that caused trouble.


I've heard from several sources that African animals co-evolved with humans and naturally became wary of them.

The large mammals encountered when humans left Africa weren't naturally wary and were mostly hunted to extinction or enslaved (domesticated)., though sometimes special protected reserves were set up for the hunting pleasure of the elite.

No African mammals have been wiped out or domesticated by humans.
 
2021-07-13 4:44:05 PM  
Their argument is that without our primary defenses and offenses we're wimpy. Well that's a helpful discussion isn't it.
 
2021-07-13 10:07:04 PM  

montreal_medic: I've played cricket and I don't understand how exactly you managed not to get bored on the first day


We drink.
 
2021-07-14 1:15:08 PM  
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