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2021-07-12 8:25:33 AM  
The movies don't show the heroes eating lunch every afternoon, either.  But we can assume it happens.
 
2021-07-12 8:28:03 AM  
It's bad writing though if you have to explain it after the movie is over. In this case, apparently years after.
 
2021-07-12 8:30:26 AM  
Also, there was no "body" (unless Hawkeye dragged it back with him once receiving the Soul Stone), so a silent memorial service would have been most appropriate. I assume Nat's empty grave site was more symbolic than anything.
 
2021-07-12 8:36:31 AM  
On the one hand she doesn't get recognied by anyone in her own movie, the in-universe public gives no farks about her. On the other, I don't know why they're positioning Tony's funeral as a public one in the article as some sort of defence - only the heroes were there.

I know the movie was already long and of course it happened off screen, but what she did was a big enough deal I think they probably should have done something on screen.
 
2021-07-12 8:38:55 AM  

Burra: On the one hand she doesn't get recognied by anyone in her own movie, the in-universe public gives no farks about her. On the other, I don't know why they're positioning Tony's funeral as a public one in the article as some sort of defence - only the heroes were there.

I know the movie was already long and of course it happened off screen, but what she did was a big enough deal I think they probably should have done something on screen.


One line of dialogue to indicate the service is for multiple people.  Or one line of dialogue saying it's a shame she didn't want a service. Or several other possible solutions under 30 seconds.
 
2021-07-12 8:39:35 AM  

Burra: On the one hand she doesn't get recognied by anyone in her own movie, the in-universe public gives no farks about her. On the other, I don't know why they're positioning Tony's funeral as a public one in the article as some sort of defence - only the heroes were there.

I know the movie was already long and of course it happened off screen, but what she did was a big enough deal I think they probably should have done something on screen.


It was funny that her sister was going on about how famous she is and how girls look up to her, and yet she can walk down the street in combat clothes and no one says "Hey, it's Black Widow of the Avengers!".
 
2021-07-12 8:45:07 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Burra: On the one hand she doesn't get recognied by anyone in her own movie, the in-universe public gives no farks about her. On the other, I don't know why they're positioning Tony's funeral as a public one in the article as some sort of defence - only the heroes were there.

I know the movie was already long and of course it happened off screen, but what she did was a big enough deal I think they probably should have done something on screen.

It was funny that her sister was going on about how famous she is and how girls look up to her, and yet she can walk down the street in combat clothes and no one says "Hey, it's Black Widow of the Avengers!".


I assume it's because unlike every intelligence agency and hero in the world, the public is very much aware of hundreds of women openly running around wrecking the place in the same uniform and doesn't bother with faces.
 
2021-07-12 8:50:48 AM  
Because no one *really* dies in comic books?

/No, didn't read the article
 
2021-07-12 9:12:01 AM  
They did, in a way. I don't think anyone knew her as well as Tony (if at all) because she was a spy working for secret organizations not a big public media mogul/billionaire/playboy/philanthropi​st/genius, so she wouldn't have gotten the big sendoff that Tony got, but Clint and Wanda did have a moment in the end there. They mourned her in their own way.

Steve Rogers wasn't even at Tony's funeral, how come no one brings that up?
 
2021-07-12 9:20:50 AM  

Ishkur: They did, in a way. I don't think anyone knew her as well as Tony (if at all) because she was a spy working for secret organizations not a big public media mogul/billionaire/playboy/philanthropi​st/genius, so she wouldn't have gotten the big sendoff that Tony got, but Clint and Wanda did have a moment in the end there. They mourned her in their own way.

Steve Rogers wasn't even at Tony's funeral, how come no one brings that up?


Because he was there, on the pier behind Rhodey and Happy?
 
2021-07-12 9:26:53 AM  

NeoCortex42: The movies don't show the heroes eating lunch every afternoon, either.  But we can assume it happens.



Sure they do:  https://laughingsquid.com/marvel​-chara​cters-eating/
 
2021-07-12 9:29:25 AM  

Burra: Because he was there, on the pier behind Rhodey and Happy?


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2021-07-12 9:44:15 AM  
We all know Red Skull went down the mountain after Hawkeye left to get a closer look at that Stark nanotech suit.

Then, the Soul Stone reappeared on Vormir like it always does, and he used it to reanimate her, but she of course couldn't remember her former life.

