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(Politico)   There may be nothing more American than this: A longstanding and well documented abuse of the legal system is attracting bipartisan reform efforts because it happened to a celebrity   (politico.com) divider line
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2021-07-12 1:23:22 PM  
I want to know if there are betting odds that this ends horribly once she wins her freedom.
 
2021-07-12 3:20:37 PM  
It will be known as the LBA Act.
 
2021-07-12 7:15:56 PM  
Good, removing someone's autonomy to such a degree shouldn't be as easy as taking someone's word for it or a signed letter from a nurse practitioner who met the person once for a couple of minutes.
 
2021-07-12 7:15:57 PM  
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2021-07-12 7:17:31 PM  
Lawmakers are all older than Joe Lewis. Of course this would be on their minds.  That second wife may just plop you in a home and peace out to Zanzibar.
 
2021-07-12 7:18:08 PM  
Even though Britney is slightly older than I am, I always expect her to still be 20. Same goes for Seth Green.
 
2021-07-12 7:18:21 PM  
Glad everything else in this country is solved!

Great job, Biden and Congressional Democrats...you did it. We are a socialist utopia and there are no more problems! No more blacks being targeted and killed by police, no more Reich-wing rapepublican domestic terrorists, we all have universal healthcare, free college, all student loan debt was forgiven..etc.

Seriously, how many conservatorships could there possibly be in this country?

In a year are people going to be saying "Brittany didn't kill herself"?

/s
 
2021-07-12 7:19:19 PM  
"A bill supported by Ted Cruz and Elizabeth Warren"

Today on 'sentences you don't hear very often'...
 
2021-07-12 7:19:23 PM  
Good. Give her the money, she'll be dead in a month.

/no 1 curr
 
2021-07-12 7:19:29 PM  
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2021-07-12 7:20:55 PM  
Unpopular Opinion: If a judge continues to review her case and yet still rules the best remedy is to continue the conservatorship, maybe she has some serious issues that the rest of the public is not privy to, and it's none of our business.
 
2021-07-12 7:21:11 PM  
Power doesnt change until those with power are affected.
 
2021-07-12 7:23:19 PM  
People don't go out and learn about these issues on their own.  It takes it happening to a celebrity for most to even be aware that it is a problem in the first place.
 
2021-07-12 7:25:40 PM  
Didn't it take a woman that is best known for her sex tape to get the last President to consider prison reform?

You have to know your audience.
 
2021-07-12 7:26:03 PM  
Yeah, because we all know about issues BEFORE they make the farking news.

So subby, how is your personal drive to revitalize conservatorship in the US working out? By your level of outrage, I think it's safe to assume that you have been working tirelessly on this for at least the last 10 years.
 
2021-07-12 7:26:42 PM  

OhioUGrad: Glad everything else in this country is solved!

Great job, Biden and Congressional Democrats...you did it. We are a socialist utopia and there are no more problems! No more blacks being targeted and killed by police, no more Reich-wing rapepublican domestic terrorists, we all have universal healthcare, free college, all student loan debt was forgiven..etc.

Seriously, how many conservatorships could there possibly be in this country?

In a year are people going to be saying "Brittany didn't kill herself"?

/s


You sure don't know how the legislative sessions work now do you?

Outside of an impeachment, legislative sessions aren't all or nothing.  And they can do multiple things at once.

So getting something done that is good is not taking away from other issues.

Also, law clerks write the proposed laws, they just vote on them.

So this isn't even taking up the time of the legislators until it comes to a vote.
 
2021-07-12 7:27:02 PM  
She definitely needed this when she was in her peak mental health crisis. But why does she still need it when she clearly seems stable, I dont know. They could have slowly given her more freedom to test to be sure she's ready. It does seem like greed is the issue.
 
2021-07-12 7:28:00 PM  

OhioUGrad: Glad everything else in this country is solved!

Great job, Biden and Congressional Democrats...you did it. We are a socialist utopia and there are no more problems! No more blacks being targeted and killed by police, no more Reich-wing rapepublican domestic terrorists, we all have universal healthcare, free college, all student loan debt was forgiven..etc.

Seriously, how many conservatorships could there possibly be in this country?

In a year are people going to be saying "Brittany didn't kill herself"?

/s


Also, there are a lot, and they're abused to no end.  There are entire companies that have sprung up that basically take everything from people for profit and shove them into homes.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20​1​7/10/09/how-the-elderly-lose-their-rig​hts
 
2021-07-12 7:28:50 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Good. Give her the money, she'll be dead in a month.

/no 1 curr


Naw.  She'll be broke in 6 months thanks the her 'financial advisor' friends and loans to family members.

I was advised to put it on on Bitcoin and create a digital currency called Bitcoin.  And I had to self finance my latest album "Yoga Screams". Yoga Screams is the rap on the 2020s.
 
2021-07-12 7:29:56 PM  
Britcoin autocorrect
 
2021-07-12 7:32:07 PM  

Weatherkiss: Unpopular Opinion: If a judge continues to review her case and yet still rules the best remedy is to continue the conservatorship, maybe she has some serious issues that the rest of the public is not privy to, and it's none of our business.


