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2021-07-11 2:40:19 AM  
Milky, and I'm back
My ace in the hole was this brand new track
I'ma slow it up and speed it up, and now you're gonna eat it up
Listen to the funky beat, my tongue is gonna beat it up
I did it, but the devil didn't make me
I did it for the suckers who tried to shake and bake me
Proving a point that I'm a serious joint
You can roll me up and puff me, and then I'll anoint
Your head with oil--lots of oil
Make it run like water, watch it boil
'Cause I made 'em play it, made 'em say it
Made 'em okay it, made 'em obey it---HUH
Prince of the growl is on the prowl
How You Like Me Now punk? You living foul
Here's what my game is, kill is what my aim is
A washed up rapper needs a wash up, my name is--
 
2021-07-11 4:37:10 AM  
Because it's still unsolved?
 
2021-07-11 5:05:07 AM  
The Vorlons found him.

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2021-07-11 7:14:53 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Because it's still unsolved?


Exactly. People love unsolved mysteries, and this one likely never will be solved. Happened too long ago.
 
2021-07-11 7:22:53 AM  
Spent way too long trying to find a screen grab of that scene from Brooklyn 99 where Terry is looped out for his vasectomy and starts confessing to murders, so please fellow Farkers just use your imaginations to picture Terry confessing to the Jack Ripper killings while stoned.
 
2021-07-11 7:39:48 AM  
Because Terry the Mildly Rude Serial Bumper Into People Causing No Real Harm doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
 
2021-07-11 8:17:51 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Because it's still unsolved?


Or it was solved, but evolved someone that was a royal?
 
2021-07-11 8:21:30 AM  
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"Name? Shropshire slasher , occupation? Shropshire slasher"
 
2021-07-11 8:28:37 AM  
Grooverider - Where's Jack The Ripper?
Youtube yD44jqO7K2M
 
2021-07-11 8:30:27 AM  

baltimoreblonde: GreatGlavinsGhost: Because it's still unsolved?

Exactly. People love unsolved mysteries, and this one likely never will be solved. Happened too long ago.


Plus British people really love murder.
 
2021-07-11 8:35:25 AM  

BMFPitt: baltimoreblonde: GreatGlavinsGhost: Because it's still unsolved?

Exactly. People love unsolved mysteries, and this one likely never will be solved. Happened too long ago.

Plus British people really love murder.


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2021-07-11 8:36:28 AM  

baltimoreblonde: GreatGlavinsGhost: Because it's still unsolved?

Exactly. People love unsolved mysteries, and this one likely never will be solved. Happened too long ago.


Yep - barring someone discovering some seriously confessional documentation, which would have to be proven genuine 14 ways to Thursday, there's no way at this point.  That's why documentarians love it, you can write/make a show about it and have pretty much any theory you want to.  As long as it's not directly factually disproved with what we already know, who can say it's wrong?   And you can just keep on doing that.  See also the Mary Celeste - exact same gravy train going there if slightly less popular
 
2021-07-11 8:42:08 AM  
Because most serial killers are boring by comparison. They don't put the bodies of the people they kill on display and they don't write letters to the press. That is why all these years later the Zodiac and Jack the Ripper still have people interested. And it is why so many police procedurals had serial killer plots where the killer was like a Batman villain. Because drifter who kills and bids homeless people and sex workers isn't as exciting.
 
2021-07-11 9:11:01 AM  
Because everyone wants to kill large numbers of people and get away with it?

/tho not me, I can tell you
 
2021-07-11 9:31:21 AM  
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Purity of Essence
 
2021-07-11 10:17:08 AM  
Read this, best book on JTR there is.
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Sugdens book is basically the only place to start. He reevaluated all the evidence using the original sources etc & found a bunch of things wrong that had been constantly repeated as fact since the 1920s.