He told her that her name was Peg and she worked in the school cafeteria until she caught brain-eating amoeba from an industrial sized can of white potatoes and that's why she has memory loss.

Then he threw her down into the holding pens in the Vormir Salt Mine which is where she meets Gamora aka Shirley, who it turns out also worked in the school cafeteria.
 
2021-07-12 9:52:17 AM  

Kris_Romm: It's bad writing though if you have to explain it after the movie is over. In this case, apparently years after.


She only had to explain it because very, very dumb people whined about it enough.
 
2021-07-12 9:52:55 AM  

ieerto: We all know Red Skull went down the mountain after Hawkeye left to get a closer look at that Stark nanotech suit.

Then, the Soul Stone reappeared on Vormir like it always does, and he used it to reanimate her, but she of course couldn't remember her former life.

He told her that her name was Peg and she worked in the school cafeteria until she caught brain-eating amoeba from an industrial sized can of white potatoes and that's why she has memory loss.

Then he threw her down into the holding pens in the Vormir Salt Mine which is where she meets Gamora aka Shirley, who it turns out also worked in the school cafeteria.


You know, that's technically not a bad theory, your wackiness aside.

Having Red Skull see the stone appear the second that it disappeared may tell him something is wrong with the system or some thing and he immediately reanimates her?
So now she is just stuck there until someone else comes along to take her home?

It IS a comic book after all!
 
2021-07-12 10:06:54 AM  
Because you wanted hype that Black Widow would be revealed to be alive in the post credit scenes of Black Widow so you'd have a better opening week.
 
2021-07-12 10:36:01 AM  

ieerto: We all know Red Skull went down the mountain after Hawkeye left to get a closer look at that Stark nanotech suit.

Then, the Soul Stone reappeared on Vormir like it always does, and he used it to reanimate her, but she of course couldn't remember her former life.

He told her that her name was Peg and she worked in the school cafeteria until she caught brain-eating amoeba from an industrial sized can of white potatoes and that's why she has memory loss.

Then he threw her down into the holding pens in the Vormir Salt Mine which is where she meets Gamora aka Shirley, who it turns out also worked in the school cafeteria.


No, because the second Hawkeye woke up with the Soul Stone in hand, Cap was up on the mountain, Soul Stone in hand, wondering WTF Red Skull was doing there (Hawkeye not knowing that the guardian is actually Red Skull therefore not telling Cap) as Cap had to return it back to its proper place in the timeline.

Except that Cap also doesn't know how it works and actually ends up *physically handing over the Soul Stone* to Red Skull, who attempts to use it and causes a timeline issue whereby the TVA shows up and takes him into custody, the Soul Stone ends up in a drawer at the TVA where Loki sees it, and Red Skull is purged and the timeline reset.
 
2021-07-12 10:43:09 AM  

null: ieerto: We all know Red Skull went down the mountain after Hawkeye left to get a closer look at that Stark nanotech suit.

Then, the Soul Stone reappeared on Vormir like it always does, and he used it to reanimate her, but she of course couldn't remember her former life.

He told her that her name was Peg and she worked in the school cafeteria until she caught brain-eating amoeba from an industrial sized can of white potatoes and that's why she has memory loss.

Then he threw her down into the holding pens in the Vormir Salt Mine which is where she meets Gamora aka Shirley, who it turns out also worked in the school cafeteria.

No, because the second Hawkeye woke up with the Soul Stone in hand, Cap was up on the mountain, Soul Stone in hand, wondering WTF Red Skull was doing there (Hawkeye not knowing that the guardian is actually Red Skull therefore not telling Cap) as Cap had to return it back to its proper place in the timeline.

Except that Cap also doesn't know how it works and actually ends up *physically handing over the Soul Stone* to Red Skull, who attempts to use it and causes a timeline issue whereby the TVA shows up and takes him into custody, the Soul Stone ends up in a drawer at the TVA where Loki sees it, and Red Skull is purged and the timeline reset.


Better yet, purged Red Skull manages to survive and get past Alioth and is now back out there in the MCU...
 
2021-07-12 10:47:01 AM  

Kris_Romm: Burra: On the one hand she doesn't get recognied by anyone in her own movie, the in-universe public gives no farks about her. On the other, I don't know why they're positioning Tony's funeral as a public one in the article as some sort of defence - only the heroes were there.