I wonder about that angle as well. The judge is supposedly getting mental health evaluations from someone. Those should NOT be released to the public.

Maybe that does leave a loophole for abuse though. Who selects and pays the person doing the evaluation?
 
2021-07-12 7:32:39 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Britcoin autocorrect


BritCoin is the Pound, aka quid.
 
2021-07-12 7:33:00 PM  

OhioUGrad: Glad everything else in this country is solved!

Great job, Biden and Congressional Democrats...you did it. We are a socialist utopia and there are no more problems! No more blacks being targeted and killed by police, no more Reich-wing rapepublican domestic terrorists, we all have universal healthcare, free college, all student loan debt was forgiven..etc.

Seriously, how many conservatorships could there possibly be in this country?

In a year are people going to be saying "Brittany didn't kill herself"?

/s


Username checks out.
 
2021-07-12 7:33:19 PM  
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2021-07-12 7:33:23 PM  
like 70% of amercians want legal cannabis which the federal government could actually address. But hey Britney Spears needs help with a state issue

its just pandering and clout chasing
 
2021-07-12 7:33:48 PM  

OhioUGrad: Glad everything else in this country is solved!

Great job, Biden and Congressional Democrats...you did it. We are a socialist utopia and there are no more problems! No more blacks being targeted and killed by police, no more Reich-wing rapepublican domestic terrorists, we all have universal healthcare, free college, all student loan debt was forgiven..etc.

Seriously, how many conservatorships could there possibly be in this country?

In a year are people going to be saying "Brittany didn't kill herself"?

/s


1.3 million(ish).
 
2021-07-12 7:34:11 PM  
You don't suddenly get better from mental illness.
A woman our age thinking that having a baby will fix everything isn't a good sign.
I didn't see the show but I have seen mental illness close up and I am a dad. The fact she still has money and care means dad isn't stealing it.
 
2021-07-12 7:34:29 PM  
I can't be the only one who remembers Ms. Spears burning down her home gym. Some people do actually need supervision...
 
2021-07-12 7:35:09 PM  

Weatherkiss: Unpopular Opinion: If a judge continues to review her case and yet still rules the best remedy is to continue the conservatorship, maybe she has some serious issues that the rest of the public is not privy to, and it's none of our business.


Maybe she does, but the fact that she views her situation as abusive and bad for her mental health should be at least enough to indicate that someone else, someone she trusts and feels safe with, should be in charge of the conservatorship. 

If a judge reviews her case and rules that she is not competent enough to manage her own affairs, then she should at least have the option of choosing someone she trusts and feels safe with to at the very least be vetted by the court, and if that person is found to be competent, she should be allowed to let them handle the conservatorship. 

It should not be left in the hands of those she claims are abusing her and the position. 

The situation as it stands now should not be allowed to continue.
 
2021-07-12 7:35:37 PM  

sinner4ever: You don't suddenly get better from mental illness.
A woman our age thinking that having a baby will fix everything isn't a good sign.
I didn't see the show but I have seen mental illness close up and I am a dad. The fact she still has money and care means dad isn't stealing it.


Pregnancy can actually do wonders for mental and physical health.

But only for the duration of the pregnancy. After that is postpartum depression and the hope that psychosis isn't part of it.
 
2021-07-12 7:37:15 PM  
Conservatorships and mental illness are difficult. There are a lot of misconceptions and prejudices. I worked with a lot of people to get strong language on the UN convention for disabilities to hint at adoption of best practices. We had to relent to keep the rest of it alive. Conservatorship and reproductive rights were the most difficult parts.

Not that it would make a difference to the US if we succeeded. Republican trash blocked ratification  on the basis that UN black helicopters would force derper parents home schooling disabled kids to send them to public school. For real. That's what happened.
 
2021-07-12 7:37:25 PM  
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2021-07-12 7:37:32 PM  

mamoru: If a judge reviews her case and rules that she is not competent enough to manage her own affairs


but that judge should listen to her about who she wants managing her $$$ ???

so not competent to manage her own affairs but competent to chose financial advisers ?
 
2021-07-12 7:40:35 PM  

dkulprit: OhioUGrad: Glad everything else in this country is solved!

Great job, Biden and Congressional Democrats...you did it. We are a socialist utopia and there are no more problems! No more blacks being targeted and killed by police, no more Reich-wing rapepublican domestic terrorists, we all have universal healthcare, free college, all student loan debt was forgiven..etc.

Seriously, how many conservatorships could there possibly be in this country?

In a year are people going to be saying "Brittany didn't kill herself"?

/s

You sure don't know how the legislative sessions work now do you?

Outside of an impeachment, legislative sessions aren't all or nothing.  And they can do multiple things at once.

So getting something done that is good is not taking away from other issues.

Also, law clerks write the proposed laws, they just vote on them.

So this isn't even taking up the time of the legislators until it comes to a vote.


Perhaps you should go look up the whole /s thing and remember this is farking Fark
 
2021-07-12 7:43:23 PM  

kindms: mamoru: If a judge reviews her case and rules that she is not competent enough to manage her own affairs

but that judge should listen to her about who she wants managing her $$$ ???

so not competent to manage her own affairs but competent to chose financial advisers ?