Having read about JTR for years, I've always thought there's a few things that really grab you.
One, it's late Victorian, with all the low/modern mixed tech that implies. Fingerprints were just about to be used, but they still thought photographing dead persons eyes showed a picture of the killer. Trying to use bloodhounds to track the killer, while thinking the killer must be an excessive masturbator because he's obviously insane. Immigrant anti Semitism fueling fears of mass riots, fears of using the police as an anti-demonstrator for strikebreaking. And of course ignoring grinding poverty & addiction because of the (still) omnipresent idea that most poor people are morally weak and thus deserving of their fate.

Two: there are some clues, but none of them led to any connection. Some were basically ignored or even destroyed because of stupid mistakes. They tried photographing an almost certainly authentic written message on a wall from Jack (next to a direct piece of evidence to a murder done an hour previously) but it took too long to get the equipment so it was simply written down & physically erased from the scene.

Finally this is a serial killer case. Serial killers weren't known as a thing, until, what, the 1960s-70s? All detective tools in 1888 involve either a direct witness, a close connections to the victim, or material gain. Hell, that's the method used in 2021. Serial killers don't really have those. To them, a random, violent crime meant the killer was literally a raving lunatic which is why they were obsessed with checking asylum inmates. They couldn't imagine a marginal, random joe, living and working in whitechapel, slowly picking & killing prostitutes opportunistically late at night & then going about his business. We have trouble catching them in 2021 for the same reasons. Hell, the biggest tools in terms of physical evidence are extremely recent: omnipresent cameras & DNA testing.
 
2021-07-11 10:46:31 AM  
Kids In The Hall - Life As A Mass Murderer
Youtube R02XR4EwV0I
 
2021-07-11 10:48:41 AM  
Because of little ditties like this that he supposedly sent to Scotland Yard:

I'm not a butcher; I'm not a Yid, nor yet a foreign skipper, but I'm your very own light-hearted friend.
Yours Truly,
Jack the Ripper
 
2021-07-11 11:13:50 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: Read this, best book on JTR there is.
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Sugdens book is basically the only place to start. He reevaluated all the evidence using the original sources etc & found a bunch of things wrong that had been constantly repeated as fact since the 1920s.

Having read about JTR for years, I've always thought there's a few things that really grab you.
One, it's late Victorian, with all the low/modern mixed tech that implies. Fingerprints were just about to be used, but they still thought photographing dead persons eyes showed a picture of the killer. Trying to use bloodhounds to track the killer, while thinking the killer must be an excessive masturbator because he's obviously insane. Immigrant anti Semitism fueling fears of mass riots, fears of using the police as an anti-demonstrator for strikebreaking. And of course ignoring grinding poverty & addiction because of the (still) omnipresent idea that most poor people are morally weak and thus deserving of their fate.

Two: there are some clues, but none of them led to any connection. Some were basically ignored or even destroyed because of stupid mistakes. They tried photographing an almost certainly authentic written message on a wall from Jack (next to a direct piece of evidence to a murder done an hour previously) but it took too long to get the equipment so it was simply written down & physically erased from the scene.

Finally this is a serial killer case. Serial killers weren't known as a thing, until, what, the 1960s-70s? All detective tools in 1888 involve either a direct witness, a close connections to the victim, or material gain. Hell, that's the method used in 2021. Serial killers don't really have those. To them, a random, violent crime meant the killer was literally a raving lunatic which is why they were obsessed with checking asylum inmates. They couldn't imagine a marginal, random joe, living and working in whitechapel, slowly picking & killing prostitutes opportunistically lat ...


I'm not into the various theories much, but I always found the idea that Lewis Carroll (a/k/a Charles Dodgson) was Jack was kinda interesting. The idea that an uber smart mathematician/logician with an opium problem and fascination with photographing naked children (which apparently wasn't considered at all weird at the time), who by all accounts was probably in love with his friends daughter and incapable of normal relationships as EXACTLY the kind of dude with issues that Jack could be. As you seem to be well into JTR stuff, what do you make of that theory?
 