I know the movie was already long and of course it happened off screen, but what she did was a big enough deal I think they probably should have done something on screen.

One line of dialogue to indicate the service is for multiple people.  Or one line of dialogue saying it's a shame she didn't want a service. Or several other possible solutions under 30 seconds.


how about a gravesite indicating her sister isn't the only one visiting it
 
2021-07-12 10:53:57 AM  
Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.
 
2021-07-12 10:55:36 AM  

madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.


you don't know how memorials work?
 
2021-07-12 10:59:22 AM  

madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.


It gets worse when you consider Steve ought to have been right there returning the Soul Stone after it was taken.  And instead of bringing back her body, he decided to go get some from Peggy Carter.
 
2021-07-12 11:19:58 AM  

madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenot​a​ph
 
2021-07-12 11:22:34 AM  

null: madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.

It gets worse when you consider Steve ought to have been right there returning the Soul Stone after it was taken.  And instead of bringing back her body, he decided to go get some from Peggy Carter.


A: Drag mangled corpse across time.
B: Have hot sex with the woman you've been pining for your entire life.

Pretty obvious choice.
 
2021-07-12 11:40:48 AM  

madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.


For the same reason there's a huge memorial with a big stone, crosses, chalk messages written ON the road, candles, stuffed animals, clothing, and all sorts of other knicknacks on the side of the road on one of my job commutes, rather than in a farking cemetery where it belongs. I'm pretty sure the body's not on the side of the road. But people, for some reason, have chosen to memorialize the person sans corpse in that spot of the road where they died.

Since Nat doesn't have a spot on the side of the road, they put her marker and memorial in a cemetery at least. And it's still covered in stuff.
 
2021-07-12 11:49:42 AM  
Note: Nat's cemetery bears a strong resemblance to the one her mother is buried in.
 
2021-07-12 12:11:05 PM  

Kris_Romm: Burra: On the one hand she doesn't get recognied by anyone in her own movie, the in-universe public gives no farks about her. On the other, I don't know why they're positioning Tony's funeral as a public one in the article as some sort of defence - only the heroes were there.

I know the movie was already long and of course it happened off screen, but what she did was a big enough deal I think they probably should have done something on screen.

One line of dialogue to indicate the service is for multiple people.  Or one line of dialogue saying it's a shame she didn't want a service. Or several other possible solutions under 30 seconds.


Endgame was so expensive that 30 seconds cost $1.96 million.

I thought the scene with Wanda and Clint by themselves by the lake was acknowledgement of the deaths of Pietro, Vision and Wanda.

/Yes, I did the math.
 
2021-07-12 12:31:50 PM  

kibbled: Kris_Romm: Burra: On the one hand she doesn't get recognied by anyone in her own movie, the in-universe public gives no farks about her. On the other, I don't know why they're positioning Tony's funeral as a public one in the article as some sort of defence - only the heroes were there.

I know the movie was already long and of course it happened off screen, but what she did was a big enough deal I think they probably should have done something on screen.

One line of dialogue to indicate the service is for multiple people.  Or one line of dialogue saying it's a shame she didn't want a service. Or several other possible solutions under 30 seconds.

Endgame was so expensive that 30 seconds cost $1.96 million.

I thought the scene with Wanda and Clint by themselves by the lake was acknowledgement of the deaths of Pietro, Vision and Wanda.

/Yes, I did the math.


not pietro. Neither Wanda nor Clint mention him lmao
 
2021-07-12 12:32:31 PM  

WilderKWight: madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.

For the same reason there's a huge memorial with a big stone, crosses, chalk messages written ON the road, candles, stuffed animals, clothing, and all sorts of other knicknacks on the side of the road on one of my job commutes, rather than in a farking cemetery where it belongs. I'm pretty sure the body's not on the side of the road. But people, for some reason, have chosen to memorialize the person sans corpse in that spot of the road where they died.

Since Nat doesn't have a spot on the side of the road, they put her marker and memorial in a cemetery at least. And it's still covered in stuff.


But this isn't a memorial. Memorials are accessible. This is just a grave marker in a generic cemetery. She isn't buried next to anyone in particular, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
2021-07-12 12:47:11 PM  
Guys, I'm starting to think they're just making this up as they go.
 
2021-07-12 1:02:08 PM  

skyotter: Guys, I'm starting to think they're just making this up as they go.