I'm not surprised that a rape apologist like you (thread #9170947) would balk at believing a victim and thinking they should be treated better. Nor am I surprised that you are incapable of reading the rest of the post to which you are replying, but allow me to repeat:

mamoru: then she should at least have the option of choosing someone she trusts and feels safe with to at the very least be vetted by the court, and if that person is found to be competent, she should be allowed to let them handle the conservatorship.


Emphasis mine.
 
2021-07-12 7:43:42 PM  
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2021-07-12 7:45:37 PM  

fortheloveof: OhioUGrad: Glad everything else in this country is solved!

Great job, Biden and Congressional Democrats...you did it. We are a socialist utopia and there are no more problems! No more blacks being targeted and killed by police, no more Reich-wing rapepublican domestic terrorists, we all have universal healthcare, free college, all student loan debt was forgiven..etc.

Seriously, how many conservatorships could there possibly be in this country?

In a year are people going to be saying "Brittany didn't kill herself"?

/s

Username checks out.


That one never gets old, get a new shtick. So original, so funny.

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2021-07-12 7:48:51 PM  

4seasons85!: She definitely needed this when she was in her peak mental health crisis. But why does she still need it when she clearly seems stable, I dont know. They could have slowly given her more freedom to test to be sure she's ready. It does seem like greed is the issue.


Family greed is probably a big factor, but her apparent stability might be a result of medication and therapy she says she wants to stop. Her medical records are confidential, so we are really hearing only one side of the story. There has to be a way to give her more freedom and let her retire and have access to the money she earned, but she still might need meds. It's not necessarily all or nothing.
 
2021-07-12 7:54:47 PM  

sitesmithscott: Power doesnt change until those with power are affected.



"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
 
2021-07-12 7:54:55 PM  
Cool! Now do asset forfeiture.
 
2021-07-12 7:55:15 PM  

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That is a great movie, and while extreme, does highlight how the conservatorship business can be abused heavily.
 
2021-07-12 7:56:49 PM  

dodecahedron: 4seasons85!: She definitely needed this when she was in her peak mental health crisis. But why does she still need it when she clearly seems stable, I dont know. They could have slowly given her more freedom to test to be sure she's ready. It does seem like greed is the issue.

Family greed is probably a big factor, but her apparent stability might be a result of medication and therapy she says she wants to stop. Her medical records are confidential, so we are really hearing only one side of the story. There has to be a way to give her more freedom and let her retire and have access to the money she earned, but she still might need meds. It's not necessarily all or nothing.


Tens of thousands of adults in America are prescribed meds for bipolar disorder and are given the freedom to decide whether or not they will take them. As long as the person isn't committing crimes or hurting other people, it's none of our damn business.
 
2021-07-12 7:58:47 PM  

Weatherkiss: Unpopular Opinion: If a judge continues to review her case and yet still rules the best remedy is to continue the conservatorship, maybe she has some serious issues that the rest of the public is not privy to, and it's none of our business.


I wouldn't be surprised by that outcome but I think the judge should also review the conduct of the people in charge of the conservatorship and determine if they've acted in the best interests of Ms Spears. If any criminal misconduct is found or their actions are determined not to be in the interest of Ms Spears they should face charges and/or dismissal and a new conservatorship should be convened that is neutral and will act in her best interests going forward.

She might still need supervision but that doesn't mean the leeches have to be in charge of it.
 
2021-07-12 8:02:03 PM  

dodecahedron: 4seasons85!: She definitely needed this when she was in her peak mental health crisis. But why does she still need it when she clearly seems stable, I dont know. They could have slowly given her more freedom to test to be sure she's ready. It does seem like greed is the issue.

Family greed is probably a big factor, but her apparent stability might be a result of medication and therapy she says she wants to stop. Her medical records are confidential, so we are really hearing only one side of the story. There has to be a way to give her more freedom and let her retire and have access to the money she earned, but she still might need meds. It's not necessarily all or nothing.


I agree with this.
 
2021-07-12 8:09:48 PM  
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2021-07-12 8:23:11 PM  

sitesmithscott: Power doesnt change until those with power are affected.


This. 18-wheelers didn't have to have those guards on the back that keep cars from going under them until Jayne Mansfield was killed.
 
2021-07-12 8:30:25 PM  
To be fair subby, because something happened to a white celebrity. If it was Alicia Keys instead of Brittney Spears they'd probably just shrug and get back to cashing checks from lobbyists.
 
2021-07-12 8:34:05 PM  

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Came to say that this is still in my queue, and I need to get to it.
 
2021-07-12 8:37:46 PM  

Peki: I can't be the only one who remembers Ms. Spears burning down her home gym. Some people do actually need supervision...


Destroying your own property isn't really a blip in an industry where demolishing 5-star hotel rooms was considered a rite of passage.

FFS, Vince Neil killed a person (okay, a drummer, but still,...) and once his probation was up, he was in charge of his own life again.
 
2021-07-12 8:37:50 PM  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuRp​Z​YnkrA

Just watched this and as always he's great at covering complex subjects.
 
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