2021-07-11 11:16:05 AM  
Because his theme song was so darn catchy?

Screaming Lord Sutch - Jack The Ripper (live 1964)
Youtube c2ZsWENob1s
 
2021-07-11 12:42:42 PM  

kyuzokai: I'm not into the various theories much, but I always found the idea that Lewis Carroll (a/k/a Charles Dodgson) was Jack was kinda interesting. The idea that an uber smart mathematician/logician with an opium problem and fascination with photographing naked children (which apparently wasn't considered at all weird at the time), who by all accounts was probably in love with his friends daughter and incapable of normal relationships as EXACTLY the kind of dude with issues that Jack could be. As you seem to be well into JTR stuff, what do you make of that theory?


I think all the celebrity JTR stuff is nonsense. He was almost certainly a local, living by himself in Whitechapel, probably regularly employed. He probably only stopped killing because he died, moved away or was caught for an unrelated crime -- just like almost every serial killer they catch. All victims were in Whitechapel except # 4  - thats because when killed #3 he was interrupted & immediately fled to London proper & killed #4. He then walks *back* into Whitechapel, back home. We know this because he left a piece of bloody cloth matched to # 4 in an area between London & WC, which was found an hour or so later. Victims were also all killed in areas routinely used by prostitutes in spots out of sight, implying he knew the area well.

His pattern was to strangle the victim by hand, then severely cut their throats down to the bone. He then (except for # 3) slit them open & deftly remove some organs, keeping some. This were cleanly done by someone who knew how to do it without hacking, which means someone with medical training but could mean a butcher or slaughterer. There are many slaughterhouses in and near Whitechapel and slaughterers (with their blood stained aprons) were a common sight walking home from work, especially in the early morning as shifts ended -- which is also when the murders were done. If so, Jack's bloody clothes wouldn't have even been noticed.

After killing #4 the entire area was in an uproar with everyone was alerted & watchful. So he waited a few weeks, found a prostitute with her own private room. He had hours undisturbed in a private room to indulge himself. Some of #5s organs were missing - which means he took them. If you want nightmares, google up the pictures of Mary Kelly, his last victim. It's truly horrifying, and shows he wasn't just "some killer". Think John Wayne Gacy, Albert Fish, etc, literally butchering people and taking trophies, possible eating parts.

Also, while the 2 "Dear Boss" letters (where we get the name Jack) are almost certainly fakes, the "From Hell" letter is different, as it actually included a part of kidney and mentions eating the other parts. The letter is semi literate (most words misspelled) which seems to point to someone semi literate enough for regular work.
 
2021-07-11 1:23:12 PM  

Thudfark: Because Terry the Mildly Rude Serial Bumper Into People Causing No Real Harm doesn't have quite the same ring to it.


This is true.
 
2021-07-11 1:26:26 PM  

Thudfark: Because Terry the Mildly Rude Serial Bumper Into People Causing No Real Harm doesn't have quite the same ring to it.


Could be NSFW and it's kinda dumb:

The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon by Richard Gale
Youtube 9VDvgL58h_Y
 
2021-07-11 1:52:48 PM  
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2021-07-11 2:03:03 PM  
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2021-07-11 3:53:16 PM  
A few years ago, it was reported in the press that someone had purchased a scarf or shawl at auction which was said to belong to one of JTR's victims and it was claimed that it contained a smear of what was identified as semen.  The new owner of the scarf/shawl theorized that the semen was from the real JTR and set about to have it analyzed for DNA. As is not uncommon, I never found a follow-up to the story in the press, however; at the time I remember thinking that if there was even a grain of truth to the claim that JTR should be renamed (wait for it...) "Jack the Dripper".
 
2021-07-11 7:56:49 PM  
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"Just send me some hands! Anybody! Jack the Ripper! Anybody who's good with a knife!"
 
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