There is literally no other way in which to make things up.
 
2021-07-12 1:09:11 PM  

madgonad: WilderKWight: madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.

For the same reason there's a huge memorial with a big stone, crosses, chalk messages written ON the road, candles, stuffed animals, clothing, and all sorts of other knicknacks on the side of the road on one of my job commutes, rather than in a farking cemetery where it belongs. I'm pretty sure the body's not on the side of the road. But people, for some reason, have chosen to memorialize the person sans corpse in that spot of the road where they died.

Since Nat doesn't have a spot on the side of the road, they put her marker and memorial in a cemetery at least. And it's still covered in stuff.

But this isn't a memorial. Memorials are accessible. This is just a grave marker in a generic cemetery. She isn't buried next to anyone in particular, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.


There are people who will have a burial of a casket even without a body.

Or someone may have went back and collected her body after Thanos was defeated. They had a spaceship after all.

But in the end the details don't matter. Simple as that.
 
2021-07-12 1:09:47 PM  

madgonad: WilderKWight: madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.

For the same reason there's a huge memorial with a big stone, crosses, chalk messages written ON the road, candles, stuffed animals, clothing, and all sorts of other knicknacks on the side of the road on one of my job commutes, rather than in a farking cemetery where it belongs. I'm pretty sure the body's not on the side of the road. But people, for some reason, have chosen to memorialize the person sans corpse in that spot of the road where they died.

Since Nat doesn't have a spot on the side of the road, they put her marker and memorial in a cemetery at least. And it's still covered in stuff.

But this isn't a memorial. Memorials are accessible. This is just a grave marker in a generic cemetery. She isn't buried next to anyone in particular, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.


what do you think a memorial is? because guess what? a headstone is one.
 
2021-07-12 1:27:02 PM  

replacementcool: what do you think a memorial is? because guess what? a headstone is one.


Memorials aren't tucked away into the rows of a cemetery. They are usually not in cemeteries at all and when they are they are in central locations. Someone above mentioned the Cenotaph in London. BW has small grave marker - which might have made sense if it was next to a relative. However it was just a small marker that nobody would notice.

I know that you are a fanboi that will defend any stupid thing that Marvel does, but having a grave marker when there is no body or family connection doesn't make any sense. Some random person decided to buy a cemetery plot and have a marker set there. Even the actress hasn't been paying attention to the movies. She said in the article that her body would be buried in some random quiet cemetery - but her body never came back.

If you want to make any sense she would have been buried back in 1945 where Rogers brought her body back to Earth with him. That would have been a hell of scene. Finding her 75 year old grave.
 
2021-07-12 1:36:29 PM  

madgonad: WilderKWight: madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.

For the same reason there's a huge memorial with a big stone, crosses, chalk messages written ON the road, candles, stuffed animals, clothing, and all sorts of other knicknacks on the side of the road on one of my job commutes, rather than in a farking cemetery where it belongs. I'm pretty sure the body's not on the side of the road. But people, for some reason, have chosen to memorialize the person sans corpse in that spot of the road where they died.

Since Nat doesn't have a spot on the side of the road, they put her marker and memorial in a cemetery at least. And it's still covered in stuff.

But this isn't a memorial. Memorials are accessible. This is just a grave marker in a generic cemetery. She isn't buried next to anyone in particular, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.


I disagree, I think it makes perfect sense.  They buried her in Ohio because the movie made clear that the 3 years under cover there was the happiest time of her life.  Sometimes people choose to put a person's memorial in a place that was special/significant to them, this was one of those times.  They also chose a site that mirrored her biological mother's gravesite as closely as possible, another way to make it special for her.
 
2021-07-12 1:38:03 PM  

madgonad: replacementcool: what do you think a memorial is? because guess what? a headstone is one.

Memorials aren't tucked away into the rows of a cemetery. They are usually not in cemeteries at all and when they are they are in central locations. Someone above mentioned the Cenotaph in London. BW has small grave marker - which might have made sense if it was next to a relative. However it was just a small marker that nobody would notice.

I know that you are a fanboi that will defend any stupid thing that Marvel does, but having a grave marker when there is no body or family connection doesn't make any sense. Some random person decided to buy a cemetery plot and have a marker set there. Even the actress hasn't been paying attention to the movies. She said in the article that her body would be buried in some random quiet cemetery - but her body never came back.

If you want to make any sense she would have been buried back in 1945 where Rogers brought her body back to Earth with him. That would have been a hell of scene. Finding her 75 year old grave.


Steve would definitely grow a mustache to go order a headstone that reads 1985-20(whatever the snap happened).

I want to see this scene so badly now. Have Yelena visiting an old weathered grave and let the nerds figure out why it's so old. Then give us Cap Returna the Stones as <4 minute mini-series as mid-credit scenes.

Just like multipart features in comic books used to work. Might not care about Eternals but, hey, at least here's Cap at the end, type of thing.
 
2021-07-12 1:48:33 PM  

Ishkur: They did, in a way. I don't think anyone knew her as well as Tony (if at all) because she was a spy working for secret organizations not a big public media mogul/billionaire/playboy/philanthropi​st/genius, so she wouldn't have gotten the big sendoff that Tony got, but Clint and Wanda did have a moment in the end there. They mourned her in their own way.

Steve Rogers wasn't even at Tony's funeral, how come no one brings that up?


Because everyone and their mother saw Steve Rogers at Tony's funeral. Except you, which is kinda weird. I mean how could you miss him?

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2021-07-12 1:55:00 PM  

LL316: Kris_Romm: It's bad writing though if you have to explain it after the movie is over. In this case, apparently years after.

She only had to explain it because very, very dumb people whined about it enough.


This.  Some folks need to realize that they can't show absolutely everything due to runtime and narrative flow.  You really want to avoid your movie finishing like "Return of the King" with five or six endings and feeling incredibly awkward because the audience has no idea if that's the last fade to black or there are another three scenes coming.

From a screenwriting perspective, I think it was the right choice to end on Tony Stark's funeral.  The movie had already given the audience their moment of mourning for Natasha after she went over the cliff, emotionally we were with Tony Stark and his death at the end.  So I'm not sure how well it would have worked to pull Black Widow's death back into frame at the end alongside Tony's.
 
2021-07-12 2:01:00 PM  

TelemonianAjax: madgonad: replacementcool: what do you think a memorial is? because guess what? a headstone is one.

Memorials aren't tucked away into the rows of a cemetery. They are usually not in cemeteries at all and when they are they are in central locations. Someone above mentioned the Cenotaph in London. BW has small grave marker - which might have made sense if it was next to a relative. However it was just a small marker that nobody would notice.

I know that you are a fanboi that will defend any stupid thing that Marvel does, but having a grave marker when there is no body or family connection doesn't make any sense. Some random person decided to buy a cemetery plot and have a marker set there. Even the actress hasn't been paying attention to the movies. She said in the article that her body would be buried in some random quiet cemetery - but her body never came back.

If you want to make any sense she would have been buried back in 1945 where Rogers brought her body back to Earth with him. That would have been a hell of scene. Finding her 75 year old grave.

Steve would definitely grow a mustache to go order a headstone that reads 1985-20(whatever the snap happened).

I want to see this scene so badly now. Have Yelena visiting an old weathered grave and let the nerds figure out why it's so old. Then give us Cap Returna the Stones as <4 minute mini-series as mid-credit scenes.

Just like multipart features in comic books used to work. Might not care about Eternals but, hey, at least here's Cap at the end, type of thing.


They could have had a lot of 'fun' with it. Could even have left some sign that BW had even visited her own grave. Why do you think she ran everything between the snaps?
 
2021-07-12 2:39:43 PM  

Michael J Faux: skyotter: Guys, I'm starting to think they're just making this up as they go.

There is literally no other way in which to make things up.


You can make things up very carefully during a scheduled planning session.

'As you go' means you're not taking time for overall planning and just dealing with each new issue as it becomes apparent.
 
2021-07-12 2:51:01 PM  

browneye: Ishkur: They did, in a way. I don't think anyone knew her as well as Tony (if at all) because she was a spy working for secret organizations not a big public media mogul/billionaire/playboy/philanthropi​st/genius, so she wouldn't have gotten the big sendoff that Tony got, but Clint and Wanda did have a moment in the end there. They mourned her in their own way.

Steve Rogers wasn't even at Tony's funeral, how come no one brings that up?

Because everyone and their mother saw Steve Rogers at Tony's funeral. Except you, which is kinda weird. I mean how could you miss him?

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You need to read the whole thread before you embarrass yourself like this.
 
2021-07-12 3:33:18 PM  

madgonad: WilderKWight: madgonad: Why is there a gravesite? The body was never retrieved. Hawkeye came back alone.

For the same reason there's a huge memorial with a big stone, crosses, chalk messages written ON the road, candles, stuffed animals, clothing, and all sorts of other knicknacks on the side of the road on one of my job commutes, rather than in a farking cemetery where it belongs. I'm pretty sure the body's not on the side of the road. But people, for some reason, have chosen to memorialize the person sans corpse in that spot of the road where they died.

Since Nat doesn't have a spot on the side of the road, they put her marker and memorial in a cemetery at least. And it's still covered in stuff.

But this isn't a memorial. Memorials are accessible. This is just a grave marker in a generic cemetery. She isn't buried next to anyone in particular, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.


I just assumed she was buried either in Ohio, near where she was undercover for those 3 years, or a cemetery where Clint's relatives are buried & he and his family plan to be.
 
2021-07-12 3:36:10 PM  

Ishkur: browneye: Ishkur: They did, in a way. I don't think anyone knew her as well as Tony (if at all) because she was a spy working for secret organizations not a big public media mogul/billionaire/playboy/philanthropi​st/genius, so she wouldn't have gotten the big sendoff that Tony got, but Clint and Wanda did have a moment in the end there. They mourned her in their own way.

Steve Rogers wasn't even at Tony's funeral, how come no one brings that up?

Because everyone and their mother saw Steve Rogers at Tony's funeral. Except you, which is kinda weird. I mean how could you miss him?

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You need to read the whole thread before you embarrass yourself like this.


So what is it that I so obviously missed?
 
2021-07-12 3:40:45 PM  

browneye: So what is it that I so obviously missed?


Where I already stood corrected.
 
2021-07-12 3:46:28 PM  
I didn't need TFA explanation, I thought that was all pretty obvious. But I guess some folks just need everything spelled out.

The BW movie itself I thought was very good. I'd put it in the upper tier of MCU movies. It wasn't quite as good as, for instance, Winter Soldier or Infinity War, but it was a lot better than Captain Marvel which was just "OK" IMHO and a lot closer  in quality to WS and IW than Captain Marvel. BW wasn't just OK, I thought it was very good. I thought its issues were very minor in the grand scheme of things. Overall I'd give it an A, for a letter grade.

Going in my wife and I were just hoping it wouldn't turn out to be another huge disappointment like WW1984, and wee were pleasantly surprised to find it was not only much better than that, but actually one of the better MCU movies in general. I definitely recommend.
 
2021-07-12 3:53:30 PM  
Taskmaster fans have been pretty quiet this week.
 
2021-07-12 3:55:13 PM  

Ishkur: browneye: So what is it that I so obviously missed?

Where I already stood corrected.


Okay.....whatever.
 
2021-07-12 3:57:51 PM  
 
2021-07-12 4:05:46 PM  

browneye: skyotter: Taskmaster fans have been pretty quiet this week.

Oooh no they haven't:

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a369​95335/black-widow-taskmaster-explained​-dreykov/

https://www.themarysue.com/black-widow​-taskmaster-disappointment/


Taskmaster came on strong in the movie, and while the movie overall I thought was great, I'd agree TM ended kinda "meh". I don't want to give anything away (so anybody who hasn't seen it can stop reading now to avoid spoilers which might leak through my cautious wording), but I thought TM's big reveal at the end was pretty cliche. I'd have been fine with it just being someone new/random.

OK, can't avoid them now, it's full on SPOILERS territory here on out:

But I did actually like it was a woman. Rounding out the MCU villains list with a female villain doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
 
2021-07-12 4:05:56 PM  
Because in-universe no member of the public knows who she is, that's her entire farking character.  Literally her only two scripted character traits (at least prior to her solo movie, which I haven't seen yet) are "secret" and "agent", jesus farking Christ the Disney native marketing team is farking stupid sometimes.

Like... it's a major goddamned plot point that she's the diametric opposite of a public figure and barely even has a trackable legal identity on multiple occasions: it's why she was the person who did most of the interacting with people and showing her face where security cameras could see them in the second Captain America movie, etc.

Watch your own farking movies, random soulless marketing executive who keeps releasing these press releases for distribution.
 
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